The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Damian Lillard, LeBron James

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

Doug claims the Damian Lillard isn't playing like a superstar in the NBA, in spite of winning MVP at the NBA All-Star Game. Dan Dakich of Outkick joins the show to discuss the big stories in college basketball, including Caitlin Clark's continued ascendance to greatness. Doug also breaks down the absurd rumors of Lebron James being courted by the Golden State Warriors. #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making it as part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd on a Monday, a President's Day Monday. That's always fun. Always, always fun. Got a great show for you.

Well, let's not oversell it. We got a really good show for you. You know, I thought this weekend was the perfect embodiment of the difference between having a skill and being a player. Okay. So stick me with me for a second here. Let me try and explain. So Jason Stewart is my producer. He's with me today.

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So he was asking me, like, wow, Matt McClung wins the dunk contest in the G League. Like, you mean to tell me he can't make any NBA teams? And he's played a little bit in the NBA, but the answer is no. No, no, he can't. You don't think they'd love to have Matt McClung in the NBA if he could help them win basketball games?

Like, I don't know if he sells a thousand seats, but he might sell 10. He doesn't cost very much. He'd be making the league minimum. But there isn't a coach right now who thinks he can help me win basketball games. So there's a difference between winning a slam dunk contest and even the athleticism it takes to win the slam-down contest and actually having an impact on winning and losing a basketball game.

Now that's on the lower end of the scale. On the high end of the scale, I give you Damien Lillard. I think I didn't stick around to watch, but I saw something on social media. Was he the games MVP? Jay Stu, is that right? Was he the games MVP? Yeah, that's confirmed.

He was the game MVP. So he wins the three-point contest, and he wins the NBA All-Star Game MVP. MVP. And this season is a disaster in Milwaukee. Because people think that one plus one equals two. You take Janice and Damien Lillard and Damian Lillard is viewed as this otherworldly star. And you put an MVP who's been a finals MVP with an otherworldly star shooter. and you're like, man, shooter, Janice, oh my God, one plus one equals two.

That two is the second championship for the bucks. That's not how basketball works. And the perfect example of that is Damien Lillard. He's a great shooter. Unbelievable shooter. But he should have kept his ass in Portland, where people didn't realize all the flaws in how he does what he does and how hard it is to work with somebody else.

And look, some of this. not his fault because the Milwaukee bucks were built and wired as a hey we're going to stop you and play great defense and score just enough points to beat you right and that's and you've

what they've done is it's it's like if you you know styles of houses right it's like you brought in a you brought in somebody who's a designer who's like I'm used to work with like Tuscany style homes and it's like the Milwaukee bucks are basically

an old farmhouse style like a new age modern farmhouse style it doesn't work together but they hired doc rivers and they're three and seven here going into the all-star break they're just not great mojo and lillard shows like he's just as good if not better shooter than he's ever been and he's gotten a pass forever because in addition to playing in portland he's really good rap like he's a very very good he's got all the cred and forever there were calls like get him out of Portland put him on a championship now he's on championship

caliber team what what's required in winning basketball games is not required in being a three point shooting specialist Damien Lillard is getting exposed because what's asked of you to win a championship is you got to share the ball and defend

and buy into a system where you're not the best player and everyone thinks you can translate, oh, you just take a guy here. It's like fantasy sports. You take a guy here and he put his stats there and oh my God, look, we're better. Don't work that way. Don't work that way. Just like Matt McClung can't actually stick in the NBA because it's really, really hard. And the athleticism and skill that it takes to be the best dunker who participates in dunk contests over the past two years, those aren't required skill sets in being an NBA basketball player. The same thing would be the case with Damien Lillard at the top of the scale in terms of what's required in being a championship level basketball player.

Like, Steph is an equally or better shooter. Staff is a better passer. Staff has given more effort on defense and the team was constructed around him, you know, to have other ball handlers because he doesn't always like to handle it. And when they've been great is when they built a great defensive team around him. It's so interesting, right? Like Damien Lillard, wasn't he on the 75th anniversary team as one of the 75 best players in the NBA? Well, he's not.

If I put you on a championship team and the team is worse than the point guard that had before you, how can you, it feels like he's going to go down as this generation's, Dominique Wilkins, unbelievable talent. And for Lillard, I think unbelievable work ethic. Like he has refined his skill to just incredibly efficient shooter.

and I mean honestly that sidestep jump shot that's going to be called the Lillard. Just like the stepback is now called this like the step back. Like Steph Curry. It used to be called the Kiki because Kiki Vandeway was really the first player to shoot a step back jump shot. Used to be called a Kiki move. Then it now it's the Steph Curry. You have the Rondo, which is you drive in, you extend the ball with your inside hand and then bring it back. and then play off two feet.

That's a Rondo. You're going to have a Damon Lillard, that sidestep jump shot is Damon Lillard. So he has the work ethic on his craft. He just doesn't know how to elevate teammates. Doesn't play championship defense. Probably at this point in his career, maybe there's a limitation on what he can do

championship defense level. And I feel like a lot of people got suckered. I got suckered. Best player on a bad team does not mean great player. the best of the best are able to work with others in this sport it's not tennis right in tennis if you're great in singles probably not doesn't mean you have to be great in doubles and we don't hold against you in basketball you got to work with those four other guys and you are judged by what your team achieves and whatever excuses we made and some were explanations for how portland

finished i mean listen he's never better than step when they faced off with in the playoffs ever didn't happen your stage with a surrounded by another superstar and the team is worse not better that's not the stuff of the superstar but we give him a pass because he wins three point shooting contest he's a great dude uh he's a rap star he's got a cool sneaker he's just got a good vibe about him he's a good story all those things are true but please don't put him in NBA superstar category because superstars make everybody around them better that's the number one thing you have to do the inspired all-electric EQE sedan from Mercedes-Benz with hundreds of customizable comfort settings inside the cabin.

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Doug, this is an all-timer. This is kind of a one-off. I don't know if we've ever heard a head coach go off on his own team during a season like yesterday. St. John's lost to Seton Hall. Obviously, Bill Winnington did not come through that door for St. John's. And Rick Patino had this to say after the game. We are so non-athletic. that we can't guard anybody without fouling.

I don't think they move well laterally. I don't think they're going to pick it up in the next week. I think they're slow laterally. I mean, Sean Conway gives you everything he can. He's slow laterally. About five guys are slow laterally. Even the Celtics when we lost, I've enjoyed every minute being the Boston Celtic coach.

I didn't like the fact that we lost in that following year, but this has been the most unenjoyable experience I've had since I've been coaching. Do you have any second thoughts of taking this job? No, not at all. It's not St. John's my team. I think they're very respectful. They hear, but they don't listen. It's taken me a month to get them to throw bounce passes.

Actually, two months to throw bounce passes. Just thinking of getting ready for Georgetown, because George Young could definitely beat us. I'm not even thinking in the future at all. I'm just thinking of the next game and the next game and the next game and that's it. Yeah, I mean, he went on to say, like, look, we threw this team together late. We all out of the portal. took some chances

but it is more here's the honest takeaway well Rick can get away with this because he's Rick Petino he's arguably the greatest modern day coach ever I think about it he was

when he came into the NBA with the New York Knicks as a coach he embraced the three point shot before anybody else did right he was tanking for Tim Duncan for anybody else was tanking for anybody.

He's been ahead of a lot of different things. And he's been successful everywhere he's been. So he can get away with it. But I also think there's an element to where we all know they're really professionals, right? They're all getting paid. And so they're not they're no longer treated as kids. Oh, you know, you can't criticize kids. Like,

you want to be employees. Here's what happens when you have a job. What else? Caitlin Clark, to her credit, has put women's basketball on the map, I think like ever before. I want to say it made it into the first segment of Collins show last week. Caitlin Clark breaking the all-time record. And then we had a weekend filled with commentary,

beginning with Jay Williams from ESPN, the former Duke player. I think she is a Stefan Curry of Women's College basketball. I think she has changed the dynamics of the way the game is played. I think the way she plays, the pizzazz is that she's probably the most of the most of the most prolific score of the game of basketball has ever seen. I am unwilling, and maybe it's more the Kobe mentorship around me, to say that she is great yet. I think she is the most prolific score of the game has ever seen.

I hold great for the levels of immortality or the pantheon to when you win championships. I'm just, that's just me. So Diane Tarasi, when you win three consecutive championships, two-time national player of the year, it has to culminate with the chip. It has to. I mean, Brianna Stewart, if we're talking about goat legends of the game, He's won four chips. Four chips, multiple national players of the year.

So I'm not saying that she's not at a high, high, high level, but for it to go to the states of immortality, in my opinion, it has to culminate with your team winning a champion. What do you think, Doug, do you be considered great? You need to win a championship. No, not in college athletics, no. I mean, a couple things here. First of all, he's conflating great with,

he never said greatest of all time. Like, if you want to argue she's not the greatest player of all time, like, we can have that. I would, I would, I would agree with him. But he's misusing Pantheon. And, and, okay, so you have to win a championship. He mentioned two women who played at Yukon, with some of the most dominant rosters that were.

She got to the finals with Iowa. Actually, her path is kind of similar to Larry Bird. and by the way if what did he say what was that his thing at first if you

you know it's like talking about historic you know and and things that will last yeah

immortality he said isn't being the all time leading the score immortality isn't that what they that's why you have a record

a record that where you're the best that's immortality that's what everybody's shooting for so I do feel like a little bit like this is

Billy Madison and now I'm the principal and I have to apologize because we're all dumber for what we just heard like Jay you've been on first take way too long arguing with Stephen A. Smith about NBA players it's college athletics

she's made Iowa the hottest show on earth. Hey? She is a Steph Curry-like player. Hold on. If Steph Curry didn't play, wasn't an all-time great in the NBA. Was he an all-time great college player?

Yes. Did he win a championship? No. He didn't even get to a Final Four. So she's brought attention to the game. She's brought respect to the women's game. And she's won a hell of a lot of basketball games. including last year, being South Carolina,

the number one team in the game, in the semifinals, and then lost to LSU, a far more talented team in the finals. I disagree, but it's just a misguided rant that contradicts itself several times over. I think Jay Billis put it best.

Just paraphrasing here, ESPN commentator Jay Billis, was just like, look, we could dispute who the greatest of all time is, but there's no disputing how great she is and how great she's been for the sport of basketball, not just women's, but for the sport of basketball. That all seemed to make sense. Could we talk about baseball officially since we're beyond the NFL season?

Mike Trout gave an interesting comment from his locker room over the weekend. This is the first season in quite some time that he's played without Chohay Otani. And he was asked about his future, or does he think about his future? with the team or his contract and he says, I think the easy way out would be to ask for a trade. There might be a time maybe. I really haven't thought about this, but when I sign my contract, I'm loyal. I want to win a championship here. The overall picture of winning a championship and getting into the playoffs is here.

It'll be a bigger satisfaction then than bailing out and just taking the easy way out. Can you talk some sense into Mike Trout here? Doug, and do you think he actually believes us that he doesn't quite think about his future? I can't. Look, I mean, we all say we want loyalty in sports and it will be a big thing

if they can ever win in sports. I thought if there was a time to go. I also think that there's a chance they can't trade him with that contract with his back issue, right? That's like nobody's going to take that on. So some of it might be like, well, nobody wants to take on that contract

with your back issue. Well, then I'm all in. But I also think that a certain sense of like, this is like we say with Damien Lillard. There's only 30 teams. You're king of one of them. You're making a ton of money. I don't know.

See it through. Most of us thought he would eventually be a Yankee or a Philly. But he wants to be an angel. He wants to be the guy who wins with the angels. So I don't know. Maybe we should reward loyalty nowadays since we push these athletes to go somewhere else to like save their legacy by playing for a championship on somebody else's team. And that's Jason Stewart, the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. He's a legend in Indianapolis radio. Matter of fact, so much so that he's now got a new show on an indie. Plus, he has his own show on Outkick. He's Dan Dockett, scores former head coach in college basketball, a longtime college basketball analyst.

He joins us here in The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. did you watch the All-Star game yesterday? Doug, I did not. I was too busy watching the Redbirds of Illinois State back up a win against Indiana State with a win against Evans. I have no interest. The city of Indianapolis, everybody tells me, killed it.

Did go downtown a couple times. Wonderful people, everything going good. But, Doug, it's just God awful, and I think it was you. That's when David Aldrich criticizes it, you know you've got a serious problem. The All-Star games sucks if you want to know what's true. No, it does. I watch 30 seconds, Doc.

30 seconds. And I was like, it's worse than people even said. Yeah. I'm like not running back on. It's like a pickup game where if you walk into a gym and you see a pickup game like, oh, these guys are all done. No one's going to play. No one's going to play after this game is over. That's right.

I might as well go lift in the other room. How much of this is, here's how I look at it. You know, you had Adam Silver, and he basically said the G League Ignite is going to go away. Right. But he's also critical of how we're growing the game in the United States, you know. And I think it's all related. I think it starts at the youth level. I think that allowing guys to transfer in and out whatever they want, there's no level of accountability.

Also, you know, we've, in the media especially, and the NBA, has really diminished the value of college basketball where people like yourself, like you dedicated your life, your professional life, to coaching young men from 8 to 22 years old. That's a skill that is honed and learned over years and years and years. And we've diminished it. And now the NBA is like, man, all these guys, they don't get it. They don't know how to play real ball. Like, yeah, you rushed them to the NBA.

What did you expect? When you hear all those comments, what do you think? Doug, I had a conversation yesterday with Doug Collins, actually. He was there, and we were talking about when do you protect the sport? When do you protect the sport? When do you protect the game? Why do we feel the necessity for billion-dollar industries, whether it's the NBA or college basketball,

to kiss the backside of 18 to 23-year-olds? In some cases, 16 to 23-olds. Why do we feel the obligation to do that? And when's the last time, you know, we all want this, that, or the other? All I read about is former child stars are getting trouble. I just read about another one who's up for felony. When is young and a lot a good combination? We are doing a horrible job in this country of developing basketball.

We are making everything easy. We have no accountability, but we have no structure. You know, people complain three years you had to stay in. It used to be in college basketball or whatever two years, whatever it was. You could go hardship. Well, guys learn how. how to play. Guys learn how to have a brand. Now, these guys have no idea how to play. You go to an NBA game, and a guy knows how to spot up shoot. A guy knows how to take one

dribble or another guy knows how to dribble 72 times, but actually play the game. It's insane how bad it is. The bodies aren't physically ready. Dudes don't know a damn thing about branding themselves other than being idiots on whether it's social media. You get all that when you go to Kentucky. You get all that when you go to Indiana and you stay three years. Michael Jordan got that at North Carolina, but there's no turning back because the money is so great. We have done a miserable job. We make AAU basketball such that winning, and I coached it for eight years,

and we make it such that winning was not important. You lose, so what, you go on to the next game, high school basketball, even in the great state of Indiana, we talk about Indiana being this great basketball state. Doug, you go to high school game, there's nobody there. You go to high school game, kids don't give a rats, kids leave, they don't care. It's unbelievable. I mean, this isn't me old guy yelling at it.

Cloud. This is me, as you said, a guy that studies this. Doug, it breaks my heart to see people not care and people still get rewarded because well, they can jump or they can make a basket once

in a while but have no idea how to play. Like, I'll give LeBron James credit. I will give LeBron James, now that I've watched all this, I'll give him more credit than anybody else. He didn't Kobe Bryant. They came out. They came out of high school. Think about how many guys, and I'm going back to Jim Willoughby and all this other stuff because I'm old.

Guys came out of high school, no idea how to play. Those two became not only great, all-time grades, and they knew how to play. You'd say whatever you want about LeBron James, but that dude is Magic Johnson combined with whoever else you want to combine it because he knows how to play. But they're very few and far between. It's sad. It's awful. And now you've got these entitled dummies.

Not a chance they're going to play in an All-Star game. It sucks. How do we fix it? Well, I think one of the things that you do is you stop all this transferring. If I were the commissioner of basketball, I would say you're staying in college three years before you can go to the NBA. If you want to go overseas, fine, you're staying three years. This is just what I would do. I would make it become adults to play, and I would make sure that we taught kids how to play basketball.

If I cared about the game, if I don't care about the game and I want to make money and I want to go get contracts in China, then fine. But if I care about the game, kids are going to go to college. they're going to get an education. They're going to learn how to handle. If I ever went back in a coaching, the first thing I would do would make sure every one of my players took some type of personal finance class. I would make it such that they learned to be on a team. I would say you can transfer once, but you're going to sit out a year.

I'd go back to that rule because it's the best, you know this, you did it. It's the best year of your college life. You grow physically. You get your academics in order. You learn about yourself. I would go back to all of those things. And I don't give a damn whether everybody, complained about it. It can never happen. I understand it. But we need to start

developing men, not little boys, uh, that make a lot of money and run around like John Morant with, you know, strippers and hook. How many stories you got to hear of all different kind of idiots? It just has to stop. All right. Let's, uh, let's get to the college game because there's a guy who, Rick, Rick Petino's won everywhere he's been. Uh, he takes over at St. John's and everybody, everybody thinks, like, look, he's Rick Patino. It's going to get fixed immediately. Um, take a listen. This is Petino. They lost at home yesterday. This is Petino

after the game. We are so non-athletic that we can't guard anybody without fouling. I don't think they move well laterally. I don't think they're going to pick it up in the next week. I think they're slow laterally. I mean, Sean Conway gives you everything he can. He's slow

laterally. About five guys are slow laterally. Even the Celtics when we lost, I've enjoyed every minute being the Boston Celtic coach. Didn't like the fact that we lost in that following year. But This has been the most unenjoyable experience I've had since I've been coaching. Do you have any second thoughts of taking this job? No, not at all.

It's not St. John's my team. I think they're very respectful. They hear, but they don't listen. It's taken me a month to get them to throw bounce passes. Actually, two months to throw bounce passes. Just thinking of getting ready for Georgetown because Georgetown could definitely beat us. I'm not even thinking in the future at all. I'm just thinking of the next game and the next game and the next game and that's it.

He sounds like he's really enjoying himself at St. John's. This is a flashback to 1980. You know what? I guarantee you. I bet you they beat Georgetown by a million. When you're Petino, you're sending a message to your team, and if he has the right guys, they're going to want to prove it wrong. They're going to want to prove something to him, this great coach.

If they're the wrong guys, they'll quit on him and say, well, you called me names or you said I was slow or whatever it was. So that's kind of the way I looked at it. But I feel like that was listening to John Thompson or Bob Knight or Mike Shoshowski or your guy, Eddie Sutton, back in 1982 or something. Like, wow. You're not any good. Hey, hey, man, this is a real thing. We used to, he always knew the Vegas lines.

And it didn't matter if you were a favorite or a dog. It was, it was Vegas thinks you're better than Oklahoma. They don't know how bad you are. And then if you're a dog, like you're a home dog, even Vegas thinks they're going to come in and kick your ass, right? That's what I'm saying. Amazing. Right?

Just that kind of stuff. You're not any good. Hey, my first game against Coach Knight, we won by 20. We had a 5 a.m. practice the next 6 a.m. practice. I don't want to graduate. It was a 6 a.m. practice the next day. So, you know, you guys think he made us dress in the football locker room, because if you're going to be so bad, you might as well be bad.

like the football team and you got to go dress in the football locker. So that's what it sounded like to be, Doug. It sounded like Patino from like his Providence days or early Kentucky, right? I mean, good for him. I don't beat the crap out of Georgetown and some one of those guys will have like... Yes, yes, but they're not good

and they are a team made up of all transfers. Your alma mater, my alma mater. He's historic programs. UCLA, they've got it together of late, but they've had a down season. And I know you have your own show. By the way, you watched Dan on Outkick. It's called Don't At Me.

It's every Monday, Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. Eastern time. So what do we make of the current landscape of college basketball? Well, don't bet the favorites. Doug, you're going to think I'm nuts, man. But I'm watching, I swear to God, I'm watching Princeton and Yale. And one of them's got 18 wins, one of them got 17 wins. and you know I watch Big Ten, like it's my job, and it used to be. But those two teams are better than everyone, except for three, maybe three.

Michigan State's gotten better, Purdue, and Illinois. Other than that, those two teams are better than every other Big Ten team. They're better coached. They've got better players, at least in terms of college, maybe not the size, but they got better players. I make out college basketball, look, my school stinks. I watch UCLA blowing at the end. Your school stinks. All these Blue Blood stink and these Tens.

that just have guys that want to play together and are well-coachers are going to be really good. And I am not going to be surprised if we see another, maybe not Florida Atlantic, but kind of like Florida Atlantic. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we did see Florida Atlantic. Johnny Davis is great. But Jean-El Davis, excuse me. But I think these teams, these mid-major teams that have solid bases with really good players are dynamite. I've been watching a lot of Missouri Valley because my coach or my son is at Illinois State.

and I got to tell you, this freaking, excuse me, between Bradley and Drake, you got some teams, man, you got some athletes. So I make out that I'm looking at, it's not going to be a non-power five Final Four NCAA tournament, and I swear to you. And I didn't put Cornell in there because I didn't watch it, but I swear to you, if I were on the committee, I'd go down fighting, getting both freaking Yale and Princeton in the tournament. give them a watch, you're going to be like, holy hell. No, no, no, I'm, I'm very familiar. Very familiar with both teams. But like, look, and one of the reasons those teams, those teams are so good is they have to do it old school. They can't take transfers.

Guys have to stay. You know, they stay there for four years. And so they have culture. You know, they have chemistry. They don't have to, as Rick Petino said, like, you're dealing, when you take 13 transfers or 12 transfers in one high school kid, you're taking guys that have. been coached previously and not necessarily coaching the way that you want to. And there's a reason that their other coach let them out the door.

Sometimes it's because of money. But a lot of times there's a reason guys transfer. It's not all because they wanted to go. Sometimes people wanted them to go. Let me ask you about Caitlin Clark. How would you characterize what she's doing? Greatest show in basketball. I don't care of the level.

Most fun basketball player I've watched in, you know, I'd have to, think in terms of just individual, greatest women's basketball player I've ever seen, somebody that is doing what Steph Curry did with men changed the game. Steph Curry made it okay to shoot from the logo. Steph Curry made it okay for little kids to not be

pigs while they shoot from logo, not be ball hogs, and she's doing the same thing. You're going to see little girls for generations playing like her. And that doesn't happen. I mean, you know, this, Doug, that's once in a lifetime. I mean, people are good players. You know, great players. He is different.

She is, well, I know Jay Williams doesn't think she's great, and that's about the dumbest. It's just a Jay Williams comment, so we don't even need to go any deeper than that. But she's best basketball player I've seen in the women's game, and she will be emulated, and she will absolutely have changed, excuse me, she will absolutely have changed the game because you're going to see at all levels, little girls playing just like her, and it's going to make the game a hell of a lot better. She's that good, in my opinion. Dan Dockich. Check out Don't at me. It's on Outkick every day. 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. Eastern time,

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how we believe things work. and it comes down to do we have equity in our belief. I'm talking about LeBron James. So the story was, I guess, last week, right, that the Golden State Warriors and Philadelphia 76ers called the Lakers to inquire whether or not LeBron would be attainable via trade. And DeLanker said, nah, nah. And then, of course, the story came out later in the week that said the Lakers

are going to entertain the possibility of drafting Brani because they value LeBron's happiness. Here's LeBron James on TNT yesterday when he was asked about the Warriors reported interest in acquiring him. Story that got everybody's attention last week between the Lakers and the Golden State Warriors, Golden State trying to acquire LeBron James, and how far did this go and how much did you entertain that thought?

It didn't go far at all. I actually heard about it when everybody else heard. about it. You know, obviously, you know, Charles been in the league, Kenny been in league, Shaq been in a league, and sometimes there's conversations happen behind closed doors that you don't even know about. And until I guess if it's real or not, then they'll bring

it to you, but it never even got to me. So I heard it when the report's dropped as well. Yeah, I find that hard to believe. Matter of fact, impossible to believe. Because they absolutely ran it up the flagpole. Like, you don't have somebody call about LeBron James and

that level of, hey, Steph Curry without, you have to pick up the phone and call him and go, what do you think? I mean, look, there's a realistic possibility to it where what leverage do you have with the Lakers if you're LeBron

you're a pending free agent but you really want to stay so you have a divisional Western Conference rival call, kick the tires, and oh yeah by the way

the Lakers just now happen to be letting it out that they're going to draft Brony James which was probably a likelihood anyway but I don't think they want to granted it will they'll have to buy a late second round pick which will cost them several million dollars and use that pick

to take Brony I know I don't believe him I don't believe him I think the interesting part is wouldn't the Lakers have been smart to let him go you won a championship with LeBron right you won a championship with LeBron

and you had him set the all-time scoring mark with him like those are the two things you're like all right we're good we've gotten use out of him and maybe it's just scary to think could we build around Anthony Davis you know what would that relationship be like

with Clutch if we trade away LeBron James but the the idea that LeBron can go and compete for it. I still don't think they could win a championship with Golden State, but it'd be fun to watch. It'd be really fun to watch. Kind of similarly to Milwaukee, like, you can't guard anybody. It doesn't really matter

what those guys have historically been able to do on offense. But I don't think for one second, LeBron James, he found out when Woj tweeted it. Oh my God. Woz tweeted that the Warriors called. That's a surprise to me. Let me call all of the people that

work for me or the team that I play for and find out what the real story is. Wouldn't you think if that played out the way you just described, wouldn't you think LeBron be upset? Yes. That got to 10 days after the fact and no one told him. Correct. That's what's so hard to believe.

Like it would be a lack of responsibility on his agent's part not to run by him. And it leads to the question, why does he do this? Why does he feel the need to deceive? Like it's well noted, all those, you know, memes and stuff about him lying. and Jalen Ramsey called him out for Cap'in on his TV show. Like, why in this moment did he feel the need to not divulge the truth? What's the win there? Can I offer a guess?

I guess it's Doug Gottliebun for Collins to herd. This is a guess. I've had, I've talked to several people about other things in the media. And what they've, and when they've, it's like Rick Patino. We get on to Rick Patino today. and he's like, this is a miserable experience. This guy can't, he can't move laterally. Like, none of what she's saying is not true.

But we've gotten to the point to where we badly want people to tell the truth in the media. They tell the truth and then we're critical of the truth. And I almost understand LeBron lying because even though it's obviously a lie, it's like, how much of the truth do you really want to know? Because it's really easy to go like, yeah, they called me. We talked about it. It just, I didn't want to do it. It wasn't a good fit, no disrespect.

It's very easy to tell the truth of like, but how much of the truth do you owe people? Yeah, I mean, listen, when this call happened, it was, we were a mess. You know, dudes weren't good with Darwin. We were losing a bunch of games. They call, check in. You know, I want to make sure that the Lakers are all in on me,

all in on drafting Brani. You know, all in on acquiring, you know, we're going to have cap space. I want to be able to pick who's going to be that next superstar. the only way to do that is to have some sort of control. And when they called me, I said, like, look, I'll stay, but I need to have control over who my coach is next year and who we're going to pick for that third superstar.

How much of the truth do we deserve is I think what people are thinking. And that's why LeBron tells obvious and provable lies. Godfather's his favorite movie. What's your favorite line? I don't know there's so many of them. how about A line? Just give me one that you like. What's that book that you're reading?

What's your favorite part? Ah, so many favorite parts. Like, obvious lies. But what about the truth? You know, what if when he was reading the Malcolm X book, he's like, you know, I started reading and it's really boring. It does not connect with me at all. Right?

People do think they deserve the truth. And then sometimes they get the truth. and their reaction to it is bizarre as well. It just is. But I don't know why he does this. He also said that he's not one to really receive acclaim. And so he doesn't want to do a retirement tour. Like, dude, you got the chosen one tattooed across your back.

What are you talking about? I don't really, I don't really like the acclaim thing. Like, what do you? dude you went on a show called the shop claimed that barber shop conversation you invented so you sued others then you said you're the greatest player of all time you have the chosen one across your back like what about this like are you completely obtuse to the reality of things so again the only off ramp i can think of of excuses of the excuse off ramp is people don't really want the truth. They want,

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