The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Dave Roberts joins The Herd

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

He also talks to Dodgers manager Dave Roberts about the greatness of Shohei Ohtani and the challenge of trying to win back-to-back World Series The Steelers probably won't fire Mike Tomlin even though their offense is outdatedSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two and a Friday. One of my favorite people. Dodgers, manager, Dave Roberts, is going to be stopping by. They're playing well. Now, they have dealt with a ton of injuries, a lot to the pitching staff. J. Mack, you know, I was thinking about this. As we watch these, I think it's pretty fun. The Pacers and the Knicks, Minnesota. Who knows that? I think OKC is going to go back home and win.

But to me, I know these aren't the biggest brands. And I was thinking about this this morning is two teams that get lumped together a lot, the Lakers with LeBron and the Warriors with Steph. And the reason being two West Coast teams, they often play on Christmas, iconic stars, and well-known co-stars, Luca and Jimmy Butler. But I was thinking about this yesterday. I think I was a little hard on the Warriors yesterday. They're old.

But I do think they're in a better spot than the Lakers. First of all, one has Steve Kerr, and one doesn't. I think Kerr in-series coaching is about the best coach. I mean, I think he's Phil Jackson. I think he's as good an in-game coach. And there's a lot of good ones. Pop was great. I think one has JJ Reddick, who could be really good, and one has Steve Kerr,

Advantage Warriors. The other thing is the Warriors' last two draft picks can both play and both fit in really well. Pods is a starter. it's a good draft pick and Quentin Post is a rotational guy but neither one is overwhelmed and they have a trade piece in Jonathan

Cominga. Now the Lakers have one in Austin Reeves reportedly they only want a star for him. I don't think you're getting a star for Austin Reeves. But here was Steph Curry talking about the future of the Warriors. Our contracts are all me, Raymond, Steve,

Jimmy, all two years and we want this ride to last as long as possible, but it's just about what does this team need for next year. That's all I really focused on right now. And I'm excited about it because there's clarity, although there are a lot of decisions that need to be made over the summer. Okay, I saw a story this morning. I think it was Bobby Marks, a guy of respect.

Hey, keep your eye on Brooke Lopez. I'm like, he's 37. We've already got two 35s and a 37. We don't need another. But I do think they need a big and another wing defense. and they're going to sign and trade comminga. So they're going to get a good piece for comminga. He's played really well last three games of that series when Steph was off the floor.

He just doesn't fit into that offense. Pods does. Quentin Post does. And so they've got a great coach, a great star. They got a Batman and a Robin. They've got two young guys and they have a trade piece. I think the key is getting a big, doesn't have to be a dominant big, and they've got to get a pretty high.

to me, a high-end bigger, a high-end wing piece, but they're going to have to part with Cominga, and they're going to have to part, I mean, maybe with a Moses Moody or whatever it is contractually. But Jimmy Butler talked about, he thinks the future's brighter than a lot of critics do. I still think that we have a lot of great basketball left ahead of us. I don't think this age thing is anything,

the way that everybody's taking care of their bodies. doing right. I think the potential is there. So with this full season we got coming up ahead, I think we'll be able to find out. Yeah, so I don't think the Lakers are in this good a position. I don't think they have Steve Kerr. I don't think they want to part with Austin Reeves

where the Warriors absolutely want to part with Cominga, so they'll sign and trade him. I think both Steph and Jimmy Butler are complete absolute workaholics and grinders. I think Luke could get you buckets. And I think LeBron's older than Steph. So I going forward, and so far, Mike Dunlevy, replacing Bob Myers, has done a really good job as a GM. His last two picks have been really, really good.

Both guys can play. I mean, one guy comes from the Netherlands, which doesn't have a history of a lot of great NBA guys. That's a great pick. And, you know, pods just growing in confidence. So I think the Warriors future is brighter than the Lakers. and a lot of it comes with, they have played Cominga enough to know it doesn't work here. And I think Austin Reeves is a more consistent player than Cominga. Cominga is the longer, better athlete.

But the Lakers don't want to trade with Austin Reeves, so they could get real precious on that. I mean, the Warriors know, like, we're going to move, we're going to move Caminga. It just doesn't work in this ecosystem. So, I don't know, I just, I look at the, I look at the West, and if you tell me, Kerr, Jimmy Butler, Pods Post, Steph Curry, Draymond Green, and a really legitimate B-plus player, I don't know if they're going to dominate in the West, but I will say with the NBA allowing this level of physical play, you don't have to be as pretty. And Butler's a defender, and Draymond's a defender, and Kerr's a good defensive coach,

despite being more of an offensive guy as a player. So I, you know, I think it comes down to, you know, who do they get for Kamenga? in the sign and trade. You know, listen, the league is less mobile than it was five to ten years ago, but everybody is looking to make trades. And I also think one of the things to think about is with all these teams now, overachieving, at least in the eyes of many, the Knicks, the Pacers, the T-Wolves, Denver, with all these teams sort of overachieving,

I think GMs think to themselves, if I can get like a McAil Bridges-level player, I don't need Durant. I don't need Yonis. If I can get a McAil Bridges and I have the right coach and the right star and Jalen Brunson, I can get through the conference finals. So to watch some of these lower seeds win,

I think it's really encouraging for teams that maybe like we're playing teams or won-and-done teams. It's like the necks are proving. I mean, the Pacers are, although the Pacers were underrated all year, but they're all proving it. Dave Roberts around the corner Dodgers manager. Last night, Otani did it again on Bobblehead Night. I also thought this was kind of noteworthy.

Is Dave ready to go? All right, let's bring him in one of our favorite guys, Dave Roberts, 10 years, Dodger managers, two World Series championships last five years. You know, I said earlier today that Tiger Woods, LeBron James, and Otani are the only athletes in my life that came in, hyped and have exceeded it. I think LeBron surpassing Magic Johnson and assists and Kareem in points is exceeding the hype. With Otani, it's weird to say manager coach.

What do you do when you have the greatest baseball player probably ever? Suggest things. I mean, what is it like to manage a tiger in his prime, a LeBron in his prime? I think it's one of those things that it's an interesting. question and number one is you try to stay out of the way as much as possible and not intervene that's number one but I also think that you got to just treat these guys like everyone else and I think that they really watch closely that you don't try to treat them any differently but there's different in the sense of what they earn

that right but for the most part I treat him just like anyone else but call him yeah I agree. It's just like, you know, Tiger, what he did, you know, LeBron, the expectation, and you can probably say maybe Michael, but there's not many people. And now you're talking about Shohei on a global scale. Like, and he's really the only player I've ever seen that's moved the needle with baseball. Yeah. No, it's baseball's in a good spot right now. I mean, Aaron Judge is putting up cartoon numbers. O'Tonnie, two huge brands. A lot of the best players are in the best spots. Now, you, when Otani on Bobblehead Night hits two home runs and has six RBIs,

give me a sense of the personality of the dugout. Are players amazed? Are they laughing? I mean, this kid literally on Bobblehead nights in games in which the world is watching is better. Like, what is the reaction or the chemistry like in the dugout at a night like last night? It's laughable. It really is.

I think that, you know, his bobblehead night, homers, and I would say his on-base plus slug, as OPS with the bobblehead is probably 2000. It seems like he homers every time. No, but Colin, it's unbelievable. Like any big moment, there's just, you know, it's like Michael taking the last shot, Tiger, he's going to make this putt. That doesn't always happen, but this guy, it seems like every single time

there's a big moment, a big spot. anticipation he delivers and it's just with baseball where you just can't dictate all the time it's just it's really uncanny and like i said laughable i guess is my answer what's the hardest i mean we know you've got a great roster what's the hardest part about managing a really great roster i think um understanding um obviously i think the hard is having these guys want for more, always kind of having some type of carrot, and at the end of the day, trying to find something that's bigger than them, because players are motivated by different things, whether it's celebrity, it's money, it's the Hall of Fame, but if you can get

these guys ultimately having a consistent message that it's not just about them, they will get their flowers and their notoriety. But it's about, for us, it's winning a baseball game each day and winning a championship and now potentially creating a legacy for the Dodgers. You know, it's interesting. Your guy's R&D has been great. Your analytics, you're ahead of the curve, a little like the Warriors and the NBA. It's a really smart organization, top down.

But the pitching injuries, Snell, Glass, No, it's just, it's all over baseball. Tommy John's surgeries have exploded over the last decade. And I read about this stuff, and a lot of people are saying the reason being all through baseball, it's not a Dodger issue, it's a sports issue, is that the answer to everything now is throw harder. We'll replace you in the fifth or sixth inning. And I'm just going to throw that out as a theory because it's not just the Dodgers. It's everywhere with pitching injuries. Is the problem now that the instruction of baseball is guys throw as hard as you can every pitch? Because that's one of the theories out there about the increase in pitching injuries.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. And the unfortunate thing is that it's starting in, you know, middle school, you know, kids that are 11, 12 playing travel ball. And I'm not trying to ding travel ball because I will say that the players are better than ever. But right now, we're in a culture where go as hard as you can, go as hard as you can for as long as you can. The compensation is for strikeout, swing and miss. And so if you're a player, you're going, okay, what's my confidence? compensation where the value is not, you know, going seven innings, giving up four runs,

throwing 120 pitches. It's potentially going four or five innings, striking out eight or nine guys, and that's my compensation. And with that, you know, you're throwing as hard as you possibly can every pitch, ripping breaking balls, you're going to break. And that's unfortunate what's happening. So I can't argue with the player as far as the competition piece of it, the compensation and also the organization you're trying to compete and win. And so, to have a guy, you know, temper back and throw 85% of his potential velocity to not get out, that doesn't sound too appealing either. But the industry, the breakdown, the injuries, it is unfortunate because you do want to see the best players out there.

So I appreciate you saying it's certainly not a Dodger thing. It's an industry-wide thing. And how are we going to combat that? I don't know the answer. Yeah, no, I've been reading about this because I knew you were coming on, and I'm like, it's everywhere. you know, it's Clayton Kershaw is going to have a season debut tomorrow. And, I mean, there's an argument. I think it's a fair argument.

He's our Sandy Kofax. I mean, he is in this era. He's the Sandy Kofax. And he doesn't have to, he's got a pile of money. He's got success, rings. And Clayton, he wants to be part of this magic. And what does he add? Give me stuff I don't see in the locker room on the team playing.

in your office, off days, what does he add? Man, you and I got to go have a beer at some point, because I just love this conversation. You know, Clayton adds certainly a track record. He adds toughness, compete. I was actually telling my wife last night, we were talking about Clayton pitching, and I was like, I just can't wait to see him get back out on the mound,

and watch that compete, where every single throw is conviction. And he's just not gonna be denied, and he puts in the work. And for me, and he is like a different person than when I had him in 16. He's a father now of four or five kids, and he's got a different perspective, right? He sees the finish line, now he's chasing 3000,

but when he gets out there, he's just an absolute beast. And I do believe that he is the modern day Sandy Kofax where there is no self-promotion, He doesn't want any media, but obviously being a great pitcher, first ballot hall of him, he's going to get it. But he just wants to be a part of this team, wants to help us win, and he just loves competing. So for me, we're going to see him on Saturday, and I just can't wait to see that kind of toughness, that fight, that compete, because that resonates with everybody, and it raises the bar for all of us. You know, it's funny.

Final question, if people always complain, the NBA is too long, and I'm like, try being a baseball manager. it's double and you're playing outdoors and it's in the heat and there's pitching injuries. Do you, forget the players for a second, how do you stay fresh? This is a lot of games. You know what I mean? You're in a lot of nice hotels. I get it. But it is groundhog day.

How do you make sure it's not and that you bring energy every night to this roster that needs, it needs energy, it needs guidance? It does. It does. And when you're playing a marathon of 16. too. I think the thing is to keep guys motivated each day. That's probably the biggest challenge and my thing I love most. I realized probably three years ago that I wanted to do this longer term. And fortunately, I signed an extension. And at that point in time, I realized I got to pour into myself

because us as coaches and managers, I tell our guys all the time, we're not allowed to have bad days. You know, players can do that, but not us. And so I have found a way. to pour more into myself. My faith being number one, and number two, I like to play golf. And I had the good fortune of playing Augusta National, this road trip as far as well as Pine Valley. So it was a pretty good road trip for me. And I think for me is when I get out there and hit the ball around, I come in more energized because I've kind of filled my cup. And the players certainly feel that. And that's kind of how I've done to kind of take care of myself a little bit. But Colin, honestly, I love players.

I love the game of baseball. And so it's fun for me to go to work each day. Can you hit a fairway wood? Because I can't. You know what? I can. Not great, but I can. But I'm just saying I can.

I didn't say I can hit it well, but yes, I can't. You're the one guy on the planet, not on the tour that can. Dave Roberts. It's great seeing you. Thanks, man. You're the man, Colin. Take care. Thanks for having me.

God. Oh, of course. Of course, Dave Roberts, who is, you know, it's, you know, you think, oh, the big payroll. I'm going to tell you something, folks. Try coaching the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, they all these good players. Yeah, they run through coaches. Doug Peterson wins the Super Bowl. He's gone. Like, you coach an SEC team. You win a national championship. Gene Chiswick, Auburn, out two years later. Like, there's a lot of pressure to manage the Dodgers, and he's just got such a nice temperament. It reminds me a little bit of Joe Torrey. who for years was managing the A-Rod-Geeder relationship. Everybody was like, oh, Tori.

There's a reason he had Don Zimmer on the bench with him. It was more than just baseball. You were managing a lot in the New York media and the New York talk shows and A-Rod and Derek Jeter. To get a guy, A-Rod, who was arguably the best shortstop, I'm going to go play third. You don't think you have to manage that on a weekly basis and the tabloids?

Absolutely. We got Ian O'Connor, by the way, New York Times best-selling author. He writes great books. His Shashefsky book, his Belichick book. I got some questions on Belichick with Ian O'Connor, some insight. Because I've kind of, I'm on an island here. I'm kind of supporting Belichick a little bit.

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I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Since 2019, the last five years, they are 29th in offensive touchdowns, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Only the Jets, Giants, and Panthers are worse. So it just, it feels like, and they lost their left. tackle, their star running back, and one of their receivers and a quarterback. So it's going to be a mess. So count me as somebody predicting the Steelers are not going to make the playoffs and not going to win a

playoff game for the ninth consecutive year. And it's remarkable because you have Burrow and Lamar Jackson in your division. So you're seeing great quarterback play. I'll give Cleveland credit. They take swings. I don't agree with the swings, but they take swings. You know, that's just not what Pittsburgh is. So I think it'll be the ninth season without winning a playoff game. The gold standard is the mold standard. We call them the Pittsburgh Stalers. It's just an outdated offense. It looks very 1990s. They can't figure the old line out. But I've always found it weird. I don't think they would fire Mike Tomlin, but the idea that he couldn't be fired were firing Andy Reed and Bill Belichick. So Tom Landerie got fired. But Pittsburgh just doesn't do that. And, you know, and say this for Green Bay. Green Bay is a smaller market by far than Pittsburgh, and they've had to run coaches out. So it's, I'm not anti-smaller market. I'm green bay, I'll make the argument, Green Bay has done a better job in my, in the last 25 years, they have drafted O-line and quarterback better than everybody. They never draft O-Lignment in the

first round, and they always have elite offensive lines or at least top 10 O lines. So they do it right. Pittsburgh is just, they just feel, they just feel really outdated. But for Ryan Clark to come out and say he's grown stale, I mean, that's this. And there may be some agreement in the building. I would not be surprised if the Roonies haven't told Omar Khan and Mike Tomlin, listen, if we're bad this year to get a quarterback next year, you're safe. And I don't think that's generally a bad thing. But I, I don't know, I look at that schedule.

Once again, it's got a really rough stretch. Aaron Rogers, I think, makes them viable. But Aaron at this point is just not, I mean, I'm, I think with Aaron, they can win nine games. I think without him, they win six to seven. I think Aaron's worth about a game, maybe two. But I don't think a ton more. I think when you go to Pittsburgh, I think you're fighting a culture. and, you know, I don't think, one of the things, if I was Aaron Rogers, I would have to think about is you lost your left tackle.

You don't do O-line right. I'm like 41. I don't want to get hit. I mean, one of the things when Brady went to New England, remember Peyton Manning went to Denver, they had the O-line right. Stafford to L.A. They had the O-line right. When Brady went to New England, what was her first draft, or went to Tampa? What was Tampa's first draft pick?

Tristan Worf's. They had to get the right tackle right. They had left tackle, they were okay, very good interior, and then he wanted gronk. So older quarterbacks don't want to get hit, and Pittsburgh Steeler quarterbacks get hit. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Colin, one of the reasons I love working with you is you and I both love the WNBA, now that Caitlin Clark is there, and the season tips off this weekend. How about this, Colin? The league is so smart. And remember you blasted them last year for the scheduling. They have lined it up. So Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever face Angel Reese's Chicago Sky tomorrow. And how lucky are they, Colin?

The NBA has no playoff games tomorrow. There's Friday and Sunday. So the WNBA is all alone Saturday. This is great. WNBA commissioned Kathy Engelbert called Clark the most popular athlete in America. I think there's some dispute on that one. But she did win rookie of the year. WNBA, all WNBA.

She was an All-Star, was fourth in MVP voting. Listen, I know the lead, we haven't talked about it a lot on the show prior to last year. But as you say, as you like to say, when things change and you get new information, I change too. And I know you're kind of fired up about this. Yeah, no, I said this, is that I think we had, I counted last year at one point, somewhere between like eight and 12 times. I either led with the WNBA, Caitlin Clark story, or it was in my first hour. So, and, and as you well know, behind the curtain, this is boring to the, audience, so I won't spend a lot of time on it.

Sean McVeigh, once he didn't play any starters in the preseason and everybody followed him, August is a really dead month for us. I mean, the Schoer Sanders could be the story of August. Kenny Pickett was the story once of August. So we're looking for late July and August. It used to be NFL preseason. Tom Brady would plan it. Peyton Manning would plan it.

Nobody does. And so I think there's an opening in the sports market. I think baseball, we do way more baseball now. in August because the NFL really didn't start until Labor Day weekend or the weekend after. And I think WNBA fills in nicely. And I think it's interesting. The league, I don't think the league was intentional enough. I don't think they realized how good she was going to be and how popular.

Like the Taylor Swift tour, the ERIS tour, you're like, everybody knew, oh, oh, yeah, tickets are selling out in eight minutes. I don't think the WNBA quite understood the introsanami that was going to happen. So I love the intention here. They're like going, okay, let's not wait because last year they butchered it. Remember, they gave her the hardest schedule in the league. The team was, she was getting beat up. The team was overwhelmed. So give the WNBA credit, they were slow, but they figured it out now.

So 41 of the fever's 44 regular season games are going to be on TV. They're starting to get it. They got the memo that, hey, it matters. I had a WNBA writer on my podcast. He said at the athletic, this offseason, they were doing WNBA moves. Usually doesn't do any traffic. Indiana fever moves, coaching hires, we're doing monster traffic. You know this, you have a podcast.

This show, I'm just telling you guys, Caitlin Clark matters, WMBA. It's relevant now, and it's going to be a big story this summer. Next up, Colin, let's go to the NBA last night. Questionable coaching by OKC's Mark Dangnall. He left SGA in late in the first half with three fouls, and he picked up his fourth. Denver proceeded to go on a 12-0-0 run, which was huge. And, you know, obviously, OKC kind of, that cost a season record, and OKC was a dominant regular season team.

The best player in the world right now is Yokin, she has been for four to five years. I didn't, you know, listen, he's not the first coach to do that. Secondly, when you're on, you don't do that at home. but I think when you're on the road and it's a close-out game, we talk about this all the time in baseball. You manage the National League Championship Series or the ALCS differently than you do game 84 in July. And so I'm on the road, it's a close-out game.

I'm not resting my guy and letting them catch up. Now, they did, but I just think we have to be reasonable. You don't coach the same way. it's circumstantial. And so we can all beat up this coach. He obviously knows what he's doing. And it happens. Sometimes it happens.

You see college coaches have this all the time. You get, you have like one star player in college as your entire offense. And, you know, you can't pull a Zaks Eady out because he is so dominant. So I'm not going to crush a coach for that. All right. How about this?

So did you, have you had a chance to look at the line for Game 7 Sunday? Let me guess. Let me guess. Let me guess. Okay. C minus four and a half. Wow, way off. OKC minus seven and a half is where this game open.

Game seven in OKC and they're favored by seven and a half. Now, most of the home games in the series, they've been favored by like 9, 10, 11. Okay? Seven and a half feels a little bit high for a game seven featuring the best player on the planet. I'm not endorsing any gambling on this one, but it would have to be OKC or pass, right?

I'm sorry, Denver or pass. Oh, yeah, I would take. By the way, Gordon's, healthy, right? He got dinged up and played it. We got to see. I mean, he pulled up with the hamstring, and we know that could be a significant injury, but he did play through it. Jamal Murray was a hero last night. This guy was sick. He played great. Final story, Colin, is we got to go to the Patriots. So what the audience needs to know is when you get eye on a team, we're going to ride them. So there's going to be a lot of Patriots coverage on the show here. And Drake May is a big reason.

Former Patriot Drew Bledso knows a little thing about playing quarterback. He said that Drake May, where do you hear this comparison? It's such a great weapon and something quite honestly I'm a little bit jealous of. It can really break the back of a defense because you know when you have a

you know a defensive play on third down and we're looking at some third downs right here where you cover everybody, everybody's covered you've done your job and then all of a sudden the quarterback pulls it down runs and gets a first down that's really disheartening

to a defense. I mean you watch Pat Mahomes every you know It seems like every game, you know, at the end of a game, you know, Pat would make one big play running the ball. It just always seemed like in crunch time, he would pull it down and run for that first down. That was just a backbreaker. And I think Drake May has the ability to do that. Yeah, I mean, the comp was always Justin Herbert. I think Herbert was more refined, more starts coming out of Oregon.

But I think it very, the size, the arm, the movement. I think I think when you watch him play, you see Herbert. he just again, he had to clean some stuff up that Herbert was, his mechanics were better. But I, listen, when you spend 300 million on 11 draft picks, upgrade coach, quarterback year two, you know, 350 million in free agency or thereabouts, like they're going to be a much better team. So interesting, our staff was able to dig up some numbers in rushing last year between Drake Bay and the guy that Bloodsho just mentioned, Patrick Mahomes. Are you ready for this, Colin? This is just rushing last year.

Drake May was significantly a more effective runner than Mahomes. Now, I know May was running for his life often because they had a billion different offensive line combos. But he is kind of like, I know people like hate when I say this, deceptively athletic for his size. You mentioned Herbert. That's a great comp. Listen, I hate the Patriots because I'm a Jets fan. I like Drake May. This is kind of like a Celtics thing with Tatum.

I don't like Boston, but I like Tatum. I like this kid, Drake May. I think you're on to something with them being a potential wildcard team in the AFC next year. Thanks to Drake, mate. Yeah, I think they are. Absolutely. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

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and he's been an unbelievable player. He's got a good social media stuff. I think he's met expectations. He is an all-time great player. I think Tigers surpassed him. I think LeBron surpassed him, and I think O'Donnie has surpassed him. it did help him moving from Angels and Dodgers they play this weekend because now he's

surrounded by better hitters and he gets you know he gets better pitches but last night's you know another great example it's it's bobblehead night and he once again delivers on his own bobblehead night with two jackson six rbis and here's the blast and dave roberts earlier on him on a two o tony launches a ball the other way headed towards the seats it is from show him it's laughable it really is i think that uh you know his bobblehead night homers and i would say is on base plus slug uh as ops with the bobblehead is probably 2000 it seems like he homers every time any big moment there's just you know it's like michael taking the last shot tiger he's gonna make this put that doesn't always happen but this guy is it's like every single time there's a big moment

a big spot anticipation he delivers and it's just with baseball where you just can't dictate all the time it's just it's really uncanny and like I said laughable I guess is my answer you know it's I think the media I think it's a fair criticism of the media that they over hype things uh you know it's it's I don't know how the tariffs are going to play out but from what I'm reading it will end the American economy but I don't think I don't think I don't think the sports media generally puts Otani, Tiger, LeBron labels on players incorrectly. Again, Bryce Harper has lived up to expectations. I think Otani's greater than we thought.

LeBron surpassing magic and assists in Kareemann Point is greater than we thought. But generally, and it doesn't happen very often, I can remember a soccer player, Freddie Adieu, that that was where the media just missed. But I think a lot of that is the American sports media so desperately wanted to have a soccer star, and we hadn't had a soccer star. I think Christian Pulisic has met, maybe not surpassed, but he's certainly met the hype. I think he's our great offensive either goal score or set up man. And I think in big matches, overseas, World Cups, I think when he's not on the pitch, we're not the same United States national team. So, but, but I mean, I think Eric Lindross, Sidney Crosby,

Ovetchkin was one of the hockey's had about every four or five years. You'll get an international hockey guy or a Canadian hockey guy. And I think they've overwhelmingly lived up to the hype. But, you know, in a strange way, does it help Otani that he comes from another country and, you know, isn't speaking our language? Let's be honest, there are limits. He has to have, you know, the interpreter around him. probably helps him a little bit from the day to day, sit around the batting cage and be

engulfed in American media. That may help him a little bit. But it's just, he's just remarkable. He is, and what he does, Arod did this when he went to the Yankees. Yankees were already drawing well, but he made like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday games at Yankee Stadium feel like events. We live in an event culture now. That's why the NBA playoffs will get a number and the regular season won't. The regular season doesn't feel special. Adam Silver has made a real effort to do that in-season tournament. They change the color of the courts, and it's got a lot of critics. My thing is, it does feel different. It does. The players take it seriously. When I'm watching see a purple court, I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, it's one of those in-season tournament games.

Give Adam, so I just appreciate the effort. Like, I think we've seen something with baseball. I've got to give Rob Manfred credit. Baseball's made two or three moves that've gotten pushed back on all of them, and they've all worked. The pitch clock, the bigger bank. the defensive shift. They're going to go to robots, potentially behind the plate. I'm fine with it. They've all worked. Adam Silver deserves a lot of credit.

He got $76 billion. $76 billion. And the ratings were not up. And he got another, he got a streaming giant Amazon. He got NBC, which really, I'm not sure how NBC is going to make a profit on that. And NBC's promos have been great. round ball rock john tash they've been great but that's not his responsibility adams job is to get 76 billion not to make it work fiscally for the networks and i think i actually think our commissioners right now

are really good i think giddell rob manfred has been right on so much but we don't like authoritative figures we don't like leaders canada didn't like trudeau our presidents are popular our commissioners aren't our ceos aren't we just don't we're just in a time nobody's popular. But I think by and large, they listen. I'm looking at this. Shohei Otani, four games in which it's been

Otani Bobblehead night. He's batting 440 with four home runs, eight RBIs, and three stolen bases. The guy's just, he's an all-time talent. The other story that we have is, I was talking earlier about when you talk Lakers,

you think warriors, you know, huge, brand, West coach, LeBron and Steph. The league puts them on in Christmas. And I think the Warriors are actually in a much better spot. First of all,

they have Steve Kerr, and the Lakers have a very, very young, aspirational driven coach, but he's not Steve Kerr. Secondly, Jimmy Butler and Steph, as your two stars, are both workaholics and grinders. LeBron's in his

40s. He has taken nights off, and Luca doesn't really play defense and is not in the greatest shape. The other thing is the last two draft picks by the Warriors, Pods and Post, Quentin Post, are good players. One starts, one's rotational. They don't feel overwhelmed. They also have a trade piece. They'll sign and trade Jonathan Cominga, and they'll get something for him, hopefully size and hopefully another wing athlete. I do feel like the Warriors are a playoff team next year. I saw this morning that Brooke Lopez suggestion.

Duties 37. We can't do that. Whereas I said this, I think the Lakers are in a little bit of trouble because they really don't want to part with Austin Reeves. And I agree with Bill Plasky, who's a very popular writer for the LA Times. I don't know how you get better without it. I just don't know how you do it. So you have to move off players.

The Warriors are moving off Kaminga. Everybody in the building agrees. Half the people in the Laker building don't think they should move off Austin Reeves. At least that's their positioning. So here, let's start with Steph Curry on the future of the Warriors. Our contracts are all Me, Draymond, Steve, Jimmy All two years

And we want this variety To last as long as possible But it's just about What does this team need for next year That's all I really focused on right now And I'm excited about it Because there's clarity Although there are a lot of decisions

That need to be made over the summer I still think that We have a lot of great basketball left ahead of us. I don't think this age thing is anything the way that everybody's taking care of our bodies doing right. I think the potential is there. So with this full season we got coming up ahead, I think we'll be able to find out. Now the NBA, Adam Silver doesn't want dynasties. He wants to make it harder to trade. Again, Silver's made some good moves. NBA playoffs, more physical. It takes away some of the three-point parade.

importance. The other thing is we got different champions every year. Adam Silver wants that. He wants more inclusion. The other thing, it's harder to make trades. But we're going to have a Janus deal potentially, a KD deal potentially. Kmingo will get a better player to a big market. And there's rumors the Lakers are going to be hyper-aggressive. So I don't know. My takeaway is I think the Warriors are in a better spot. Listen, if I have Steve Kerr and you, you have JJ Redick, I'm in a better spot. There's no question about that. Let's settle down with this.

Blow up the Lakers we need to make all these moves. Let me just remind folks, they were a top four team in the West, okay? Who'd almost finish second in the West with only having Luca for half a season call? I think the Lakers' troubles are overblown. As for the Warriors, I would agree with you. They're in a great spot. Listen, you say, hey, who could get Yannis? The Lakers are the Warriors.

Well, the Lakers don't really have the ammo. The Warriors could package young players and draft picks and make a running honest. I personally don't think it'll happen, but they're not far off either. The problem, as you alluded to, is the West is so young everywhere. The Rockets are young and on the come up. The Spurs, they're coming next year, okay? The Mavericks with Cooper Flag, they're going to be back. I mean, like, Minnesota ain't going nowhere.

The thunder are loaded. It's just the Western Conference right now. The imbalance is crazy. Now, Colin, Adam Silver, I think he came on here and talked about expansion. Well, those are two teams of Bright that are coming to the West. Vegas and Seattle? I mean, we'll see. So that's two more teams to the West?

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