The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Dodgers, Rams, Browns

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

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It is great to have you in today. Greg CoSell in less than three minutes, 42 years at NFL films, 15, 20 great minutes of football. If you play fantasy football, bet on football, or just want to get smarter and love football. Greg Cocell is money. Joy Taylor joining me, the Dodgers. limping players getting hurt. I watched a little bit last night, but I was so taken by the Celtics and the Knicks,

but there was so much activity and so much energy. I couldn't turn it off. It was such great television. Yeah, the Dodgers didn't have quite the energy. Yeah. It's just all year long. It was injuries and, you know, Kershaw gets hurt, and now Turner

and just the way the season went. You know, it's funny. I was thinking about this. There's a lot more people New York that live in Queens and Staten Island than live on Park Avenue. In New York sports executives, I always feel like think fans want stars. But what fans want New York is what fans want everywhere. Winners.

And if you go look at the most popular Yankees during their run in the 90s, early 2000s, Paul O'Neill was wildly popular. Scott Brocious, Andy Petit, Derek Jeter came from Midwestern parents, Midwestern roots, the often-fired Joe Torrey, Bernie Williams, the humble Mariano Rivera. Arod wasn't as popular. Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, were very polarizing. Why did people in New York fall in love with the Mets? They were quirky, different, unique.

If you look at the New York Giants, wild, probably the most popular New York football teams ever, it was Parcells, Jeff Hostetler, Phil Sims, Harry Carson, Mark Bavaro, Phil McConkey, They were never glamour teams. I mean, good luck. Jeremy Lynn was the most popular New York Nick for a time because he was an underdog. There's a lot more people living, you know, right up against Czech to check in New York than live on Park Avenue. And when you watch the New York Knicks play, I find them so redeemable and so easy to root for because they're winners. Julius Randall is on his third team and Fournier's on his third or fourth team if he count Europe and Campbell Walker.

the Celtics bailed on him and so did Charlotte. New York, if you watch that crowd last night, that city loves this team. They love this team. They don't really have a go-to star. Derek Rose is a shell of himself, but they play defense, they play hard. They're not really as talented.

They don't have anybody as good as Jason Tatum, who was bad last night or Jalen Brown. But there is something to be said. They've got a bunch of kids that are growing. a bunch of old guys that have been abandoned. And I watched that crowd last night and just how passionate they in. New York sports executives think everybody in New York wants stars. No, they don't.

They just want winners. And the Knicks right now are winners. By the way, the Brooklyn Nets have stars. What a mess that is. By the way, the Yankees have stars. They've underachieved for years. You know, I just, when you, I sat there and I watched that last night and I'm like, God, I'm not from New York, totally relatable team.

Every rebound they're battling for, every loose ball they're battling for, every possession they play defense. I mean, you're going to get your Spike Lee's and your Cardi Bs in the front row and your Tracy Morgan's. I get that, but I sometimes I watch these New York. Now, L.A., we have hardworking players too, but this is Hollywood. We have some stars here. I've always argued Los Angeles.

There are so many things to do. Our weather's better. we have a beach. You got to have a little glamour with your teams. New York, six months of the year, you don't want to go outside. It's too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. Just give people winners. I think it's harder in Miami, even with winners.

They got a beach. They got great weather. Once you're a cold weather team, give people winners. They don't care what they look like. Nicks are not going to win the East, but they're a top three or four team. Love watching them play last night. So much fun. in artistic but so much fun.

Greg Kossel, 42 years covering the NFL for NFL films is now joining us live. So I tend to be fascinated with bad pro sports franchises. I grew up as a kid and I loved the San Diego Padres when they went in 60 games a year. And the Jaguars now fascinate me. You've got the Urban Myers situation. Is that a Randy Jones era coming? Is that a Randy Jones? Yes.

Yes, it was. were awful. I'm from Queens, just so you know, I just heard all you talk about New York. I grew up in Queens. There you go. A lot of guys from Queens. So I watched the Jaguars and I found myself fascinated with that game against the dolphins and I found myself rooting for them. What did you take away from Trevor Lawrence's first win? I have to tell you, I've been very, very impressed with Trevor Lawrence and the fact that he's continuing to get better with each game. You have to remember. one thing. He's on a bad team. And there have been studies done that indicate that when rookie quarterbacks are on bad teams that they don't play well. And Lawrence is getting better every week. I think they're doing a good job to helping him this past week against the Dolphins defense that, by the way, played a ton of zone coverage because their two starting corners were out. But they're helping him get rid of the ball more quickly, more decisively. He's seeing things better. The Dolphins in the second half in particular,

and did a lot of things with pressure front looks. They disguised a lot of late movement. Lawrence saw all that. He made a throw to Agnew for 29 yards in the third quarter. That was absolutely beautiful, given the disguise and late movement element that the Dolphins showed him. And I think he's playing, given the team that he's on, you could almost argue that he's playing at a very high level.

Yeah. So let's check back in with Joe Burrow. He takes on the Ravens this weekend, a real challenge. now he's got a very nice set of wide receivers. Jamar Chase is terrific. And that certainly helps. Let's not acknowledge, ignore the fact that he's got some real playmakers. But let's talk about now.

We saw glimpses last year. Are you seeing the consistency now? Because he hasn't started 16 games yet in his career. No. What are you seeing? You know, it's interesting you mentioned the consistency because I really like Burrow and I like his game. I think he has a little gunslinger and risk taker in him that still needs to be challenged with more experience. And I think that at times it results in some reckless throws from the pocket.

But, you know, that needs to be channeled over time. And I think he knows that. One thing they love to do, and I'm very curious to see if they do a lot of it this week against Baltimore, a very difficult defense to play against, I'm very curious to see if they continue using empty sets. They've used more empty sets than any team in the league than Matthew Stafford and the Rams. Almost 10 per game. Think about that. More than 10 per game.

That's a lot of lining up and empty. So you're relying on your quarterback to see things. You do get coverage tendencies pre-snap. You get predictability pre-snap. But you also have to protect against a team in the Ravens that is very good with their pressure concept. So Burrow is, I think he's a fascinating player. this offense will get better, but I think he just needs to channel his risk-taking ability just a touch. So did the final slip by Josh Allen overshadow how well he played Monday night?

Yeah, well, the Titans went in with one basic goal, and that was to limit big plays, explosive pass plays. So Allen played very much under control. You don't see the scatter shot throws that you used to see. You don't see him run around anywhere near as much as he used to. I thought he played extremely well. He's a much more precise ball placement thrower now. He still can move, of course, extremely well. And I think, look, I've set up before and I think I've said it to you. I think just in terms of physical gifts, people can debate the best, make lists, that's fine. But as far as physical gifts. Josh Allen is the most physically talented quarterback in the national football league. So Tannahill, you know, he's got Derek Henry. What do you make of Tannahill in that passing

game? Does it have a lower ceiling? Yes. Well, I think ultimately, we know that their offense starts with Henry. But when they're at their best and it showed up in the second half of that game against Buffalo Monday night, it's why they won the game. And it showed up is because of their play action pass game. They do a lot of quick. game play action where it's what I call bang play action with three step drop, quick five step drop. They get those linebackers to step up and they hit AJ Brown. They'd love to do this with Julio Jones if he can stay healthy. They hit him in the middle of the field. They run kind of what they call glance routes or five steps slants and you normally get a lot of space there. And Brown caught

seven balls in the second half and a number of them were on this kind of play. They've done this extremely well over the last couple of years. This is what their past game predominantly is, and it's when it's very, very effective. It all starts with Henry. You know, I mentioned Josh Allen being the most physically gifted quarterback. You could argue right now that the most individually dominant player in the game is Derek Henry. Right, right. So the New England, Dallas game was, there was multiple mistakes. I could argue Mike McCarthy, there were some coaching snafus. But, I want to dial in, because we know what DAC is at this point.

Let's dial in on Mack Jones. I think my belief on what he is is kind of bearing out. I think he's accurate. I think there's some things he does very well. He gets rid of the ball quickly. I don't, you know, he's not going to do anything off script. I think he was a pretty easy guy to predict. What did you see against Dallas and Mack Jones going forward?

Yeah. I mean, I think you see essentially calling the same thing every week because that's what he is. I mean, what always stands out when you watch Mac Jones is he knows where to go with the ball. He's precise with his ball location. He's very tough in the pocket. I don't think that particular trait was talked about a lot coming out because at Alabama, you didn't see a lot of plays in which he was under pressure. You had to really dig, and I ended up, I think, watching nine or ten full games.

And then you found some plays where he was under pressure. And he handles that extremely well. And one reason he does is he's not really a striven. as a thrower. He's a very short strider. So when there are bodies around him, he can still make throws. Now, he's not a velocity thrower. So he's not going to drive the football. But you're 100% right. There's not a lot of mystery to what Mack Jones is. So the debate will be when they do get better weapons, assuming they do, I would imagine they'll think that way. Will he be the same guy or will he become better? You know, it's very funny that touchdown he threw to Kendrick

born to go ahead late in the game. That ball should never have been thrown. I spoke to somebody who played safety and told me that, you know, a ninth grader should have intercepted that ball if you were the post safety. Yeah. So that ball should never have been thrown, but that doesn't take away from what he is. And the fact that he's been decisive, he's been efficient, but their past game is very condensed.

Yeah. So when you look at the Cowboys both sides, one of the things that's jumped out to me is, because I do think they have a really good kicker. One of the things that's jumped out to me is I don't see their visible holes. They look fairly complete to me, very rangy and athletic and very complete. What does the film say on Dallas? I would agree with that. I think they're a fascinating team.

We've talked a lot about Dak Prescott. He's a very good player. And they've got weapons. But I think what you're seeing defensively is you've seen a change in philosophy from Dan Quinn. and everybody thinks of him as the cover of three legions of boom coach. He now plays far more man coverage. There's more pressure concept. So he's evolved.

And Randy Gregory has really stood out for the first part of this season. It's been great. And now, I mean, I remember him. I know you watch a ton of college football. I remember him coming out in Nebraska. And if it wasn't for the personal issues, I thought he was a top 10 talent in that given draft. Obviously, it didn't work out that way for other reasons.

but he's playing extremely well now, and he's got speed, he's got power, he's got burst, he's flexible, he's given them an edge pass rush, and the other thing Dan Quinn is doing, which he didn't really do back in his heyday as a decoordinator, was he's moving people around. So Gregory will stand up as a movable chess piece. Micah Parsons is a movable chess piece when you get to your sub-fronts. So they're a lot more versatile and multiple now under Dan Quinn than they have been. And we don't need to talk about Trayvon Dix. He's obviously playing extremely well.

But this is a pretty complete team, as you said. I'm real curious to see as this year plays out. So we often just look at a record or the scoreboard, and we make valuations on teams. So Kansas City's record doesn't jump out, but their defense played better in the second half against Washington. Mahomes had 428 yards. So when you see Patrick today, forget the record. What does the film tell you about? Like, do you think what you saw this past weekend, that's what we'll see going forward?

Well, I thought that Andy Reid and his coaching staff made a really strong adjustment to start that game. Patrick Mahomes will always put up yards, okay, and they score a lot of points, and you can easily say, that's all that matters, let's leave it alone. But the goal of coaching and teaching is to get players to play the right way all the time. And there's no question that Patrick Mahomes, as talented as he is, had kind of lost his way. a little bit in terms of playing with the proper footwork, the proper balance, throwing the ball with a firm base. You know, the things that you really need to do to play at a high level, snap after snap after snap. So one thing they did this past week to start the game is they

lined up more with two tight ends, 12 personnel than they have it in any game this year, and they focused on protection. And when you focus on protection, you make your quarterback feel very secure in the pocket, feel very comfortable, and then his fundamentals come through. And that's what Patrick Mahomes needed. The talent is there. You know, for those listening saying, well, what are you talking about? We know he's talented, Colin. That's not the point. But you still have to play the right way. That's what coaches do. And that's what they teach. And I thought Mahomes still had some issues this week, but he moved in the right direction. And they helped him move in the right direction. So, I mean, before we get to the play of the week, the Ravens just, it wasn't overly

competitive. I imagine the film told you the offensive line was really dominant against the Chargers front. That would be my guess. But you tell me, the Ravens, it was not a competitive football game. Why? It was a Patrick Ricard game, Colin. He played 55 snaps. They lined up in what we call 21 personnel, because I view him as a fullback. They lined up in 21 personnel on 55 snaps. That was more than he's ever played in any game. They wanted a lineup. They wanted to play power football. They got the run game going, and that's the way they chose to play. And Jackson was good, not as good as he was the week before against Baltimore when he was

phenomenal, but he made a couple of throws. They didn't have to be as aggressive throwing the ball because their defense dominated, of course, as well. But that was the way they chose to play this game. They're not going to do that every week. And in fact, we'll be very curious to see how they choose to play against the Bengals this week. But when you play that way, a couple of things have to happen.

Number one, you do have to run it well. And number two, you have to score touchdowns in the red zone. And the play we're going to show, which we can go to right now, was a really well-designed red zone touchdown. And people just see this play and they say, hey, Mark Andrews is open. But how does he get open? That's the design of the play. And that's what we're going to take a look.

Yeah, he's wide open. So as I mentioned, they were in 21 personnel, two backs, a tight end. There's Mark Andrews. And what they're going to get here from the Chargers, of what we call four across zone. A lot of teams do this in the red zone. And there's going to be shotgun run action in the backfield. And the reason this is important,

because that impacts that safety. That's actually Chris Harris, who played safety. That will impact him. And then you got Marquise Brown releasing vertically to hold down the corner. And remember, this is zone. So what happens now is those two defenders being held down. Andrews runs the crosser and it's zoned. So it's not Derwin James responsibility.

He's not matching up man. So that creates the space. So the design of the play creates the space and allows Mark Andrews to run across and be free. Beautiful design in the red zone to create. What looks to many is just, oh, that's too easy. Yeah. All right. That's good stuff.

Greg Kosell, as always, love you on Thursdays, man. Thanks. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. Every time I watch that, I think. How come they don't do that on every play? It's always so wide open.

You know, you don't, in the NBA, you have, you look at some video before a game. And, you know, in baseball, you kind of know the pitching matchups. It is remarkable how much practice you need for a singular football game on Sunday. And why? Because every foot counts. And that plays a great example of just manipulating the safety, two steps up, instead of two steps back. and Mark Andrews is not only open, he's wide open in a small area with a lot of players, the Red Zone. That's why they practice all week.

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Tomorrow, the ALCS heads back to Houston where the Astros are one-win away from punching their ticket to the World Series. While the Red Sox fight the save-off elimination, coverage of the ALCS game 6 begins at 7 Eastern, 4 Pacific on FS1 in the Fox Sports app. Yeah, Dodger season, they got very confident yesterday, apparently in the Dodger front office, and I thought they'd do fine,

but it's amazing. The Braves bullpen was better than the Dodgers starters. Dodgers couldn't hit. Trey Turner couldn't hit, Jason Turner couldn't hit, and last night the Braves took a 3-1 lead. They'll wrap up the series. It just feels like sometimes you have a season,

And it just doesn't, from the injuries to the lack of hitting, it just isn't working. So it looks like Atlanta is going to move on and face probably Houston. Probably. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the Texans and dolphins are reportedly in serious negotiations about a trade for Deshawn Watson, with talks intensifying after Miami lost their fifth straight.

game this weekend. The two teams reportedly want to finalize a trade before the November second deadline, and it could come as early as this week. There's also reports that a third team may be involved in the deal that could send TWA somewhere other than Houston. Like where? Washington football team was mentioned as a possible landing spot for TWA. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, look, there's probably not enough time to discuss all the nuance of this particular situation. And overall, I've kind of avoided giving any sort of of a concrete opinion about it because we don't have all the information.

On D'Shawn Watson. On the legal situation, criminally, civilly. We don't know what's happening with the NFL's investigation and what they're planning on doing. So we're all kind of operating in the dark here. But what we do know is that the dolphins clearly, and this is no longer an argument, dolphins' Twitter, the dolphins clearly are not all in on to us. or this wouldn't be a conversation at all.

Joy, this is an interesting one because I thought of you as I was thinking about this. When this story came out yesterday, I cut a couple of pieces for it. And I thought there are some things years and years ago I worked at another network. I don't know what happened to them. But Randy Moss was a patriot. And you started hearing, you know, Randy's history was he works for a while and then wear some people out. And there was a Monday night football game in Miami. And he was targeted one time.

And that, he was, he was Brady's guy. And I went on the air the next day and I said, you're going to think I'm overreacting. But that is something. And the audience is like, you're overreacting. I'm like, the best receiver in the game, not one catch, targeted once. They're moving off Moss. Like five days later, they traded him. There are these little things that send massive messages to a not being named captain as the only starting quarterback in the league

that didn't get that honor from teammates is a massive indictment of him. So it's one thing if the GM doesn't believe in him and the coach doesn't. But if the guy's in the room don't name you captain, that is a problem. And it's, you can't argue about it anymore. Stop worrying about being right. These stories, when stuff keeps leaking over and over and over and over again, we know whether it gets consummated now or later or never. You have legitimate people in the media.

in Houston, people I trust for years all saying, it's Miami. So I always thought the not naming him captains like what, and I'll give you an example, not to steal your segment here, but there was a quarterback at Michigan State years ago. I think his name was Connor Cook. Yeah. And he played at Michigan State for three years. I believe I'm right. He was with the Raiders.

And he was a three-year starter and a very competent player. And his last year there, he wasn't named captain. And I said, that's weird. I made one call to somebody inside the program. Because you and I've been doing this long enough. We have enough sources. And they said, players don't like him. And it came out some dad stuff, some not real leadership skills.

It matters. If players don't buy into you, it matters. And I think that was a huge signal that it's just not right there. Well, for me, it started well before the not being named. captain thing. I think it started at the beginning of last year, really even before that. Yeah. You don't need Ryan Fitzpatrick. What is happening with Joe Burrow? What happened with Justin Herbert? Yeah. What do we just see with Justin Fields? Put him out there. Zach Wilson's struggling, sure. Trevor Lawrence is struggling, sure. But we're seeing things.

What did Greg just talk about? The development of Trevor Lawrence. There's no, there's no captain save him. Do it. Go out there and play. And yes, certain situations. situations are different. 49ers are a different situation. Everything is not cookie cutter. But the fact that you felt the need to have Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's on his, what, ninth team now as the starter, when you took him, where you took him,

means you made the wrong choice. And Tua has never had an opportunity to develop. So my question was never, is Tua capable of being the starting quarterback? My question was, why are they not giving Tua the opportunity to become the starting quarterback? They don't like what they see at practice. There was never any momentum with his career.

And now you're in a situation where you're talking about making a massive trade for someone who we don't even know is going to be able to play in the worst case scenario ever again. So what is that telling you that the times that we don't see Tua, he's bad? So players at practice are watching him. Why didn't Miami give him a shot? Because they're watching practice. By the way, Bill Pollyon's a Hall of Fame front office guy. He told me this years ago, I asked him, I said, Bill, did you ever totally whiff on a guy? He goes, I drafted an offensive lineman.

I apologize to Peyton Manning two days in. I'm like, yep, whiffed on it. We don't see practice video. Coaches do. And if you're running in diagram and plays and you're like, we messed up. That's why they doubled down on their mistake. They should have gone last year and just drafted another quarterback because they clearly, they have never bought into Tua. Why isn't Houston interested in Tua?

Why is there a conversation about a third team being involved? Because they don't think you could. Jared Gough just went to Detroit. Matthew Stafford just went to L.A. Detroit was interested in Jared Gough. So I wanted Tua to have the opportunity to develop. I wanted Tua to be great. But the dolphins don't believe in Tua, and they show that time and time.

Again, actions speak louder than words. You can talk all you want about how he's the future of the franchise. Why isn't he the starter week one? He didn't understand the playbook. He wasn't healthy. And then you had an opportunity to draft another quarterback in the beginning of this year, and he didn't do it. So I don't like the Deshaun Watson situation.

It feels completely desperate. And I don't know how they're even going to structure it to have any kind of guarantees that if something happens on the other end of this, that they're going to have some protections. Because think of the risk of making that trade and bringing in Deshawn Watson, and then he's not able to play. So it's just a disaster and it was handled terribly. Case Keenham will get the same.

start tonight for the Browns with Baker out due to an injured shoulder. And he said he's more than prepared to step back into that role. I'm built for this. This is this is what I've done my whole career, not knowing if I'm going to start up until the game time to not knowing who's out there with me, to introducing myself to players while I'm calling a play type stuff. So, you know, I'm excited. What better chance to, you know, take advantage of an opportunity than on Thursday night football. I know these opportunities don't get to come around very often to be a starting quarterback in this league, only 32 per week. So I'm ready to take advantage of it. Well, they're favored by one and a half, other Browns, according to Fox Bet.

Jarvis Landry is active for the game tonight. He will play tonight. That matters. Odell is listed as questionable. He'll play. Nick Chub has been ruled out, and Kareem Hunt is obviously on injured reserve, and they have a bunch of other injuries as well. Jack Conklin, the right tackle and left tackle, Jedrick Wend. Will's are both listed as questionable.

Wills is expected to play, but Conklin is not. So dealing with a ton of injuries, Teddy Bridgewater is expected to play as well. But even though this is a game that's really the story is the injuries, it's a very crucial game for both of these teams. Like this is a pivotal game in the season for both of them. It's really interesting. So there's a saying called Seeing Around Corners. the best executives in broadcasting

we've got some already smart executives the best executives in football or basketball they can see a problem before it exists the interesting one with the AFC North is Joe Burrell's getting better fast and has great weapons Pittsburgh has great weapons but an old quarterback they're going to pursue Aaron Rogers Lamar Jackson's getting better and now with great weapons

you go three and four Baker's not 100% would you shut him down, which I think everything's on the table. It's a fascinating time for Cleveland because this division, from a quarterback perspective, by March, you might have Aaron Rogers in this division. I just think it's very risky at this juncture, especially with this. Well, you know, I was having an interesting conversation last night,

because you got to think about who's going to be on the market next year. And we know that they have Tray Lance in San Francisco. Jimmy Garapolo? Oh, no, I'm not making any massive statements here. It's just Cleveland. No, but I mean, they are clearly still deciding what to do. I personally would not move on from Baker. I don't, I mean, that's me.

I'm the Browns. If I'm the Browns. So if I'm in another organization who has had, you know, decades or, you know, some sort of momentum of success, and I feel like I can move on and, you know, keep sustaining that. The Brown's like, you guys just got stable. You just got here. Right. Let's not do any, it's not making any kind of drastic moves just yet.

To Kurt's point earlier, like, do you feel like you are the type of organization that can get to the playoffs and win a couple of playoff games or are you a championship contender? I think you keep building what you have, if I'm the Browns. But there are going to be some moves available out there. So Lamello Ball and the Hornets were down 20. 23 points in the second half before mounting a huge comeback last night against the Pacers. Lamello finished with 31 points and made seven three-pointers. He's really become a nice player.

He also had nine rebounds and seven assists, and fans were even chanting MVP when he was shooting free throws in the third quarter. He led the team to a 123, 122 victory. A lot of exciting games last night. You know, Duarte from Oregon scored 27 to Chris Duarte. Yeah. And we had said last year, you know it's a good draft because Chris Dorothe was going to get drafted like 15 to 20 and he's going to make the NBA. Really good shooter. Yeah, it was a good draft.

There was a lot of young players. It was a very good draft. You could see you have a lot of potential. And Lamello is making the previous draft look better. Anthony Edwards and Lamello. Now, James Wiseman is hurt. Cross your fingers on that. But I could tell you, the first couple days of the NBA have been fantastic.

They have. Really fun. Lamello also showed up in a very stylish. I saw that bright yellow. Outfit that matched his car, which was great. But he's a star. And this was why I loved him coming out. Because it's not just that he's going to be great on the court,

but he has that star quality. And it's great for that organization. It is. Charlotte needs to be interesting. Please. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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I know a lot of broadcasters. My first job was in Vegas. I know a lot of people that still work there. And that's why they wanted to work. You're from Pittsburgh or Miami. Many of the anchors have been there 30 years. Is that ideally, but I do think, and I think in sports, I think most players, Kurt Warner said this, they want to play for one team. But we know, and this is the reality of it, there's a lot of bad newsrooms that you have to leave.

There's a lot of bad news directors. There's a lot of bad TV station owners. And there's about a handful, five or six of really poor franchises in the NFL. And I was saying this earlier, where do you get selfish in life? Where do you finally say, I got to take care of me? And I think Matt Stafford, we're all going to talk about Matt Stafford and Jared Gough. And Joy and I kind of disagreed on this yesterday. Matt Stafford was hot property.

He had announced, I want out of Detroit. And to the Lions' credit, they were willing to move him. And Sean McVeigh went on vacation in Mexico and ran into Stafford at a hotel with their, you know, beautiful wives. And they struck a deal like right there. Like, let's get it done. And so the Rams just didn't have time to mess around. Colts wanted to, everybody wanted it. Miami wanted them, Washington.

Everybody wanted Stafford. And so the Rams are like, we're not in the loyalty business. We're out of here. We're not loyal to golf. And I really defend the teams on this. Is that I think when you're in the higher compensation business, Matt Stafford is rich, Sean McVeyer is rich, Jared Gough is rich. I'm not going to give you the loyalty, and you shouldn't expect it.

And the Rams are like, like Jared Goff this week said, I like that the Rams have kind of apologized for how they handled it. But the reality is, Stafford was wildly hot on the market. The Rams got a massive break. Coach sees him at a hotel. And they basically brokered the deal by the next morning. Stan Cronky told me he was on a tarmac in a plane. And he was sitting talking to McVeigh, who was selling him on Matt Stafford, and they had to pay Gough, 24 million this year to play for somebody else.

They had to give up first round picks. And I talked to Stan about this three weeks ago. He told me, he's like, I'm literally taking off. And I know once I take off, the plane has to get to 10,000 feet before I can talk to Sean McVeigh. And multiple teams were after him. And I didn't care if they hurt Jared Goff's feelings. They just moved on and got him.

And by the way, Matt Stafford finally wasn't loyal to Detroit. So it's one of the things I've always defended when LeBron left Cleveland. 99% of the media ripped him. I was the one guy that defended him. When Kevin Durant left, I defended him. You and I can work in our businesses for a lot longer than pro athletes can. And yes, they make a lot of money. But their legacies are defined generally by about eight years of prime athleticism.

I mean, LeBron James' legacy is framed. He's the first, second, third best player. of all time. It doesn't matter if he wins another title or doesn't. Bottom line is he's on a short list, right? The people that like Jordan over him will always like Jordan over him if he wins five more titles. And the people that like LeBron over Jordan already believe he's better than Jordan. So, but LeBron made, really made his hay from the first year in Miami to about two years ago before he started falling apart physically. There's about nine, 10 years. That's where he made his hay. And Matt Stafford gave a lot of those years up. Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford.

probably hit his peak year four and probably he's out of it year 11 like his peak and now he's in what year 13 and so man stafford's not going to get into the hall of fame unless he plays for like seven more years under sean mcvay and he's a hall of fame talent now that may not mean anything to matt stafford maybe he's eagulless but man stafford's a hall of fame talent if you look at his numbers with the rams and his numbers with detroit it's literally like two different players look at his numbers with the Rams. He's a 4-to-1 touchdown to interception ratio, a passer rating higher than Aaron Rogers.

The lion's numbers, he's a guy. He's not even Kirk Cousins. So that is where I always defend athletes. Forget the loyalty, forget giving somebody a heads up when you got to trade them. I mean, it's why, although I, It's creepy and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. I get Miami and Deshawn Watson. I get the reports today.

But Matt Stafford probably does not wear a gold jacket because he was a nice guy. I talked to Tony Gonzalez once about this. He said, I was a nice guy. He goes, I should have left. He goes, I ended up a Hall of Famer with great numbers. He goes, I gave up 50 touchdowns. I gave up so many playoff games. Why?

Because I was a nice guy. I didn't want to push management. By the way, Kurt Warner was on earlier talked about a lot of things. Baker Mayfield. So Baker's not going to play tonight. There's a story out by Ian Rappaport that he's injured. He's not going to be healthy this year. You know, Cleveland with Baker feels like a playoff team. Cleveland with Case Keenham feels like a decent football team. So Baker's better than Case. I don't think the betting market tells you there's not a wide difference, but there is. If Baker played tonight, I would like Cleveland to win. With Case Keenham playing

tonight, I wouldn't bet it. That's the difference. So Baker's better. But there is, after 50 games, you got to look at Baker. And after 50 games, the numbers are really clear. He's a guy. Now, you can look at the last year and go, well, look at these numbers. Well, now, that's with the best O line and the best running backs. But you start looking at his numbers. He is a guy. And those numbers only get better when he has the best running backs and the best running backs. offensive line. Kurt Warner earlier on kind of the dilemma the Brown's face with Baker going forward. I'm not sure Baker's a guy or at least shown us at this point. He's a guy that can carry a team. And to your point, Colin, that's what everybody wants, right? Everybody wants to find that

guy where you go, oh, if the chips are down and we got to depend on this guy, we can count on him to win a Super Bowl for us. There's a number of guys in the league that we have those questions about. And so it comes down to an organization saying, what are we here for? Are we willing to go to the playoffs every year and be a good solid team, or is the bottom line, end of the road, we want to win a championship? And if we want to win a championship, I think if you don't feel you have that guy, you cut ties, you move on and you try to find that guy because there are only so many guys every year. And what's interesting about that, and he's right, do you just want to win, what are your standards?

And I think the new guys, Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski have Super Bowl winning standards. what does the city have? But it's interesting because what really jumps out to me was that charger game. And when they gave the ball to Baker the last two times, they ran it in third and 10, and then he butchered the clock, wouldn't throw it out of bounds, and move 26 yards in a minute 26.

When I watched the Browns, they appear to be managing Baker, managing him out of what he perceives, Baker perceives as great athleticism. That would worry me if I was the Baker camp, Baker is agent. When I watch them play with Baker, they are taking things away from him to manage him. Nobody in Buffalo is managing Josh Allen. Nobody in Kansas City is managing Mahomes or managing Lamar. They're letting him do his stuff. They're letting him throw deep in his territory. That's

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