The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Game 3 of the NBA Finals

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

NBA analyst Ric Bucher sits down with Colin to share his thoughts on the desperate Mavericks, UConn coach Dan Hurley spurning the Lakers (and what the Lakers do next in their coaching search), and the late Jerry WestSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for Megan That's part of your day on a Wednesday. Game three tonight, Dallas Mavericks outplayed in Boston. Wheels came off a little. Now go back home. J. Mack? Everybody has said it's over. Interesting story.

Chris Tapp's Porzingis has a rare leg injury, as you pointed out earlier. Porzingis matters more than people think. So with Porzingis, this team shoots 51% from the floor. When he's off the floor, they shoot 43%. So he cleans up a lot his size. With him on the floor, they're plus 25. Without him, even game. Their offensive rating, higher when he's on the floor.

The net rating, 28, plus 28 with Porzingis on the floor, plus two and a half without him. Remember, this is not Michael Jordan's Celtics. It's Jason Tatum's. Yeah. So Porzingis is an absolute factor. I like Dallas tonight, though I think Tatum plays well. But it's interesting. I want to take you back to 2021.

So Kyrie and PJ Washington, the second and third best player, have been hot garbage. Go back to 2021. Chris Middleton and Drew Holiday through two games. The second and third best players stunk. And like Dallas, Bucks fell behind

two love. Dallas going home, the Bucks went home. So with the Bucks team, they were losing to a very well-rounded team that we didn't know if they had a great player in Phoenix. And right now,

Dallas is getting boat race by a very well-constructed team, though we're not sure if they have an iconic great player. The best player in that series was Janus, unquestionably, dealing with some injuries. The best player in this series is Luca clearly dealing with some injuries. Hmm. So, and Kyrie Irving, I would argue, is more skilled than Chris Middleton and Drew Holiday. Remember that Phoenix team?

like this Boston team, a lot of talent, McHale Bridges, Booker, Chris Paul, DeAndre Aiton, Jay Crowder. But like Tatum, at that time, we looked at Booker and said, yeah, it gives you 26, 27 a night, but is he the guy? Isn't that what we say about Tatum?

Aesthetically pleasing, all-star level, but is he the man? So I'm just saying, are we sure it's over? The numbers tell you. Remember, Milwaukee, what did they do in game three? Went back home? Blew out Phoenix by 20.

If Dallas goes home tonight, blows out the Celtics by 20, be very, very careful. Here's Jason Kidd, Mav's coach, on needing a win tonight in game three. The urgency started for us a while back, so I think we're used to that. I think the game

basketball is about makes and misses and capitalizing on mistakes. And we just haven't had that, you know, opportunity to capitalize. We're getting stops. We turn the ball over. We give up a three. Hopefully we can get, you know, the game is close coming down a stretch and we can capitalize on their mistakes. There's two teams playing so we can relax and enjoy this and have fun.

And that's what it's all about. And hopefully we can do that tomorrow night. I like Dallas tonight. I think their role players like the Buck's role players down 02 when they got back home. The Buck's role players. This is the way it goes. The Buck's second best player, third best player, fourth best player. They played very well at home.

I think Derek lively, a little overwhelmed in Boston goes back home more comfortable. I think Kyrie Irving, former Celtic, little overwhelmed in Boston goes back home more comfortable. Boston goes back home. I think Dallas is comfortable and wins substantially tonight with that Rick Buecker covering the league since 1993. He's on Speak Today. Our Fox Sports NBA analyst, Rick Buecher joining us today. So, you know, Mike, I remember that Milwaukee series, and we've talked about this,

generally stars Luca Janice, M.J. Kobe. They're good everywhere. Yeah. But your second, third, fourth, fifth guys tend to be on average in these big spots, little better at home. Yep. So my theory is this does have a little bit of a feel that Phoenix team like Boston, pretty stacked. We had questions about their one oh as being a one.

Do you think Dallas does have a shot going forward? I do. I still believe they have a chance at winning this series for a number of the reasons that you've already pointed out. I also believe, while I don't know if we look at Kyrie Irving purely as a role player, I do believe that he was fighting some gremlins in Boston, wanted to show the Boston fans something, and was doing a little too much on his own, as opposed to just playing within the concept of the team. And I do think, look, the Mavericks haven't gotten anything out of their bigs. Maxie Kleber hasn't given him anything.

Daniel Gaff or Derek lively, at least offensively. Rebounding wise, a little bit, but scoring wise, not at all. And they need that. PJ Washington, same thing. I honestly, I'm looking at Luca in the need for him to be a better playmaker and to make decisions quicker because the Dallas Mavericks are better overall.

Daniel Gafford and Derek lively and all those guys aren't going to get, BJ Washington even, aren't going to get things on their own. Luca's going to be setting that up. He had one assist in game one and he had eight turnovers in game two. He has 12 assists. and 12 turnovers in the two games.

He has to be a far better playmaker to get those guys involved, and they are a much better team when they have everybody involved. So to me, that's going to be the big difference. Can Luca, and I don't want to take away from Boston's defense. They've made things harder on him,

much harder on him than Minnesota did. The matchups are more difficult for him, but I think he can play a steady or more efficient game, and that's going to be the difference. One of the early comps I made with Luca was Carmelo Anthony, not in great shape, not very good in the defensive end, and may have trouble playing with others. There are videos circulating on the internet. I saw one yesterday.

Luca is horrific defensively. It is just not really competing. Now, I think he's better than Mello because it's a three-ball league and he's brilliant. And I also think better ball handler, probably better passer. But that was always the knock on Mello, which is struggles to play with others. doesn't really commit on the defensive end. When I watch those Luca clips against the Celtics, now is it injury or?

Yeah, I think whatever he's dealing with, that's part of it. He's never been a great defender. No. But he's been better over the course of this season than he's ever been. That's the word. And Boston also has enough offensive players and guys with size who can handle where they can go at Luca. And they, that's what they are.

That's what they have done that Minnesota did not do. But they have the personnel to do that. So I'm going to put some of the issues that he's had defensively on where he is physically. But Boston has made a point of exposing that. So good on them for that. I really do not like your Carmelo comparison at all, though. I see the- Melo's going to be, Melo's a Hall of Famer.

I see the similarities. But Luca is a much smarter playmaker in involving everybody and getting things done. In terms of being able to get where they want to go and being three-level scores, I would compare that. And I do think that Carmelo is one of those guys who left a lot on the table in terms of what he could have been. Oh, totally. Right? Yeah.

But I'm not saying it's a perfect comp, but it was when everybody fell in love with Luca, I said the conditioning, the defense, couldn't get along with Brunson. or Porzingis, I said, there's stuff there that I don't love. You know what? This is one element that I agree with in that, and we see it go back and forth with Luca. I think Luca is trying to be a better distributor and teammate. It has been. Yeah, but my problem is when, and we saw it in, we saw a lot of it in game one,

we saw some of it in game two. when things kind of fall apart or they need a boost, he becomes very like, I'm going to do it. And it really kind of, he'll get his numbers and he'll hit some shots, but the rest of the team doesn't play the same way. That's right. And that is, that's what Mello did a lot and would undermine his team. So I'm going to save Jerry West for the end,

because I know you have thoughts on that and no Jerry. the Dan Hurley situation with the Lakers is interesting. So the whole thing felt a little odd. He was going to be on the show today. He's recruiting. He'll be there tomorrow here tomorrow. There's the parts of it that are like, you know, one reporter, Shom said it's JJ's job.

So I want to start with that. JJ had no experience. He was a podcaster. And in order for JJ to work, my take was he better get a great staff. Take me through what you heard about. It's JJ's job. Because now it seems like he's not in the running. Was that true?

Did you believe it was his job? Why did it erode quickly? Why did it regress over the course of like four days? It wasn't his job, but it was what the Lakers wanted to do if they could put the right staff around it. Okay, so the staff meant a lot to the Lakers. A thousand percent. They were like, we can see this working, but we have to have the right guys on the bench.

So what happened? those guys were not willing to be JJ's caddy. I mean, James Brego, Sam Cassell, like those were the guys that they were interviewing, and everybody took it as they're interviewing them for the head coach. They're competing with JJ for the job. No, the Lakers wanted those guys to be on the staff supporting JJ because they've got far more experience.

James DeRago actually has head coaching experience in Charlotte. And those guys, from what I understand, weren't willing to do it either because of the role or the money that was being offered. So they're like, okay, we need to pivot. Like, this isn't going to work. What else can we do? So did they pivot to Hurley, or did Hurley reach out

because he hadn't signed a contract? My understanding is that they pivoted to Hurley because they found out that Hurley had not signed. They thought he had signed. Does the six-year $48 million? They didn't know he was available. And they found out, oh, he might be available. Now, whether Hurley did it with the idea of, I don't like my deal, because the deal that was sitting on his desk that he had not signed, was less than what Bill Self is making in Kansas.

I'm Dan Hurley. I've just won back-to-back championships. I may be going for a third. I should be the highest, like, there shouldn't even be question. I should at least be paid on par with-self's about $10 million a year and Hurley was looking at $7.5-ish. eight. Okay. So, yeah, around there. So he was looking for a little raise. So he was looking for a raise, which I would expect his, like everybody's reporting, he's now signing six years 50. From what the governor of Connecticut has said, like he should be paid on par with Bill South,

I would expect that that deal is going to end up being 10 per. He's going to get that. So he got that essentially out of the Lakers dalliance. And, but I do think, that if the Lakers had come correct, if they had made a can't refuse offer, that they could have got Hurley. I don't think Hurley was just exploring it and using it as leverage to get a better deal and was always planning to go back to Yukon and go after a third championship. I think he saw the opportunity to make the kind of contract that he couldn't possibly make at

at Yukon. And we've gone back and forth on this. Like people think that like, well, you're two-time champion and you can go for a third and you can put yourself in the John Wooden category. Like, that's bigger than being the Lakers coach. Another Lakers coach. I, I respectfully disagree. I, we, we, for all that Hurley did has done at Yukon, like when it was March Madness, we were talking about Hurley. Beyond that, nobody's talking about. Hurley. As soon as he became, oh, he could be the Lakers head coach. It took his cue rating to a different place. I know where the Lakers are. I know the job's not great. But the fact is being the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers is going to resonate

to a greater audience. It's going to make you more visible than however many championships you win in Yukon. Let me push back. Nick Saban was more visible going to the NFL than he tanked. Like more visible's great if you're winning. Understood. More visible being fired is not good for the brand. Okay, but that's what happens after you get there. Right? Like, and if you're Dan Hurley, you're thinking if they give me enough money and they give me enough time, I can make that work. You don't have the success that Dan Hurley has had. If you don't believe that no matter where you go, you can make it work. And he has the track record. He went to Wagner. They were a losing losing program.

They were a winner when he left, top of the conference. Went to Rhode Island, losing record, turned it around, took him to the top, and now with Yukon. So if I'm Dan Hurley, the reason I'm taking the Lakers job is, yeah, I know what it looks like right now, but if you give

me time, I can turn this into a winner because I always have. So I want to talk about Jerry West. I said he was almost singular. There's certainly an argument. He's the greatest executive of all time. Of the four best dynasties, you can argue, he created

three of them. I think he played a bigger role in Golden State, where he said he'd resign if they move Clay for Kevin Love. Where he told them, move off Montailles, get Bogot, get sighs. Where he'd embrace Steph very early. Where he whispered into Katie's ear, you're going to get easier shots out here than you are with

Westbrook. I mean, so I said earlier today, I'm like, I think Michael's probably viewed as the best player. I view Jerry is the best executive. 1A is Pat Riley. That's my worldview on it. Is that inaccurate?

How do you land on Jerry? This is why I'm always amazed when people don't put him in the top three or four all-time Lakers. And it's a combination of what he was as a player and what he was as an executive. And I mean, this news is kind of hard for me because Jerry was, as you said, a singular guy. And you, I would joke about it. Like I would get on the phone with him, and I'd ask him one question. And I'd have a lot of questions for him. I'd ask him one question.

And 45 minutes later, I'm waiting to ask my second question. His breadth of knowledge is. I mean, he just, and it was one of the things that made him so special as an executive because he could talk to great players as a great player. He never lost that feel for what it meant to be a great player, even when he became an executive. And his going and getting, and at the same time, he figured out ways to make the front office numbers details work. I mean, his getting shack from Orlando to the Lakers was no small. feet at that time. That was that was that took a lot of heavy lifting but the the other part was

that for all that he did there was a humility about him. There's no quite I always felt that he never lost. There's a vulnerable I've said this about Tom Brady considering how good he looks and how good he's been there was always sort of a like like Bill runs the show I'm just a quarterback yeah there is a humility to Jerry now Jerry could be very relentless. If you looked at his childhood, all of our childhoods shape our personalities as adults. But there was, I mean, he struck, when he made that

Shaq deal, I can remember reading a story where he said he got sick. It was such a big deal. And Shaq was regarded as literally an immovable unicorn. There was no Shaq. He made the deal. He felt for the bus family,

for the city of Los Angeles, he was so nervous that I guess he got sick physically. I mean, he couldn't watch games. He would get into his car and drive on the freeways and listen to games. Because he couldn't stand just sitting there in the stands watching games. And look, I mean, some of our greatest assets are also our biggest defects, right? Sure, sure.

And what drove him and what kind of fueled that humility was this feeling like, if I don't work as hard as I possibly can, I'm not going to make it. I'm going to lose. I'm going to be, I'm going to not be good enough. And it was almost like a paranoia and an obsession to work as hard as he did. And so that fueled him, but at the time it made him a little crazy, too. I mean, he was known as both the logo and El Loco.

He had both nicknames and lived up to both of them. Man, just a tortured human being in some ways, but just a genuine, I got to tell you, just between losing Bill and now losing Jerry, like those are two guys that were, they brought such a humanity to the league. If you were in the league and you got a chance to know them, that's what made the NBA so special is the fabric of it and the people that you got to know and who they were. Well, the NFL's always been very corporate. Basketball has been the Artist League. It's why I always feel that basketball, NBA basketball, is similar to international soccer. That Messi may be flawed, and Ronaldo's not perfect. But this is an open canvas.

The ball is yours. Make art. Football is diagrammed. A lot of practices. It's marching band. Stay on task. That's right. It's marching band.

Basketball is where our great sports. artists live. Same with international soccer. And so because of that, aesthetics matter. And personality does too. Yeah. Like the personality of somebody is visible and informs how they play. So a flawed player that, I mean, for a long time, Kareem was the best player on the

planet. But he was never really embraced because it was a bit prickly. Dr. J, it was more flavor. There was more color. Or magic. I mean, Magic Johnson. Like, right? So it's like in basketball, these are artists that can, you're going to spill some paint.

Yeah. Like, right? Like, the greatest player shoot 48%. There's a lot of paint to be spilled. And so when I look at Jerry and I look at his, the logo, El Loco, that's part of basketball, his tough childhood. There's also something to be said about small state or small town people who go to big cities have sort of that intuitive fear. like, oh, I'm a little kid small town, and it drives them forever. Jerry always felt a little West Virginia.

A thousand percent. Without question. As long, you could put the suit. I mean, just take a look at that. Like, you can put a suit and tie on him. Small town kid. But he's still got that West Virginia look to him. What's interesting about Jerry is a lot of times as people age, in any industry,

you know, the young don't really listen. Yeah. The young, they're disconnected. It's the old guy. It is fascinating to see the reverence. Michael, Kobe, Durant, LeBron, LeBron. There's a reverence to an mid-80-year-old guy, and I don't know what that is. A big part of it was the fact that as we get older, sometimes we fall into, I know it all.

And this is the way I've done it. and this has been my formula for success. And Jerry was never that way. Yes, when I would ask a question and 45 minutes later, but he wanted to know what I knew. And that's often where the conversation started. He was, to the very end, was looking to pick other people's brains

about what's going on and how things have evolved. He was an amazing listener, and he was old. He never approached. Like when he would approach great players, he would, it wasn't like, let me tell you how this works. He would ask them what's going on. And when you have somebody who's accomplished what Jerry has accomplished, and they want to know first where you're coming from,

now guys feel like you're invested in them as opposed to you're just trying to show them the ropes. No, you understand that this individual's ropes might be different than what I'm. experience let me see how my knowledge applies to their situation it's it's it's nuanced but that was jerry to the very end jerry jerry never thought of himself as the logo right no he pushed it back multiple times he he asked adam silver and david's turn to change it yeah well because he was more like look i i i mean he never lost that i'm the kid from west virginia trying to make it that at his heart was remained and, you know, all of the other stuff didn't change that.

And it was one of the things that made him so a little crazy and a little endearing. Yeah. Rick Buecker, the great Mr. Clutch, Jerry West, the logo passed away at 86 years old, and we're back after this. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. What's up, fam?

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Welcome back. Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings. Super, super smart guy. They call him the tall McVeigh. Played in the NFL, really, really sharp guy. Drafted JJ McCarthy, so fired up to talk to him today. A J. Mac with the news. Oh no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Wow, Kevin, that's a good get. I know your booker's on fire. You think he'll answer questions about trading Justin Jefferson or not? I'm sure that was... Part of the deal. Anyways, let's start with Joe Burrow, who's on the men. Once again, after suffering that season-ending wrist injury,

last season, Burrow has gotten a reputation for being injury-prone, aka Glass Joe, and Burrow recognizes his history of four. his history of fragility so far in his NFL career? It's definitely something I've thought about, yeah. You know, whenever the injuries start to stack up, it's your football mortality kind of comes into the back of your mind. So that's definitely something that I've thought about and something that I've had to fight through.

It's always a challenge. It always is. But, you know, I'm built for it. Our team is built for it. And the people that I have surrounded myself with have been through it with me as well. So I'm excited about the season. I'm excited about what we're going to do. And I'm excited about all the guys we have in the locker end.

You know, in the history of pro sports, it's very rare when you have an all-time great talent. Burroughs getting close to that. Like, you feel like he's totally different. And they're cut short with injuries. It doesn't really happen. I mean, Michael, Jordan, and Brady were hurt early, Stockton, broke a leg early.

But generally speaking... Grant Hill comes to mind. Well, Grant Hill and Andrew Luck, where they just fell apart. Burroughs have been different. His injuries have been like, you know, they're not career ending, but they're repetitive. I mean, we see injured players all the time, but you and I can count like Grant Hill, Andrew Luck, where you're like, this is an all-time potential. Greg Oden.

I don't know if he, I don't know if he was all-time. And also seven-foot guys in the NBA, the history is a lot of them get hurt. Listen, I don't, I'm not a doctor. Wrist surgery, six months ago and he's still on the men? I, does that sound odd? Six months? Oh, wow. That's not great.

Hopefully he's ready to go in September. I mean, we need our quarterbacks healthy in the NFL. And Burroughs one of the best, for sure. Next up, Josh Allen. Let's go to another quarterback coming off, throwing a career high, 18 interceptions last season. However, Alan has tweaked his throwing motion heading into the season in hopes of stepping up his efficiency. I wouldn't call it a complete overhaul of my throwing motion, but definitely some things to work on and clean up,

especially, you know, getting long with my arm and a little bit with my stride. So just trying to clean that up, and any time you go through something like that, sometimes it's going to feel really good. Sometimes it's not going to feel really good. It's just like, you know, changing a swing and golf, you know. As long as you're trusting it and you keep working on it, each and every day, results will come. It's your guy, Josh Allen. You love you some Josh Allen.

Although I got him in our quarterback track. Yeah, I think he's the greatest single talent in the league. I think Mahomes is a combination of the best talent, most efficient, best playmaker. But in terms of just talent, size, power. Yeah, I mean, he's got a, he's bigger than Mahomes, got a strong. He can throw it as far as Mahomes. He can run better than Mahomes. He's just a stronger athlete than Mahomes.

He's just not winning as much. He's got a defensive coach. Patrick's got an offensive coach. That's part of it. I don't know about that. I think Mahomes is much more talented. By the way, Alan's rushing numbers last season were down, despite playing another extra game.

His carries were down. His yards were down. His touchdowns were up. Perhaps a red zone factor. Well, as he learns the position, he can run less. It's like Lamar Jackson. First couple of years, first two, three years,

you run around as you learn the pocket to win games, and then all of a sudden you're four or five, you're like, I'm tired of getting smoked out here. I'm going to run less and throw more. That makes sense, but the two prior years, the bills were better as a team, and they were closer to the Super Bowl. This season, with Allen rushing less,

they were on an uphill climb the entire season just to win the division, right? Can you imagine being a Bills fan? You've had Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas Well, I mean you've had Jim Kelly and Josh Allen And you're still just knocking on the door Like every time the Chiefs

You know, the Chiefs get Len Doss and they win They get Mahomes, they win You know, some of these organizations Like San Francisco, they get Montana, they win They got Steve Young, they win Some of these organizations have won with Nick Foles Can you imagine That's a one-off, come on.

Can you imagine having Jim Kelly, who was completely dominant USFL player, best player in the league by a mile, comes to the NFL, one of the top three players. All of this town, so it's so ramp, teams like Philadelphia have won with Nick Foles at quarterback. Tampa's one with Dilfer. Tampa's one with Brad Johnson. So think about that. Tampa's won Super Bowls. Well, no, Dilpa was in Baltimore.

My bad. So Tampa's won Super Bowls. They won't with Brad Johnson. With a very old Brady out of his prime and Brad Johnson. The Ravens have won with Dilfer and Joe Flacco, an older Joe Flacco, and the bills have had Jim Kelly and Josh Allen, and they're knocking on the door. That is frustrating.

It's tough to win championship. It's really hard. Final story is the NBA, the Lakers still reeling from Danny Hurley, stiff-arming them and saying no to the head coaching offer. Now everybody expects JJ Reddick to. be the guy. However, according to Yahoo Sports, Reddick may not want the job anymore saying some folks around the league feel Reddick won't want to be involved in this circus and he won't want to be a second choice. Now that's interesting. Now listen, I floated to Buker during the commercial

break of theory about Polinka being in trouble here. If they don't land Redick, this search will have been an epic disaster. Well, then they just get what they've had. in recent years, which is a guy, which is a... Yeah, after high-profile swings and misses for the Lakers, the glamour franchise in the NBA. I know you don't think it's a great job, and apparently Zach Lowe has your back, and, you know, he's like, Lakers isn't a great job. It isn't a great job. You think this is crazy when I say this.

What constitutes a great job in... Just forget, not even NBA. What constitutes great job? You've either got a great owner of the company, really good management, and you have capital. Like your company has money. So you have one of the poorest owners with the Lakers. We're hot and cold on their executive branch. And they have very little draft capital.

And by the way, because of AD and LeBron, they don't have any money either. So, I mean, forget basketball. What makes a great job? Ownership, strong management. and capital. What do they have? I'm sorry, Brand Sears used to be a big brand. J.C. Penny was a big brand.

I don't care about brand. Now, in baseball, I would say the Yankees brand in their history, the minute they win, money floods in. And in the NBA, the Lakers brand can get them the occasional free agent. But when you have LeBron and A.D. for the next three years, because the Lakers will sigh LeBron, the league is not allowing you a third great player. the new CBA will not allow it.

So I would push back against ownership and management, especially in the NBA. So Doc Rivers is on his sofa. He's calling games and the Milwaukee Bucks fire Griffin and say, hey, Doc, do you want to come coach? Hell yes, I will come and coach Janus, one of the best players in the lead. You got a call and says, hey, do you want to come coach LeBron and AD? It's a bit of a circus, but you get two all NBA players. You're jumping at that opportunity. Clearly not.

Well, and that's where I start to wonder, Why would Hurley, I still don't get why he's staying in Connecticut for $20 million less. Well, I mean, again, you say it's $20 million less. First of all, he's somewhere that's great, going to somewhere that's chaotic. Their Lakers are not great. Sorry, look at the West. They're not great. Right.

So you're leaving great for chaotic. You're leaving home for 3,000 miles away. You're leaving family and momentum for none. Family or momentum. You start the family out west. Come on, what's wrong with that? And by the way, speaking of chaos, you said chaos with the Lakers, NIL is chaos. Constantly recruiting your guys is chaos.

The NIL crew. It can be unless you're Georgia football or Yukon basketball. Maybe. The transfer portal can be chaos, but it's not with, I mean, if you start looking at like Oregon, Texas football, Ohio, state, it's not really that chaotic. They get who they want. And Yukon, Duke during Mike, Coach Kay's reign, Bill Self, Kansas, they get who they want. It's not chaos for everybody.

It's chaos for a large percentage. But I think you're undervaluing family tradition. I can, I'd say this. I know so many West Coast people, myself included, that have moved east and loved lots of things about it. I love the summers and falls. I love the people. I love the principled, traditional nature of the East.

I love it. Okay. I get that. West Coast people. For East Coast people, a lot of them move west when they're the black seat and the family. Things aren't great at home. They can get better opportunities because they don't quite getting the opportunity out east. But the East is more traditional than the West.

It's more family-oriented. It's more historic. So what you don't see a lot is people that are super successful out east. They run their law firm. They're the, you know, they are super successful saying, let's pack it up and go west. A lot of East that moves West is because you're finally being given an opportunity. This is not going to be the last opportunity for Dan Hurley. Certainly.

Now, Reddick is a guy who's moved around the league as a player, right? Went to Duke. I don't know that the whole east to west thing applies to him. Maybe he wants to. Not Reddick. But I'm talking Hurley. For Reddick, should he take this job? You know how some people just feel like a region?

Yeah. Right? I mean, just some people. Dan Hurley feels like the Northeast. I would agree. I mean, just say this. Steve Spurrier felt like the South. Fair.

But is that a good thing? Well, it is a thing. Why would you want anybody to put you in a box? and say, Steve's free. By the way, by the way, Steve Jobs felt like Silicon Valley. He felt like an entrepreneur the West. Okay. What do you?

I am amenable to change. I feel like America. I hope I don't feel like the Northeast or... Dan Hurley feels his personality, his intensity, his family, his wife. He feels like an East Coast. As humans, we're supposed to constantly be evolving. Well, that doesn't mean I... You're not supposed to stay the same person you've been.

No, no. Evolving doesn't mean I can't... Do I have to move? You can evolve and not move. Silicon Valley evolves every hour. Doesn't mean you have to pack up Apple and move it to Bloomington, Indiana. I think it's a little harder for Hurley to change and evolve when you're in that same bubble you've been in for 30 years. Yeah, by the way, and look at all the success he's had. Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon.

He didn't need to move because he's not succeeding. He's crushing it everywhere he goes in the East. crush it anywhere. Smart people can dominate anywhere. Come on. West Coastal... Well, more challenging. Oh, Hurley didn't want the challenge? Didn't want the challenge of coaching the circus? Huh? Hurley?

Oh, yeah. That sounds fun. Hey, Dan, here's our sales pitch. You want the challenge of coaching a circus? Bring it on! No, thanks. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Now, the attendance is still a challenge, but the ratings are fine. Ratings are very, very strong. And the quality of football when you mesh two leagues together is, pretty good. So tonight's Mavs Celtics. I like Dallas to win game three convincingly. I think Tatum plays well, but I think the role players, Kyrie Irving, will also be very good tonight for Dallas, and I think they win. But I'll say it again. Go back to 2021, Milwaukee Phoenix. Phoenix feels a lot like Boston. Milwaukee feels like Dallas. Milwaukee got blown out twice. then went back home.

Janus, like Luca now, was banged up. Boston was considered the better constructed team, but their star, Booker and now Tatum, you're not quite sure if you trust them in the big moments to be the guy. The undisputed best player in this series was no question, Janus. The undisputed best player in this series is absolutely Luca. And then Milwaukee went back home, Dallas going home, Milwaukee roasted Phoenix by 20.

I think it was 120 to 100 or something like that. It was a roast him. And I think Dallas could do the same tonight. Very similar situations is that we saw this guy Booker, but everybody was like big score, but what else? We see this with Tatum, fills the box score. Do you trust him late? And Porzingis's injury is a real thing.

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high-end offensive player, even with Horford off the bench. Derek White, like, no, we need another high-end score. We hear he's not a great locker room guy. We know he gets hurt a lot. But Brad Stevens told you, he coached Tatum, he knew Tatum, he traveled with Tatum, he saw the tape, he knew Tatum. We need another, not that Tatum and Brown aren't elite scores. We need another closer.

Now, that closer is potentially gone. Now, if Porzingis plays, Boston's going to win the series. I think if Porzinger plays, not just tonight, but if he took tonight off and played the rest of the series, I take Boston. I still pick Boston and six. But there's a reason Porzengis is there, that Tatum's coach and now GM is like, no, we need another elite score. All right? You never said that with Jordan. You got stuff that Jordan didn't have or didn't do.

We'll get a Rodman. We'll get somebody that can just play defense or somebody that can just hit a three. Jordan was never a great three-ball shooter. Same with Kobe. But with Tatum, you're going out and getting another guy that could be a one on any night. So I think the idea that, well, we're fine without Porzingus. No, you're fine without Porzingis in the Eastern Conference playoffs. You're not fine without Porzingis for the rest of the series against Dallas.

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