The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Getting prepared for the big game

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Colin ranks the 10 best players in the Chiefs-Eagles rematch this Sunday How both teams are most likely preparing for the Super Bowl   Guests: Matt Hasselbeck, Drew BreesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we are live in the Crescent City. Great drone shots. friends at fox Matt Hasselbeck will be joining us in a couple of minutes as we get ready for the Super Bowl which I do believe will look a little

bit like that Seahawks' stacked roster against the New England Patriots for the lesser roster but the legendary coach and quarterback. I think we're going to be here for an all-time great one. I think Philadelphia's roster is the best since that Seahawks team that had everybody. From Russell Wilson

to Marshawn Lynch to Richard Sherman to Cam Chancellor, Pete Carroll had come into the Seahawks at a college. He'd hit on multiple third, fourth, fifth, six-round picks. And that's where we stand today. J. Mack, every time we have a big game, I take out the yellow pad, and I give you my favorite 10 players in the game. The 10 best players, and it's tough because I'll just tell you, Travis Kelsey doesn't make

it. It's not because he couldn't be the MVP, but I just don't see it happening. So here we go. Here's who I believe are the 10 best players in this game, and number one is not a big shock. I think it's Patrick Mahomes, who was not necessarily great against Houston, but I've said this with MJ. There are certain players in these big moments that are not burdened by pressure. It's almost as if Mahomes needs the playoff intensity to elevate himself.

Nine consecutive postseason wins, he's number one. I think number two, it's the historic Saquan Barclay. When he went to Philadelphia with that old line, we said, folks, the Giants have just made a franchise mistake that is egregious. 14 games this year with 100 plus rush yards. Now, obviously, some of that is the offensive line. He's just different. He's just a different player.

Running backs are hard to describe because all the great ones have had stylistically kind of a different bent, speed, ability to make you miss, jump over through Saquan Barclay at 2. I would put Chris Jones number 3. When you're a defensive lineman and can move anywhere on the defensive line and you're unblockable on the end, you're unblockable on the interior, He was the highest graded interior defensive linemen this season, including the playoffs. You know, remember when they weren't sure if they were going to pay Chris Jones?

And I believe the future of the NFL, you're seeing this a lot, is teams will pay one great defensive lineman, but pay most of the money on offense. Chris is number three for me. Number four is, I think Jalen Carter is virtually unblockable. He's not Chris Jones in terms of consistency yet, but he led the team in pressures, tackles for loss, quarterback's hits, and he's got an Aaron Donald vibe, which you have to start your offensive game plan with, okay, how do we get Jalen Carter out of the picture? I'd put him at four. Jordan Malata, the highest-grated offensive tackle, I would put him at five. We'll get

to Tune in a second. I would put Jordan Maladette, who was the highest-grossed tackle in the regular season. Now, listen, Philadelphia's offensive line, they do offensive lines really, really well. And so you could do multiple players on this, including Lane Johnson. But I think, you know, only two sacks allowed this year and only one during the regular season in 500 opportunities to pass block. So, and you remember, you're blocking the best athlete, some would say on the defense. Number six, Joe Tunney, he's the best pass blocking left guard in football. Again, when Kansas City went and spent that money in New England, right? And they went and bought him. Everybody said, whoa, that is a lot.

lot for a guard. Well, they move this guy due to injuries out to left tackle. He's a lead at left tackled as well. And I do believe that Tooney and the ability to protect Mahomes, Mahomes's only lost one game ugly in his life in the playoffs when he didn't get protection against Tom Brady and Tampa. I think number seven is A.J. Brown, again, you sometimes forget how good Phillies wide receivers are because there's such a power run game. But he was top 10 in missed tackles. And I think his physicality is really important because I think Kansas City is the best tackling team in the league. That's just an eye test. I don't have data to back that up, but A.J. Brown is number seven. Eight, Trent McDuffie, Kansas City. Tremendous corner.

Second highest-gritted cornerback during the regular season. Again, they're going to put him, they're going to put him on A.J. Brown and say, I mean, I think you have to. With DeVonte Smith, A.J. Brown, Dallas Goddard. Get out. to have some one-on-one matchups and that's one Kansas City has to win. I would put Zach Vaughn at nine. The guy's unbelievable. He was a special teams player. He's tremendous in coverage. I think he's one of the surprise players of the year. In-pass coverage this year, this is such a great stat. He's allowed a 69 passer rating. That's about as good as a linebacker can do. And number 10, Jalen Hertz. Again, when you put pressure on Jalen Hertz, he regresses significantly. But here's

the thing. It's hard to get pressure on Jalen Hertz because of the O-line and the run game. So there you have my top 10. I think it comes out to four Chiefs and six Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Goddard. I mean, there's a lot of people. I'm leaving out unbelievable corners for Philadelphia, Mitchell. I mean, again, there's 16 guys here who should make the list. But a couple years ago I did this with San Francisco and Kansas City and I got the same dilemma. there's Hall of Famers that may not make the list. Travis Kelsey could be the MVP of the game, or we could have two catches. So I know it.

I love my offensive lineman. Matt Hasselbeck's looking to be like, you went cray. Anything, 18 years in the league, you've been in these Super Bowls. Your thoughts on the list? It's heresy, man. What the heck? I mean, I know we're near Bourbon Street here. Have you been drinking this morning?

You had some of those calling Cowherd old fashions, I think. shoot, man, this is disrespectful to the chiefs. It's disrespectful to the tight end position. It's an impossible ask, though, like what you're asking to do, like make this list. It's an impossible ask. But no, you're leaving off, I mean, literally a handful of guys that could be Super Bowl MVP. Dallas Goddard. We talked about them.

Dallas, that's the hate, you know, the tight end you people are going to be very upset with you. So if you see them on Bourbon Street, you know, hide yourself. Because Dallas got, you know, what's interesting about tight end is as a kid growing up, it really wasn't. I mean, there's players out there like Kellynne Winslow who jumped off your TV set. Yeah. But for years and years, tight ends have been arguing. We're getting used like wide receivers and we're forced to block pass. Yeah.

So when people lament what running backs make, I always say, tight ends are asked to block. And I think in this game, I think there'll be huge components because I think the cornerback play, Matt, is so good in this game that it may. be a Goddard that gets free or a Travis Kelsey. No doubt. And it used to even be when you would put a coaching staff together in the NFL or college football. You would almost take the weak link of your coaching staff. Like a guy that's like maybe someday could be a O-line coach or maybe he'd make him the tight ends coach. Now other people didn't do that. They did the total opposite. They said, no, this is like the most important position coach you could have because he's got

to be an expert in everything blocking and he's got to see everything in the passing game like a quarterback. I just got done doing an interview about Andy Reid. And I talked about, like, well, tell me what he was like as a quarterback coach, because he was my position coach, my first year in the NFL with the Green Bay Packers. And it's funny, he had been previously for two years to groom him to be the quarterback coach for Brett Favre. What did Mike Holmgren hire him to do? He hired him to be the tight ends coach.

You know, he was the guy whether it was Keith Jackson or Mark Chumura, in the nuances of teaching Brett Fav how to get us into the perfect run, and also teaching these guys how to like unlock the passing game. And that's what I think the new NFL is. Nickel defense, dime defense, the way that people have really counteracted that is these Travis, Kelsey, Dallas Goddard types. We're not a liability in the run game. And we're absolutely a threat and a weapon in the passing game.

And I think this is one of the great tight end matchups that we've ever had, actually. So it's one of the reasons why you don't even notice the disrespect that you have Jalen Hurts at number 10. Anyway. So you were in the 2005 Super Bowl with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Remember it well. It was probably the only Super Bowl where I thought

officiating really hurt you guys. In fact, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, I think I've told you this, they ran a poll in Pittsburgh. And even Pittsburgh Steelers fans were like, yeah, the Seahawks kind of got a host. Let's go back to it, though. The prep, the extra time, the pressure. Did it affect you?

Did you get into your head? Is it too much time off? No, but you're a creature of habit, right? It's like Pavlov's dog. Like seven days, you're like, I'm ready to go. Like, you're, like, ready to play a game. And I think you've seen coaches talk about the danger of doing too much. You put the game plan in that first week, and then you practice it.

And, like, I thought Mike Holmgren did an amazing job in our Super Bowl. He had been coached in San Francisco, Joe Montana, Steve Young, coached in Super Bowls with Brett Favre. He made a rule for the coaches. We're not going to put, if we're, we're going to put extra stuff in, something's got to come out. So if there's 242 plays in the game plan, then you want to, you go, oh, we got a great play that's going to work. Fine, something's got to come out.

And so, like, I think you heard Sean McVeigh talk about his first Super Bowl up against the Patriots. He, I think he used that extra week in a way that he learned from the second time around. So, yeah, I think there's, there's certainly that's a thing with that extra week. You got to be careful not to do too much. Yeah, because if you add too much to a player, players play faster when they have to think less. If you add more, the moment's already pressurized. These guys are already a little nervous, a little tentative. And Pete Carroll used to always say, when it was at USC's, like, the less I put on

them, the faster my players get. And I think that's important in games. I mean, I've talked to players who play in the Super Bowl, and they're like, I remember the anthem. The first series is kind of blurry to me. Is it like that to you? Like it's just cameras and flashing lights. The way that I would describe it in this matchup, because both teams have kind of been here, right? Everyone, talks about Andy Reed off of the by, right? In their regular season, there's a lot of teams that they don't play well off of a buy. Like, what is it? Like, they look rusty. They look like they did too like something's off. Sometimes you can do too much in the weight room. You've got a strength and conditioning staff that says, oh, you didn't play a game this week. So we're going to work a little

extra hard in the weight room, do some new exercises. That all of a sudden, like, my glutes are sore in places I didn't even know I had muscles. And I'm like, dude, I don't feel good off of the by. Why don't I feel good off of the buy? But Andy Reid, he's got a template. It's that old Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren. He's tweaked it and made it his own. And his team is always ready to play, whether they played a game seven days before or not.

And so I just think, again, like, you know, this Super Bowl schedule that is a thing, you know, the half times longer, the pregame's different, the week is different. Your family's with you. He's on it. Like, this is just like he could probably recite it from memory kind of thing.

Like they're so used to it. You know, I was talking about Mahomes. I can remember watching MJ when he played, and it was the Sun series, and I was talking to a friend, and I said, you know, he's not the best shooter. He's not the strongest player. He's not the best ball handler, not the best passer. But he was just six-six of relentless. Like he played so hard, and he was so aggressive and so physical.

And Mahomes doesn't have the natural gift of sometimes like a Marino. He doesn't run like Lamar. He's not as big as Josh Allen. He's got the dad-bod. There is something, though, when I watch him in these big games, like suddenly in the AFC championship, he rushed 11 times. How long did it take you to watch him before you went from, oh, this kid's talented to, wow, this is historic stuff.

Because you've played with guys, you know, Favre. Farr's arm was ridiculous. I mean, Brett was throwing stuff back foot that didn't make sense. I mean, when did you hit on Mahomes? You're like, okay, this is better than just a Pro Bowl player. Well, first off, I'd like to just as to stand up for all the doubt. bad bods out there. I'd like to use the phrase father figure, like, just first off, because quarterbacks, there is some truth to, like, taking a beating and kind of the protection

that you need. But, but, no, I think for me, there's two things that really, I feel like, have taken Patrick Mahomes from who he was in college, and then he had a year. He had, like, 17 games where Alex Smith was the starter. And taking him to where he, you know, how he became Patrick Mahomes. And it's two things. It's his intelligence, not. number one. Like he recognizes things pre-snap that matter. Like his eyes are in the right spot. You hear him. All these offensive linemen are miced up now with natural sound. So you, I mean, literally I would enjoy watch, I would enjoy listening to Patrick Mahomes play a game. I don't even need to watch it. Hearing him. Like, hey, rip Liz, rip Liz, you know, sort sift, sort, sift,

hey, safety's coming. Like, all that kind of stuff. That is the next level stuff for, for me. You know, people are going to say, oh, he's a great runner, he's got a great arm, all that stuff. I think he beats you with his mind. Also, the other thing is his cadence. Like, cadence is a weapon. It's like one of the very first things you learn as a quarterback. You need to use your cadence as a weapon. To manipulate?

Like, well, it's two things. Number one, it's protecting your offensive line. So if they got to go against Jalen Carter and you're always going to go on one every time, wide 80, why did he said, after a while, he's getting a jump. We no longer have the advantage as an offense, all right? And so they got to watch the ball. They can't be listening to your cadence. And then number two, using it to figure out what the safeties are doing.

There was a lot of talk last, you know, in the championship game about Josh Allen said, I didn't know the corner was coming, right? Like, he didn't see that corner blitz on that last play. He used a longer cadence. And it's hard to do on the road. But I think this is one of the areas where Patrick Mahomes, he doesn't get enough credit. He is unbelievable between the ears before the ball is even snapped.

And for me, that's way more important than what he is as a thrower. You know, I was saying, I feel I sort of know what Kansas City has to do defensively. Of all the elements of the game is that Jalen Hertz, under pressure, is not close to the same quarterback as comfortable Jalen Hertz. So Spaggs is going to put up some exotics. He's going to dial some stuff off. You want to get Jalen Hertz off his spot. He's just not the same player.

You can't do that with Mahomes. To your point. It's like blitzing Brady and his pride. You're just asking to get burned. So I kind of feel like I know Spaggs is going to be aggressive. That's the one thing I know. The one thing I do think about, I know the Eagles' corners are exceptional, but they're rookies.

And I do feel like the Super Bowl is a little different that you may, whether it's bite on something, to not want to get burned, that I could see Mahom's saying, okay, prove it. Would you think about, even if they're pro, even if they've had great years, just the fact that they're rookies in a Super Bowl, there's nothing to compare that to in college. No doubt, no doubt. But I think this is an Eagles defense that's playing with a ton of confidence.

And sometimes it's okay that you're so confident, you don't know really what you're up against. I mean, they are up against, in my mind, like a serious, like, this offense is legit. We don't even talk about DeAndre Hopkins, one of the best receivers that's ever played. Like the speed of Xavier Worthy, like all of these guys could break out. So double moves, creative offense. But there's something that you fear as a quarterback. One of the things I feel like I feared sometimes as a quarterback was a corner that doesn't know,

hey, you shouldn't be jumping that. Like, you shouldn't be sitting on this route. Like, hey, you know I could go over the top. But, like, usually you're not going over the top. So you're like, okay, if I have an out route here, or if I have an in route here, you should be playing deep. It's three deep, you know, or two deep. You're one of the two guys.

Stay deep. But sometimes those guys that feel confident and they just want to go make a play and their coaches have empowered them, no, you know, hey, anything can happen. And that's not a great feeling for a quarterback. So Tom Brady came on my show about a week ago, and he said, one of my great Super Bowl memories was we put in three plays.

He goes, we faced the Seahawks. And I've compared this to the New England Seahawk game, where Mahomes is probably looking at this defense and thinking, they're not a lot of soft spots. So I could see Andy putting in something Saturday night. Did you have in your Super Bowl against the very good Steelers team? And remember that was a defensive team? Was there anything that a home grin is saying, like, listen, Matt,

we're going to throw away. How much can you change on a Saturday night? I think, you know, my Super Bowl, both teams changed right away. I completed the first five passes of the game to Daryl Jackson. He was our wide receiver on the same side as the tight end. I only did that because I was trying to get Dijack the MVP of the game. I had made a deal with him earlier in the year. He was coming back from an injury.

He was like, hey, man, I'm trying to come back for the Super Bowl. I want to be Super Bowl MVP. He made it back before that. I go, Dijack, I will make it my mission to help you get the MVP. I just want to start him out, get him going. guy that was important to me. Dick Leboe, he probably thought, oh, shoot, they see a weakness over it. He clouded that side the whole time, screwed up my own game plan, really. And so we had to put in plays on the fly to counteract that. So, I mean, yes, our halftime adjustments and even

first quarter or series adjustments going to happen in this game, no doubt about that. Here's my biggest thing, though. Like, the Saquan, this stopping Saquan is really the head scratcher because it's not about it's about scheme but it's about angles and just like tackling that's really the deal here. Chiefs are a good tackling team. You need to be a great tackling team

and it can't be like what a lot of teams have tried to do against Philly where they just stack the box. You stack the box and he gets through that first level. It's him on a safety in space and we've seen what he does. He takes an eight yard run to a 68 yard run that's the game. Like that is literally the game. So I don't

know like yes aggressive but like I just think this is going to be even more than aggressive. It's going to be an intelligent game plan that wins and also a complimentary football game that wins. So meaning when I'm on offense, I need to think about the fact that if Philly goes into, you know, shove it down your throat, run it down on a long drive, maybe we got to, we can't play like we want to play. We might have to be a little time more time of possession, understanding what our defense is going up against on the other side of the ball in the run game. As a player, are you rooting for history? Or do you kind of like, as a former player in a game like this,

I don't remember if you were an underdog or a favorite against Pittsburgh, probably an underdog, were you? Well, knowing how gambling goes, we might have been an underdog, but we were the one seat and they were the wild card team. So I do know there were more Pittsburgh fans that day in the stadium. I do know that. So when you look at this, is there part of you that is pulling for something, or do you just look at it as I want to see a great game?

You know what I'm having a hard time letting go, and I just need to let it go. I wish Sakein would have gone for the record. Like, I wish you would have gone for the Eric Dickerson record. And, you know, we talked about at the time, like, what do you want to do? Should we, you know, let him stay healthy and, like, our goals to hoist to Lombardi. Like, I get that. But we live that a little bit in 05 when we went to the Super Bowl. We had the one seed locked up.

Sean Alexander was going for the touchdown record. We were trying to get him the NFL MVP. and Mike Holmgren did just such a good job of making that award. Yes, it's an individual award. It's Sean's award. But he did such a good job of, I think, like, just gassing up our O line and our fullback, Max Strong and our wide receivers in the blocking downfield that I really think it meant something. It was like a feather in the cap to everybody.

And so I just, the year that Philly had with this offensive line and just all of it, Just all of it. All of it. Jalen Hurch gets credit for this, too. I just, I wish they were getting the opportunity to leave here with the Lombardi and also with that record. That would have been, you know, I got to let it go. But I wish they would have done that.

It was great seeing you at the volume party last night. I, recovering from a slight illness, had to drink ginger ale. You were needy. I was really hoping last week. I was hoping for a Michael Jordan flu game out of you. A little soft coward, a little soft coward, a little soft. Awesome. Mahomes is MJ.

I'm not. I'll tell you right now. Great to see you, buddy. As always, Matt Hasselbeck on Bourbon Street, Drew Breeze this hour to Mark Sanchez, live in New Orleans. It's the Herr. One more Herd?

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's go to the Chief's wide receiving corps. They haven't had a true number one this year. Rishi Rice went down in week four. they brought in D'Andre Hopkins, alongside Juju Smith-Schuster, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown. But really, they don't have a top target, Colin, and Juju Smith-Schuster believes that defines their selfless wide receiver roof. We'll look at the bigger picture of the goal in mind.

Raising up that trophy is always better than being a number one guy on the team. Interesting new way to look at the wide receiver position. Hey, we don't want to star, we don't want to pay them a ton. We're just going to do it by committee, and it seems to be working for Casey. also think there is less reluctance to pay offensive linemen because the better teams are doing it. And I think if you look at Philadelphia, they're paying their own line. I think Kansas City, Joe Tuny, they went all in on the guard. I think the Rams have paid guards, Detroit Lions, all pay anything that rewards and protects the quarterback. And wide receivers don't do that.

I also think there's a reality, a weather reality, is that offensive linemen and running backs are more valuable in January than a deep threat. And I also think sometimes when you get a number one receiver, I remember Dak with Des, Dak felt sort of beholden, right? Get me the ball, yeah. Des is like, I want the ball. And I think Josh Allen got tired of that in Buffalo.

He's like, I want to just go into a play with the ability to be free. What's scary about the Chiefs, Xavier Worthy appears to be becoming a one. Rishie Rice became a one. became a one before he got hurt. So this void receiver is officially over starting next September, where Worthy and Rice, if not dominant ones, have the volume capability to be ones,

and they'll have two of them. I just submitted my prop bet picks for Fox Sports.com, and I have Worthy as the guy to watch for over receptions, because they line them up everywhere, right? Backfield, slot, out wide. I think he's the guy who's a bit of a problem matchup for the Eagles. Let's move on to the Patriot. your team of destiny next year.

Mike Vrable in his first year back in New England. Everybody's excited in Foxborough, especially quarterback Christian Gonzalez. He talked about the culture change, saying, I've heard it's going back to what they call the Patriot Way. For me, I'm ready.

Colin, Patriot Way? Do we think this is good? I have no trepidation saying the most improved team in the NFL next year will be New England. You made fun of me on my Washington Broncos This is a 10-win team next year. We'll have to do a stake wager on that one.

There's no way they're sniffing 10 wins. They have the fourth pick in the draft. We got Drake May as the foundational piece. And the most salary cap. They do have cap-roof. They can go by four elite players. And you think Vrable can turn them from four wins last year to 10, a six-le-proof? Yeah, because I think the Jets, we don't know if Aaron Glenn's going to work.

Miami. I think we've seen the best of them. I think we both agree with Buffalo. It's hard to keep being a 12 or a 13 win regular season team. You know, it's one of those things you see it in the NBA sometimes. You get these young teams and they're really motivated in the regular season. They get a title and they pull back. Buffalo doesn't.

But I kind of look at Buffalo as, okay, we've been a dominant regular season team. We have to build this thing for January so I can see a little bit of a different-looking bills team kind of like Kansas City. Kansas City feels like they experiment a little in September, October, early November, and then they get it right post Thanksgiving. So I think it's wide open in that division for New England to surprise people. Again, they have to spend the money wisely. They need more tight ends.

Another running back. They need the left tackle. I'd put the money on offense and draft the defense. So we know the jets are a mess, but what do you make of the – can they pass the dolphins? Because remember, Tyreek Hill said he wants out. Doesn't seem like that's going to happen. McDaniel may be on the hot seat, Colin. Yeah, I think we've seen the best of Miami.

I think this was a media creation more than a reality. And I think Miami pulls back. Boy, shots fired. All right, final story is over to the NBA. Trade deadline is today. And a lot of chatter about Kevin Durant possibly being on the move, perhaps to the Warriors. However, Jimmy Butler ended up in Golden State last night.

And according to Shams, NBA reporter, KD has zero interest in returning to the Bay. That is a bit of a surprise to me. Like Kevin Durant says, I don't want to go back there. Were you surprised by that? Who would you rather play with Devin Booker and Bradley Beale or Steph Curry? Well, I think he's been there, done that. A lot of people, I don't know, I just feel like that was a chapter in KD's life.

And I don't think it's that redeemable as a second chapter. I also think Steph's an older, Steph. Dremont, there are rumors out there. I saw one of the trade speculation stories this morning when I got it. up that Draymond could have been traded. So, I mean, I think it's Steph and everybody else they're looking. I think the warriors now are as good as they can be, which is, you know, Steph's going to give you offensive wizardry.

Butler, when he's healthy, is going to give you incredible effort. I think they still have some offensive limitations. Butler's not a great natural score. And I get the KV thing. I don't know. I mean, listen, the BEO piece is. is the one for Phoenix that's more problematic. That hasn't worked.

KD to Phoenix. KD is fine in Phoenix. Is he? They got swept last year by Minnesota. Swept in the first ride. He got swept in Brooklyn by the Celtics. Like, we talk about him as a top 10, 15 player all time. He can't win a playoff game at this stage in his career.

He's with Devin Booker and Beals? Colin, there's a chance they don't even make the playoffs this year. Kevin Durant, that would be awful. Who is giving up, I mean, I love KD, but who's giving up a ton for KD? I mean, you don't think renting KD to be your number two or number three? would be amazing right now? He'd be your number one on 90% of the team. I don't know.

There's not many teams he's the two. I mean, he's the one on everything except the Lakers. Who's the one in Phoenix? He is. He sure doesn't act like it in the huddle. He's not a leader. Well, that's not, he's never been that guy. Can you be a one if you're not a leader?

Well, I mean, Luca's a one and was in bad shape and doesn't play defense. Yeah, but on the court, he's the man. You know, we know that. I'm excited, by the way, Luca, LeBron. We've got to go to a Lakers game, man. Oh, no, now it's fun. Now I'm interested. J. Mac with the news.

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First time, yeah. So far so good. There's a lot of good. Walkable City, love it. Matt Hasselbeck stopped by. By the way, he was in a Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers. that Pittsburgh team won the game. Big Ben, kind of a conservative offensive effort. Seattle had a great O-line, great run game. Matt Hasselbeck. He talked about preparing for the Super Bowl

and the extra time. Put the game plan in that first week and then you practice it. And like I thought Mike Holmgren did an amazing job in our Super Bowl. He had been coach he coached in San Francisco, Joe Montana, Steve Young coached in Super Bowls with Brett Favre. He made a rule for the coaches. is we're not going to put, if we're going to put extra stuff in, something's got to come out. So if there's 242 plays in the game plan, then you want to, you go, oh, we got a great play that's going to work. Fine, something's got to come out. Yeah, and I think it's such, it's such a pressurized moment that, you know, these are young athletes. And you would understand if they were a little anxious, a little nervous, maybe they forget something,

the game, the lights, the flashes, it's in their head. so I like the idea. Mike Holmgren saying, listen, you can put plays in, but we're taking stuff out. Drew Brees, 20 years in the NFL, 15 years here in New Orleans. That is interesting. You have an encyclopedic memory and knowledge of this stuff, but go back to your Super Bowl week.

You obviously, you have extra time, you have Sean Payton, you put stuff in. Did you take stuff out, or did you go into your Super Bowl, Drew, with just more plays than you'd ever had in your life? No, I don't remember the volume being an issue of that week because, you know, quite honestly, the Colts defense, which wasn't that complicated. You know, that was back at the time when they were very much like Tampa 2 and we're just going to allow our pass rushers, Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis to get after you, right? And then we've got good players in the secondary that are just going to keep it in front of them and we're just going to kind of manage. the game because we know we have a high scoring offense, you know, on the other side. So I don't

remember the volume being an issue necessarily as far as the volume of plays in the game plan. It was more so, I think, for us, like our success we knew was, number one, we need to steal a possession in this game, right, which we did at the start of the second half, with that onside kick that we called ambush. But it was really more so, like, how do we create a rhythm, you know, with our offense against these guys? And, and a level of patience. because look, we were a big play offense too. We were used to, you know, kind of those, you know, big play shots down the field.

And I think we just recognized, hey, these guys don't really give that to us. So we're going to have to run the ball effectively. We're going to hit them with the screen game to try to slow down the pass rush. And then we're just going to be methodical with the passing game, which we were super efficient in the past game. And, oh, by the way, what that does is it also chews up the clock, and it keeps one of the best players in the world off the field on the other side in Peyton Manning. So quite honestly, I see that very much like what Philadelphia's game plan should be against the Chiefs this week, which is run the ball, possess the ball, chew up the clock, wear down that defense, and keep the best player in the world, Patrick Holmes, off the field on the other side.

You know, it's interesting because I would think a guy like you, and you mentioned Peyton Manning, both of you very cerebral, I would think short weeks would drive you crazy, and you would love an extra day or a buy or Super Bowl, because you could just fill your brain with more information. So to you, extra time. Like to you was at a kid in a candy store, it's like, hey, I got more time to, like exercise, efficiency. How did you look at it? Well, sometimes too much time results in over analysis, right? Right.

And then it's paralysis by overanalysis, right? So, honestly, I felt like we had a great plan, which was, hey, two weeks prior to the Super Bowl. So the first week, honestly, was a lot of just good on good competition with our team. Like, we really didn't get into a lot of the game planning for the Indianapolis Colts. Yes, we were watching film, and yes, we were starting to have. an idea of, you know, how we were going to attack them. But we did not install our game plan against the Colts in the week prior to the Super Bowl. We waited until we actually got to Miami, which is where we played it.

And we, because we wanted to, we wanted to have as normal a work week as possible, right? Like, that's the, that's the toughest thing about the Super Bowl is how do you make the Super Bowl a normal work week? You're in a foreign place, practicing in a different facility that you have to bus to. you're in a hotel where there's all kinds of chaos going on. Like how do you order the chaos? How do you create some normalcy in a routine? And so we did like good on good, competitive, man, weight room. That was like our first week, right?

And then the minute we arrived in Miami, it was like, all right, here we go. Flip the switch, game plan, Wednesday's base, Thursday's third down, Friday's red zone short yardage goal line. Saturday, hazed in the barn, man, quick walk through, jog through. Boom, we got it in our mind. Let's go win a football game. You know, it's interesting. Brady and Hasselbeck both talked about this on the show,

and this is what has always been fascinating, is that you guys watch so much film, and Hasselbeck talked about Holmgren adding something late in the week. Brady came on and said, we placed that Seahawk team that had no weaknesses. We came up with three new plays the night before, just because he goes, I didn't trust our red zone packages. Did Sean, with you, Drew, say, listen, I found something on tape?

Or did you say, you know, Sean, we got a clean, something up. Anything Saturday night happened? Yeah, it would from time to time. And a lot of that was just, you know, Sean and my routine of I would always go back on Saturday morning, which was, again, our

just kind of walk-through day. You know, walk through the game plan, the first 15 plays of the game, you know, kind of hit some red zone, third down thoughts. I would watch a couple games on Saturday morning, more so just to kind of go back and just like feel the flow,

and the rhythm of a game and maybe how some other teams that attacked them and again it was just it was very relaxed but it was and and in that moment you would just kind of be looking at it through a different lens at that point because you were kind of you know past what you thought was the game planning thing but all of a sudden you would see something like just a little like oh wow I feel like you know this may be a good opportunity or off of this look maybe a great opportunity to run a little stutter and go on that corner or a double move on this linebacker with a runoffacker. You know, just something, and at that point, though,

it had to be like a game-changing thing. Like, we didn't need another play that was going to get us a 5 to 10-yard completion. We wanted a play that was like, oh, no, this is a shot opportunity. This is a big play opportunity, a game winner opportunity. So, yeah, we had a couple of those. In fact, we were playing Monday Night Football against the Miami Dolphins 2013, night before the game. We had this little H-choice with Darren Sprouls

where he's just going to kind of run up five yards. He's got a three-way go. But I'm like, man, this backer is just so aggressive like on film time after time. And he's going to see that, and he's just going to be sitting all over it. It's like, hey, Sean, what if we just double-move this guy, like, right off the bat, you know? And just like set the tone early.

Sure enough, second play of the game, we run this. We put it in literally the night before. And, man, it works like a charm, 40-yard completion. And that's when you're kind of, that's when you're kind of looking to the sideline like, yeah, we got them. You know, I read a survey. It must have been 15 years ago, and they were talking about the most unique cities in the country. And New Orleans was number one.

They said the vibe, the food, the people. To be the Saints quarterback here for 15 years, it's not like being a quarterback, nothing against Seattle or Baltimore. But, I mean, what is it like? This is such a simple question. but in one of the most unique American cities, what is it like? What do you remember about being the Saints quarterback for 15 years? What sticks to you?

Well, I think the thing that sticks out most to me is that the community of New Orleans, they were more fans of New Orleans than they even were first fans of New Orleans than they were fans of the Saints. Like, in other words, when you walked around town, it wasn't like, go saints or thanks for what you do for the team. It was like, thanks for loving this city. So it just gave you this feeling that then we were all in this whole effort together. And like people appreciated the fact that my wife, Brittany and I lived right in the heart of the city, right in uptown New Orleans.

And that we'd be walking the dog in the park just like everybody else. But we'd be, you know, having gumbo down at, you know, the local spot, you're just like everybody else, right? Like, there was just this feeling of, man, they're just like us, you know, and they want to be just like us. And they're just part of this community and part of this society. Like that was what was so unique about this place. Finally, where do I get one of those sweet Crown Royal jackets you're wearing? Can you get me one of those, Drew? You know what?

I'm glad you asked, Colin. Really? Buddy, I got one here. I got one here, right? Hey, look at this. A, sat in stone. We got NFL, Crown Royal. And this is an incredible partnership with Crown Royal.

They've been a huge benefactor to our foundation, helping us with all of our efforts here in New Orleans, helping to build affordable housing, job skills training, build health care facilities around the state. And they're doing a ton of things here during Super Bowl week, donating a lot of money to the foundation for Louisiana. They've got a pop-up down in the quarter selling the jackets, all the proceeds go on the foundation.

They got the Crown Royal rig. town that people can go check out and pack bags for military to be able to send overseas. So Crown Roy is doing a ton of great stuff. They've been, what, four years, the official whiskey of the NFL. So really appreciate their support of the foundation's support of New Orleans. And I really appreciate that jacket, buddy. You know, one for the team. I appreciate it.

Hey, it's a sharp jacket. It's got the Super Bowl 59 logo on the back. So we're going to have you looking clean. All right. Drew, great senior as always, man. I really appreciate your insight this year, bud. Yeah, yeah, love this year. Spending time with you. Thanks, Colin. All right, Drew Breeze. That's a great story that people came up to him, and thanks for love in New Orleans.

And that really is. I remember reading the survey years ago, and they said there's no city quite like it. And I had a friend who played in that division at Tampa for years, and he said, going to New Orleans, whether the saints were good. And that was pre-Drew Breeze. He said it was always different. It was always a little louder. the crowd was a little more lubricated. If it was a late afternoon game, it was a completely different environment. I went to an LSU game years ago when Nick Saban coached LSU and they played Oregon State.

And a lightning like hit right next to the stadium. And it was crazy weather. And Oregon State almost beat Nick Saban. But it was Marcus Russell, I think, was LSU's quarterback. And I can remember, and I'm serious, I can remember smelling bourbon in the tailgate. I'd never experience anything quite like an LSU tailgate. And it was a wild game, and young Nick Saban was at LSU in Oregon State for about a half, almost pulled off the upset.

Matt Hasselbeck and Drew Breeze both stopped by today. We appreciate that. Mark Sanchez is joining us on set as we take some views. Oh, yes, there we go. The Crescent City. Nothing else like it in North America. The Big Easy. best food and service some would say in the country

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