The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Greg Cosell stops by The Herd

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

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It is hour two and a Thursday. Bill's and Miami tonight, Josh Allen, has feasted on the Dolphins' defense since he arrived in Buffalo. Tua has really struggled, really struggled against, I think, their chief rival, so that's an interesting one tonight. I think I'm leaning Miami, although they fell behind early against the Jags, came roaring back. I'm going to get to Greg Kosell in a few minutes.

Senior producer, NFL films, 45 years. So it's interesting, and I said this last hour, I think Aaron is a very thoughtful guy, Aaron Rogers. A very thoughtful guy is the criticisms I've levied against him. I tell him to his face. I think he can be prickly and difficult and passive aggressive. I wish he was more confrontational, but that's his personality, whatever. The book is fascinating by Ian O'Connor, the documentary I can't wait to watch.

I respect his brain. I respect his choices. I mean, I disagree on the vaccine. Who cares? People can think what they want. Wasn't a mandate. I'm not in the mandates. I don't care. Seriously. I consume people all the time. I don't agree with all the time. Joe Rogan, a little bit of a conspiracy theorist at times, but he's very, very entertaining. He's a very smart guy. He's a very curious guy. I like Joe Rogan. I've told him that before. I like him in a UFC fight. You know, sometimes I disagree with people's opinions. You and I don't have to agree on who we're voting for for president. And I have friends that, uh, I disagree ideologically. I still vacation with him. Who cares? And that's what I think about Aaron Rogers. I think he's a fascinating guy. He's a complex guy. He's a smart guy.

And, you know, he goes down some wormholes on the internet. I wouldn't, but whatever. He talked about the 0-and-1 start and, you know, pulling back and lightning up. The league is a lot different than when I said relax years ago, in that there's just so much more coverage that there's so much more opportunity for overreaction. So I get it. We want to win. If fans want to win, the organization wants to win,

but the process has to be the same. If it's good enough in week one, it's good enough in the playoffs. So what he's basically saying is trust the process. That in week one, as I showed you, that passing chart is the question. 21 passes only two to the right side. Look at that passing chart. What is that telling you? He doesn't trust his left tackle.

He doesn't trust his protection. he wants to throw it left so we can see out of the corner of his eye the pass rush. That's what it tells me. This is not a rookie quarterback that doesn't see both sides of the field. This isn't like they had Patrick Sertan on the right side. This is not like they only put Garrett Wilson on one side. He is thrown to one side of the field. That's what you would see for a rookie passing chart, like a guy that can't read the field.

You see that sometimes with rookies, they won't throw the ball over the middle of the field. It's all bubble screens out into the flaps. So that tells me there is a lack of trust in some of this problem. process, and it may be he doesn't trust his protection or as Achilles, whatever it is. So it's an interesting point by Aaron, and my take is I'm seeing a lack of trust somewhere, 21 passes, only two go right, and not even far right. One of them is close to the middle. Greg Kosell, 45 years NFL films. This is what he does. All right, so they had one really, really good drive. The play calling was good. San Francisco

scored on eight straight, so, you know, the juxtaposition of the Niners and Jets offense, it was ugly. What did the film say? What did you like? What worried you? What did the film say about Aaron and the Jets? Well, it's funny you talk about the protection because we talked about their old line leading into the season being better, Colin. But they struggled, but keep in mind that they were playing against arguably as good a front six as there is in the national football league. And I thought that both tackles, new tackles this year, Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses struggled in pass pro. And again, they were going against Nick Bosa. Maybe, you know, he He's certainly a top three-passed rusher in the league, and Leonard Floyd, who is a good player.

So I think they struggled a bit there. Don't forget, Aaron Rogers has not really played in a regular season game in really two years. Yeah. And he has not played with these players other than Alan Lizard in a regular season game. Now, I think Garrett Wilson is terrific, and it's evident he will become a movable chess piece. They'll line him up all over the formation. He's a great player. They need Mike Williams to become a factor at the Boundary X receiver.

But it was a game where I thought he just had a work off kind of the mental and physical rust, and I expect him to be significantly better as the season progresses. You're talking about a quarterback that, number one, you could say he throws the ball better than any quarterback we've ever seen, and number two, he's so exceptionally smart. I remember one of his former quarterback coaches telling me that he came off the field after a series, and Rogers could tell you what seven defenders were doing on every play. That is unheard of. Yeah, yeah, Brady had some of those qualities.

where people, Tom could see the entire field as he dropped back to pass. Offensive guys, defenders. Yeah, there are very few guys on the planet. He's always been a thoughtful, bright guy. I've said before. Sometimes he's a bit quirky, but, you know, we need more quirky people. He's more artists than accountants. I'm okay with that.

We need more artists. I mean, we need fewer accountants. Okay, I want to go back to Thursday, Chiefs and Lamar Jackson. I feel like I defend Lamar Jackson at every turn he was an inch from potentially winning the game. So when I watch the Chiefs, now Andy Reid's very good, in September, brings out the tricks. But I got to tell you, Rishi Rice looked like a one. Worthy's,

I don't know if he's a volume receiver, he's a valuable weapon, a gadget. They have two tight ends now that I trust. And then guys like Ben Watson, who can, you know, make plays. Juju Smith, Schuster's coming, he'll grow, Hollywood Brown's coming back. I think Kansas City looks like a better version of last year.

What do the film say? Well, I think they're now in a situation where they can really get best out of their players in how they deploy them. Because look what they did with Rachi Rice. And some of that's a function now of having Xavier Worthy, because Rice worked between the numbers. They got him matched up on linebackers on a lot of those quick routes, option routes, what

we call jerk routes. And that's where he's at his best because he's a big physical receiver. He's not truly a burner on the perimeter, but Worthy is now that guy, Brown, can work on the outside. So now you have Rice, who in a sense with Kelsey, works the same. same area of the field and you get the matchups that really favor what your players do best. And I mean, look, you saw rice beating Roquan Smith on those little option routes, inside choice routes, whatever teams call them.

But, you know, so they're able now to really deploy their players the way they can best be deployed, and they'll be a really difficult offense to defend. So I want to, you know, I said about Lamar Jackson, he had like 16 rushes and he took some real hits. I said, I think in his mind that he plays different against Kansas City than everybody else because it means more. And I don't think he'll take those hits. I don't think he'll put his body in that situation. I think it's sort of the way he plays Kansas City. It feels like he needs to win this game. Were you disturbed by how many hits he took? He was like a running back out there. Yeah, and they said that he lost weight. So I know he missed practice time this week.

They said he was sore. That's not good after the first week of the season. You know, Jackson is a player, and I think you would agree, it's very difficult to evaluate him the way you would evaluate, you know, sort of traditional quarterback. Right. Because when you watch their tape, and I've watched him for years, as you have, I've probably seen almost every game he's played in the NFL from the coaching tape. And he's not really a timing rhythm player. Yeah. That's not really his game. You don't see a lot of throws where he drops back, hits his back foot, throws the ball, particularly in the middle of the field where there are a lot of bodies.

He's more of an instinct player. He's got unbelievable instincts. That's the strength of his game. So obviously the running is a major part. He's missed, not last year, but the previous two years, he missed what, the last five or six games each season. You wonder now if he's lost weight and he's going to run that much, if that's going to be a factor.

Everybody starts to get older, and the body just doesn't react the same way. Okay, I want to do Bill's Miami here because I watch Buffalo struggle early, And I was kind of critical on my podcast after the game. I said, can they ever be more than just, hey, Josh, put on the Superman cape? And he's unbelievable. He's really an unbelievable player.

Probably the best overall talent in the sport. Are you working? I like Cook. I like their tight ends. But, you know, at receiver, it's a rookie. When you watch the film, do you again believe it's another year of Superman, Josh Allen, or bust? Well, look, I think they're trying not to be that way. Cook had 19 carries. Keep that in mind. Davis only had three of the rookie Ray Davis out of Kentucky. They'd like to get him involved as well. I think they're trying to be more than Josh Allen. And by the way, with the nature of their past game as well, they're trying to get him a lot more rhythmic-type throws so he doesn't have deeper drops. Because at his best, and Alan is a great player, as you said, but he's not a true progression. reader the way you think of, you know, a Drew Breeze or a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady.

You know, he can do that, but that's not the best part of his game. He's another player that's very instinctive in how he plays. But they're clearly trying to develop a run game. They're very multiple, Colin, with their run game concepts. So I would expect that they'll continue to do that. They did not run a lot of plays this past week, so you may not have seen exactly how they want their offense to look. And again, you know, and I know there's all overreactions to week one. but the thing is with Josh Allen, when you get into those sort of critical, high-level, high leverage down-in-distance situations, he's the best player on the field and you want the ball in his hands. So Tua and Miami's offense couldn't do anything for big chunks of the game early.

And then Holland had that brilliant punch-out tackle of the goal line. Miami recovers gets possession. That really changed the game. That was the play of the game. Why were, you know, we think of McDaniel, two of the receivers. Why were they so choppy offensively early? What did Jacksonville do? What was wrong with their offense?

You know what? This is why I love watching tape, Colin, because I put that tape on, and I'm seeing what Ryan Nielsen, the D.C. for Jacksonville did, and it was really, really good. Now, people might think, okay, well, every team should do the same thing,

and we know it never works like that. But what he did is two things. Number one, he had safeties become robber defenders, because where is the Miami pass game at its best, between the numbers? All those timing and rhythm throws between the numbers. So he had a safety be a robber. And also what he did is he showed pressure fronts and then had a linebacker drop out essentially in a similar position.

When a linebacker drops out, we tend to call it lurk. But he would definitely have an extra defender sitting in the middle of the field and he played a lot of man coverage because what's to his game? he's the best window thrower in the NFL, those timing throws against zone coverage into windows. So he played man and he put a defender in the middle of the field. Now I give Mike McDaniel a ton of credit because in the second half he started to counter that and did a really, really good job. But I thought Ryan Nielsen, the DC for Jacksonville, did a tremendous job in game planning against that offense.

So I talked about this earlier. It's a bit of a red flag. I'm not making a definitive opinion. but Caleb Williams, if you count preseason and the, which is all vanilla defense, is very few starters, and the first week is completing 49% of his throws in a passerating that's regrettable. And at USC, he had three games last year where he was completing under 60% of his throws. Now, I'm not making, again, I'm not saying it's over, but I'm saying that was what GMs in the league told me. They're like, we love him. Mahomes is the comp, but he can be erratic with his, with his accuracy.

And by the way, when Mahomes was early in his career, Andy Reid brings him back on the fairway. Stafford can get bad, he can get a little reckless or his mechanics. McVeigh brings him back. They don't have the, that's why I owe, that's why I have predicted that Bo Nix will have the best rookie season. He's got an offensive coach to get, you know, edit the bad stuff out. Sure. So the Caleb stuff, I'm saying it's a bit of a red flag. I know it's one week, but he missed twice he missed open.

People, what is the film say, Greg? Well, I think the issue for him at this point is twofold. Number one, because this is all new, he was very focused on just executing the play call, whether that receiver was open or not. That's very common for rookie quarterbacks in their first start. So he made a lot of throws that he probably shouldn't have made. the ball comes out of his hand beautifully. We all know that. The other thing that he really needs to work on, it showed up at USC, it showed up in the preseason,

and it showed up week one against the Titans, is he needs to really get a better innate understanding of the pocket and how to play from the pocket. He tends to move and create his own pressure. He tends to climb the pocket and step up when he doesn't need to. Now, in college, maybe you can get away with that at times, but in the NFL, you're not going to get away with that. that. So what happens is he steps up and now he's closer to the bodies and all of a sudden he feels like he has to speed up or get out of the pocket. So he just needs to develop a better feel to how to play from the pocket. Keep in mind, he got sacked in his two years at USC over 80 times. I saw all those plays, Colin. Sure, the O-line wasn't great as you know, you live out there.

But a lot of those sacks were on him and that's a lot of sacks for a really good college quarterback in two years. Yeah. You're so good at this. Okay, I've got to be a little prideful here as I ask you this question. Sam Darnold. Sammy Darnold. There you go. I knew that was coming. I think it was 12 of 12 to start.

I can't remember. Okay. He looked pretty good. Now, the schedule gets brutal. It may be the last great moment. But let's talk about what you saw. Well, there's a couple of things here that really stood out to me. Number one, keep in mind where he was last year, even though he wasn't the last year, even though he

He wasn't the starter. He was in San Francisco. Now he's with Kevin O'Connell. You're talking about high-level coaching. One thing that really stood out to me, yes, it's one game, and I'm not going to sit here and say, man, is he going to have a great year? But I just thought the way he dropped back, his footwork, his balance, the way his lower body and upper body were coordinated, the way he was coordinated in sync with the routes by the receivers. I just thought he looked really comfortable. And again, it's one game, so we're not going to act like this guy's going to have an all-pro season, but he looked like a different quarterback. He threw a seam ball, I believe, to the tight end early in the game, and it just looked

exactly the way it's supposed to look. That 44-yarder to Jefferson on the sail route or the deep corner route, that was just absolutely beautiful. And not because he placed it perfectly, which of course was great, but because of the way he dropped back and hitched up in the pocket, everything was right about his footwork, the coordination with his lower and upper body. That's what I look for very often when I watch quarterbacks, and he just looked like a far more comfortable player from a technique and fundamental standpoint.

So now everybody has film on C.J. Stroud, and yet I watch him against the Colts, and they've given him Joe Mixin, who I've always thought deserves more appreciation. He's had off-field stuff. Maybe he's not as likable. Whatever.

He's a really good running back. Functional, physical, and now Stefan Diggs, everybody got film on C.J. Stroud. I like the coaching staff in Indy, and he's out there dealing. Are we looking at, are we looking at with C.J. Stroud, the Texans offense? Are we looking at a kid that we're going to say in a year is right behind Mahomes? I mean, is he, but what's the film say?

The film really shows that this kid's a really terrific player. He's got a really innate understanding of timing, anticipation. Because of the kinds of throws he can make, he's a playmaker from the pocket. We think of quarterbacks being playmaker. when they get outside of the pocket. But he makes anticipation throws that are just phenomenal. And that's innate. You can't really teach that.

You can't really teach it, but you can't really teach it. He's really, really good at that. It's high level. But keep one thing in mind, Bobby Slowick's their OC. Where did he come from, the Niners? So Joe Mixen had 30 carries last week. Now you and I know he's not getting 30 carries every week, but they're going to try to run the ball.

The zone run game last week, particularly to the left behind Laron Tommy Tunsell was really, really good. And that is going to be foundationally how they play offense. Okay. So I bring up Sam Darnold, and people think I'm tough on Baker. But I've said before, I love redemption stories. And I think that game last week was as good as I've seen him play. He's a very unique player.

Greg, I always felt with Brady. I got the same quarterback every week. Mahomes, I get. Baker can be emotional. and when he's feeling good about himself, he's really good. Was that as good as he's ever been on tape? Well, I'll tell you what, on third down, he was ridiculously good. He was, I think, 8 for 10 for over 100 yards, and it just looked easy for him.

So much of third downs is a function as well of the coaching staff and the play call, and that's true no matter how good the quarterback is. But Baker was extremely decisive last week. He saw things really clearly. I mean, he's been good, Colin, for a good part of his career. There's no question he's had moments and games where, for whatever reason, he's been reckless and undisciplined, and maybe that's just because he's an emotional guy. We don't know that.

We're not in his brain. But you're talking about a guy that throws the ball really well. At his core, he's a pocket quarterback. If the scheme can really help him, and now he's got Liam Cohen, who's got a Rams background, I would expect him to have a really fine season. Whatever that means number-wise, I don't know. But third down was where he really excelled last week. Yeah, as you said, he saw things, and that is so hard for certain quarterback.

I was saying this week, Derek Carr and Baker Mayfield could have the two best games I've ever seen them play in their lives. And we think of them as sort of mid-quarterbacks. But when you watch these rookies being overwhelmed, you realize how lucky you are as a franchise to have Baker Mayfield because he's just slinging it. So the big play of the week is Baker. Yeah, and it's a third down play, and it was the 32-yard touchdown. He threw to Jalen McMillan, who, by the way, I really, really like. So let's go take a look at that play now, the touchdown to McMillan, because this was just a really good play and a really good throw.

And we'll get to the specifics of it here. First, we're just going to see the play, and it just looks so easy because McMillan is open, but they did a really good job. And that's where I talked about concepts and play calling and how you help. So you're going to see here, Mayfield in the gun, and it's what we call a three-by-one set. You're going to have three receivers to the field side and Mike Evans at the top of the screen at the Boundary X. Now, what the commanders do here is they're actually going to play man-to-man on the two outside receivers, because right now that's Evans and Macmillan.

Okay, and then what they're going to do is they're going to match the releases of the two inside receivers. So what do they do here at the bucks? They're going to put Jalen McMillan, who's number one at the bottom of the screen, he's going to go in motion inside of Godwin. So he goes from number one now to being number two, because we count receivers from the outside in. So now what happens is you're going to see the defense now try to match the releases of two different receive,

one different receiver in particular, and they get confused. So now what's going to happen, McMillan runs that deep corner route, but Baker sees this beautifully. Look at the two defenders he sees, Colin. He sees these two guys not in position to turn and run with McMillan, and the anticipation is beautiful. He sees it, he delivers the ball, and it's a touchdown. But again, this is a great example of the marriage between scheme and quarterback, and you're going to see from this angle how beautiful it is, how they kind of lost the coverage,

and it just broke down the coverage. But Baker has played really, really well. I think you would agree he played well last year for the most part, too. Yeah, no, I thought he deserved a new contract. I think he's absolutely, listen, Brady Lee casts a shadow. Brady wins a Super Bowl. He leaves. You've got to have somebody with some confidence replace him.

Because that's the reality is Brady comes in, greatest quarterback ever. You can't limp into the next franchise quarterback. And Baker plays, you know, he's a swashbuckling gun slinger, and I think he works in Tampa. I think it works. Greg, as always, you were magnificent. Thanks again. We'll see you next Thursday. Thanks, Connor.

get it. Yeah. Very good. Very good. You take anything from that? Yeah, the backyard football stuff that we talked about all offseason with Caleb Williams. He just articulated. We saw it in week one. Colin, that's not a good sign. You may be early on this. That's the second time I've given you props, but the Washington one, not looking as sharp. But Caleb, like, don't just run around for your life. He basically said he's inviting pressures by scrambling around too early. It's something. It's going to take a year. But Iber foods don't have a year.

That's the problem. Oh, no, no, no, no. Go look at that schedule. Rams, Colts, Texans. Would Belichick have any interest in coaching Caleb Williams, or is that not his cup of tea? I don't. Caleb Williams, Belichick was asked about him last week. He's like, I wasn't impressed.

He completed 50% of his throws. So who's the next Bears coach? Should we start that discussion? No. I think you'd have to call Ben Johnson in Detroit. I think the guy at Houston. in the division. Bobby Sloak, I think the Houston guy. I think, yeah, because.

One season was Stroud? But be honest, he got C.J. Stroud. So he's dealt with a rookie quarterback. So if he comes out, hey, we got a young quarterback who's got some tendencies we want to get out of. I had C.J. Stroud. Let's go up with Caleb Williams. Now, CJ is a better, more accurate thrower of the football, period, than Caleb Williams. Caleb's a much greater athlete, although C.J. Stroud's athletic. But if you watch C.J. Stroud play, I'm telling you, man, it's a short list.

It's like Stafford, Mahomes. When that dude lets go with the ball, it is gorgeous and it is accurate. Deep underneath, seam, corner, flag, it doesn't matter. Everything he throws is pretty. So I was on Colts last week. I watched that game closely. Every single third down was so frustrating because Stroud is nails. He just delivers every single time.

And I'm like, I can't go against this guy anymore. So I, you know, luckily Colts were able to cover. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHard Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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It sounds like he probably won't go again this week. Jerry Rice has chimed in. He believes San Francisco once again has the best chance to come out of the NFC because of one reason, Colin. What? Brock Purdy. Okay. We have the offense.

We got the quarterback. And I know they still continue to, for some reason, feel like Brock Purdy is not the guy. Brock is the guy. And you could tell by the respect that he gets in the huddle, all of that. Everyone is saying that it's going to be KC. But nobody is saying it's going to be 49ers. So I felt like that was a little disrespect, but we are not going to let KC. If we are facing each other, we're not going to let them three people.

Well, you're not going to have much say as a retired wide receipt. So spirited debate during the commercial break about Brock Purdy. So one of the producers said that Brock Purdy is like a Toyota Corolla. No, he's better. I thought that was a little harsh. Yeah, he's better than that. Another one said he was like a BMW 3 series. That's pretty good.

not bad. Another said a base model Tesla. No, he's better than that. The disrespect for Purdy is amazing. And Colin, you know narratives change so quickly. If the Niners had won the Super Bowl, and they were close, right? They dominated that game. Is all of a sudden the Brock Pretty narrative just totally different?

All because Patrick Mahomes dialed up some great stuff on the bottom. I like Brock. I've said before I like him. I think people are going overboard, but I've said that for years about Dak, who I like. People go overboard. Tua, I like. People go overboard. So I would say this. Clearly, not anybody can do this because they wanted Trey Lance to work, and it didn't.

All right, so not anybody can do this. And they got rid of Jimmy Garoppolo, who got to a Super Bowl. Look at the numbers on the screen, by the way, just for the record. The numbers matter, people. Now, the numbers are 69% completion percentage, 113-passer rating as a nineer. Yeah, if you cover up the win-loss record, Colin. So here's why, and it's not that I don't believe in him, I just think people have got. I feel like I'm the wet blanket on an inferno of hype.

So here's why you should believe in it. Kurt Warner was undrafted, made the Hall of Fame. Tony Romo was undrafted. It was excellent. Mark Brunel was like a fifth round guy. Brady was a sixth round guy. We have a history in this league. Of seventh round and undrafted quarterbacks, not just being good.

Kurt Warner's one of the best I've ever seen. Tony Romo was undrafted. We've never had a great seventh round quarterback. We've had a first to second, a third, a fourth, a fifth, an undrafted, a sixth Tom Brady. I think it's fair to say Brock is our great seventh round quarterback. Now, I don't know, I don't go back to the 50, 60, 70s, in recent memory. But we've had, you know, I mean, Russell Wilson was a third rounder, Dax a fourth rounder,

cousins, a fourth rounder, Mark Brunel later, Brady, 6, undrafted, Warner, and Romo. I can't recall a seventh rounder where I have a last guy taken where I'm like, but I think, now, you can see, he's not a big guy, that didn't have a huge arm, it got wet, His hands are a bit smaller. They're not ideal. But I think what he is with this coach is highly, highly functional, wildly Drew Brees accurate. And what the word is out of San Francisco, Sam Darnold was telling people this cognitively. He's got a smart mom and dad, I bet.

He functions. First of all, he had a ton of high school and college starts. So the guy's got, and he's played a lot of football, he is working at warp speed upstairs. You see this with C.J. Stroud. C.J. Stroud just sees stuff. I mean, he sees the whole field. C.J. Stroud's like, boom, boom, boom. I mean, he throws all over the field.

Some of these rookies literally are just zoned into a guy. So some of these kids, they just see it better and they can let it rip. And I think you can't deny his ability to quickly read, see, and deliver accurately. And that's a franchise quarterback. Again, he's just going to have the doubters. Yeah, sure. Pretty much forever. Listen, Brady had doubters after two and three.

Super Bowls, Colin. There were doubters. He's a game manager early in the career. First five years. There was an article, and I forget who could have been Seth with Wickersham. There's so many books written on him, Jeff Benedict, you know, Connor, but there was a, it may have been Wickersham.

Where if you, if you read this is after five, six Super Bowls, they were like, we think we could have done with us with a lot of guys. So the people that knew him most closely, the people that Tom Brady had made rich,

question him. Forget fans and media. So, this idea that we're tough on Brock Purdy, Brady is actually something that doesn't exist in the rest of sports. Underrated as the goat.

There's a big percentage of New England that was like, I'm telling you, I'm reading these articles and these books on him, and it's, New England had this feeling that, you know, we can duplicate this with several guys. Maybe not the whole league or half the league, but another five or six guys. It's just funny that, like, You mentioned Tony Romo as an undrafted guy.

And my first thought was, okay, he was fine. He, at no point, was he ever better than what Brock Purdy's done already in his career? I'd say there's not even, it's not even close. He was a better athlete. So what? All right, check, check, check. So, Jimor Jackson's a better athlete, so, and what? Well, Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar are great athletes, it matters.

Wonderful. And that's why people love them and don't like Brock Purdy. Did Tony ever have a Kyle Shanahan? Who? Did Romo ever have a Kyle Shanahan? Yeah. I got to go back to his coaching tree. Did he have a...

It was Jason Garrett, who's fine. Jason Garrett, hey, that guy was an offensive genius, right? What did they call him the clapper? Let's not. He's fine. He has a good job. I'm just saying, Jason was fine. He was a solid, good coach.

Fine broadcast. I'm just saying Kyle is... Kyle and his dad are next level. Yeah, I guess we got to banish Brock Purdy to... What's a crap team? We got to banish him to the Saints. Go win with the Saints. Saints, take them somewhere, and then we'll respect you, Brock.

That's what it is, right? Some people's journeys are different. So Joe Burrow had to carry a terrible owner and O-line to a Super Bowl. Dak got a great O-line, the best running back. Brock Purdy arrived in the NFL like Magic Johnson with amazing toys everywhere. By the way, all those toys, they never won anything. Shanahan has not won a Super Bowl. So let's not act like you.

So that means Brock Purdy's not won a Super Bowl. Correct. Well, we know that. But I'm saying, see, he's got this great setup. Like, okay, great. I love Debo Samuel. Brandon Ayuk was an all pro once. Sorry to defend Purdy. Let's move on.

Let's just move on to Thursday Night Football, Dolphins Bill. Miami's got some issues, Colin. Rahim Mostert ruled out with a chest injury. And Devin A. Chan, a real fast kid who had a bunch of catches, very dangerous. He's questionable with an ankle. On a short week, not great. A. Chan has missed the last two practices. My guess is they,

probably hold him out tonight, and then you're looking at, like, Jeff Wilson and some rookie. It's like... It's not great. It's not ideal. Now, fortunately, you know, the bills are not a great defense, as we saw Kylo Moran Company just run up and down the field on him. The more I look at this, like, I want the dolphins, but I think I'm going to stay away. Yeah.

Try to watch it in that one. If neither of these guys plays, I like the dolphins, too, but if you don't have your top two backs. Maybe we can find a prop bet. I'm trying to think of the bill's secondary. They're down to Ron Johnson, who's their excellent. How about? How about, because Miami started so slowly in week one, how about first half over? Miami will come out firing.

Sure. First half over. And by the way, Buffalo, both teams started very slowly in the first half. So what's the game plan all week? We've got to start better. We've got to separate. So both teams will play very well. The dolphins and bills, it'll be a little bit of a shootout in the first half.

The offenses will be slick. You know what a prop bet is like a first and last touchdown, trying to nail who good? I don't do that stuff. I got some buddies who we analyze this stuff, and they actually nailed Alan Lazard for, last touchdown against the 49ers for the Jets. It was a free play. That's a big payday, though,

Alan Lazzar touchdown. Anyway, let's go to the final story, Colin, and it is the Bungles, the Cincinnati Bungles. Colin, it is not looking good. T. Higgins still hasn't practiced with the hammy. Zach Taylor said Higgins is day-to-day making progress, but the lack of practice is concerning. Adam Schaefter is on record saying he would be surprised

if T. Higgins suits up for week two. Somebody's betting on the Bengals here. It was six. It's down to five. Yeah. The wise guys love the Bengals. I don't know what there is to love, but Joe Burrow may be bouncing back. They were trying to avoid the O and two start. And I know it's one of your big things. Look at the numbers.

O and two. Death sentence. Well, I looked it up, Collins. Here's a list. Thank you, Chat, GPT. Of the teams that started O and two and made the playoffs in the last 20 years. 11 teams. One of them won the Super Bowl. the New York Giants in 2011.

And oh, by the way, the 22 Cincinnati Bengals started O&2 and made the playoffs. So it can be done. It'd be nice. If you credit our producers and not chat GBT. Well, they only went back a few years. I like a little more data than just a few. So I went back 20 years. But our producers are phenomenal. I guess.

You think it's over if Bengals go O&2? I wouldn't trust chat GBT. They're out there spouting political opinions. No, no, I don't ask for politics. I just do sports. Ask how Kamala and. Trump did. See what it gives you. Well, they talk about dogs and cats.

I'm just kidding. People do not send me notes. I don't want to hear it. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. Our big bets.

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Camp Randall is going to be home for number four Alabama. I'm going to take the over 49 and a half. Alabama's explosive, but Wisconsin can run the football, and Alabama's defense gave up over 200 rushing yards last week. I think Alabama wins this game and pretty comfortably. Tyler Van Dyke's an interesting quarterback. came from Miami to Wisconsin. People were really into him a couple years ago,

but he's played six games in his career against ranked opponents. 17 touchdowns three picks, so he's competent. Wisconsin will lose. You're going to see points. I'll take the over 49 and a half. It'll start sluggish. The points will start coming in the second half. We will not talk about how poor I did last week in this segment.

But I'm going to start off with Wisconsin getting 16. It's stupid. It makes no sense. Again, this is simply a number grab, Colin. in the summer, Vegas line this game is 7.5, 8 for Alabama. And after two games, we're at 16, I just have to take on principle the number. I'm sure Wisconsin will lose and probably get their teeth kicked in. If this were at night, I would give Wisconsin a slightly better chance, right?

But I think Alabama wins. Wisconsin covers. I'm going to take the Washington Huskies in the Apple Cup, which has moved up now because they're both not in the Pack 12 over Washington State. I only have to swallow five. The Huskies have won nine of ten. They've won 16 straight home games, which is the second longest street to Georgia in the country. Washington State's replacing Cam Ward, who is a remarkable quarterback, and that is a big ask. Their offense only had about 115 passing yards last week against Texas Tech. So they're just not as dynamic, and I think Jedfish in Washington have done some nice work on the transfer portal offensively,

grabbing some guys from Arizona. I think the Huskies win by at least a touchdown. All right. I will, last week I backed Michigan like a buffoon. This week I'm fading them against Arkansas State, mighty Arkansas State. Colin, this is all about one thing. Sandwich Spot. Last week, Texas, next week USC for Michigan.

You think they're thinking about the Arkansas State? Are they the Red Wolf still? The Red something, yeah. So yeah, I'm fading Michigan. I can't see them getting margin here. I think more in the offense. Should they take a two-touchdown lead? Let's just power down.

Let's get everybody home safely. we got USC next week and we cannot lose that game. I don't think this is a situation where Notre Dame lost at home. Remember to Northern Illinois? I don't think it's that bad, but I do think there's a world where Michigan's like fourth quarter, six point game, what the heck? Yeah, I think Michigan's going to struggle to score points all season. Finally, I'm going to take the over on Maryland at Virginia.

Maryland has a coach that's pretty smart. And Virginia's been not only a bad ACC team, the worst defense in the ACC. last two seasons. They're six and sixteen in a bad conference. I think Maryland's one of those programs. I think it's always a little bit better than you think. They're pretty competitive at quarterback usually. They've had some good ones. I think it's a potential blowout, but I think Maryland's dropping 35, 40 points in them,

so I'll take the over on 57. Wow. Okay. I will wrap up with the Iowa Hawkeyes. You've called them the fake ID. Used to. We graduated. No, not anymore. Now it's Dion. I know. I feel like they're kind of Dallas Cowboys-ish. In big spots, they always come up empty. Last week, blew the halftime lead against the rival, lose.

I think against a Troy team that's massively going to be overwhelmed here, this is like 330. Iowa, like Dallas, loves to front run and bully around bad teams, and they always come up empty in big spots. So this is not a big spot. Iowa wins and covers. All right. Big bets. Nebraska last week was a screamer. Let's not revisit that. Yeah, that was a screamer.

I actually think, I think the over Bama, Wisconsin, and the Huskies are, they're not as good as my Nebraska pick, but I like them a lot. And I'm just, I'm beating on Virginia to be bad again. Look at you hitting the total. Interesting. I like it. Feeling secure in your own home shouldn't be a luxury. It should be a given. Go to simply safe, collin.com, 50% off a new system.

There's no safe like Simply Safe. Kevin O'Connell, the Minnesota Vikings head coach, is going to join us next hour. They call him the Tal-Shon McVeigh, and then Jordan Schultz last hour, joining us as well. I thought it was really interesting. Listening to Mark Sanchez yesterday, talk about Caleb Williams, and then listening to Greg CoSell today talk about Caleb Williams. This is not just some hot take. They are voicing concerns based on films.

Sanchez said yesterday with Caleb, his head was all over the place, the 22 film, he's lost. He doesn't know what he's seeing. He's all over the place. He's not definitive in his decisions. And then Greg Kossel saying he's working himself into sacks. He's too loose in the pocket. We want our quarterbacks to move into the pocket, not to move into trouble. You want to move away from trouble. Some of that's just rookie and experience. But though these are, Sanchez breaks down quarterback play. I don't watch every sports networks shows. He does as good a job as anybody at this company of taking a young quarterback. He's been there and breaking down and evaluating strengths and weaknesses. Yesterday

was like symphonic. It was a clinic by Sanchez. And Greg Coasell is saying a lot of the same things. He's creating his own problems. We talked about this yesterday. There's a difference between making mistakes. We all do. I make a mistake on this show probably every day, do something stupid. And creating problems. Yeah, Cleveland Brown, Deshawn Watson, fully guarantee is not a mistake. You've created now a problem for the franchise, the entire locker room. And that's what they're saying about

Caleb Williams. Just not mistakes. It's like he's creating stuff. So you've got to coach him out of that, which the bears have a defensive head coach and a defensive culture. You think Iber Fluse says, hey, let's slow it down. Let's run the football a lot. The Texans run defense was weak.

They did improve it. There were some holes in week one. I wonder if we see a rejuvenated like DeAndre Swift game coming up or whoever they got in the back field. Well, Roma Dunzee and Keenan Allen are both limping. So my guess is, you know, when somebody is struggling, the way to solve it is often, simplify it. Ask less of the person struggling.

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