The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Hard to Not Root for the Lions, Nick Wright

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

Colin's final Herd Hierarchy of the NFL regular seasonIt would be hard not to cheer for the Lions to make it to the Super BowlThings would have to be different if Aaron Rodgers played for the Jets next season Guest: Nick WrightSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go. hour two and a Tuesday. I'm telling you, this starting Thursday night, J-Mack texted me last night, and I was very distracted on my birthday, and he said, hey, Thursday, Penn State Notre Dame, you want to hang out? And I gave it some thought, and I said, yes, let's hang out.

That's going to be an all-timer. Calharto's weighing his other options. Let me see what else is going on. I was hanging out with Rosillo last night. Oh, geez. One glass of wine. I have snake dreams. I can't do two glasses of wine.

I texted him yesterday, by the way. Yeah, he showed up for my birthday. My friend David Slay and Rosillo, great. Choping it up, having fun talking about life. And, you know, Ricillow couldn't keep his eyes off that Wizard's Orlando Magic game in the corner of the restaurant. He's breaking down NBA tape on a Monday, Tuesday night. Okay, we do the herd hierarchy. This is the final herd hierarchy of the regular season.

So it's kind of like our, it's our playoff herd hierarchy. Here we go. Third hierarchy. Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. Tampa Bay. I put him in over Washington.

They play them this weekend. I'll tell you, there's one stat that I love about this team. They have the best third down offense in the NFL. They're the only team on third down that converts over 50% of the time. That is a big stat for me. You're moving the chains. You're often keeping it away from Jaden Daniels. This is a team that situationally is very, very good.

It's why I like Tampa to beat Washington. I put Tampa Bay at 10. Number nine. The Packers. You know what? I liked them all year, but now Jordan Love's banged up. Christian Watson is out. Listen, seven straight games for Jordan Love without a giveaway.

That is the longest streak of his career. So would it shock me if they went to Philadelphia and Jalen Hertz didn't play and they upset them? No. I said early in the year and I believe this, they're a year away. But I'm going to have them right now. so many things I like about the organization, but boy, Philadelphia is an opener. It's a big lift. I'll take Green Bay at 9.

Number 8. The Chargers. I don't think they have enough weaponry to get to a Super Bowl, but listen, they lose to the right teams. Five of their six losses came to the Chiefs twice. Ravens, Tampa Bay blew them out. So I think they're the best version of what they can be right now. And they've got a lot of things I like, a star quarterback, two excellent.

offensive tackles. Kaleel Mack, Derwin James, in the back end. But I feel they're a running back, a tied end, a wide receiver shy to be to Kansas City or a Baltimore or a Buffalo.

I have the Chargers at 8. Number 7. I'm going to put the Rams one slot ahead of them because right now they are so healthy. And when they have Cooper Cup and Stafford and Kyron Williams and Pooka Nakua, they are 14 and

5 and most of their losses are close. Matt Stafford's playing well. I don't love their first half offense this year, it feels like Stafford is an old pitcher that needs to get to the fifth inning to warm up. They just feel like they're not quite capable of getting off to good starts. Now, their defense keeps them in games, and they usually win them. I don't think you can be a bad first half offense and win multiple playoff games. So whatever that is, they got to solve it. I have the Rams at seven. Number six. The Vikings at six, the Rams Vikings is a great game. Listen, they were

O and 4 in Red Zone trips, and Sam Darnold had too much juice and too much adrenaline and missed open throws. But the only two teams they've lost to this year are the Lions a couple of times in the Rams. So, like we're talking about a very good football team. Sam Darnold did not have a good game in a big spot. I didn't think it was a winnable game. I thought it was the biggest football game in Detroit with a better roster in 15 years. All took the Vikings at 6. Number five.

We have to be honest. Speaking of history, you know, the Ravens are the first team in league history. with 4,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards in the season. That cannot be overlooked. This is just not another team in the NFL. They are a passing powerhouse and a running powerhouse. And they lead the NFL in yards per carry. So if you're going to beat Kansas City, that is the way to do it.

I'm not saying they're going to. But the way to do it is you get four and a half yards of carry, and Patrick Mahomes is thrown on third and two and second and four. That's the way to beat Kansas City. So I think they're uniquely built. They're a better version of what they've been in previous years. They're even better on the ground than previous years. Number four.

The Eagles. Jalen Hertz, concussion protocol. Maybe I think their roster would be number one. I am a little worried about the Jalen Hertz situation. Listen, if Hertz and A.J. Brown play, they're 11 and O. And they have the best roster in the league. So I've always said the final four teams in my Blazing Five, I believe, of the Super Bowl teams. Those are teams that can win a Super Bowl, my final four teams.

You know, if I did this tomorrow and Jalen Hertz was out of protocol, I'd probably have them at three, but I'll put them at four. Number three. Detroit. Now they're getting healthier on defense. And this should be noted. This is how good of a coach coordinator, Aaron Glenn is. I don't think they have great defensive personnel.

I think they have great offensive personnel. They've allowed the lowest pass rating of any team in the NFL this year. And that's with Hutchison, their top pass rusher, out for most of the year. and massive injuries in the back seven. This is a really, really well-coached team and also another team that matches up with like a Kansas City. Two running backs, great-alline, like Baltimore, can play some keepaway, Detroit at three.

Number two. Buffalo feels like the best version of Buffalo. They're no longer reckless. Fewest turnovers in a single season in NFL history. Tide for the second. Fewest turnovers, eight. So they don't beat themselves like previous seasons. They don't give the ball away.

They don't like sacks. So I think this is the best version of Baltimore and Buffalo this year. Is it good enough to beat Kansas City? If I was a betting person, I would say no. So let's go to number one, and we all know who it is. Number one. Listen, they're seven and two against current playoff teams this season. Seven straight games without a turnover.

I think their receiving core is more dynamic today than it's been the previous two years. Their defense may be not quite as good. The AFC playoffs are going to be one for the ages. Because, you know, I look at this team and I see a little snazzier version of offense. Xavier Worthy now is a better tool than previous years. I think they now have a second tight end. I don't think their offensive tackle situation is ideal, but it's good enough. But I think Baltimore and Buffalo are the best versions of Baltimore and Buffalo in years.

And I do think a little bit they'd rather face a Bow Nicks potentially than a Joe Burrow. That's the advantage for the Chiefs, although I would have to be. have taken them to beat Cincinnati. And Nick Wright, co-host, First Things First, joins us now live. Okay, the wild card in that is Philly, who I thought Jalen Hertz played his best football in the last month, but now he's in concussion protocol. Anything jump out to you? So a number of things.

One is I think you're letting people bully you, Colin. I don't think you actually believe the Vikings are going to beat the Rams. So just put the Rams ahead of them. I think you're going to pick the Rams. and I think that you didn't do that you had a 10 and 7 team out of a 14 and 3 team you didn't want to do

you love Darnold and again I'm not we'll see but my guess is Friday when the Blazing 5 happens and you're staring at the Rams plus a point and a half you grab that

so I would flip flop the Rams and the Vikings if you're doing what I think you're going to do and then lastly you meant to You said something that so many people have said, and so I will just ask it to you, because it really, this narrative that the Chiefs didn't want Cincinnati in the playoffs, despite the fact that the Chiefs have won three straight against Cincinnati, that since Cincinnati last won a playoff game, the Chiefs have won two Super Bowls, and that the Bengals now have the same playoff drought as the Giants and the Jags. Set all that aside. in order to play the Bengals, the Bengals would have to beat the bills.

Don't you think the Chiefs would sign up right now for a playoff path that involves guaranteed never playing Buffalo and you get Cincinnati in round two? Because that was the only path. The only way the Chiefs played the Bengals was that the Bengals went to Buffalo and clipped the bills. I would have loved that. I wish the Bengals were a better organization, so they could have made the playoffs and made that happen.

Unfortunately, they needed the Chiefs JV team to beat Bo Nix, and they couldn't abide. But wouldn't that have been good for the Chiefs for the Bengals to get in and beat Buffalo? Well, I think the advantage Kansas City has now is Buffalo and Baltimore have shown, especially Baltimore, they get tight against Kansas City. Cincinnati's playing with House Money if they would have snuck in and Joe Burrow on House Money with great receivers is always a little scary. There's always a playoff team that gets in and you're like, they got nothing. No, that offense, who could slow it down? I mean, the Steelers were falling apart.

They hung a whole 19 on them and needed Russell Wilson for getting clock and score to beat them. I mean, again, the Bengals are the scariest team I've ever seen at the moment the season ended, fired half their coach. coaching staff. They're so scary. They're like, we need to revamp everything. But whatever. We don't we can, we don't have to talk about the teams that missed the playoffs today so we can leave the Bengals out of it. Let's talk about something we both have affection for is the city of Chicago and the Bears. And it's a huge job. I suggested 20 minutes ago, I said, it sounded crazy if I would

have said to you years before it happened, Brett Farve will lead the Vikings to the NFC Championship. The Niners will bail on Joe Montana. KD. will join. the rival warriors. I don't think it's crazy if the Steelers got boxed, that Chicago calls Pittsburgh and says, we'll take Mike Tomlin. And by the way, this league fired Andy Reed and Belichick. You can have the discussion. They haven't beaten a good quarterback in a playoff game in 15 years. So I think if I'm going to, all these silly candidates, the Bears are interviewing, there's like 13 and some of them you're like, the offensive coordinator for Arizona. What are we doing here? I mean, again, this is not American

Idol. I don't need to see all these tryouts. What's the point. So my take is, is Tomlin if they get beat? I think they should consider Vrabel or Tomlin. Am I nuts? Well, no, I don't think you're nuts at all. I understand and I agree with the idea that Ben Johnson should be the number one candidate for two reasons. One is the ideal, and you've talked about it, is pairing your young quarterback with the offensive-minded coach, so you don't have to worry about the quarterback learning new systems. That is the ideal. It has the added benefit of weakening the biggest competition within your own division.

So I totally get that Ben Johnson should be the top candidate. But after him, I agree with you that I would prefer an established proven coach, like a Mike Vrable, certainly a Mike Tomlin, if you could get him over. We're going to spin the offensive coordinator wheel and hope it lands on a Kevin O'Connell rather than it landing on a Brian Dable. We're going to hope it lands on a Matt LaFleurr rather than it landing on a Freddie Kitchens or a Shane Steichen. Like it is very in vogue to just say, you know who they should go after, Liam Cohen, or as you said, the offensive coordinator from Arizona. But a year ago, Bears folks, a lot of people are like, you know who they should hire Bobby Sloick.

Look at what he did in Chicago with C.J. Stroud. Well, Bobby Sloak all of a sudden didn't get a head coaching job. And now he's on the hot seat as the coordinator. So it's not quite as simple as flavor of the month offensive coach. I do think Ben Johnson would be a home run higher, but I am not at all against Mike Vrable there. I think he would be excellent. And obviously, if they could get Mike Tomlin,

I think Mike Tomlin's great. I think he's clearly one of the five best coaches in the league. And so, yeah, I think that would be great. You also, you are really dead set on the Bears trading for a coach. You wanted them to trade for Kyle Shanahan. Now you want him to trade for Mike Tomlin. You want the Bears to have a proven winner, and I like it. I like it.

I will say this. I'm more impressed with Aaron Glenn in Detroit than Ben Johnson, and here's why. Aaron Glenn hasn't had Hutchison or a secondary for two months, and they have the best defense against quarterbacks in the league. They allow the lowest pass right. Ben Johnson's got the best O line, a number one receiver, two great backs, the best tackle combo. Like, it's your playing with a lot of nice toys here that I think a lot of qu- That's fair.

And I think Aaron Glenn is a remarkable. They lost Hutchison. All of us were like, uh-oh, uh-oh. No. They went and got B and C guys. They put it in. So I think what they did to Darnold, who was on a heater for three months, Donald looked like he was the Jets, Darnold. That's what I was about to say. That's what I was about to say. You want Colin Coward to think you're a defensive mastermind to make Sam Darnold look bad. I mean, there's no sure-fire thing for Colin to be like, that's a head coach right there that if you can make Sam Darnold of all people only score nine points. I mean, it's fair point.

So I said this. The Jets haven't been good or interesting in forever. Rex Ryan and Aaron Rogers, you might as well just call HBO now and say, start micing people up for hard knocks. This is the greatest combination ever. When Rex Ryan puts his name out there for the Jets, part of me thinks, okay, I would prefer Ben Johnson, but he's going to have offers and probably won't take it.

How do you solve prickly Aaron Rogers, impulsive owner, owner, pretty interesting roster. You're in the city. You're hearing all the opinions. How do you solve Aaron than the Jets? You don't. You can't. He's going to be a 42-year-old quarterback who has demonstrated over the last two healthy years of football that he is at best, the 17th best quarterback in football with no leadership capabilities and that where the team eats itself alive. So you can't solve that piece of it. But they're going to need someone to go. So I'd move on from Aaron, but you're going to need someone to coach the team either way. And if Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all-time coup.

I don't think it'll be a good decision. Yeah. But you don't do politics on this show smartly, and this isn't political, but I do want to give people, if they don't know it, a brief history lesson. Long time ago, back in, gosh, the late 90s, when George W. Bush was running for president, he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be. That guy's name was the late Dick Cheney, and Dick Cheney did a bunch of research, then was like, you know what? After interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me, and he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets.

Tannenbaum gets hired to pick the next GM. I'm thinking Mike Tannenbaum's going to have a list, at the top of the list is going to be Mike Tannenbaum and the coach that he had when he already was the GM, Rex Ryan. If they get the old band back together being able to sell Woody Johnson on, hey, I mean, you've just sucked since we left.

I guess it's an idea. It's not an idea I would sign up for. You mentioned Aaron Glenn. How about Aaron Glenn, who played for the Jets? Yeah. Who has, like actual. sweat equity with the franchise. That would make sense.

But yeah, sure. Mike Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan, and Aaron Rogers, which would have been an interesting combination in 2010, running it back in 2025. Why not? So many things the Lions do embody the NFL. Like, I remember this. Years ago, it didn't bother me because Steph,

Clay and Draymond were drafted and developed by the war. Warriors. And they'd already won pre-KD. But when they signed Kevin Durant, it was kind of shocking to me everywhere I went for several years out in the public. They were like, NBA stinks. I refuse to watch a league where they basically bought a dynasty. And I'm like, time out. Steph, Klan, Dremont were drafted and developed. Dremont's second round. People didn't like it. Detroit, a city that builds cars, has built a football team. Three wins, you know, nine wins, 11, 14. I honestly think, and I was thinking about you this morning,

if the Chiefs were to get beat, Detroit would be the team that you would be like, okay, good American story, you're a Midwesterner. It's sweat equity. They put the time, and just imagine losing the Super Bowl. Because I think Detroit is speaking to the country. I just saw the rating for the game. Detroit and Minnesota, it was a bad game. The rating's insane.

America loves this team. Do you love them? Yes. Oh, I respect them. And I thought Dan Campbell was incredibly reckless last Monday playing his guys. But listen, the guy drew to an inside straight and it worked out perfectly. He got out of that game, you know, mostly healthy. And it clear, listen, they came out with their hair on fire in their biggest game of the year.

They won. Now they get the buy. And you got to give credit. I love the fact that the Lions are, that they are who they are without apology when it comes to the aggressiveness offensively on the fourth downs. And I do like to bring them up again the fact that Aaron Glenn has recognized, you know what? Our defense isn't good enough because of the injuries to play you straight up. Yeah. So we're going to do, to bring up the Chiefs, the way the Chiefs, before they had good defensive players, won a Super Bowl.

in 2019, which is it's going to be boom, bust. We're going to send the house repeatedly, and maybe we'll get beat, but maybe we'll force a turnover, maybe we'll tip a pass, and that's how we're going to make up for a lack of talent on defense because the lions, because they've suffered all those injuries. So I do have massive respect for what the lions have done and how they have embodied their coach's culture, and I have respect for Brad Holmes, the GM, who said, I don't care that people are going to roll their eyes at a draft that goes running back, inside backer, tight-in safety.

Because those are devalued positions, I'm going to get the best or second best player in the draft at all four spots. And while everyone else is taking defensive end seven and wide receiver six, I'm going to get starters. So I truly respect all of that. Same. Do I like them? No, I don't like anyone but my team that's about to win the third straight Super Bowl.

Like, I don't like any of these teams. But I will tell you as far as, if it is one versus one, Chiefs, Lions, it is going to be, when they show those maps of who's rooting for who, the Chiefs will have Missouri and Kansas, and the Lions will have all other 48 states. Yeah. It will, even though they're 15 and 2, it will feel like the underdog because of who they And yeah, if someone's got to win a Super Bowl that's not the Chiefs, I suppose it'd be fine if it'd be the Lions.

But unfortunately, the Chiefs win all the Super Bowls. And so they're probably just not going to. Okay. Well, I love that confidence. You, you're a great poker player. So you have confidence even with losing hands. And I think that's imperative to be a great poker player. And I also think to be a sportscaster, your history is you believe.

even in rough, turbulent waters. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's the thing. It was really hard to believe in the Chiefs this year. Started 15 and 1, and all year long, everyone was saying, what's wrong with them? Real quick, if I may, before I go, happy belated birthday. My wife, who you always say such kind things about, said to me yesterday, she said, you know it's Colin's birthday.

And I was like, oh, I didn't because I'm a man and I don't remember such things. And she said, are you going to call him? And I was like, no, I don't think I'm going to call him. She was like, that's, she's like, Nick, he's your friend. You need to call him. And I'm like, I think he would find that odd. She was like, at least text him. So that birthday text you got from yesterday was really just because she told me to.

Like, it doesn't feel like I love you with all my heart. And it really felt weird even sending you that. I was like, I'll talk to him on TV the next day. Happy birthday, buddy. Well, I appreciate it. I'm one of these guys that says, I don't care about birthdays, and then I got all these texts and these nice gifts, and I, will be honest with you. It was very nice.

So I appreciated it. What nice gifts? Wow. I guess I fell short. I just sent a text. I wasn't even going to send it. I'll pay for that bottle of wine you were stunting on Twitter if you just send me an invoice. I'll buy you that retroactively.

See you, buddy. See you, buddy. I'll send Nick write an invoice. That's what I'll do. Now, people were really nice yesterday. You know, most kids that I paid college tuitions for were nice, but I mean, there was something in it, you know, but no, the point. People

are very tough. And I'm one of these guys that say, yeah, I'm always out there. I don't care about birthdays, and then people say nice stuff, and it warms your heart. So who am I kidding? I'm a big soft, nothing. I'm out here like, oh, I don't care. I have no emotions. And I get all teary-eyed when I get a backpack from a friend. Give me, give me a break. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd, weekdays in noon

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Yeah, we were talking about the Lions improving under Dan Campbell 3, 13 and 1 to 9 and 8 to 12 and 5 to 15 and 2. and it's just been this put your head down, dust yourself off, draft and develop, don't bring anybody in, and it just keeps working. I think a lot of people see themselves, you know, sort of as the Lions in America. I think they've just improved. And people resent when you take shortcuts, whether it's for your football team, basketball team, or in life. So, you know, it's, I don't think there's any question.

If the Detroit Lions make the Super Bowl against the Kansas City Chiefs, it will shatter every record. I predicted Ohio State and Oregon was going to shatter records, and that was a terrible game, and that broke record. So there are certain games you can see in our business that are just big. Detroit making the Super Bowl is going to shatter every Super Bowl viewing record. I think they represent the middle of the country. It's like I said yesterday, it's the Chicago Cubs in shoulder pads. And everybody remembers that, you know, Cubs World Series and Joe Buck on the call

and it just, it resonates. Like people, people want to see people who have had a hard life. Nobody wants to see the wealthy guy win powerball. Like, nobody wants to see that. That's what the Warriors felt like. They already had money and they got Kevin Durant. People resented that, even though the Warriors had built up through the draft, a really good team that had already won a title.

People thought it was too rich of icing for already a great wealthy cake. They didn't like it. Detroit is doing it the right way. I was surprised because Golden State, to me, did it the right way. And then just like a lot of teams, they went and added a piece. A lot of teams do that. I mean, Shaq and D. Wade won a title. Nobody resented that.

I mean, the Celtics had Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, and they had to Paul Pierce, and nobody resented that. But, boy, when KD is so great, then when KD went to the Warriors, people were like, and it didn't matter that Steph, Clay, and Draymond. It didn't matter they were drafted and developed. And that they, Drayvon was second round and Clay Thompson played at Little Washington State. And Steph Curry played at Davidson. It was like, and they won before Kevin Durant got there. It just felt like too much.

People push back. Wealthy guy won power ball. Gross. We don't like it. So I think Detroit's the opposite of that. They are all homegrown. They've done it the right way. They've dusted themselves off.

And, you know, it's hard for me not, Philadelphia has been there many times. It's hard for me not to root for Detroit. I don't like rooting for teams per se. I don't want confirmation bias. You know, I want to come in clean every day with here's my opinion based on what I saw. It'd be hard not to root for Detroit to get to a Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. It'd be hard not to because we've all witnessed what's happened for the previous, most of the previous 50 years. J-Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's quickly go to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones and the potential. extension for Mike McCarthy with his contract set to expire exactly one week from today. Jerry continues to figure out how to handle things, but the Bears have requested an interview with McCarthy about their opening. McCarthy said that he absolutely wants to return to Dallas, but things can change quickly. Now, the Cowboys and Bears play next season. Coward,

if you're advising McCarthy, what are you telling them? Caleb Williams on a rookie contract, or DAC off a second injury being paid like Mahomes, I think the Bears is very interesting. It's not like the Cowboys have great ownership. They have a meddling owner. If I can get a talented quarterback for four years on a rookie contract, despite reservations about the executive suite, that's very interesting to me.

And I think Chicago's got more high-end players than Dallas. Montez-Wet, Jalen Johnson, Caleb Williams, DJ, more. I mean, there's like four or five really high-end players. Roller Densee, yeah. So, if you're McCarthy and you really want to get Dallas and Chicago hot for you, could you get a third team involved?

Our producer here said what if the Jets made a play for McCarthy that would easily run off Aaron Rogers and then McCarthy gets to start a new in New York? Rogers is not playing for McCarthy, given how that ended in Green Bay. I just watched that Enigma, that Gotham Choper documentary on

Aaron Rogers. And Aaron Rogers was complimented throughout by Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy said nice things about him. I don't think, I think in retrospect, I mean, a lot of people, you know, they date, they don't date, they get back to dating. I don't think everything is as final as sometimes the media presents. I think Aaron and Mike McCarthy for a year could work. Oh, wait, wait, wait. So it was only, I believe, three years ago, right? maybe two, two or three years ago when the falling out began and the stories came out that they would walk past each other in the halls and Green Bay would not talk to each other.

Like the season ended really, really ugly. But Aaron now is much more vulnerable and McCarthy would come in with all the power now. McCarthy would have a five-year deal. Aaron would have no power. Aaron at that time was American matinee idol. He was MVP. He was MVP. Aaron had all the power.

and we know when Aaron has power, he can be difficult. Now he would have virtually no power. So the relationship... The dynamic has shifted in. Totally shifted. I think McCarthy and Aaron could work. Aaron was young. I mean, Aaron walked into Green Band was poking.

According to the books I've read, poking Brett Farb in the ribs, and Farb was the most popular player in the league. That's Aaron's personality. Aaron now has no leverage with the new coach. None. Well, it's kind of me. I came in here.

I was poking you a little bit. You're the most popular guy in sports media? No, I don't think so. No, no pokey? Okay, all right. Let's move on to the Pittsburgh Steelers who enter the postseason on a four-game losing skid. Now, one of them came against the Ravens, who they faced this week, and they are now 10-point underdogs, Colin. To make matters worse, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh have another unfortunate streak.

Eight seasons without a playoff win, something Tomlin wants to take sole ownership of. What you mentioned is my story. It's not this collective story. Many of these guys involved do not tote those bags. I happily tote those bags. But it's not something that I'm going to project on the collective. Next four weeks will be defined by a string of nails, our ability to focus on task at hand to win moments,

to prepare with an edge, to be hyper and singularly focused. It's just, I don't think it's crazy that the Chicago Bears and Mike Tomlin. I mean, the years, let's be honest. The old I work at one company for 35 years. That stuff doesn't exist except maybe in like factories, and even those factories, you know, they get bought out by somebody overseas. Those days are over. Pat Riley used to say after 10 years, people just, they just don't hear your voice. Andy Reid, do you think he, go look at Andy Reid's career.

elevated, leaving a great franchise and going to another one. Well, I don't know that it was his choice to leave. What I'm saying is you can look at it and say, oh, I don't know. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I'm starting to wonder when Kyle Shanahan, you think I'm crazy on this. Everybody loves Kyle. I'm seeing the same results at the end of the year. If McCaffrey doesn't play, they don't win.

You want me to be honest or be a good teammate and be like, hey, okay. That's a take. Which one do you want? I'd just, I'd rather you always be authentic. Okay. The runoff Tomlin stuff, just, that's silly. Come on, dude. They're not getting, I don't care if they lose 4.0.

There's, you're not moving off Tomlin, dude. He is the Steelers franchise. You think Steelers, you think Mike Tomlin, tough, awesome, relevant every year. But come on. Joe Montana was the Niners franchise. He had injuries and they had a guy waiting in the wings. Who do you replacing Tomlin with? If you want to present to me a guy, this is the future of the Steelers.

she's our next decade guy. And then I would at least listen, but you can't just get rid of Tomlin. The market's bear. Look at who's out there. You see what? The bears are looking at, what, 13 dudes? Like, Jokers.

I mean, Drew Petsing. Come on. Do you want the Steelers to be interviewing, you know, Joey bag of donuts like that next week? Because you ran off Tomlin? I'm not saying you run Tomlin off. Tennessee just ran their GM off after 15 minutes.

We'll get to that in the final hour. Let's save your good material for that. So some Steelers' playoff failures, notes from our staff here, they've lost five straight playoff games. They trail by 20 or more in each of them. Read that again for the audience. Read that again. Five straight playoff games, they lost. The Steelers.

And in each of the games, they trailed by 20 or more. And you think it's crazy to suggest it may be time. Well, the fact that he's getting them to the playoffs where they're facing the creme de la creme, like, listen, that's impressive that you're getting there. You've trailed in all of those playoff games by 20. 20 points. Yeah, but you're facing... Baker Mayfield. Well, that game was...

I think that was the Ben Rothersberger meltdown. But anyways, they are 3 and 8 over their last 13 postseason and their wins are against Alex Smith, Matt Moore, and... Oh, my gosh, A.J. McCarran. So, it's been a minute. We'll just say that. Been a minute? It's been a minute since they've done anything good in the postseason.

Final story, Colin to the NFC, Buck's host the Commander Sunday. Rematch of the week one matchup. Tampa, they blew out Washington. 3720, but listen, that was Jaden's first game as a pro. Todd Bowles recognizes the differences ahead of the wild card matchup. I know this first time starting first game. They're a lot different.

They're a lot better all the way around. You know, we're a different team, and they're a different team. So it'll be a tough ball game. He can beat you a ton of ways from the pocket, out of the pocket with his leg, with his arm. They've got a lot of characters around them that can really play balls. So it's going to be a tough game. I got nothing on this game yet. Do you have any cheddar?

I think I... Tampa feels like the side. I mean, now the number's three, so it's not as attractive. But Tampa has an ability. I got a lot of experience in that building. I've got a lot of playoff experience. I mean, they've won that division, what, four years in a row? I got a lot of dudes that have played in a lot of big playoff games.

I think... Dan Quinn's been in some big ones. Yeah, but that roster, none of those players haven't been in... I'm curious if Marshawn Lattimore is ago, he was picked up by Washington supposed to... Well, he gave him. He's got a history. He's got a history with Evans. That would be huge if he could play.

Last time we saw him, he was getting cooked by, I think it was Drake London on the member that Falcons Washington game. Well, cooked's a little strong. Bro, he had like three penalty. Three pass and a fierce penalty. Should have been a fourth. I kind of want to take Washington. I need some more time on this one. That's a game I don't feel comfortable.

That's how I feel about Rams Vikings. Oh, stop. Come on. That's your layup of the week. Not quite free money, but I feel very good about the Rams. getting points, money lines. You know, Nick made it a rare good point when he said that, you know, you're blinded by Sam Darnold, and you just can't see through it.

You like him. You don't want him to lose. No, I don't want him to lose badly. If he loses 28, 27 in place, well, I'm good with it. You're fine. Yeah, I don't want him to stink. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

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What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry. Our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous.

That's right. The very funny, Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault.

And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why?

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wherever you get your podcast. Sunday on Fox after a historic season, Sequin Barkley and the Eagles begin their playoff run against Jordan Love and the Packers in a wild card matchup Sunday at 4 Eastern One Pacific on Fox. Listen, I don't think it's a terrible idea to have Rex Ryan be one of the final three or four candidates for the New York Jets. I don't think it's crazy. He wouldn't be my first pick, but I don't think it's crazy because it's a broken franchise.

And he is a culture changer. And that's why I think Vrable to the Bears make sense. I don't think the New England Patriots culture is broken. I just don't think Gerard Mayo. I thought it was over his skis. I don't think the culture is broken. There's a difference. You know, like right now Tennessee needs a quarterback.

Brian Callahan, to me, pretty interesting coach. And they've got some personnel I like. They just don't have the right quarterback. don't confuse those two. But Rex Ryan is putting his name out there for coach of the Jets. And just because I think it would be fascinating to have Alpha Rex Ryan defensive guy who does not know how to handle quarterbacks and then Aaron Rogers in the same building, I think it would be just, again, it's hard knock.

Start micing him up now. Here's Rex Ryan. Clearly, when you have a guy that doesn't show up for mandatory minicamp, and by the way, is your quarterback coming off an injury, I think that's an absolutely ridiculous message you sent, to the team. If he comes back, things would be different. If he's back, it ain't going to be the country club, you know, show up whenever the hell you want to show up. That ain't going to happen. That is a very popular populist message. We'll be tough around here. And by the way, Dan Campbell

had some of that stuff, although he didn't call anybody individually. I don't think you want to call Aaron Rogers out personally. I don't think that's the smartest thing to do. But Rex Ryan always leads with his chin. That's sort of who he is. It wouldn't be my friend. first choice, but he got along with Woody Johnson, but I thought Nick Wright, I got to bring it back about 30 minutes ago. I had a funny reference on Rex Ryan potentially being the Jets head coach again. If Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all-time coup. I don't think it'll be a good decision, but you don't do politics on this show smartly, and this isn't political, but I do want to give people, if they don't know it, a brief history lesson. Long time ago,

back in, gosh, the late 90s, when George W. Bush was running for president, he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be. And Dick Cheney did a bunch of research and then was like, you know what? After interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me. And he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets. Tanenbaum gets hired to pick the next GM. I'm thinking Mike Tannenbaum's going to have a list, and at the top of the list is going to be Mike Tannenbaum and the coach that he had when he already was the GM, Rex Ryan. Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't, try not to confuse a team that needs something with broken

franchise. I never thought the chargers were broken. I mean, they had the quarterback. You didn't have a meddling owner. You had the left tackle. You had nice weapons. You had a Bosen, Kaleel Mack on the edge, and a star in the backfield, Derwin. and James. They weren't broken. They'd been to the playoffs. One of the few organizations that always gets the quarterback right, Dan Fouts, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert, they weren't a broken franchise. The Jets are broken. The Bears are broken. I think Tennessee and New England just need a, I think New England needs a coach, and I think Tennessee needs a quarterback. So not all franchises that are bad. I thought the Houston Texans were broken, and they got

C.J. Stroud, and they got Dimeco Ryan. So I, they hit on both, we think. But it's funny, I was looking at the draft order just five minutes ago during the break. It is remarkable how often the same franchises draft at the top. For our radio audience, I mean, I just read them in order. Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jags, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Saints, Bears. It feels like, I mean, it's the same old. That's why I have this rule of seven in the NFL.

That at any one time, you have seven great owners, seven great coaches, seven great coordinators, seven great quarterbacks. That's it. You've got like, it's always seven. There's always seven in my entire life. There's been, like right now, let's quarterbacks, let's just take the seven what we consider great coaches. Andy Reed, Shanahan McVeigh, Matt LaFlewer's up there,

Sean Payton's up there. You can throw it out. Mike Tomlin, he's got to be on there. He may be. seven. I'm trying to think of, well, I mean, dude, he has not, again. Is McCarthy on there? He won a Super Bowl? I don't think McCarthy or Tomlin. I'm not sure if they're seven.

They may be eight. Kevin O'Connell doesn't have a playoff game, but he's awesome. Yeah, but I think, you have to contextualize it. Barkley and Marino don't have trophies. They're great. Kevin O'Connell has won with everybody. Dan Campbell? Very interesting. Lafleur? No, I have Lefleur in there. Okay. No, Jim Harbaugh and John Harbaugh. The two Harbaugh. Yeah.

Yeah. So I'm talking great. Peyton. No, I put him in there. So I said Andy Reed, McVeigh, Shanahan. I'm putting LaFleur, both Harbaas. Didn't that give me seven? Hmm.

I'm talking great. Like I consider Sean Payton is the 7-8. It's my whole life you've had about seven great everything. You're coined Nick Siriani? No. And I think Dan Campbell built a great staff. Is Dan? Campbell, a great head coach.

McDermott. McDermott and Buffalo. I can. I think he's very good. I'm talking elite. I'm talking. Nobody questions it. I think he questioned a lot. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

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It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was hiring you. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come until, he's like, you know, I love you, dog.

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