The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Herd Hierarchy

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Colin provides his final Herd Hierarchy ranking the top NFL teams for the 2024-25 season Thoughts on people still blaming the refs during Chiefs games this season   Guest: Nick WrightSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. You know, we're running out of football games now. J. Mack, after last night, Ohio State, Big Ten, Buckeyes National Champs. We got three football games left. Three, that's it. That's it. Was college basketball the bet on tonight?

You want my play? No, you got, let me get, Creighton in the points. No. Xavier minus four. And now you're warm, Duquesne plus three. Oh, Duquesne. I don't know how you missed that one on the board. Yeah, I can barely spell Duques.

Not quite a layup, but it's college hoots and there's sports to watch. All right, so I guess, I mean, don't hold me to it, but I think this is the final herd hierarchy for some time. We'll do them later after free agency, after the coaching hires, after the draft. But I think this is going to be our last one for a while, and here we go on a Tuesday. hierarchy. Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to colleagues. Yes, we're going to start with eight. We've only got eight that are worthy of at the Houston Texans. They outgained the Chiefs by 124 yards and had seven more minutes of time of possession. But they're still a young team. They were god-awful on special teams. They've lost five straight to the Chiefs. Welcome to everybody's

world in the AFC. And they weren't very good against playoff teams, two and six. I feel like they're a little bit like the Green Bay Packers or the Chargers. They just need another draft, another six players. Should be very proud considering where this franchise was three years ago. They're in a really, really cool spot going forward

Texans at 8. Number 7. The Rams. That defense, they're not even paying anybody yet. Watch out. They had 16 sacks in two playoff games. First team to have 10 plus players with a sack, and Jared Verse looks like it could be, uh, they have

found, they're Lawrence Taylor. Maybe not Lawrence Taylor, but they're Lawrence Taylor. I don't know what they're going to do with Cooper Cup, long-term Matt Stafford. But you know what? Since joining the NFL, McVeigh is 19 and 4 in December.

He does about as good as job as anybody not named Andy Reed figuring out the jigsaw puzzle of teams, Rams at 7. Number 6. The Lions. In the end, they just weren't good enough defensively. And I think losing their coordinators, when Dan Campbell's not a scheme guy

could look like Philadelphia a couple years ago. They did lead the NFL in point differential and their all line and run game is just stuff for the record books. They're going to be good. Are they going to be great? Because that's what Buffalo's becoming and Kansas City's been and

what Philadelphia could be. So I have Detroit at number six. Number five. The Ravens. The Ravens are the bills two, three years ago where they'll out gain you, outwow you, and turn the ball over. I I mean, listen to this. O and 12 all time in the playoffs when they lose the turnover battle,

and they keep losing it. They didn't have a punt and averaged seven and a half yards against the bills and lost. This is what Buffalo did years ago until Buffalo figured out. Efficiency over flamboyant and fireworks. They do have the number one scoring defense. I love their coach. I love Lamar Jackson Ravens at five. Number four.

I think the commanders are for real, because I think Jaden Daniels, even better than Andrew Luck, is absolutely special. led the NFL in touchdown passes with an average O-line and one-star receiver this year. More than Mahomes, or Josh Allen or Stafford. That's insane. Highest passer rating by any quarterback.

Remember last year when I picked them to make the playoffs and everybody said, well, there's too much change. And I said, yeah, they're getting rid of bad people, putting in good people. I don't care about change. If you're improving everywhere you make change, this team, this is the worst roster Jaden Daniels is ever going to have. They got the most cap space along with New England, think they're up top of the league next year

near the top. So I think they're a real team. I think they can beat Philadelphia. Number three. The Eagles. Listen, they've won back-to-back playoff games throwing for under 125 yards. Their passing offense was 31st in the league. There's so much I like about Jalen Hertz.

I don't love him throwing from the pocket, but I love the receivers, the O-line. They're just a very special team. They do things. They do things that bad teams do. They move off coaches. They're, you know, like sometimes they're active for the sake it feels like of being active. But, I mean, they almost had as many rushing yards as the Rams had passing yards.

I think it's the best roster in the NFL. I think it has been for the last couple of years, Philadelphia at three. Number two. Kansas City. I mean, and again, I say this with the best coach and the best quarterback on the planet. There's not much to say. But they've won an NFL record, 16 straight games, including the playoffs with one-score games because efficiency does have at some point limitations.

Like eventually the, you know, the Patriots did get knocked off and lost Super Bowls a couple of times to one team the New York Giants. They were out first, let's do this. First team in NFL history to be outgained by 100 yards, create no turnovers, and win a playoff game. So, I mean, part of me is like in all of what they do. And then part of me is like, I think that works against everybody, not names. the Buffalo Bills.

Number one. I think they're going to win the Super Bowl. I think it's the best version. They're what the Ravens need to be. Efficient. They do not give up sacks. They don't get penalized. They don't turn it over.

They can beat you with Davis or Cook the running back. They've got two tight ends. They've got three wide receivers. I think their old lines, the most underrated in the league. Maybe not Philly or Detroit, but really, really good. I think this is the year. Now, I don't necessarily think it's going to be the year, and then another year, and then another year. I don't know if that's it.

But this is really, they're the chiefs without the trophies. Front office, ownership, quarterback. And I thought Sean McDermott, for all the criticism, we have to be fair in this business, I thought he had a great weekend. From the first series on, I thought Sean McDermott had an Andy Reid-like game plan. They changed in the game, saw that Baltimore was a little squirrely, didn't have Zay flowers. We don't have to take big swings.

Let's just be smart. Convert key plays. And there is my top eight. I've said before, whoever wins the AFC has winning the Super Bowl. In my opinion, that's how it's going to work. And with that, Nick Wright joins us. You know, you've grew up in Kansas City and lived in Houston.

It's funny about perception. Like, Houston should be overjoyed. I know they're disappointed. But where they were three years ago, They should be overjoyed. And yet I think Detroit wakes up this morning and goes, what are we? The lions worry me, Nick, because like the Eagles, if they lose those two coordinators, every year a great team regresses.

I look at the lions and wonder, Dan Campbell's culture thing may have a ceiling here. Anything that worries you on that list? Oh, well, I mean, worries me on the list. I mean, you have the two-time defending champion one seed that's undefeated in the playoffs against the bills behind the bills. But we can address that in a moment. As far as concerns me about the lions, yeah, listen, I don't want to panic, but I also don't want to underreact. I think it would probably be a good bet to say in five years, are we going to look back and say, oh, damn.

Their best chance was in 2023 and 2024. Right. In 2023, when they have a two-scorer lead in the NFC championship game. And then in 2024, when they're playing a rookie at home in their building and the defense

there's nothing you can do about the defensive injuries. That's bad luck and that's the cruelty of the NFL. You can maybe ask your coordinator, who's now the head coach of the Bears. You know the player who in his brief NFL career has been suspended twice and about an hour ago had, let's call it, a colorful erotic celebration in the end zone?

Yeah. Let's not trust his judgment to throw the biggest pass of our season. Maybe, maybe let's put the ball in some more trustworthy hands. The problem is the trustworthy hands are Jared Goff's tiny hands, and he had a brutal game, and you wonder how much that's going to haunt him moving forward? I do think the Lions are excellent, and the injuries is mostly what killed him. But the reality in this league is very simple. If you don't have a superhero at quarterback,

everything's got to go perfect. You can win, but everything's got to go perfect. The Lions have a great civilian. unit quarterback, not a superhero. And when things get a little askew and he needs to carry you, he had his worst game in the worst moment. So I'm not like selling my lion stock, but I wouldn't buy any more of it either. So I defended, again, I know I'm a Lamar apologist, but on the interception, Bateman

stopped running. Mark Andrews dropped a two-point conversion. Mark Andrews fumbled. And on the snap, Lamar fumbled, he had to be super-bromber. man to save it. I'm not saying he was great, but I'm saying he continues to go into these playoff games. They have no number one receivers. They Flowers didn't fly. Mark Andrews had his worst game as a pro. They were the favorite. I listened to you all year. Talk about how complete the team is. This is that I am not going to allow this to happen everywhere.

Because all year long, it's the same song and dance two years in a row. The Ravens of the best team. DVOA says they're one of the 10 best teams ever. Forget the fact that they lost five times. No, no, no. They're coming together the right time. Also have to hear this. Look at the numbers. Lamar's the MVP. Look at how four picks all year. And if you watch the tape on them, none of them were his fault. They were all good passes. That's the narrative going into the playoffs. Then the playoff loss happens and it's like, man, that roster wasn't that good. And why didn't they let Derek Henry run the ball that much? Why did they put the ball in the hands of the league MVP?

We can't do it. I'm not going to kill Lamar. He was very good in the second half and almost pulled it out of the fire. Now, the Mark Andrews drop, Colin, if we are being fair, because we're all gamblers here. if he had caught that two-point conversion, the Bills would have been live betting still like minus 400 to win the game. Do the math on it because it would have been Bill's ball tie game, minute 33 left.

The Ravens would have had with two timeouts. The Ravens would have had to get the stop and then also win in overtime. So even with the Mark Andrews, if he catches it, the Ravens are big dogs, and they're big dogs because a player who did not have have a single multi-turnover game all year. Turn the ball over twice in the first half. We can blame Rashad Bateman for a pass. You know who doesn't?

Lamar Jackson, who said it flatly. I didn't look the safety off over through the ball. You might be right. The snap was bad. He had recovered from that and then set the ball on the ground. We are now eight career playoff games. Four times. He has multiple turnovers.

That's half. 94 career regular season games, 14 times. He has multiple turnovers. That's 15%. Colin, you were right on the Peyton Manning comparison, which is why I do think eventually Lamar will win a Super Bowl. What I don't think is right is that when we were in the midst of this with Peyton Manning, everyone was killing him.

Everyone's like, how can you be the best player in the league in the regular season? and then consistently not good in the playoffs. And with Lamar Jackson, everyone's like, man, he tried so hard, and he wants it so bad. It's patronizing to the player. And so, no, I don't, I don't buy this. And the number of people who yelled at me all year, he's the league MVP, and then got on TV Monday, and they're like, why'd they give Lamar the ball so much? Derek Henry's right there.

Well, then maybe he's the league MVP. I don't know, but we'll do it again next year. Lamar can win all the MVPs, get all the first team all pros, and then everyone can, in the playoffs, be like, who could have seen that coming? I mean, I don't know. I just don't buy it. Great player.

Struggles in the biggest moments. Let's talk Jaden Daniels. I think Washington can win. Andrew Luck is the best. I remember Elway. I'm old enough to remember Elway's rookie year, kind of. He played about three quarters of the games. He had like double the picks as he did touchdowns,

and he's an all-timer. Could have played baseball or football. And then I watched Andrew Luck, who threw a lot of picks, but boy, he was good with a bad team. Well, I would argue the commander's team is closer to Andrew Lux than it is any of these like playoff teams that he's playing against. He was the best fourth quarter quarterback. I think we're seeing one of the great quarterbacks. I don't think it took long. In fact, there were practices with Patrick Mahomes, his rookie year.

There were practices that video got out. And people were like, you're not going to believe it. There was discussions about Lamar as a rookie. You're like, yeah, we can't tackle him in practice. Herbert's first game. Joe Burrow with a horrible offensive line year one. I don't think it's a fluke. I think Jaden Daniels, I think we're looking at like 70% Mahalms,

25% Lamar. I think it's different. His decision making makes no sense. I mean, Dan Quinn's a good coach. He's not Andy Reid. Cliff Kingsbury is a good coordinator. Was he McVeigh? I'm, you see I'm crazy.

I think the best quarterbacks in the league are. I don't think you're great. My Holmes, Alan, Burrow, I'd put Lamar four. I'm not so sure Jaden Daniels isn't five, and I don't think I'm overreaching. So I don't, so here's the thing. I don't think you're overreaching either. The only pump the brakes piece of this is there was a little bit of this with CJ after the playoffs last year.

There was even a little bit of this with Jordan Love after the playoffs last year. I think they both regressed a bit this year. Jaden, though, has had a better season and playoff run than either of those players. It's the greatest rookie season ever. I've been skeptical of Jaden's ability to stay healthy because of his frame and his play style. But that's a different discussion. That is a totally different discussion than how good he is right now. By the way, I totally, despite everything I said about Lamar, he's consensus, no doubt,

a top five quarterback. In fact, there are four consensus, no doubt, top five quarterbacks. You listed them. Mahomes, Alan, Burrow, Lamar. At number five, though, there's about six guys who people could make an argument for. Yep. There's an argument for Justin Herbert, if we pretend the playoffs don't exist. There's an argument for my guy, Baker Mayfield.

There's an argument for Matt Stafford, who is who I would have had. There's some people would say, Dak, when he's healthy. Some people had been arguing Brock Purdy until this year happened. And I'm, you know, Jordan Love, C.J. Stroud. There's seven guys you could argue go there. I totally agree with you, Colin. He now has as strong of an argument as anybody. Like, I don't know definitively who the fifth best quarterback in the league is.

But I do know that if somebody says it's Jaden Daniels, the really only argument against it is he hasn't done enough yet, but what he's been allowed to do, which is only play this one year, he continues to exceed expectations. No, so I don't think you're, like, who, I think I would say Stafford is fifth, but Stafford's also turning 37 and, you know, maybe the best football's behind him. I don't know. It's open for him. That's for darn sure.

Yeah, I mean, we said that about C.J. Stroud, but C.J. Stroud wasn't hyper-mobile. He was a pure pocket guy. His comp was goff. this kid give you and we all said this coming in i watched a ton of his college there was a lot of lamar here but not lamar so he got seduced by running he's still a pocket guy so he's better than lamar as a rookie from the pocket and i'll be honest with you um he's more athletic than mahomes running may not be him the thrower but i don't know i i see a lot of lamar i see a lot of mahomes finally though so we both love chicago and our friend annie parkins and i had said

Quarterbacks and coordinators, it kind of depends where you land. And the Bears are a gravel road with politics and potholes everywhere. And he just came from Detroit, and Dan Campbell helped make that with the O-Line and running game, a paved road. I don't know if it's going to be LaFleur or Adam Gaths. What is your guess with Ben Johnson and the Bears? What's it closer to? Well, listen, I think it's the best hire they could have made. support it 100%.

You have talked about this extensively. I agree with you. If you have an established veteran quarterback and you need a head coach, then maybe adding a culture guy like a Vrabel or Harbaal, who I know is an offensive mind, but he's more about culture, when you have Herbert already there, fine.

If you have a young quarterback that you're hoping will be a superstar, the best case scenario is pairing him with an offensive-minded head coach, so you don't have to go on the rolling wheel of, oh, we lost our offensive coordinator. Like everything we just said about Jaden, I don't think it's going to happen, but what happens if Cliff Kingsbury does such a good job, he gets a head coaching job, and now Jaden's with a new offensive coordinator. That's potentially problematic. You worry about that a little bit with CJ in Houston as well with a defensive-minded head coach.

So I agree with the hire, but I'm really glad you preface it with LaFleur Gase, meaning there are a lot more examples of the young offensive first-time head coach WizKid not working than there are, oh, it's a home run. The home runs are recent, post-McVey, the only real home runs are McVeigh and Kevin O'Brien. O'Connell. And listen, I love Kevin O'Connell, but he's yet to win a playoff game, even though, you know, they've been at home and both of them. And LaFleur, nobody probably has benefited from the playoffs expanding to seven seeds more from six more than LaFleur, because last three years more missed the playoffs, seven seed, seven seed. And again, I think those are great head coaches. Those are the successes. The failures are, you know, a dozen names. And so anyone acting like this is a short. thing I think is foolish, but it's a bet, and I think it's a smart bet. And one thing you've been, I think, correct on is the bear's attachment to the 85 bears and that we want to be defense

and we want, you know, it's 40 years ago. This to me signals they're okay, maybe moving past that. You know what I mean? We're going offense. We're going young. We're going smart. And now there is huge expectation, Colin, on Caleb. Like, the, there is part of me, whenever I watch Jaden Daniels, I get a little, you know, choked up because I'm like, this is the life that I saw Caleb living, taking the world by storm. And by the way, a sidebar, how much credit do I get for the take that it's going to be in the Super Bowl chiefs against a rookie quarterback from the NFC? I mean, I'm like 95% right.

Now, I said it was going to be against Caleb, but I mean, I just got to be. one door down from the greatest take of the year if it's chiefs against jaden daniels i said the number one big is number two pick basically the best prediction of the season but that's the year i thought caleb could have this year the one jaden's having so the expectations are now ratcheted because some from his own draft class crushed it and they got the right head coach okay so i got to get we got about two minutes left and i got to ask you i defended the officiating with kansas city first of all it's not challengeable they tried it with p i didn't work it's not challengeable. Second, Dwayne

Wade, James Hardin, a lot of the great players, Mahomes, they sell it. That's called manipulation. It's called leverage. I'm not going to... The other thing is, when the Will Anderson hit came, my take is I looked at it and I went, oh, that's head hunting.

So thank you. That's what I say. I know we don't have a lot of time. The Will Anderson hit. Everyone that's being honest, you can hate this, but on the TV copy, real time. It's like, oh, yeah, he cracked him in the head. Yeah. And then they show the first replay, watch Mahomes here.

Yeah. And you're saying you watch that on TV and you weren't like, oh, that's high. And then you see that, which is what the ref saw. You're like, oh, that's high. Yeah. Then you see this and you're like, oh, that's high. It's only this angle. And I don't even know if they're going to show it the side one where you're like, oh, no, it was more glancing blow. That's right. And so that is, you can hate that call. That call gets made for every quarterback, certainly every Pro Bowl, much less star quarterback. Yeah. Go ahead.

We went to the rule book yesterday. The rule. That was a real. That's the right call. Yeah. The rule says to officials, when in doubt, call it. Like in baseball. Call it.

And by the way. And listen, I love Buck and Akeman. I love them. But what they miss on this was that one was reviewed by New York. And New York didn't overturn it because there was some, albeit marginal, contact from the helmet to Mahom's face mask. So that call, if you hate that call, then you hate the rule. The other one was a bad call. I'm not denying it was a bad call, and Mahomes baited them into it. And we can, if we want to penalize quarterbacks, take their protections away when they

bait them into it, that's fine. But let me just finish real quick and then go. I don't like the side. I don't like the sideline stuff with Mahomes, though. Me neither. He's got to get out of that. The league's got to change that. So two points. Because you're, so first of all, that, this. This one here, this is why everyone's lost their mind. They're totally right. He was trying to bait him and he flopped. No penalty was called.

That's right. Everyone's like, oh my God, there was no penalty. Everyone's mad at an idea that it could have happened. The one, the bad call that we didn't show when he's running around and slides late. I think it's dangerous. I don't like it. I think it's taken advantage of the rules. I get all that.

Also, if they don't call this penalty, well, look, it's first. 10, Colin. He runs five yards. Oh my God. The Chiefs would have been backed all the way up to second and five. Shut up. You know why the Texans lost? Because they scored one touchdown in a playoff game at Arrowhead, and they had one of the worst special team performances in modern NFL history. That's why they lost, because their vaunted defensive line got three sacks while the Chief's defensive line got eight. All the whining. And Will Anderson saying, oh yeah, we knew going into the game, it's going to be up against the reps. Then don't have the first time you hit the quarterback, you hit him in the neck.

And if you know it's going to be you against the refs, maybe aim for the chest. So everyone can keep their complaining. There was one awful call in the NFL playoffs, game-changing call. The DPI against Baltimore at the end of the first half. Yeah. Nobody cares because nobody actually cares about bad officiating. They only care about trying to find a reason that the league, by the way, and I'm sorry, I'm late, but you put me on this.

This idea that it's rigged. Guys, you do understand the league is the 32 owners. So the 31 other owners are like, damn. I guess we're rigging it for Can City again. You don't think McNair and Houston is like, hey, guys, I don't want to rig it for the Chiefs.

And they're like, shut up, doesn't matter. You know, so ridiculous. Thank you for bringing that up. Oh, yeah, okay. You know, your tant had to, we needed an exclamation point with your rants today. And that was it, buddy. Good scene.

Yeah. See you, bye. All right. Nick Wright, first things first. It is funny. The first one looked like it. And the sideline stuff they got to get rid of. But there was no penalty.

Like, so everybody's furious. There was no flag on the play. And I always think this when people think, ah, the sports rigged. Wouldn't you rig it for New York, L.A. and Chicago teams? Wouldn't you rig it for the Cowboys or the Steelers? No, you'd rig it for the team that, has Taylor Swift and Caitlin Clark in the box. That's who you'd rig it for.

Nobody thinks it's rigged. But the she's just... Well, no, I think there's a bunch of Yahoo's on the internet who believe the earth is flat, too. So, I mean, what do you want? However, let's be real. I gave you the numbers yesterday, and I know it triggered a lot of cheese fans. In the last 10 Chiefs playoff games, nine of them,

the opponent has had more penalties and more penalty yards. I know, let me guess. It's just discipline and coaching in every single game. Time out for years. During the Patriots run for a decade, they never fumbled. That's just luck. No, no, luck is winning the power ball. If you won it 10 years in a row, you got a scheme.

You got it. The Patriots forever never fumbled. Why? Because they were so, go out of settlement. Because they determined that turnovers were winning and losing games. And so, like, I do think there are teams that do better with ball security. Buffalo in the last two years has literally changed as a franchise. Their ball security issues are all gone.

I understand your defense of this, but you do realize that 99% of America is rooting against the Chiefs because they're watching the same games we are and seeing that Kansas City gets seemingly every flag in every high-leverage spot. Go to the Bengals game this season, Colin. You know, I mean, fourth and 16, you get this phantom flag. It's like, what the hell's going on here? That's why America is rooting for Buffalo. and Josh Allen this weekend.

I know you are too. You're rooting, Buffalo. I don't root. I don't do that. I'm America. You're above rooting? I'm America's honesty broker. I can't be out there at Palm on it.

That's not, I can't do that. May the best team win. How about this? Can we ask Fox to get us some Buffalo Bills jerseys for Monday? No. When the bills win and we, I'll wear Thurman Thomas. Don't lure me into your nonsense, your hijinks. How is this?

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Let's get started with Travis Kelsey. Sure. Let's go back to the Kansas City Chiefs. Everybody's least favorite team. You know, Kelsey had a rough season, Colin. Let's be real. But he was big in the division around 117 yards and a touchdown. The media asked Andy Reid about the type of energy.

Travis Kelsey brings to, regardless of his production. It's that positive mindset that you can do anything. and I think he does a great job with that. At his age, he goes out there every day and practices are. And if you try to take him out, he gets mad at you. So I think that's a special thing for an older player.

I mean, there is a common thread among great athletes is the ones that are highly competitive. They were talking about that with Riley Lennon. entered last night. They're like, the kid just is, you know, throwing up on the sidelines. And I think Kelsey has that ability, that is, he's gotten a little rickety and older, very much gronk. Red lights on, he's money. And he's always open. He just, he is a manipulator of defense. I'm almost certain he didn't play in the regular season finale. But his last game was Christmas. So by the time this Bill's Chiefs rolls around, Kelsey will have played one game in a month.

He's going to be fresh. It's going to be like a spring chicken out there. At Arrowhead, young Travis Kelsey. That's a problem for Buffalo, which really doesn't defend the middle of the field well. And we got Kelsey's playoff career numbers. I mean, these are staggering, Colin. He's one of the best tight ends in the history of the sport. Oh, I think he... Look at these numbers.

I mean, I think there's four great tight ends ever. Kellynne Winslow, Grunt Kelsey, Shannon Sharp, Tony Gonzalez up there, too, maybe five. That feel different. I mean, there's, listen, and what's great about it is George Kittle was a middle round draft pick, and Travis Kelsey was a middle round. Antonio Gates wasn't drafted. It's a very interesting position

because you have a defensive end body, but you can catch. And for years and years, the NFL did not know what to do with tight end. I mean, they're still wildly underpaid. We all know running backs are underpaid. The problem is the good tight ends like Brock Bowers, You can push them outside and have them be receivers, and they're paid like tight ends. And we're getting these bigger, stronger athletes who are 65, 6, 6, 6, 6, 48, and they run.

And you're like, okay, they've become incredible weapons over the course of my life. Running backs and receivers and quarterbacks have always mattered. Left tackles have always been important, so are pass rushers. The smart coaches know how to use the tight end, and Andy Reid's an expert. It's going to be interesting. What do the bills do? because Bernard had that huge strip of Mark Andrews. Do you try to match up Bernard with Kelsey?

Bernard's pretty damn good. I know he hasn't had an amazing season, but he's talented. And that leaves Milano to spy Mahomes, because you know Mahomes with all these cheap runs that he does and picking up 15 yards, you know. Cheap runs? Well, you know, it's like the backyard football and Mahomes next thing you know he's got 25 yards down the side.

They count, by the way. They do count, yeah. I mean, but he does it often. It's smart football. He's great. I'm not knocking him by saying cheap runs, but you've got to spy Mahomes, right? You have to

I don't feel that I think Patrick runs often in the second half when he has to If you go watch first half on script He doesn't like he doesn't run much And then second half he'll run But Josh Allen runs Those are different runs

Josh Allen's running you over Mahomes is just running and then trying to draw a flag Anyway so the Buffalo Bill's pass rush Rousseau Von Miller-Epanesa They're built to take down these Chiefs. I mean, Houston had, how many sacks was it? Three, four sacks against Mahomes?

I think this Buffalo team's going to be live. I'm worried about the secondary injuries, though. We're going to have to wait to see what happens in practice with Rapp. Well, Kansas City is about one O-line injury from being in trouble. So both teams cross your fingers in different units. I got a men's league game Sunday. Do I have to skip that to watch a second? Yeah, I think I've got to skip that.

Next story is Matt Stafford's future. We talked about it yesterday. Well, what about Cooper Cup, Colin? What do you think happens with Cooper Cup? Remember, there were some trade speculation. Earlier this season, he has two years left on his deal. Production has dipped considerably over the last few years. He was a triple crown winner in 2021.

He's a big dead cap hit, so they would like to get one more great year out of him. They're going to draft another receiver to go with Puka. They're very Puka dominant. Cuff spoke about his uncertainty. I don't have any clarity on what that's going to look like or anything like that. So, yeah, obviously, we'd love to be in L.A., but I don't know what the, you know, what that sounds like. Do I want to play next year?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, no, yeah. There's no doubt in my mind. I want to play football. I feel like a lot of good football left for me. So, no, I definitely will be playing. I'll be playing football next year. Yeah, off a bye, early in this season, it's just, I don't know if it's degenerative.

You know, the lower part of his body is breaking down. I still think he can be big. He's not separating like, remember he used to be always open. Yeah. Constantly. He's not anymore. Right. So I think could he have a career like Travis Kelsey where he's like your number three receiver in the regular season, but then in the big games, you use him. Could he become that?

But he's very expensive, and he is regressed pretty quickly. So you did hear, I would love to be in L.A. You heard that from him, right? I don't think if I'm the Chargers, that's the answer. I'm not saying the answer, but if you can grab Cooper Cuff, if the Rams cut him loose. He's very expensive. No, cut him loose and take the dead cap or whatever it is. I mean, the Chargers should definitely, it's a grown-up, a leader, knows what it's like to get to a Super Bowl.

I mean, why can't he have a late career surge like Adam Thielen in Carolina? Sorry for the white-on-white comparison, but Adam Thielen has still done well. Remember everybody thought he was washed after Minnesota? He's been pretty good in Carolina. Cooper Cup can be fine for Justin Herbert. I mean, the Rams like him, but they clearly, if you watch the games, he is diminished. He's the two. All right, final story is to the end.

NBA, folks. The Warriors played the Celtics on MLK Day yesterday, and Golden State suffered a 40-point blowout loss, the worst in the Steve Kerr era. Dremont Green is out for at least another week with a calf strain. Jonathan Cominga out the next three weeks. Pods has an abdomen injury. Golden State, remember they had that hot start, 12 and 3. Cowherd, he was all excited for the Warriors. they have gone nine and 18 since. Here's the thing. This is... They don't want to...

They didn't want Jimmy Butler. My take is, who are we fooling here? You need another star, and you don't have it. Take a swing. Take a swing now or in the offseason? I don't think there's a swing to be had now. Well, Jimmy Butler, I mean, it's tough to facilitate a trade for him. Yeah.

I just think you've been trying to kind of fake it the last couple years, and you have your moments in your hafes and your games. They do when they're arrested and feel right. But who are we kidding here? By the way, the Warriors and the Niners had about a six-year run. Niners didn't get a trophy. Warriors did about a six-eight-year run where you were like, wow, this is really

special. And they both got old and a little brittle and a little untalented very quickly. I don't think the 49ers run is definitely dead. Let's see what happens this offseason with Purdy and all these high-price guys. It feels like the Warriors run is over. Oh, it is over.

This is my hot take that, you know, Steph Curry, they missed the playoffs. He can be like, guys, I'm still one of the best players in the league. He's still one of the 10 best players in the league, guys. I don't care what you say. That's no question. If you really want to do it, you move Steph. And you could get, you could absolutely get a, a haul. Now, here's the thing.

Do you want that on your tombstone? The guy who traded Steph Curry. Out of, you know, the greatest dynasty, the NBA, I believe he's ever seen. Pat Riley is the guy that let LeBron go. He's going to have, he's just fine. Well, no, LeBron kind of decided that on his own. He's like, I'm not coming back. But.

Well, you go to Curry and say, where do you want to go? I think that's probably a discussion. Now, Curry's too nice of a guy. He's really embedded in the community. I don't see him asking out. But you know what? I wonder if at some point he's like, you know. Let me tell you something.

These old athletes are like old talk show hosts. They, you poke him in the ribs, and they're not your friend anymore. And so my take is, What's going on here, the The point The point is with Curry If you came up to him and said, Listen, we're considering trading you

And may tick him off And he may just say, They're not sending him to Siberia. No, no, no, no, no. He's going to go to somewhere where he can compete. I mean, if the Yankees, Jeter's a good guy, if the Yankees three years before he retired said, we can get a haul for you.

Jeter wouldn't have been the captain in New York long. They were competing, though, was still near the end of Jeter's career. They were a playoff team every year. I don't even know if the Warriors are a playing team right now. I'm dead serious. Well, they're not. And in the last...

And that's not right for Curry. Is there any way on Earth? The Lakers could get them? Any shot. Anything that's not nailed down, just give it up for Curry. And then you get LeBron and Curry. You get a ratings bump. You get excitement.

You get you and I in the stands. I'm going to see that show. Jay Macklin, the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Sometimes, folks, I just like... to throw stuff out there to get J-Mack worked up.

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You know, it's funny about this whole Chiefs thing. The Houston Texans allowed eight sacks and had the worst special teams playoff performance ever, and it's the refs. come on just just let me honest everybody you don't like the chiefs winning I mean what's funny is there were three plays that

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to call it if you can't tell and the first time I saw it I thought that's a that's a headshot that's that's not rigged. The second one is when the guy's helmets collide. I get that works everybody up. But again, you can't tell, and they've been instructed. And the third one that drives you crazy is running out of bounds. You know how Mahomes does that. So this one right here, again, it looked really close. You're instructed. Call it. That's why being a pocket quarterback sometimes is a disadvantage. Mobile quarterbacks put themselves in better spots to get the call.

And this third one drove people crazy. Folks, there was no flag. there was no flag for it. You don't like the optics, the aesthetics. There's no flag. So it's much to do about nothing. And I told a friend who loves the Texans, I said, if I would have told you going into the game as a Texans fan, you're going to allow eight sacks and have the worst special teams performance in playoff history.

Does that sound like you'd beat Andy Reid off a by in Arrowhead? Will Anderson walked back. They were all worked up in Houston, but Will Anderson kind of walked it all back a little bit. I'm not the type of the chase calls. The NFL can do whatever they need to do for the thing. I feel like as a play, you just have to keep playing. Some calls were, you know, in my opinion, could have been better calls, and that's okay. That's my opinion.

But at the end of the day, it's about us. We have to do a better job of executing. We have to do a better job of going out there and being ready. And no matter what the outcome is, we have to do a better job of handling Texas business on both sides of the ball. I mean, you missed two field goals. give up a big kickoff. You miss an extra point. Not beating Mahomes and Andy Reeded Arrowhead off a bye.

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