The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - How will the Browns deal with DeShaun Watson?

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Colin believes the Browns might be trying to void DeShaun Watson's contract  The voice of college football, Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the season so far  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Live in Los Angeles, it's the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I had ice cream and cigars last night. Stay with me, two hours left. It's a roller coaster could go off the tracks. I'm lactose, semi-lactose intolerant, but I'm sorry. You open up the fridge, there's a pint there, there's a spoon.

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Greg Maddox had an occasional wild pitch. Can't just throw strikes. You've got to live a little. So I saw this story, Joel Clatt in five minutes. The Browns now are trying to escape the Deshawn Watson contract. The new lawsuit filed against Deshawn Watson possibly, the story says, keyword possibly, sparks a chain of events that could culminate in the league suspending Deshawn Watson. voiding about half of the future guaranteed contract.

So, listen, Cleveland knew of his creepiness when they signed him, so no sympathy from me here. I mean, if he threw for four touchdowns and they beat Dallas by three touchdowns, everybody would be defending him. But in sports, there's a rule. You can't have off-field problems and on-field problems. Fans will support you. Owner will support you.

I mean, let's be honest. This was the 26th suit against him. It's not like Cleveland was comfortable with the first 25, but the 26, that sent him over the top. He's not any good anymore. And that's the story here. And like, listen, if Gordon Ramsey wasn't a great chef, he'd just be kind of a jerk. If Russell Wilson was winning, nobody talked about his cringiness seven years ago in Seattle. And now it's the only topic.

You've got to win. And so when you're willing to go into business with somebody with 25 civil suits, it's on you. I mean, that's the baggage you paid for. Cleveland panicked. They are, what I've said for years, is a low self-esteem sports franchise where they're always in the Steelers shadow and the Ravens Shadow, and they just panic. And so I think it's a very poorly owned sports franchise with great employees. I think Kevin Stefansky is a tremendous coach.

If he was on the market, he'd be hired in five minutes. I think Andrew Barry's a sharp GM. I mean, their drafts are good. Jack Conklin, the tackle, tremendous. Amari Cooper, a total pro. Miles Garrett, best pass rush are arguably in the league. There are a lot of good employees in that building. And like GM, coach, like a lot of them, one of them's not the quarterback. He can't play and everybody knows it. So a lot of, all of Cleveland's issues are Cleveland's issues. And I'm not saying you have to be perfect. I mean, San Francisco whiffed on Tray Lance. It happens. You know, Kansas City and Brett Veets, one of the smartest GMs in the last. league has missed on receivers.

It happens. Like a lot of the best team, I mean, the Rams draft very well. They have missed on second round receivers and interior linemen. Second round guys. It happens. But there is a difference between making a mistake, which we all do, and creating a problem. Cleveland's an expert at the ladder. So they're trying to get out of that Deshawn Watson deal.

And now, it's not like they get completely out of it. I looked at the numbers this morning, and they cut it in about half. And as we know, if you draft a quarterback and you hit on him in the first or second round, he's kind of a freebie for four years. So that's one of the things about the NFL. And Cleveland's about they're in as dire a place as you could be salary cap-wise. But, you know, Denver was a mess. They got Bo Nix.

I don't know. I think it's going to work. And with that, the voice of college football at our network all over the Texas-Michigan game last week, Joel Clatt joins us as he always does on Wednesdays. Joel Clat podcast. What's up, dude? Madison, Wisconsin. We were saying this.

Let's go back. Okay. And look at Texas. Now, I know it's the eye test, but I use the eye test in college sports a lot. In the NBA, everybody's tall, long, and talented. In the NFL, the margins are tiny. I look at Texas, and I see Michigan last year where I'm not sure who's a one and who's a two. They're rotating defensive linemen in.

Yeah. they look like to me, I test the most talented team in the sport. Yeah, I think that Georgia and Ohio State could lay claim to that as well. So in my last top 10, I put them 1A, 1B, 1C, those three teams, Georgia, Ohio State, and Texas. And Texas certainly looked that way. I was so impressed with a lot of things that went on on Saturday, to name a few. Their offensive line is as experienced and physical as any in the sport. Three first rounders, maybe?

Possibly, definitely two, I would say. And the thing about it is that they're experienced, Colin. It's not just young talent up there. They played as young players. So this in a lot of cases is their third year starting. They have got, I would say they fixed their rotation on the defensive line because remember they lost Devonre Sweat and Byron Murphy. Yeah, great.

Two excellent defensive tackles. So that was going to be a point of weakness for them. Well, guess what? They went out and got three other defensive tackles in the portal, which makes their rotation in the interior. fine because none of them have to play over 25 or 30 snaps. They got Andrew McCuba, the safety from Clemson to come in and shore up the secondary. Now all of a sudden the secondary is a strength.

They go out in the portal and they get a couple of wide receivers, golden and bond, to supplement with their young players. And all of a sudden you're sitting there and you're like, this probably is a national championship caliber team. And then, and then their quarterback is excellent. he's experienced. Quinn Ewers knows what he's looking at. Their play caller is outstanding.

Their third down plan, I know this is like technical stuff, but you'll love this. Their third down plan for Wink Martindale was so good. Steve Sarkesian is so smart. If it was third and seven plus, he max protected with seven guys,

and he let his guys roam and get loose. If he had one-on-one, Ewers would hit him. And Ewers understood what the plan was as well. So he knew that all he had to do, if they played coverage against that max protection, is get loose with his feet and either create with his feet or create a hole down the field with his feet and exploit that with his arm. He did that on several different occasions. Then you would get into the middle third downs, third and four, five, and six. And what did he do? Screen.

It was screen right, screen left, a little tunnel screen here. Ball was on the outside quickly to get away from those defensive linemen. And then he also saw what Michigan was trying to do with alignment, because they were trying to do some funky things with alignment. He saw Mason Graham, one of the best defensive tackles in college football, lined up as a defensive end. So guess what he did? He ran away.

It's not that hard sometimes, right? People try to make it so difficult. He just ran the football to the opposite direction. And guess what? Got the first down. So Sark's brilliance, coupled with this team that's talented and experienced, that's going to be very difficult. Remember, Georgia has to go to Texas.

I'm not sure Georgia can beat Texas in Austin. I don't know if they can. It's funny. It's one of those things in baseball, if you have a great bullpen. You don't need dominant starting pitching. Yeah, because you've got a great bullpen. If you have a great offensive line in college or pro football, like Detroit, they're just going to lean on you. Yeah, that's right. That game against the Ramss.

That's what Michigan had last year. That's right. They just lean on you, and they don't throw a pass against Penn State in the second half on the road. And it's like, white flag. Penn State's like, we don't have the bodies. And Texas has that. So Texas has the Michigan-O-line with more playmakers. That's right.

I mean, I would be shocked if this team is not right there at the end playing for a national championship. Okay, I'm going to say something. Uh-oh. And I'll get a lot of pushback, but that's who I am. I believe with all my heart. Okay. I can't wait for this. Ohio State, Georgia, Texas.

Okay. They're the top three. Oh, I know where you're going. When he gets this look. USC. Yeah, there it was. Along with Alabama is in that first. four spot. Wait, a time out. Alabama was in a one-point game with South Florida in the fourth

quarter. Hey, all of a sudden you're, you want to crown them, crown them. What are you, what are you talking about? I don't get caught up in score. I get caught up in winning and style. There's, I'm telling you. First of all, you're missing. You're missing it. You're missing. You're missing. You don't think USC's good. No, no, no, no. You're good on on USC. You're, you're, you're, you're You're missing it. You're enamored with a shiny object called Alabama. Alabama might be fine, and I'm not saying that they're bad, so stop it. Tide fans.

I'm not, this is not about Alabama. They're vulnerable. The three most impressive teams to date that are not named Georgia, Texas, or Ohio State. Or who? Are USC. You had one of them. Ole Miss. Miami.

Miami. Cam Ward something. And Tennessee. Yeah, Tennessee's good. There you go. I'll give you Tennessee. I'll give you Tennessee. And Miami. You're going to give me all three. Okay.

Two weeks ago, I said, after the first week, the Labor Day weekend, I said the two teams keep your eye on are Tennessee and USC. So I just want to talk about USC. That's fine. We don't coaching matters. Oh, yeah. They went out and got, I would argue, he is going to be the hot coach on the market at the end of the season, De Anton Lynn.

Their defensive personnel is okay. I think they have an NFL safety. I think their edge rusher. Anthony Lucas can play at the next level. Not a ton of NFL talent. What I worry about is they'll get exposed against an Ohio State, a Texas, a Georgia, that they're doing it now on guile, toughness, coaching, and there's limitations. Is that fair?

On the defensive side, I would say that's fair, but it's probably a little better than that. You know, I mean, they don't have bad players. No, no, no, that's my pleasure to the imagination. And the way from a structural standpoint and a soundness standpoint, like this team playing that style of defense, I would favor them next week. against Michigan in the big house. Oh, did they? First of all.

So then it becomes real. Then it becomes like, okay, we can play for the Big Ten title. Now, when you think about trying to play those three way up top, yeah, I mean, do they have enough? Maybe. I don't know about that. I've always wondered, ever since he became a head coach, what would it be like if Lincoln Riley actually had a good defense?

What would it be like? Well, that's what this is. And we're starting to see that. And I've never been worried about their offense. I think their defense is real. DeAnth and Lynn is fantastic. And I do find it interesting. And you brought up Bo Nix.

He got confused facing Mike McDonald's defense on Sunday as the Broncos faced the Seattle Seahawks. Mike McDonald, Baltimore Ravens-style defense. Jesse Mentor, Baltimore Ravens-style defense. The Ravens, obviously, Baltimore Ravens-style defense. DeAnton Lynn, he was in that room as well. That's where he cut his teeth. So it's all that Ravens stuff.

All of that Raven stuff, the stuff that Michigan won the national championship with and Baltimore has played well with. And Joel, what happens defensively in this league, you get these, remember the old 460s fans, like the Bears. College teams ripped it off. Washington was one of it. What happens is you get these two and three year Pete Carroll for years, Jimmy Johnson. You get these two and three years cycles that teams are ahead of other teams on systematically. And I think USC at a college level is ahead of some people. they're ahead of the curve. Obviously, Michigan was kind of the first one there,

and they dominated on defense. They were the best defense in the country a year ago. I go back to like early 2000s. You remember the Tampa Bay defense with Monty Kiffin? Yep, yep. And then guess what I saw the next year at quarterback in college? Everybody

ran Monty Kiffin's defense. That's all we saw was 4-3 cover we called it 23 Mike or Tampa 2, whatever it was. And you're starting to see that now and that defense that USC has running. Here's the philosophy, and this is coming from the people that built the defense. Number one, how do you play offense on defense? That's number one. I can explain that if you want. Number two is we want to play with a run wall up front. That means the interior defensive line.

We want to play with hard edges, which means those edges on the defensive line. And then we want hybrid, versatile athletes everywhere else, the ability to cover, run, and more specifically tackle. And I think the tackling and the improvement tackling from USC from last year, to this year has been staggering. And this idea of playing offense on defense, this is what it means. Offenses are going to try to run a few concepts, you know, call it like Z drive or or AllGo or shallow cross or whatever it is. And you can run those out of 100 different formations.

So for the defense, it looks like 100 different plays, but for the offense, they're running one. So it's simple for the offense, difficult for the defense. And that's exactly what Baltimore wanted to flip and say, well, no, no, no, we want to do that exact same thing. give you a bunch of different defensive structures, but really we're only running a couple of different concepts. So it's easy for us, difficult for you. And that's what that defense really is. Okay, this is going to be difficult for you. So I want you to get ready and put a seatbelt on.

Okay. So for years, for years, I called Iowa the fake idea of college. Yeah, that was rude. Well, it was accurate. I disagree. They did well. Yeah, they've been eight games and really want to play a big team and lose by 30. But I will say this, at least it took them four or five beers before they threw up on themselves. Colorado now can't get through a margarita and they're tipsy and falling into walls. I hear a lot of chatter. I hear a lot of talk. They're bad. And they're once again, flush out half the team, bring in a bunch of new transfers.

It's starting to feel like a timeshare sales pitch. There's no they there. What are they? What is Dion? And I was on board because I like big personalities. Yeah. I don't know. Well, the first premise is, and you would agree with this, regardless of what's happened,

he's made them relevant. No question. And they were. That's why I'm on board. Irrelevant. Totally irrelevant. Okay. Okay.

No one cares about this, but the impact on the university has been staggeringly positive. From an admission standpoint, economic impact, not only for the university, but for the city. It is a net, giant win. On the field, it's starting to teeter. I'm with you. It's starting to teeter. This game that they have, they play Saturday night in Fort Collins, of all places, against Colorado State. They've lost that game before.

That game's a weird game. Well, I didn't lose that game personally. No, no, no. But I just wanted that to be clear for everybody. 3-0 Bradley Van Pelt. How do you like me now? So that was rude, but you know, whatever. This rivalry is one that I did.

They hate Colorado. Hate them. Hate them because they all wanted to go to Colorado. Trust me, I was one of them. I wanted Sonny Lubick to recruit me so badly, and he didn't. So when I had to walk on at Colorado and when I played CSU, I was like, I wanted a piece of that. That's how those players feel about Colorado.

If Colorado loses, is Dion in trouble. Well, this is the biggest game that they've played in his tenure because they cannot lose this game. They have to win this game against Colorado State. If they lose this game, it's a signal of regression. You can't do that. You can't regress in year two. That's not what this is all about.

And you can't regress when you've got two players that might be picked in the top 10. One for sure going to be selected in the top five in Travis Hunter. that can't happen. So this game, there has never been more pressure on Dion Sanders as a coach in his career than there is this week against Colorado State on Saturday night. Oh, I can't wait to watch it now. You got me all fired up. Hey.

Hold on the screen. Yeah, see, the staff, we went and found an ID of Dion Sanders. And again, he was trying to get into the clubs. And it's just a fake ID. So now you're saying he's the fake ID? Kind of personal. You can't reuse a joke. You've got to come up with something else.

That's for Iowa. My career is reusing jokes. You just describe my career. Iowa graduated. You can only be 19 so long. They got a job in the accounting firm in Iowa City. Okay. So Camp Randall, for the uninitiated,

there's an argument on a Saturday night in the fall. Camp Randall's the best place to be in the country. Or at noon in the fall, Colin. It is fun. Oh, it's noon. game. Yeah, that's right. All right. Well, we moved it up for the show. Okay. It's in the title. Do they have a shot? Do they have a shot to beat Alabama? Yeah, I think Wisconsin's better this year than they were a year ago. I think Luke Fickle has built something that is a bit underappreciated,

and they're leaning more in on the run game. Now, you know, whether they do that, it remains to be seen. Tyler Van Dyke, their quarterback's going to have to play like the young Tyler Van Dyke from Miami that everyone thought was a Heisman trophy candidate. A couple years ago, everybody loved him. Yeah. And people thought that he was going to be highly touted in terms of the draft and it hasn't played out that way and he's looking to

regain that form. Their defense is pretty solid. Their second is very good. Luke knows what he's doing. They're tough-minded. And here's the thing, as we learned last week in college football, hey man, anybody can be beat on any given day. And this would certainly not shock me if Wisconsin's playing a tight one.

And that's a great environment. It's a great environment. That's a fan base that understands football. They know what they're rooting for. And I can't wait to be there. Oh, you're going to be big. Okay, here's Clats top 10. I don't know if I like Miami.

I like Cam Ward. So you got them at five. I do have them at five. I think Miami's the best team of the ACC. Cam Ward is one of those guys. I remember when he, because I watched him at Washington State a half dozen times, he's always good. He's just a playmaker.

Yeah. I think he's an NFL player. I think so, too. I think he's an NFL. I think in this draft, people are going to sell some Shadur stock. They're going to like Cam Ward because the personality of Cam Boy is feisty, bottom line, tough guy. It's hard when you listen to Cam Ward, it's hard not to like him. I agree.

And by the way, I've got Tennessee and USC in my top 10. They've been more impressive than a team like, and I'm not saying Missouri's bad, but like, then Missouri who hasn't done anything. Oregon. I mean, Oregon has just not looked. And by the way, they've got to go to Oregon State this week. That is a rivalry game. The home team has won the last four.

Like, watch out for Oregon State this week. 1A, 1B, 1C. Yeah. You're not terribly committed. I hope with your wife, you didn't say, listen, later I'm going out for a meeting, we're going to have a cup of coffee. You help you were committed more than that. Holy moly.

I mean, it's two weeks in. they've all earned it to a certain extent. I just wanted to, here's the deal is that I wanted to show some sort of delineation between those three and the rest of everybody else. Well, that's true. Yeah, those three are the best teams. That was the point of the 1A1B1C is that I wanted it to be different than like, okay, Ole Misses 4.

You know what I like about the transfer portal? This is what I really like about the transfer portal, is that in the NFL, once you get the quarterback right and the coach right, you know the chiefs, the Ravens are going to be good for years. That's right. That's right. and so there's some symmetry. I don't want new teams every year.

Like I like, oh, the bills will be good. The dolphins will be good. In college sometimes, now, again, Georgia's good every year, or Ohio State. But in college sometimes, you get a team like Michigan with all these pros. Then they leave and you're like, wow. Yeah, you've got to rebuild it. It's going to take four more years to rebuild, like Washington. The transfer portal solves, it's a solution.

Well, like you just said about it. I think it's a double-edged sword, though. I mean, I don't, listen, the push. would be yes, and it can go the opposite direction. We've seen these, like for Colorado right now, it's teetering, largely because they've got basically, you know, 95 new players in the last two years. That's too many. Well, so, you know, you can try to go rebuild yourself last year for USC.

It didn't work. No, the previous year, it did work. So I just think that you're kind of playing with fire. Remember the old coach K-line? What was that? Remember he was talking about Christian Leitner, I think it was? and he was like, hey, Leitner is like your furnace. If it's controlled, he can heat your whole house.

But if it gets out of control, he'll burn it down. That's the transfer portal. Yeah. Well, you know, there's something to be said. You got to be careful. If a guy's leaving a program, there may be, George is not letting their best players go. If you're trying to build your whole program out of the transfer portal,

that's a good way to. That is not a great recipe. If you are supplementing like Texas just did and defensive, offensive line and secondary and wide receiver. Michigan did last year when they brought in a couple more defensive pieces and they got the tight end Barner who came in there. They were supplementing. And I think the best team supplement Ohio State right now, supplementing. They've got a core group and then all of a sudden here comes Caleb Downs and Quin Sean Judkins.

And you become better when you supplement. But building the entire foundation out of the transfer portal is risky. You know, frankly, you were a high school recruit at Fox. I came from the portal. I mean. And with a lot of baggage. I'm you did listen I'm just glad that you assimilated to the culture that I had built here yeah that's right yeah because I was loose yeah that's right and I'm like an old veteran I'm like

your captain I'm more of the furnace yep hey clatt it's great seeing you I appreciate the participation trophies for the top three teams everybody gets a trophy I always appreciate that about you yeah you bet it's week two I know we're gonna have a good time together I Did you see the ratings? You see the Big Ten ratings? I did. Time spent viewing up 148%. Oh, Pat 12 disappeared.

Nobody will watch. This will be the most viewed college football season ever, because there'll be more fan bases that feel like they're in it. It's going to be great. Joel Clat, the voice of college football. You're welcome. Shooting a documentary today. Yeah, they said they wanted to come by your show,

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This is the herd line news. So, we started calling him Glass Joe Burrow. Remember earlier this year? Because he's always hurt. Well, a weird video emerged, I think yesterday of some stuff that Joe Burrow was going through on the sideline, if you're watching.

Look at him struggle to, like, pick up a Gatorade bottle, he's shaking out his wrist. It just doesn't seem right. Nothing feels off. A lot of questions about his performance, 21 or 29, for a buck 64. Burrow dismissed all the questions about whether the wrist was a problem. Yeah, I felt comfortable. So you get more and more comfortable as the game goes and as the season goes. I was comfortable, but now being more comfortable as to go.

Do you feel any limitations with the wrist at all? It were some throws that were give you her harder to make or not go roll. No, I feel good. They're doing a good job keeping everything in front. You know, take what the defense gives me. You know, rarely do I like spiked frosted hair? I think that's a great look on him, honestly. A little Sonic the Headhog.

I think I like it. It's honestly, 99% of men would do that and would be looking like they're trying way too hard. He actually looks better with that hair. Could I pull that off? Not going to go with that. I saw your picture when you were like 22 and new. New York. I think he looks better.

He looks, just there's something about Burrow. He's just a handsome kid. That's a good look for him. He's got a little maverick feel to him. Little non-corporate, little on the edge. Go to do what I want to do? I kind of like that. So that's a good look. You know what's not a good look? Losing the Patriots.

It was not. And by the way, Adam Schaefter has said that T. Higgins, it would be surprising if he played this week against the Chiefs. They're staring O. and 2 in the face. One of my concerns about this franchise is not Joe Burrow, my concerns about this franchise is ownership. They've been

historically cheap. Start writing checks. Start, I mean, because you know what the Rams would do? They would convert, or the Niners would do, they would convert base salary into signing bonuses. Fans think these are all even. The really, the teams that have money, like, you ever notice that Philadelphia, San Francisco's rosters are stacked?

Philadelphia's paying everybody. They're receivers, their quarterback, their left tackle, they're playing everybody. Why? Because they got the best ownership. and he's still got bottom five ownership. It seems to me they're arguing about just paid Jamar Chase next. He's the first, second or third best receiver. And he's the most important piece outside of left tackle for your star quarterback. Pay him.

Rams paid Cooper Cup. Niners paid Brandon Ayuk and Debo. Philadelphia pays A.J. Johnson and ADA Brown and Moore and tight ends. And they're struggling to pay their star receiver. Minnesota paid Justin Jefferson Packers, Raiders, paying Devonthe Adams, pay your guy. I don't disagree with that.

Look at you. You're getting aggressive here on a Wednesday. Next up, how about this one? The Ravens, they add Derek Henry in the offseason, and obviously the offense was excited. You get Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson. Hello. But then, in week one,

Derek Henry just had 13 carries against the Chiefs, and John Harbaugh addressed the lack of touches yesterday. the formulae is all the guys to get me. It's not just the one guy. I think we didn't bring Derek in here to be, you know, the guy that gets the ball 30 times a game. He's done that before. That's really not the plan.

The plan is Derek, Amar, Mark, Isaiah, Zay, Bate, Nelly. You know, that's kind of the plan in this offense going forward. So I think that evaluation will be best made, you know, over the course of the season. they'll be fine. They were an inch from beating Kansas City. This is a great organization, top to bottom.

They'll be fine. They'll be fine. But Lamar had more carries than him. Jaylon Hertz had 13. Like, you got to Derek Henry have 13 carries. Well, no, I think we talked about this. I think Kansas City is different for Lamar Jackson, and he was just playing.

You know how in the Super Bowls, they always say quarterbacks, the first series, sail everything. They got so much energy, like they sail everything. Lamar plays the Chiefs. He sails everything. Like he is so focused and passionate, because this is the one team he can't beat, that I think he carried the ball seven or eight times in a game that he wouldn't normally carry.

So to me, I just give the Derek Henry story a Mulligan. This week he's getting 18 carries. It'll be fine. They will not run the ball. Oh, they'll just pound the rock. They don't want Lamar taking a hit here. Again, when you play the Chiefs, you put your body on the line for that game. You don't with the Raiders.

You go, you run the ball, you shorten the game, you win 24-13, you get out of town, you're good. So two other free agent guys, Joe Nixon had 30 carries in the opener. No, he's a beast. Saquant Barclay had 24 carries. I'm sure Derek Henry's looking around. There are not many guys in the NFL, not named Joe Nixon, that can handle 30 carries and be good in the 30 carry. Joe's good. He had a great game.

Final story is the Tennessee Titans. Can we go back to all Will Levis' bad plays? Look at that. Just not aware. And then this one's the brutal one where he's like falling down, trying to chuck it out of bounds, and it turns into a brutal pick six that flipped the game. We briefly alluded to this audio,

but Brian Callahan, the new coach, was very ticked off about Levis and the meltdown on the fourth quarter. Here's what he said about the offense. We were playing so good on defense that it's almost as if, I mean, if we just punted it on first and ten every time, we might have won the game, the way that we gave it away. So there are hard lessons to learn.

And I think what's important is that everything about Will up to that point, you don't know if you've made the progress or not until you play in a game. And those are just things that I was surprised that he did. Tough pill to swallow for him, tough lesson to learn. But he's got to learn it. I don't think it works. We'll just say it right now. Too mechanical, not fluid enough.

I don't think his game works in the pros. I don't see it. It doesn't work. So is this a good spot for the Jets defense coming off? Oh, great spot. First of all, they go from facing the most talented offense in the league to a talent-deprived offense. They go from facing a veteran coach to a kid coach. Their defense was humiliated.

Aaron wasn't humiliated. The Jets' defense was. They got pushed all over the field and dominated by a seventh-round receiver and undrafted running back and a seventh-round quarterback. This is the perfect spot for the Jets. They're going to be ticked off. It's not even at home. There's no comfort. They have to go back on the road.

They're going to be in a bad mood. They're going to play great football. So the Jets' defense event, Jermaine Johnson, remember him, FSU. So he was very good last year. He went up against Trent Williams in the opener, and he did nothing. Nobody does anything against Trent Williams. This week against Tennessee, he faces the young guy out of Alabama, J.C. Latham, who was, I believe, an interior lineman in college, and now is left tackle, a rookie.

For Tennessee. Jets defense. 23 to 10. Jets. Jets dominate Levis. I can, I like that. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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key players such as Troy Aitman the most highest paid player in the game we won Super Bowls that's correlation not causation uh the reason you won Super Bowls when you paid Troy Aitman the most is because he was Troy Akeman arguably the best quarterback in the league with the best running back Emmett smith and the best offensive line and the Cowboys have the weakest running back room and they're starting a rookie at left tackle

and they don't have Jimmy Johnson. So that's not the same. I'm not saying Dak couldn't win a Super Bowl, but you would need a fairly stacked roster. I feel the same way about Brock Purdy, although I think Dak's slightly better than Brock, but not as much as people think. But, yeah, that's not the way it works.

You paid Troy and had Jimmy and Emmett in the O-Line and Hall of Famers, and this team doesn't. So I saw this. The Steelers, cracks me up. The Steelers say they're excited about Justin Fields starting in week two. You know, could he become the next Geno Smith? For the record, I have friends in Seattle.

I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Geno's winning nine games. No playoff wins. Everybody knows they're waiting for the next quarterback. He's fine. for now, placeholder. At best, that's probably what Justin Fields is. So here's the thing.

If you watch the Chiefs and Ravens, Eagles, Packers, Lions, Rams, bills, you can eliminate pretty quickly in this league about seven to eight teams from winning a Super Bowl. The last several years, the remaining coaches at the end of the year, the final four remaining coaches have all been offense. year, year before, year before. So it's an offensive league. It's pivoted, rules change. We're not going to argue that. It's a quarterback coach league. The quarterback's worth

more than the coach, 6040, 65, 35, even in the case of Andy Reed, it's more Malhomes than Reed. They're both great. But I would say today, New England, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, Las Vegas, New York Giant, Chicago Bears, Carolina, they're not Super Bowl teams. Can't even vie for it.

You can have a good week, a good half, can't buy for it. Now, I think there's double that number, like Minnesota's not going to win a Super Bowl, but they'll have moments. They'll go toe-to-toe, in my opinion, with San Francisco this week, and look the part if they play them at home, and the Niners are on a short week, and the Niners are off a huge win. You know, they'll be moments. But when you start watching Mahomes, Stafford, Lamar, Josh, Goff, Purdy, Dak. I mean, there is such a gap now between the best quarterbacks in the best quarterback's

in the league and the bottom of the league. There feels like there's a gap between Baker, Mayfield, Derek Carr, and the rookie quarterbacks. And what's the reason for that? It shouldn't be that way. This is something Tom Brady's talked about ad nauseum on our show and other shows, is that there's a lot of bad quarterback play. Troy Aikman mentioned it this week.

There's a lot of bad quarterback play. And I think a lot of it is the need and rush to get guys to play. Jaden Daniels got to play. Caleb Williams got to play. Justin Fields got to play. I think it's tough. I think it's really, really tough. That's why I've said,

I supported the Atlanta Falcons bringing Kirk Cousins in. My take was, if you sit Michael Pennix behind a pro for a year, that's great. You can watch Kirk Cousins, a total pro? All the critics of Atlanta, I'm like, guys, that's the way you want to do it. That's what Mahomes did with Alex Smith. So, I mean, if you go to the last nine of the last 10 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks,

It's been Mahomes, Brady, Stafford, and Peyton Manning. So, and I think there is a clear gap between Baker, Derek, Gino, from the bottom. And the bottom is mostly bad quarterbacks and rookie quarterbacks. I thought Bo Nix was pretty good, considering he was asked to throw 42 times on the road, great corners, good pass rush, and the Denver line's okay. I thought it was okay. Through a really bad pick, two total. I thought he was okay.

But there is a, if you're getting excited about Justin Fields, like you're not, this is the defensive culture. Come on, that's not going to win you. That's not what the league is now. So it's not, it's not anti anything. It's just the league has gotten so good at the top of the food chain. And there's so many guys getting a second chance, Donald Baker, Derek Cargino, in the middle of the league, there's a gap between those guys and the kids. And that's why I said, don't be shocked if Chicago this weekend just gets smoked by Houston. And it doesn't mean you sell the farm.

What it means, and this is what I really worry about. I had Danny Parkins on an hour ago is if you go back to Mahomes, so he got to sit the first year, and then the second year, he was really really good. But he could mechanically kind of get into the weeds. And Cam, Mahomes, Stafford, Josh Allen. when you're truly gifted, when you're really absolutely uniquely gifted, it could be singing voice or playing quarterback, you're willing to take more chances,

you're willing to play off script because you've been rewarded in high school and college off script. I mean, Lamar Jackson takes off and runs, high school and college, it's a pot of gold. So he's going to do it in pros until he gets hitting the ribs too many times. So when you get a quarterback, like a Lamar, Josh. When you get a quarterback, Cam Newton, Cam Newton never had that brilliant offensive coach to rely on to get him back in the fairway. He had Ron Rivera, defensive culture.

That's what Caleb has. Bears are a defensive culture. I don't worry about Caleb. I worry about the support system. Mahalms had Andy. Stafford can get in the weeds. He's so much better as a ram with Mick Bay. that when the truly Josh Allen was at his best with Brian Dable I've worried

brought Ken Dorsey and didn't look as good now Josh is so insanely talented he just he's Superman he overcome stuff I don't think Caleb's as good as Josh Allen I think I think Josh is different he's bigger stronger I think he's different but what I worry about with Caleb Williams

is he is so gifted and has been rewarded his entire life going off script that you need a strong offensive mind that understands the sensibility of quarterback to pull them back in the fairway. Mahomes had it. Stafford now has it. Cam Newton

never had it. Cam Newton Cam aged quickly. Ben, Big Ben, didn't really have it. He aged more quickly. That's what I worry about with Caleb Williams. I think it's a reasonable concern. So as I look over the NFL schedule, week

Two, one of the games that jumps out to me is Houston off a win at home, ton of weapons. It's going to be a shootout. They're going to score points, playing at home. And so what happens to Chicago this week is it's not Tennessee. They're going to have to be hyper-aggressive offensively to keep up. Against Tennessee, they can be conservative. They can babysit Caleb.

And he still struggled. And you're at home. Now you're moving into big boy football. Houston's dropping minimum 24 to 27 points. So you've got to score 26 to 28 points to win, meaning Chicago will have to be more aggressive, and I think Caleb will mostly be left to his own devices. He will not have that guru, that respected voice in the NFL for years that can keep him lined up. The more talented people are in any field, the more they're rewarded doing it their way,

and it takes McVeigh, Reed, Sean Payton, Dayball, really strong offensive guys to bring it back in. Tom Brady didn't have that. Brady was a grinder. Brady was a six-rounder. Brady didn't move off script. So Tom is not somebody you had to pull back in. Tom stayed there.

Peyton Manning largely doesn't get rewarded off script. Peyton was on script. You didn't have to worry about it with Tony Dungeon. But the truly gifted athletes, John Harbaugh, strong respect. voice can pull Lamar back in. I'm not saying Lamar wouldn't succeed everywhere. But it now

Herbert can run a little, but he's pretty disciplined in what he does. That's why he and Harbaugh are a good fit. You don't have to really coach Justin much. You're of the belief this Texan's defense can be juiced up prime time to go after Caleb My take is Chicago's going to

have to score 27 to win. They couldn't score much at all against Tennessee. Chalkout of the first game jitters. Bad game plan. You and I see the world differently. Shane Waldron, no faith? Lack of faith in other business?

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