The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Inside the Chiefs organization

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

3-time Super Bowl Champion and Chiefs head coach Andy Reid joins the show to talk about becoming the first team in 2 decades to win back-to-back Super BowlsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Are you going to wear your Kevlar or pack it? No, I'm just kidding. That's a joke, Chicago Settledown. God. It's a joke. Come on. Can we not joke around? You know, they don't have the sense of humor we do here.

Out left coast. Can you tell Ann that was a joke? I don't need her getting any of them. Ann loves Chicago, so do I. She likes Chicago more than L.A.? Yeah, not close. I'm joking. It's like America's most European city.

Great architecture, great people, great food. It's great city. Yeah, but if you have your, if we, remember how you had your birthday out here in January, like Chip Kelly there, Jason McIntyre there. Who's showing up in Chicago for you, you know? Not Bears fans. I can tell you that. So we just got news of this.

I guess it's been out there a while. So I don't have a problem admitting that I grew up. I loved evil-con-eval. I like their devils. Years ago in Chicago, there was some guy doing a tightrope walk in between parking garages or something. I dropped all my plans. I may have been getting married that night. I didn't care.

I was watching it. So Mike Tyson is going to fight Jake Paul. Now, is Jake Paul the good Paul? There's two Paul. Jake's the good one. And then there's another Paul, not Chris Paul. There's his brother that's not as good a fighter. Logan Paul.

I thought Logan was better than Jake, or is Jake better than Logan? I thought Logan was the better. Their characters on the internet. I mean, bottom-off. So do you think it's a fight you would watch? I gotta be careful what I say. Those guys have rabbit ears big time. I don't need them coming after me, but go Mike Tyson.

So Tyson fought Roy Jones Jr. It was a charade. It was embarrassing. It was just ridiculous. And it was total a rip-off for money. And Tyson's 57 years old. But I've always had this belief. George Foreman proved it.

Kobe in his last game proved it. Great players. Drew Bledso could grab a football right now and throw an unbelievable ball. he can't deal with the grind of an NFL season, getting hit. But the great player, Michael Jordan can dunk now and he's like heavy and 50, whatever he is, 55. It doesn't matter. Guys could, I saw Vince Carter the other day in a suit and tie and he's dunking the ball.

It doesn't matter. Great players retain the greatness. They just don't have the ability to do it over a long period of time. And my take is, you don't want to get punched by Mike Tyson. Now, he may not be able to go seven. rounds, but if you're talking velocity of a punch, if he trains for like three weeks hard, you don't want to face Mike Tyson. Now, you're not going to train for three and a half months, six months, but if you said Mike,

you've got to really for the next three weeks, eat right, training, heavy, intense, show up and fight. He's going to be able to go three rounds, and you don't want to get hit by Mike Tyson. Yikes. Andy reads around the corner, he's still in a meeting. He'll come out here pretty soon. Mark Sanchez also bottom of the hour. The other thing we were talking about is, so the NFL is going to go to 18 games, and I'm going to ask Andy about this, meaning I believe the NFLPA would say you've got to reduce the exhibition season to two games, which nobody watches it anyway.

It's awful. You charge season ticket holders to go to these ridiculous games that nobody goes to and no starters play. I think that's totally unfair to fans. So I think here's what I like about it. you'll eliminate more of the preseason, which Sean McVeigh, love him to death, ruin the preseason, because he said, I'm not going to start any players,

I'm not going to play any guys in the preseason who are good players. No Cooper Cup, you know, no goff, no Aaron Donald, no Jalen Ramsey. I'm not going to play any of them. And everybody was like, oh, I wouldn't do that. They will not be ready for the calluses of the NFL. They went eight, no.

And now all the young coaches, like Robin Hood, they follow him, and they don't want to play any of their starters. So I love the fact that the NFL will reduce the preseason more. And I also love the fact that it will extend the NFL season because I was saying this, if we had an 18-game NFL season and you would add a buy to it, two-week extension of the season, we would literally do the Super Bowl, talk about it for a week, take a vacation, come back, and we'd have like 18 games left in the NBA regular season.

Well, let's be honest. If you really watch the NBA, with about 20 games left in the regular season, teams play hard. Like I've been watching NBA, two games a night here for about six, seven, eight days. These games are good. Teams are into it, diving on the floor, defending big fourth quarter rallies. So part of me thought it was kind of selfish when the NFL went to 17 games. But here's the other thing.

Everybody always freaked out about Thursday games. And in my perfect world, you'd eliminate Thursday games. I don't want to be stuck home on a Thursday because I watch football all day, Saturday, all day Sunday, Monday night. I don't need another day. Say, honey, I have to sit home and watch. You know, I'm trying to be, you know, a good husband, right? A good dad. So I would love if it's just Saturday, Sunday, Monday, you know, the UK, maybe you could have two or three Thursday games.

You kick the season off around Thanksgiving. That's different. But, you know, my takeaway is there's a lot of benefits to this, 18 games. I do think veteran coaches, I think all coaches will. arrest some of their older starters, more practices off. They'll pull them out. You'll have a second buy. They'll probably bake in a third game they don't play them.

All right, this just came out from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. That sounds like a paper that breaks stories. The Steelers are interested. Are rumors this week they weren't. This is from a legitimate source. The Steelers are. interested in signing Russell Wilson and are tentatively planning to meet with the former Bronco quarterback before the start of free agency per sources. Wilson has interest joining the Steelers.

The story in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette forthcoming. This is the place that makes sense. I think about Pittsburgh completely different with their current quarterbacks and then with Russ. With Russ, they're a playoff team. They don't need defensive personnel. They don't need a culture creator. That's not what Russ does.

They don't need running back wide receiver tight end talent. What they need is experience, efficiency, and maturity. And Russell brings that. He is committed to football, he may not connect with everybody in every locker room. I get that.

But this one makes sense. You cannot face Burrow twice a year. Lamar Jackson, Kevin Stefansky and Deshawn Watson, Josh Allen, Aaron Rogers, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence. You got C.J. Stroud looks like a star. And Anthony Richards, and according to a story this morning, is crushing it for the Colts and his rehab and development.

You can't do it with what you currently have. So Russell's interested, and the Steelers, according to sources, are interested. This makes a lot of sense to me. You've got too many great coaches, too many great cultures, and too many great quarterbacks in the AFC. You can't do it with backups and bottom-tier guy. You can get to the playoffs. I mean, the Packers this year were kind of experimenting with Jordan Love. They made the playoffs and won a game.

I mean, the Rams were rebuilding this year. They made the playoffs. to Seahawks last year. Gino Smith made the playoffs. You can do that in the NFC. You can't do that in the AFC. It doesn't work that way. So that's kind of something.

I think this is the one that fits. I think it would completely, and by the way, because Russell isn't going to take much money, you don't have to get rid of T.J. Watt. You don't have to move off Naji Harris. You don't have to move off Minka Fitzpatrick. Otherwise, if you brought in Russell, his usual contract, you'd have to scale back.

Now you don't. So you would take Russ over Fields in Pittsburgh? Fields is not a defined, refined quarterback yet. He could be with the right coach. But he's still figuring out how to play. Russ knows how to play. He's not his prime. But that's a big Ben won a lot of games in Pittsburgh.

If Russ knows how to play, why did Seattle move off? Why did Denver move off? You used the phrase declining asset this week. Is Russ not a decline? Not a decline. But in Denver, he was asked pre-Shone Peyton to build a culture around him. Pittsburgh's got their culture. In Seattle, you know, say what you want about Pete Carroll, but Pete Carroll post-Russ, he got fired.

He got to the playoffs too with Gino-Smith. And then got fired. So Russ's culture is, I don't want my teammates to have my phone number. I don't want them to know where I live. There's a lot of weird stuff behind the scenes with him. I don't understand it. It would be like if, you know, we work together closely and you wanted to tell me something. You didn't come and tell me.

You, like, had somebody bring me a note to tell me what you want to say. Like, that's the kind of crap he was doing. And I'm sure Mark Schleroth and other people have reported this, but it's like, that doesn't go over well. It's like, bro, just come and talk to me. We're men, you know? Like, you don't want me to have your phone number. We work closely.

Imagine if I didn't know, like, your phone number or where you live or any of that. Like, that would be a little awkward, right? Like, that's not being part of the culture and part of a team. And I don't know how that's going to go over. in Pittsburgh, and I hope I don't get in trouble for what I just said, but I like Russell Wilson. I'm a fan of his work, but some of the stuff, I can't explain it. Somebody's head said a couple years ago he lost like a life coach. He had like a mental health coach. And that kind of, he's struggle coming out of that. I get it. Like everybody has struggles,

but I'm rooting for us. I just, I don't, Pittsburgh's a strong culture. It's a tough city, man. That defense, they're not going to deal with some, you know, prima don't know, past his prime guy coming in and trying to tell him what to do and how it works. It's fair comments. It's a tough, it feels like a tough fit, but you might be on to something. Andy Reid around the corner. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeard radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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Belichick, Noel, Walsh, Joe Gibbs, and Andy Reid. It's the offseason as they prepare now for free agency and the draft, and he just chalked up another Super Bowl. In my opinion, Bill Walsh and Andy Reid are the most creative, offensive coaches in the history of the sport, and Andy's joining us now from Kansas City. How are you calling? I'm doing great, great to see you.

So a couple times you've sent me plays you've designed. You won't tell me when you're using them, but you'll give me those play designs. And I've said there's something about your method. You're a mentor. It's why so many of your assistants go on to succeed. And do you still, I mean, with Patrick Mahomes, do you say, hey, I got a great idea.

I stole this off YouTube from a 1950 Rose Bowl. Do you go to Patrick first? Where does this stuff come from in your head? Because I know what you do in the off-season. That's why your record in September, you got all these card tricks. Where does that stuff come from? Yeah, well, I've, some of them we think of, some of them we kind of borrow from, from, it doesn't matter where, right?

I'll take it from anybody. So it can be Pop Warner football team. If it looks good, we'll try it. And then I've got, listen, I've got great coaches and creative guys. I've got these young guys that have great minds and so they put things together. They know they've got the full form to draw from. and let's try it. Who says it's impossible?

And then Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, I mean, these guys on the offensive side, they'll donate a play here or there. They've got great minds. So they, and all in all, everybody gets a little piece of the pie and feels pretty good about it, and we try to go out and execute it at Mach's feet.

You know, Andy, you have not fallen for this. I don't need to name the coaches, but there are some when they get power in their organization, and they want to control personnel. And in my opinion, it's hard enough to be a great coach and a great GM separately. Those are two jobs.

You have arguably the best draft GM in the league in Brett Veach. And really sharp guy. He's hit on multiple mid and late round picks. You don't appear to be somebody that needs either for ego gratification or whatever it is. You don't have to call the shots. But has there ever been a time when you've gone to Brett

and said, hey, I like this guy. Or do you just let Brett say, hey, you know, because Parcell's had the great line. If I'm making dinner, I get to buy the groceries. I get it. But how does that thing with you and Brett work if you love a college player? So Brett was my administrative assistant out of college. And then he's worked his way up through.

So I've got like the ultimate trust in the guy. I don't need to say anything to him. However, he brings myself and the coaching staff. everything he's he's a he wants to know our opinion and so I and then he also takes obviously the opinion of his guys and he blends this thing in and then he makes the decision on it I'm sure if I went to him and said hey listen I can't stand this guy but he knows he knows after all these years he knows what we try to do offensively and defensively and the kind of guys that we like here so I've never

had that or needed to have that conversation with them. I got to have this guy or this is my, you know, I don't like your guy. We don't ever go there. So there was a point during the regular season. Jason and I would say this on the air. I'd say, I trust Andy you'll figure it out, but I don't love what I'm seeing with this receiving court. I said this multiple times.

I'm like, you know, if Burrow was healthy, I don't know if I'd take Kansas City. But you figured it out over time. Rishie Rice elevated. There was more consistency. but was there a time last season, week six, week nine, week 12, that you sat down and thought, I don't know if we got the firepower here. I don't know if I can get this right. Because I felt about Thanksgiving, I'm like, it still doesn't look right to me.

That's because you were letting Jason influence you, man. I mean, come on. After this conversation, he's going to put some red on and jump on the bandwagon. So this is the one thing that I knew, Colin, is it's so important. You're a quarterback, you know this, that sweet zone for you is inside those numbers. And so, and we've got one of the best that's ever done it with Kelts. Kelts has always had Sundance next to him, right? So with the Butch Cassidy Sundance analogy here, he's always had that guy to work with him.

And that's so important for working inside those numbers. It's a happy zone for the quarterbacks. And then you've got to get two guys that can play out. We had Sammy here. We've had juju here. Jiu Jiu. Pringle jumped in. They all do kind of, they know how to play in Zones.

They know how to get off man coverage. They know how to play in that tight area there. And that becomes so important for Kelsey's program. People were going, Kelsey's over the hill. Well, no, we just needed Rashid to keep growing. And he was so willing to do that. And Patrick was so willing to work with him. and never got frustrated with them or anything else,

and it worked out. So we all had hope. We just needed to keep growing. And we saw it the year before with our defense. Our secondary were a bunch of young guys, and they just kept getting better and better. By the time we got to the playoffs, they were rolling. You know, when you and Travis Kelsey had that thing at the Super Bowl,

my take was Andy's different. He has a different relationship. These coaches, some are young, some are old. Shanahan McVey may have a different relationship with players than a Belichick or a Sean Peyton. And my take is, hey, coaches bark at players, sometimes a player in the heat of a game. I always defended Peyton Manning if he barked at Jeff Saturday. I'm like, guys. Or if Brady barked at Josh McDaniels, I'm like, guys, it's three hours.

You work all week for these moments. Did you think it was overblown by us, the media? Yeah, I just, listen. I didn't see him coming or I would have forearm ripped him, but I mean, you know, he got me. Now, listen, I love his passion, and I'm going to tell you, he just goes, fire me up. He's always telling me, fire me up. And so I'm hard on him. He's like one of my kids.

I mean, I try to stay on top of him and make sure that he's right, because he's our personality of our team. As a great leader as Patrick is, everybody follows Kelts. When he's fired up, everybody falls along in that. And so, and listen, do things get a little crazy? Yeah, they get a little crazy. But that's why it's the job's so great. His job's great, my job's great. We're not getting put in the back of a police car for arguing with each other.

That's not what's happened. You got to give me a little secret here to the audience. When's the last time, you have the world's best quarterback, when's the last time you had to bark at a meeting tomorrow? Mahomes or you had to bark at him at practice. Come on, Patrick, get it right. Or if you move past that, I think you bark at him because I think that's your personality and I think that's how you keep standards high at any business.

When's your last argument with Mahomes? Yeah, it's hard to, it's hard to argue with a guy that comes into the huddle every day and goes, let's be great and means it. And so I don't have to bark at him a whole lot. He's a one driven dude and that's important for a lot of reasons. But at the same time, if I get on him just a tick, then I know I can get on anybody in that locker room, and including myself, and they all know that I'm hard on myself. I'm going to try to give him my best every day, and all I ask is that in return.

But Pat, you don't have to say much to Pat. He honestly wants to work and want you to give him things, which makes it great, want you to give him things to make him even greater than he is today. He wants something for tomorrow. Yeah. I would make you the favorite next year. I've said this. I thought this was the year to get Andy Reed-Mahomes.

This was the year. Your receiving core was developing. You know, I looked at Baltimore playing great. You weren't going to have home field advantage all the way through. I thought this is the year and you won. So now you've got to convince your players, you should be better next year. Guys, they're coming for us.

Do you worry it all about, there's a reason nobody three-pits. The Steelers didn't three-peat when the league didn't have all this mobility. How do you light the fire for clearly the best team in the league? Yeah, I don't worry about the three-peat and all of that. That's not where I'm at. I mean, our guys might think about it or whoever,

That's not how I think. I think about it very simply of make sure that you're ready to go when we get to St. Joe, that's training camp. Nothing's going to change there. We're going to go through the process. It's not necessarily easy, but it'll build a foundation. And then let's work after that.

Got ourselves ready for the game. There's so much energy that goes into each game. You hear coach say one game at a time, well, I'm a big believer in that. So, but you have to do it. I'm not talking about it. I want to do it. And that's the important thing I think when you do all this. And then as long as you can stay relatively healthy and, you know, the ball's shaped a little weird. So as long as you can catch the bounce here or there the right way, you have a chance. We've got good players. And Brett's always going to present the coaching staff with good players.

So go coach them. And let's take their talents and maximize them. We'll work on those things that maybe they're not quite as good at and try to get them better there. And let's roll. Let's see what we can do. Andy, you look good. You're wearing the little not a pullover now, a little chilly for a Hawaiian shirt. A little chilly there in Kansas City. Yeah.

Yeah, we're having a storm here, so it's real chilly. It's great seeing you. Say hi to all the guys in the front office. Congratulations. Ten appearances in the playoffs in 11 years. Eight straight division titles. one of these days I'm going to make it to the combine you're one of the last coaches that goes great seeing you this door is always open for you can come back

here anytime I'm gonna get you away from the beach but that's our I like the beach Andy Reid all right um let's see you can't remember we do all right Andy Reid Andy Reid um Mark Sanchez coming up in a second I would say this What is, eight straight division titles? Like, it is the safest bet in sports. Safest bet in sports, chiefs win their division. If I said, give me the three safest bets in the NFL next year. Chiefs win the division.

Bills win the division. You don't think they've won five, four, five straight. They barely won the division this year. They had a storm back to take the golf. Okay, so if Kansas City winning the division is the safest bet in the NFL, What's the second safest bet? Don't tell me San Francisco winning their division. I was just going to say.

No way. Who's winning it? Who? The Rams? Rams have 11 draft picks, a more talented quarterback, an elite head coach, and more draft capital. That's not a guarantee. That's a bad guarantee.

I have the nine-ers-shanahan totally owning McVeigh head-to-head. How about this? How about this guarantee? No, I can't do that either. I was going to say Raiders' fourth in their division. Trevor Lawrence bounced back and they win the division? That's guarantee. That's what I'm saying.

he's in life except for what, death and taxes or something like that? The guarantee, the top guarantee is Kansas City. You can just say this, Chiefs will make the playoffs. That's a guarantee. No. Probably. Best coach, best quarterback,

best GM. Jim Harbaugh is coming into the division. That's what I'm saying. I think they'll challenge them, but that roster has like four holes. Keep an eye on the Bo Nix-Shon-Paeton revival in Denver. Let's bring him on. Mark Sanchez. sitting patiently in the studio.

Fox Sports Analyst is joining us here on a Thursday, 10 years in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another comment on the search. So good thing, buddy. Questionable. Hold on. You know, so, oh, you, so.

Do we have an optimism? I like that. My optimism meter? I'm optimistic that J-Max is going to wear something else a more. You don't like his shirt? No, I'm joking. I just give it a hard time.

If you put a disco ball in a blackjack table, he'd be perfect. God, look at that guy. Look at that guy. There's time gone. Look at how gritty you were in determined. I'm prime, coach. And your prime.

So this is the time that we pick apart. Oh, everybody. So I try to be positive. But I do think, I will say, the Caleb Williams stuff, there have been, Ryan Leif said something, Lance Zerline said something, and I thought they were fair. Is that in this, and Mahomes had a little bit of this early, and so did Lamar. they leaned into the spectacular because it worked in high school and college. You played with NFL guys at USC.

You know, Patrick didn't necessarily, right? Not quite the telling you. Patrick had to make plays. And then you get to the NFL and you can do some of it. And all of a sudden the defensive end runs a 458 and you're like, this ain't great. So is the criticism of he tends to not take the layups, he leans into the spectacular. Is that fair to you? Well, I think you just have to.

measure that. And this whole process is a flawed process. It's not totally fair. To think you know this kid after a 15-minute interview and watching him run another offense with another coach and trying to compare, you know, this guy won this many games against ranked opponents. This guy didn't. This guy has this many fourth quarter comebacks. This guy doesn't. I mean, it's all just at the end of the day. Are you comfortable with him? Do you want them in your locker room? Is you going to make the teammates around him better. Can he get the job done? Can he execute what you're asking him to do? And when you watch Caleb, you see some of the most spectacular, and people use the word awesome, way too much, but awesome, electrifying plays I have ever seen any quarterback make at any level. It is unbelievable.

He had to play against Arizona. May have been the best play I saw an individual make this year. I mean, he has won at least almost every game, if not multiple. And then there's a couple where you're like, we got to pull that back. We got to somehow find a way to control that impulse. Shout out Larry David. Curb your enthusiasm. Let's just get on with the game. And my analogy is Clark Kent versus Superman.

Petty theft and traffic violations. You know what Clark Kent does? He keeps his same boring outfit on the button down and khakis and the rim glasses and just keeps on going with his life. Checking the ball down. Getting rid of it. Taking the sack. You're up 21 against Colorado.

Not forcing the ball on. third and six you're running them out of the gym dude get on with your life they got you yeah it's okay it's okay say uncle move on now if the biggest building in metropolis is falling over and there's a meteor about to hit metropolis put the cape yeah go get in the phone booth and bring out the cape and let's do this do your deal yeah and you're gonna know that you know why because the coaches know that the players know that everybody in the stadium and everybody watch it on tv knows that so when it's time to take out the cape take it out be you but you can't wear it all the time because it gets raggedy and when you do it too much like a little bit this year i think he's gotten

a little loose with the football a little loose with mechanics trying to do too much yeah i mean listen spoiler alert superman dies these defensive coaches are coming up with your kryptonite for six days trying to ruin your life on sunday that's their job so i have two plays picked out for you we'll beat them up first and then we'll bring them back to life and praise him after that okay i once had a boss that was his theory on well it's like uh it's like calling it's like therapy is it Colin you're a work. I put my arm around it and kick you in the butt at the same time. So let's start with the uplifting people. No, no, no, no. Other way around. You break him down and then build them up. Okay, let's break him down. Yeah, therapy. Okay. So this is going to be a negative play.

And you can start rolling the clip. I think he gets fold at the snap. He thinks there's going to be pressure at the top of the screen. Go ahead and roll it. Okay. You see the two stacked defenders. A lot of times that'll tell you pressure. It's a bad disguise, in my opinion, by Colorado. But he's going to try and work this slant route because he thinks maybe there's pressure up top. You'll see at the bottom of the screen, he's got an easy completion to Taj Washington, but he decides to go up top. Okay, he picks the wrong side. No problem. The play's not over. We can still salvage this thing. There is a throw here to the halfback before this guy gets to you and tries to rip your face off, is DeLyman that comes through porous protection. But he decides to

move and get back to the other side. And now he's going to extend the play. Okay, we're entering danger zone. Now, as this play gets longer, I need you to get smarter. You see his vision. It's going to get smaller and smaller as you go to the sideline. He's got a throwaway option right here in Washington, right there. Just throw it at his feet, throw it high and away, a ball, only he can catch. This is third and six. You're up 21 points on the road. But look at this vision. It's getting smaller and smaller and this. I don't ever, ever, ever want to see this again, Caleb Williams at the next level. This hit, you're out of the game, you're out for the season. The whole staff gets fired. And he throws an interception into a herd of buffaloes.

That's one of the best things you've ever done on this show. I'm just telling you, this is some hard, hard coaching, because I've done this. I saw Patrick Mahomes do this in the Super Bowl a couple months ago or whatever, a couple weeks ago. He threw a horrible interception. One of the worst plays I've seen him have all year. He's had some bad plays.

The pick six against the Raiders on Christmas Day. Horrible. I mean, as a tough quarterback critique, you're like, dude, this stuff makes me want to puke. What are you doing? But watch what else this kid can do. Okay. and it will blow your mind.

Wait until you see some of the stills on this. Okay, go. It's drop eight coverage. He recognizes it right away. So when he's processing the right way, when he sees it and knows it and feels it, dude, this kid is deadly, just like Mahomes, just like the great players that we've seen play quarterback.

He's going to start to the left. They got two on two. They got his concept covered. Okay, no big deal. It's drop eight. Don't forget. He's got plenty of time in the pocket. You can take a breath versus drop eight

because there's only three guys rushing. But when he goes back to the other side, full field read. I like to see that as a college or as a pro scout. Nope, no good. I'm going to extend this play. A lot of guys just get behind this left tackle or left guard here and start running with the football. But this guy's going to extend it a little more just like he did the last play, but this time he's going to make a great decision. He feels that defensive guy triggered. Look at that silhouette. What does that look like? It looks like Air Jordan. It looks like the Jordan logo. That throw, the way he can contort his body, the elasticity he has.

in his torso and arm talent. I mean, he's got talent dripping out of his ears. But to make this throw, it looks like Derek Jeter fielding a ground ball going towards third base, slamming on the brakes, jumping up and gunning a guy out at first base. I mean, it is unbelievable. No, no, you can't teach that. No coach can teach him to do that. So now what's the magic with this kid? What do you do? Well, what's the situation? What's the offense he was running? What were they asking him to do? How does he fit in our building? How are we going to develop him? How am I going to get him to understand the impulse control and when it's time to be Superman?

And if you can do that, just like they've done with Patrick Mahomes, because he made some of these same unbelievable plays, unbelievably good and unbelievably bad plays in college. Can you do that? Well, what did Patrick have? And I've said it on the show. He had Andy Reid, a system. That language hasn't changed in six years.

his whole time, seven years, because he sat out here, watching one of the best pros of all time with their preparation, with the way they see the field. Like, Alex Smith, I guarantee you can go into every room on your offense and teach plays, teach the offense, install the offense, to linemen, receivers, tight ends, running back to everybody. Can Caleb do that? Well, it sounds like you did pretty well in some of those interviews.

Some of the people I'm talking to are like, he's a sharp dude. Oh, no, he is. Now, do you get, how much do you get into the, oh, you know, I hear people critique him. Oh, he's crying like a baby with his mom after the game. Okay. Jason Kelsey's one of the best players we've seen in a while. I mean, the guy's bawling like a little baby on TV after, because this is his whole life. I mean, of course, he's got a family and kids now, so it's different.

Yeah. But, I mean, I played with the guy. I was his locker mate at Philly. I mean, that's a dedicated, sold-out guy, man. He's in it to win it for the squad. Down. Well, okay. So he cries. He cares that much. I don't care about that.

Yeah. You know, the fingernails stuff. I mean, people dive so deep into some of this. Yeah, could he show up to your game? You know, on a Sunday at one o'clock in a pink suit, yellow shoes, blue fingernails. Maybe. I don't know. But is it going to go ball out? Is he going to make the right decision on third and six, up 21? Well, you know, a lot of coaches, a lot of teams. They're fine with that because production breeds tolerance. If you're really good, I don't treat everybody equally. I'll treat you fairly. Good coaches understand that. The bus leaves it too unless you're Derelle Revis.

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It's like they're related or something. Drake May is getting clobbered by everybody. And I'm not going to give it away. I said during the break, you know, big, he's tall, he moves, and you had a very interesting comp.

I was like, well, and these comps are so unfair in some ways to the player because you immediately expect, okay, well, he's going to have as good of a career or better than that guy. When you're really trying to evaluate these players as, are they like a legitimate starter in this league? A average to above average starter in this league. Anything else will take it.

But to get there, like, can I make this guy that? Or does he have the tools to get me there? And can we put pieces around him and can he develop into something else? But when I watch Drake May, that's a big, tall, strong, sturdy dude, man. And you see? I said Drew Bletzo. and that guy was like oh, Drew was. Yeah, and tough

and great release and could sling it all over the yard, took hits, got right back up. I mean, he's a heck of a player. And when you see this Drake make hit, you're like, dang, I can work with that. You know what I mean? You see like this big ball of clay and like, I'm going to

mold this thing about everything I want. Yeah, I think there's, there's, you got it. Just like with Caleb, just like with any of these guys, you're going to find flaws. Is it injuries? You know, are we talking Michael Pennock? thinks, oh, what if he gets hurt again? You know, you'll lose your job. If you pass on Caleb and he becomes Patrick Mahomes, you're fired. Well, yeah, if you miss on any of these guys, you're probably

fired. So that's the way it goes. But you want to see, I want to see him in a dirty pocket. I want to see him with guys with trash around his feet. You know what I mean? I want to see him extend to play. I want to see him launch one out of the building like that. God, I mean, scouts and coaches just drool over stuff like that. I want to see him roll and chuck a ball up for grabs. Let me see what that looks like. I mean, this guy's guys guys, post-snapability. You can tell like, okay, either played basketball or baseball. This dude's an athlete. He can make some plays for me, but he's more of a pocket guy. You look at a guy like Jaden Daniels, you're going to get the extended plays. You're going to get the wild plays on, you know,

the sideline. I think he takes some big shots now. My man has gotten pummeled a couple times. And you're just like, ooh, you can't last like that in this league. Ask anybody. Ask any quarterback. You just can't last like that. So, you know, You know, they all have something that you want. All of them can make it happen. It's just where are you going? What's your situation? I want to ask you about somebody in the league.

He doesn't lean into the spectacular. He wears his religion on his sleeve, family guy golf shirts, not cool. Kirk Cousins, I've always said, is DAC without the Jordan brand and the star in the helmet. The numbers are virtually identical. He's out there potentially. You know the coach in Minnesota. What do you make as a former pro quarterback? What do you make of Kirk?

Well, number one, love his game, a ton of respect for the guy. I think he's truly his authentic self. And that's kind of what you're trying to get at with all these interviews with these young kids anyway. Are they being authentic? Is it disingenuous? Like, who is this guy? Kirk's exactly who he is. He knows exactly who he is.

And owns that. And I love that. 36-year-old guy coming off Achilles. You know, I'm sure the organization, it makes sense for them to, bring them back. And it makes sense for him to not jump ship because you got everything there. You might potentially want to take a pay cut, though,

so they could pay some of those other guys. Maybe. I don't know. But you're looking at a guy who's, I think, before... Oh, before his injury, he was on fire. Yeah, but check these numbers. I think, like, career before he got to Minnesota or before O'Connell started with him, he was like 76 and 67,

so, like, 11 games over 500. Yeah. He's 11 games over 500. now already 17 and 8 offensive coach yeah and he's missed a little time but i mean okay he's made some clutch plays man and that's a that's a heck of a system that's you know what i mean like i'm thinking at that age you know the tom brady model of yeah save a couple bucks for these guys i need uh i think so i want a really good pass rusher i want a really good corner on our defense i want you know we need a couple things i need some playmakers yeah we got to figure out a way for justin jefferson's

stick around. So they got, you know, just like every team, they got issues to figure out. Yeah. Kevin O'Connell of Vikings is the best coach in the NFL that nobody is yet putting in the best coach group. You know, I mean, it takes a while. You got to have, you got to win games to go to the playoffs. I think, I said this about Stefanski three years ago. I'd watch Cleveland. I'm like, that is a really good football coach. It's really good. No, you know, it was like he was coaching to win that he would shut his offense down and Cleveland fans would go. He's conservative. And I'm like, no, they lead by eight. Yeah. There's four left. Just drive this thing home. You know Kevin.

I do. I do really well. Super bright, right? Incredibly bright. We knew he was going to coach way back when. I mean, you just know, like, guys like Derek Fisher, you know they're going to coach. Certain players you play with, you're just like, oh, yeah, that's automatic. Now, how far you want to take it?

You want to be a coordinator? You want to be a head man? Boom. He can do it all. Can he bark it, guys? Oh, yeah. He's got plenty of juice for all that. His looks don't totally give away his whole personality.

He seems like a nice guy. He seems like a super nice guy, but I don't want my coach to be too nice. But don't, but don't, you know, don't execute my play poorly. You know what I mean? Like, get the job done, dude. What are we doing here? We're not just hanging out for our health. We're trying to win games.

Right. You know what I mean? So he's got plenty of juice for that. Mark Sanchez came in from the O.C. It's a long drive. California traffic's no day at the beach. And we always appreciate you stopping by, buddy. Appreciate it.

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