The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Jayson Tatum is getting paid

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Doug can't understand how Jayson Tatum ended up with the largest contract in the history of the NBA after his teammate Jaylen Brown was the better player in their run to winning the championship this year   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and however you may be listening to the show. Thanks so much for making it's part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd. We've got a heck of a heck of a couple hours of a show for you. Do you guys see what Jason Taven signed for? Holy cow. Holy cow.

Apparently Donovan Mitchell is staying in Cleveland. And just look, all the talk, all the buzz in sports right now is with the NBA movement, or maybe they're on some level lack thereof. And the decision that Clay Thompson had, right? Where he decided to choose the Mavs over the Lakers and leaving the Warriors. Which brings us to what's really kind of at play here. And last hour, Mark Stein, joined us. And I thought it was really interesting. We were talking about Clay Thompson, and we were talking

about what's next for the Lakers now that Clay Thompson didn't go play for the team that he grew up watching, rooting for, his dad played for now broadcast for. Here's Mark Stein last hour. Talk about where the Lakers go from here. Their options are so limited, and they've also got a clock ticking because, you know, LeBron James' Team USA camp is starting just in a few days this weekend. and LeBron's going to want to have his deal done by then. He's not going to want to practice with Team USA and start getting ready for the Olympics without a signed contract. You know, there's been all the talk about LeBron's willingness

to take a pay cut, but that was only if they were getting a James Hardin, a Clay Thompson. Now, I think Demar DeRosen still lands in that group, and DeMar de Rosen is still out there. but I think there is a question of how Damar would fit. Is Demar really willing to take, you know, he would have to take a significant pay cut from where he is where he's been with the Bulls for the last few seasons.

But look, Demar DeRosen is also a Southern Californian. The options for him appear to be somewhat limited in free agency. You know, would he be willing to join the Lakers for a lot less and he's been making with the Bulls. I'm not so sure on that. Yeah, okay, so let's discuss this. First thing is, okay, I understand how the media has described, discuss the Bonnie thing.

Let's just get to brass tax, okay? It was just, you heard in our update, and you haven't you seen on social media, Bronny James can sign a multi-year guaranteed contract with Lakers. I mean, we're getting to the point to where this is just silly. you know it's kind of a joke and I'll draw the parallel last year Amari Bailey

was drafted I think 49 by the Charlotte Bobcats right or there's the Charlotte Hornstel sorry so by the Charlotte Hornets he was just they didn't tender him an offer so he's a free agent by the way the Lakers go pick him up Amari Bailey was 10 times the prospect

I mean a player they were on the same team two years ago wasn't really close not really close Amari Bailey played at UCLA again two years ago as compared to Bronny James at USC and again in terms of

and Marri Bailey didn't have a great freshman year but by about mid year on he started to really come on really crank it up and he was the 49th pick in a better draft no question in a better draft deeper draft he was not tendered a multi-year guaranteed contract and then he was he was released

also not mentioned, like, it's a great kind of comeback story for Bronte to have suffered a heart attack last year, but no other player would suffer a heart attack, and then you take on that medical risk, you know, especially, it's not like he's a top 10 kid that slid to 55. He's a probably not a second round pick that got picked, despite the fact that he had a major heart issue just one year ago. And why am I bringing this thing up? Because, Because again, all of this becomes about LeBron. It sucks up all of the oxygen.

All of it. And if you think for one second that guys believe the Lakers really want to win a championship, if they're spending all this time about Brony James just to keep LeBron happy, like, what? Huh? Dallas wants to win. They got to the finals and they're like, you know what, that's not good enough. we're going to add Quentin Grimes we're going to add Clay Thompson

like we're going to battle here they have a star young center they have the best offensive player in the league in Luca Donchuk that is that is a real they want to win meanwhile the Lakers

like look last year that's the healthiest LeBron A.D could have or possibly be they didn't play every game but for their for LeBron's age and for Anthony Davis's health that's always gone up and down to be solid all year long. And still look where it got them. So that's where the Lakers and the Warriors are kind of in the same place.

Right. Like they're going to tell you, hey, look, look at it. We still have LeBron and Anthony Davis. And the Warriors are going to say, hey, we still have Steph Curry and Draymond Green. And, you know, maybe they hold on to Andrew Wiggins. And then you have, of course, you got Jonathan Camingas there, young, player they think can really grow and can really evolve this year. But when your superstar is aging, when other teams are younger and better, you're just

doing that to sell tickets. You're not doing that to win a championship. Look, and yesterday, I told you, I was still willing to believe that the Warriors, that there's a big play there in them, that they're doing something that had to be done. And part of it is they've been paying the tax. And their ownership group, I'm sure, said, hey, we'll pay whatever tax. if we can compete for a championship. Now it's pretty obvious that as of right now,

they're not able to compete for a championship, so let's not go into a second apron tax. We're not in a mode to kind of go for it. You know, I know that, what Colin used to say that when LeBron coming to L.A. was in Mogul stage. I feel like the Golden State Warriors, they're now like that group

that tours on albums that they released five or six years ago. We're not even going to play one from our new album, or when we do, we'll just play one song from the new album. Let's just go to the hits. Let's just play those hits. It gets people in the building. It gets you feeling good. Is it anything new?

Is it anything innovated? No. But, man, those were good hits back in the day. That's what the Warriors are. Whereas the Lakers, kind of the same thing. They had the one run in the bubble. You know, they had a little mini run last year where they got to the Western Conference Finals. but the reality is

everybody else is young, everybody else is better and not only they're not scared of LeBron the way they used to be scared of LeBron they don't really want to play with LeBron they had an opportunity to and LeBron said and made it public hey I'll take less money for

these guys and all those guys like yeah I'm good I'm good this is not me saying this this is the league 450 players in the NBA The ones that want to do the ones that matter those top 50 They're not doing somersaults to play in LA They're just not

And what's down for the Lakers and for the Warriors It feels like you're just kind of playing the hits Playing it out Try and get to the playoffs Win a series and bid a do Right And then do that really uncomfortable A little bit too long hug

At the end of every one of those series where you're supposed to be imparting some sort of wisdom in a guy. Like, you got 10 seconds on a basketball floor. If you think those things said in somebody's ear when there's ticker tape falling that really resonates, come on, man, get over yourself. Set it to him in a text. The Lakers and the Warriors are now doing the state fair tours.

Go back, play the hits, make us dream of what we used to have. Austin Reeves is more developed than Jonathan Caminga, but still kind of one of the same. They're good players that are going to be. be really good players. Are they good enough players to ever become the best player on that team and be a championship level best team? No.

No. Anthony Davis, still more dominant than Draymond is in their very, very different roles, but the idea that Anthony Davis stays healthy or Draymond Green stays sane for an entire season, equally unlikely.

And LeBron continues to be magnificent in terms of how he plays for his age, but he doesn't really guard anymore. He takes plays off on offense and with the new age of ball movement he that's just not how he plays he wants the ball at the top of the key to go into isos and step's still incredible but he's back to the he's such a defensive liability it's a lot harder to hide with this group that is more offensive minded and while he's still effective he's not able to be as affected because people have adjusted all right coming up next

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I don't know if you saw this news. But last night, I mean, I guess who knows when it was actually agreed to, but last night it was announced that Jason Tatum has reached an agreement to become the highest paid player in the history of the NBA. With a five-year, $314 million deal. Five-year, $314 million deal. Should be pointed out that the, highest valued contract.

Previous this was Jalen Brown. So the two of them, the two of them, will make a combined, was it, $600 million combined? Over the next, to a next contract.

In a not so shocking, not so shocking, unrelated news, Whit Grossbeck, who is part of the ownership group that owns the Celtics, they're like, hey, we're giving,

what a championship, and we're giving it. out new contracts and oh yeah hey by the way if anybody wants to buy the celtics there for sale for like five or six billion dollars right which look could we say it's about sell high sure right franchise values and there's only 30 of them and the celtics are historically great arguably the greatest franchise ever in arguably one of the two greatest franchises ever So I do understand But what has changed between

You know Two years ago and now They won a championship But oh yeah These these deals are ridiculous But have we Have we stopped to like take our breath and go like Like when Pat Mahamah signed his contract

There has been and we'll never be a person Like whatever you can pay him It's not enough Like the guy's the best And the guy's literally the best You know we do this thing in all the sports. We're like, well, you know,

how many more, Pat Mahomes, how many more years does he have to play? He doesn't have to play another second to be a first ballot Hall of Famer and to be arguably or inarguably the greatest of all the time. Like, no, well, he's got to play.

No, he doesn't. Like, what, he's done it with great talent. He's done it with below average wide receivers. Like, talk about pulling a rabbit out of your, out of your rectum. That's what he did. He's amazing.

So when Pat Mahomes was the highest paid player in the history of professional football, there's no argument. Show Hey Otani, I don't, even though he's injured and he can't pitch, there's no real argument, right? Even without pitching, he's still arguably the best hitter in baseball, and it's fairly obvious to anyone who pays attention. Like, he brings, he has a financial funnel that no one else has with how popular he is internationally, especially in Japan. And show Hey Otani signs for $700 a million. Like, I don't really know what the number is that's enough, you know?

and so much of it's deferred, but no one's argued. Jason Tatum, really? And how it will be relayed is the Gottlieb's hating on Jason Tatum. Okay. Or, if you name the five best players in the NBA, five best players in the NBA, would anybody put Jason Tatum on that list?

And look, I could say the same thing when Jalen Brown signed his contract. I understand there's a timing element to it. right that you know it's just like comps in real estate but comps and real estate like you're not getting above what viny down the street got for his house when your house isn't as nice yeah it may go up you know three four or five 10 11 percent per year right but the reality is like that house went for more because it's worth more it has more value it's a better home it's on a better lot it has a better floor plan.

I'm willing to give Jason Tatum a pass for the NBA finals they played two years ago against the Warriors. It's the first time. He's young. He didn't play well. They loaded up on him defensively. The roster wasn't good.

This year, their roster was unbelievable. Literally, perfect roster. Only flaw in the roster is Christosperzingis is basically held together by Scotch tape. You're just hoping that he can make it through a series and he couldn't even make it through a series. They still won.

No, they benefited in the fact that Dallas wasn't the best team in the West. That was a step ahead of where even Dallas thought they would be. And so there was a talent disparity there. It was a mismatch. And it was a tough matchup when, you know, you have two bigs that defend the rim and both of the centers for the Boston Celtics play outside the three-point line. So some of it was matchups. Some was, I mean, like, look, the Mavericks were, what were they, like the five-seat?

In the West? one of the top four teams in the NBA, let alone the best team in the West. So you play against an inferior opponent. You win the series, and fairly handily. And for the second straight NBA finals, Jason Tatum, not great,

not your best player. So we can go round and round about what the number actually should have been, but just this, the way which it works, which is just Spitfire, which is whatever the most we can pay him, that's how much we have to pay him.

That's just a weird way of doing business. I'm like a round number guy. Why don't you pay both him and Jalen Brown $250 million and be done with it? But the numbers are absolutely obscene. Absolutely obscene. Five years, $314 million. And the last year, the fifth year of that deal, he'll make, what, $74 million? Good to bid the king.

although not the best player on his team in two different NBA finals and while a very, very good score and a very, very good player. And by the way, he has a camp going on right now in Vegas, which I've heard is really good, where they bring in pro guys, college guys, high school guys, and they work with some of the elite high school players, many of these guys who weren't selected for USA basketball. Again, this is no knock on who he is and what he's doing,

but like he's not Yokic you know he's not Luca he's not Embed not Yannis right he's just not he's that whatever that next year

great score on a great team we're going to pay him seventy four million dollars in year five okay let's get to rhyme music with the news no turn on the news this is the herd line news

yeah it's interesting Doug, you do bring up a good point, which is like it's just become so... Just one good point? Just one good point? Yeah, only one. In the entire show, by the way, not just in that segment. No, that you know, at what point

did we decide that it's just become commonplace that, well, it's his turn and this guy just gets paid more. You know, I know Colin tends to be a proponent of Trevor Lawrence, but me personally, sort of how I felt about the Trevor Lawrence thing is, you know, people look at it.

It's like, well, you know, look what he's had to overcome. And it's his time to get paid, so it makes sense. And I'm like, but in what world has Trevor Lawrence ever even given the slight indication that he should be a top five quarterback in this league beyond the fact that he won the national championship at Clemson like six or seven years ago at this point? Like we just, we just anointed him as this. And then because it was his turn to get paid, it's, oh, yep, nope, he's the zone. serving of it. It sort of feels that way with Jason Tatum. I mean, and I know Mark Stein, who we had on last hour, pointed

out that, you know, he'll only be at this level for another 11 months or whatever it is until Luca Donchish is then eligible for his extension and then he'll be surpassed. It just feels weird that a player who's not even the best player on his own team

and the most important moments has now become the league's highest paid player. And we all saw it. It wasn't like, you know, like regular season games, we don't, we don't pay that much attention too much, let's just kind of be honest with it. Sure, or even if he didn't quite live up to it in the NBA finals, if he had won regular season MVP or won it twice this year, then you're like, okay, well, you know, but he hasn't even gotten to that level yet.

So it's certainly an interesting space in which sports are at, and it doesn't appear that hardly any team is ever willing. It's interesting, you know, it weren't in this era, where we want to point out, like, executive, CEO greed, executive greed. Like,

just greed is across the board. Sure. Need $370 million? And, and, and, the other part, too, which I find to be interesting,

is, like, teams just feel compelled like we have to give them this money. Absolutely. I don't, I don't understand that way of running a business. It's clearly working for the Celtics as of now, but, man,

And you got to think at some point in time, just, hey, what if we gave you $500, $200 million, five years, $200 million? That's $40 million a year, guaranteed. And then we use all that other money to make sure you had an awesome team around you. I don't know. You want to establish yourself in legendary status. And the reason the Warriors were able to fill out their roster was because, remember, Steph's second contract was, you know, four years, $44 million because he was coming off of all those ankle injuries.

That's correct, yeah. And then I think also because Kevin Durant, granted, not need. merely to the level to which Steph Curry was getting paid being that he was a two-time MVP and whatnot. But even Kevin Durant agreed to he had to take less. He didn't take the full maximum to be a part of that roster. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah, I mean, it is the sort of Tom Brady model is tried and true, which is the guy still ended up making an unworldly amount of money playing professional sports and also knew what the formula was in order to ensure that he had a great

supporting cast around him and was able to win more Super Bowls than anyone else in the history of the league. Like, this isn't that hard to figure out. It's, it's pretty straightforward there. But nonetheless, guys want to get their money and I suppose that's the case. It will be interesting, as we mentioned yesterday. LeBron James was willing to consider taking a pay cut if it meant they could get a difference maker. And a lot of those difference makers are off the board now. So we will see if LeBron James will be the latest to potentially take a pay cut or not. But let's turn our attention back to what we were talking about. Clay Thompson's departure from the Warriors, Doug,

and that's because this just in. Steph Curry has spoken on his official verified Instagram account. He posted on his story this statement, and I will read it in hold. It's not that long. I'm going to miss you, Clay Thompson. Even though we won't finish the journey together, what we did will never be done again. Couldn't have imagined a better run with you and Draymond Green.

Change the whole Bay Area. Change the way the game is played. Kill a clay at the center of it all. Thank you for everything, bro. Go enjoy playing basketball and doing what you do. Splash Bros. For Life, my guy. Steph Curry, chiming in on his teammate. Play Thompson, leaving the Warriors.

Most likable superstar I could ever remember. You just handle it the right way. You know? Yeah. It was terrible. He suffered two catastrophic injuries in succession, and he couldn't get back to that level he wanted to be at. And the Warriors made what the decision you had to make.

You know, you got to make. And, you know, I don't know. I mean, in their social media posts, they've handled it like champs. I just, I do wonder what life is going to be like for Steph Curry if he's riding a sinking chip. I give him a chance because they did what, you know, the Lakers weren't willing to do this with Kobe. You know? And obviously what Kobe was able to do in his last game was legendary, but because Kobe had that crazy contract, you know, they were, they were handcuffed a bit.

And, you know, Kobe had to kind of ride out, ride it off into the sunset on a sinking ship. And, you know, unfortunately, you know, that 60-point game, that wasn't a lead, that wasn't a playoff game. That was a meaningless regular season game that he, you know, he did the Mamba outfit. But it's a really hard decision. I get it. But I also understand why it would work. You know, you can't be one of the greatest players in the history of a franchise and the Splash brother. Like, oh, yeah, now we're bringing him off the bench.

Just doesn't, that dynamic doesn't work. Psychology 101. Yeah. And it will be interesting, as you said, with Steph Curry's finish, because of how much the CBA has changed and the Scali Cap has changed. change to where no longer is it as feasible to just spend through the roof if you are not immediately within sights of being a title contender. And the fact is, when you look at the Warriors, like, yes, they did end up winning a title.

You cannot take that away. But they have been not particularly close to winning a title outside of that one single run. I mean, we're talking the year. Steph got hurt while Clay was hurt. They weren't competitive. That's how they ended up with one of the top picks. obviously after winning the title they went back to the playoffs

but didn't end up making it past the Lakers in the second round who couldn't make it past the Nuggets and then this year they didn't make it back to the playoffs so it's not as if this team feels as though oh now without Clay maybe they can pull off one big mood and move and they're right immediately there you do draw into question

the larger scope of what type of contender can they truly build with Steph Curry as they've already agreed to pay Draymond Green and stuff, so they don't necessarily have... It is interesting they weren't willing to do this with Draymond Green.

Right? They weren't willing to do this with Draymond Green. And yeah, I understand. Dremont Green provides all those intangible things that you want, but the tangibles have slipped so far and you know, the constant

distraction of the suspensions, it's just interesting they weren't willing to do it with Raymond Green. You know, had they done this a year ago with Draymond and they moved on from Steph, obviously it would have been a lot uglier in terms of the feelings from Clay and the feelings from Draymond, but they would have been putting themselves in a better position to compete next year for a change. Fair point.

All right, let's turn our attention now over to the NFL. Dolphins currently trying to figure out Tuatunga Viloa's next contract, and well, you can add Tyree Kill to that list as well. When talking to reporter Aaron Wilson about the current Marks, for top tier wide receivers. Here's what he had to say. I'm very excited to be a part of the old wave, which was 30 million in terms of average annual value for a contract, and Justin Jefferson came in and surpassed that. So, very proud for those guys. Happy for my teammate Jalen Waddle, getting his new deal for guys like me. That's great. I'm 30 years old. I'm looking for a new

deal. So very, very exciting to see where I fit into that category. So Tyree Kill, who sort of set a new benchmark a few years ago, joining the Dolphins on a massive, massive deal when he got traded from the Chiefs, looking to cash back in and keep up with where the new wide receiver market is headed. Shouldn't surprise you, right? Shouldn't surprise you. Tyreek Hill was willing, or him and Drew Rosenhouse were willing to blow up their deal with the Kansas City Chiefs, you know, just to get more money, you know, and he's got, doesn't

he have a couple kids that were born same time, different women? There are some, I don't know if that's been confirmed by him or if it's just the social media sleuths connecting the dots on. Yes, it is reported that he has several kids with several different women that may or may not be within overlapping ages or very, very close. Yeah, life's going to get expensive. Really, really expensive. I'll say this.

Again, this kind of goes counter to what I said about Jason Taylor. Tyree Hill's the most dynamic playmaker. Yes. If you've been to it, obviously you've seen it on TV, but if you've been to it, you've been to an actual dolphin game, you're like, holy cow. You're not old enough, Ryan, to remember this, okay? There used to be, there was a game called Track and Field. I think it was it on 64 or was it on Super Nintendo.

In regular Nintendo, NES, right? And there was a time when you could buy a different joystick that was like a, it was like a box. And what it allowed you to do is hold down the turbo, right? Whereas otherwise you were doing the tap with two fingers. Right, right. To try and run and track and field and do all this other stuff. So it was like a cheat code where you could just hold down the turbine.

Hold down the turbine. He runs like you're holding down the turbo. It's a different speed than everybody else in the national football. And he's a really good route runner. He's got good hands and he's tough. Like he does all of these things. He is the complete package. The overall athleticism.

I mean, a lot of times people don't even necessarily realize when he goes up, and will win like jump balls against corners. He's not tall. I mean, I think he's like 5-11 maybe. Like his overall athleticism is just incredible. Right, like the worthy kid that was drafted by Kansas City, right? Fastest guy at the Combine, whatever. Like, he's got great speed.

He ain't Tyree killed him. Tyree killed at 5-10. Yeah, he's like 5-8-5-9. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. He's Steve Smith. Steve Smith is a route runner and competitor. Right?

he's got track, track speed. You know, he can hold on to the football, run the football. He's tough as well. Like, he's awesome. So my point is, again, you had to know if you're the dolphins that this was coming. Oh, yeah, by the way, he's way more valuable to you than Tua. And the hard part for Tua is, like, I'm the dolphins. And I know that all these Chris Greer and all these guys, we drafted him and we believed in him.

And he's gotten to a level. But this is his level. Like, he's got to be surrounded by guys. eyes to be to be a high level quarterback. He was a trailer, not a tractor. And I just, if I'm going to

draw a line in the sand, it's going to be with Tua. It's not going to be with Tariqa. And to your point about the comparison to Jason Tatum, Tyreek Hill, first team, all pro, wide receiver, back-to-back season since joining Miami. Just ridiculously,

ridiculously, productive. And we'll wrap up with sticking with the idea of a wide receiver, the Ravens, Lamar Jackson. He won MVP last season, but perhaps he could have another highly productive year with the rise of another top receiving target. Their 2021 first round pick,

Rashad Bateman hasn't quite lived up to what they've been hoping for, but they're all pro-tied-end. Mark Andrews says things are looking different. Quote, I think he looks incredible. Everything, his route running, catching the ball, being where he's supposed to be, he's finally getting it down to a science. I know he's worked really hard, and he looks like he's put everything together,

so it's going to be a big year for Rashad Bateman. I'm calling it now. So perhaps another receiving target for Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. In addition to Zay Flowers, their great wide receiver, young wide receiver, Mark Andrews, great receiving. And then, of course, they added Derek Henry in the backfield. No, they listen, they have all the weapons in the world. and you and I have discussed this at length.

I get it. Lamar Jackson is way better than anyone could have thought. If you watched him play his last bowl game against Mississippi State, and he said that's a future MVP in the NFL. Everyone would have said, like, no way. Two-time MVP. You say no way. But at some point, you got to start to win playoff.

I know he's won one on the road. I got it. You got to start to win playoff games. The Ravens are slight favorites in the AFC North. And then second best odds to win the entire AFC behind the Chiefs right now. So betting markets favoring the Ravens heading into next season.

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And by all estimation, people I talked to in Cleveland, that was like job number one. And it's just, it's very interesting how this is all kind of taking place, right? where you go back to when they lost LeBron James the first time, you know, it was,

there was a clear disconnect between ownership and LeBron. And yes, they had won, what was it, 61 games, and fired their head coach. So there was a certain, hey,

we'll do whatever it takes to get you, but it's different what, what Dan Gilbert is doing now. You know, when you've, I mean, you can say what you want about Jamie Bickerstaff, but what I was told was, you know, that going into the season, going in the season, Donovan Mitchell had told ownership he was too easy on those guys in preseason the year before. He thought he was too soft with them. So they had a grueling preseason camp, even though that was a playoff team and they want to be fresh and rested and not grind them.

but at Donovan Mitchell's bidding, they grind them more in camp, which is not J.B. Bickerstadt style, but he was told to do so. Things he did were all to acquiesce on some level to Donovan Mitchell. And oh, yeah, by the way, despite the fact they struggled on the road in the playoffs, they were given the Celtics everything the Celtics could handle until it was Donovan Mitchell, who got hurt. and then when the season's over Gilbert fires J.B. Bicker staff, which most people believe was because Mitchell didn't want to play for him anymore.

And he flies to, I think he was in London at the time, to face to face with him, in order to ask him what he wanted to be done so they could get him back and they've accomplished that task. The point is, it's not in how the deal is actually done and how they got him back. I think the point is learning from the past with LeBron James. Again, LeBron's a completely different sort of entity, right? Because he was from the area, but there's so many layers you have to get through to get through to him. And at that point in time in his life, like it was really complicated with LeBron. But still, if you want to go see him and you own his rights, you go see him.

You go face to face. You don't leave anything to chance. And the cabs did not leave anything to chance and they didn't lose him. because it's really, really hard in those small markets to get players like that and to keep them. To keep them. To keep them.

Nonetheless, I mean, the calves are interesting, but they're the least interesting of those top four teams, really, in the east, not counting Miami, and we'll see what Miami does moving forward anyway, as they're kind of just sitting out there stuck. What do they do with Jimmy Butler? Weird, end of season. press conference from

from Pat Riley kind of laying down the law what Jimmy should and Jimmy should not do. So, well, let me ask you guys something. This was brought to my attention

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and of course we have an hour podcast which we drop on the back end of it. Whenever you want to download podcast, just type in Doug Gottlieb. But, I've had this suggested to me that by Jason Stewart, my producer, and music, you and Tui,

you guys can slosh this thing around. You have any issue with Shohei being in the home run derby? Not because it screws up his swing, but because, you know, he's not able to play the field because of his second Tommy John surgery should be have him doing the volume of reps. Now, for me, it's the players play basically home run derby

during their second and third rounds of batting practice anyway. So it's just extended home run derby that they do every day anyway. But if you're the Dodgers and you got $700 million invested in him, do you want that wear and tear that he has for swinging a bat?

And you're not, you're swinging for the fences. I'm not talking at all about screwing up his swing. I'm talking more about the wear and tear element to it. I mean, I think if he wants to, absolutely I mean the team can think what they want but if he wants to do it most guys don't want to do it

because of what you just said but I think if he wants to baseball needs to I mean he should be out there um yeah I look baseball needs him out there needs him he is the number one

uh name superstar internationally for a sport he's got without any question the biggest contract in the history of American in professional sports. Like, he needs to be there. This is like the Aaron Rogers needs to be at, at all different camps,

just even to make an appearance, even with a ball cap on, just act like it. He needs to be there. Same thing for Shohei Otani for the sport. But music, do you have any issue in participation considering, you know, it's a second surgery? Yeah, I would. I would, for sure, especially from the perspective of, like, the Dodgers and running the team is I would push back on that as like, hey, we understand this may be something you're, that's important to you that you may want to do, but maybe this is something we can do down the line.

Obviously, we have so much invested in you. We think you are the future. And we know that as a part of our discussions, I mean, a part of reportedly the details about him negotiating with teams to sign a deal was he very much still wanted to be a two-way player. So I think laying all that out and just saying, you know, we don't think it's in your best interest personally and in the best interests of the team for you to be out there participating in this event. Hopefully we can get you back on track, get you pitching again, and then we can reevaluate if it makes sense for you going forward. Yeah, it's nuts the fact that he's this good, despite the fact that he's had a second surgery on that arm, on that elbow. I mean, it's just, it's nuts how good he is.

Yeah. I mean, what a baseball player. Maybe more nuts is how little people care. No, I'm serious. And this is, this to me is the real curse of the steroid era, right? Because the numbers were Aaron Judge has 31 home runs. So he's on track to surpass even his own mark. and we have to do this

we have to do this song in a dance where he call him the American League home run kick like no he's not we don't consider Ben Johnson's world record to be a world record once he was found of used steroids why do we consider Barry Bond's numbers to be valid doesn't make any sense

if you get caught cheating on a test that test score is not valid and they don't go like oh well we'll just you know I'm just put in the record book you get a 1600 in your SAT you get caught cheating in your SAT. That's not a valid

test, right? And if we were just going to do performance dancing drugs, like okay, so Ben Johnson sets the world record then is stripped of the gold medal because he's found to test positive. And we could sit here and say that Barry Bonds never tested positive. That's actually

not hard to do. If you actually really wanted to clear his name, he could give us, give access to his physical. He took every year before he played. You had to have physical because your contract has to be insured. We'd never do it because he knows what it would what it would show. Even he has admitted to using steroids.

He just said, I didn't know he leaves steroids, which is, come on. The point is that Shohei Otani had 26 home runs. He and Gunner Henderson and obviously Aaron Judge, like, nobody's paying any attention to that. There's no home run watch. And two of a year closer, you're still younger than me, but I was in college during the home run chase. And, you know, we both everyone, especially athletes, we knew like those guys were, those guys were juice heads. But it was a big thing. We'll get to why Clayton choose the Lakers next in the herd.

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