The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Jimmy Johnson joins The Herd

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

Colin gives you his 5 most interesting QBs in the NFL heading into the season. He talks to Hall of Famer Jimmy Johnson about the Cowboys and the various contract issues they are facing with CeeDee Lamb's hold out and Dak Prescott's comments about getting a new dealSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All these rookie quarterbacks have at least had one series or two where you're like pretty good. So that's exciting. Now, the 2020 draft, two a hit, Burrow hit, Herbert hit, Jordan Love eventually hit, Jaylon Hertz second round. Five guys hit in the 2020 draft. Everybody knows about the Elway Marino Jim Kelly draft years ago. Then there was the Big Ben, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers draft. The 2020 draft right now got five hits.

Five guys got a second contract. So this, it's very encouraging. It's very encouraging. Nobody's looked overwhelmed, and Drake's May is not working with much in New England. But I was thinking this morning, there's five quarterbacks in this league stories that I'm really, really interested in. Just as a consumer, I'm a fan now. Number one, my five most interesting quarterbacks, the Caleb Williams thing is fascinating. He's polarizing.

The Bears have a coach on the hot seat. The Bears are the only NFL franchise that's never had a 4,000-yard passer. They've done defense well a lot of years. Could this kid be their Jordan? Could he be a guy that literally changes the franchise? He is really talented. I don't know the answer. I think he's going to be productive.

I don't know if he wins a lot of games this year. The schedule is pretty tough. The Packers, Lions, Vikings, all capable. This kid will get me to the one o'clock window on Fox. Second is Aaron Rogers. This season could help kind of cement his career. We know he's talented. it. But a little prickly, calling out his coach occasionally. Don't love that. Mr. Little OTA,

in Egypt, don't love it, not the end of the world. Robert Sala, Nat Hackett on the hot seat. There's a lot of combustible stuff going on. I'm crossing my fingers. He stays upright. They're rebuilding the offensive line with potentially a rookie, getting big snaps. Can Elijah Vera Tucker stay healthy? He needs protection. Erron's it too. Listen, I'd put Patrick Mahomes going to try to do something, Tom Brady, Montana couldn't do. Win a third straight Super Bowl. It's been a very noisy off season. I still think their wide receiver group is a bunch of question marks and not a lot of answers, but if anybody can do it, it's him? Can he become the first ever back to back to back Super Bowl winning quarterback? Certainly got the talent. Number four, Justin Herbert.

Don't have a playoff win, but damn he's good. Now he finally gets an elite coach. He's out of a walking boot reportedly this morning. He's ready to roll. They don't have much at wide receiver. They're hoping that kid out of Georgia's second rounder can work. He's one of these kids. He was sensational as a rookie at Shane Steichen, and we're just kind of waiting for him to pop. He's the last young quarterback that we all think is good, and we're waiting for stuff beyond stats. He'd be number four. And number five, the Mercurial Russell Wilson. I don't know what to make of it. He literally was so good in Seattle. He got guys like Johnny Mansell, Baker Mayfield, drafted and I don't know what's happened to his career. He got teammates calling him out.

John Peyton and Pete Carroll dumped him. It's a weird career, but I'm really excited to watch it. Now, there is an honorable mention. I bang the table in the morning meeting to get him in the top five, the staff. I get no support at all from the staff. I think Sam Darnold is fascinating on his fourth team trying to resurrect his career. But the staff, would not, the staff would not allow me to put him in the top five. I'm rooting for Sammy. I thought he was going to be a star.

What do I know? Here's somebody that does know stuff. Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famers, Super Bowl rings, college national championships. You know, as I do that list, the Aaron thing is fascinating. So he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Nobody doubts that. He's smart. But I got to tell, every time

he's on in front of the microphone, it's like he's just poking people. He's poking the GM. He's poking the media. It's a little exhausting as a consumer of it. Would it drive you nuts as a coach that he just doesn't walk up there, say vanilla stuff like Eli Manning and go sit down? What do you make of it? No, I like it.

I'm interested in what he has to say. And you probably would like it as well if he'd go to USC. But since he didn't go to USC, you're criticizing. Yeah, those Cal guys. I got no time for Cal Corny. I want to talk a little bit about you and Jerry are finally back to a good space. But Jimmy, I don't love the way he handles these stars. To me, if you draft a guy in the first round and he hits and he's at a valuable position,

just get the contract done. Get it out of the news cycle. I feel like Jerry's trying to get. squeeze extra juice out of it to get free publicity. I don't like it. Just sign CD Lamb. What do you make of the way they handle it? Well, he's really in a bind.

Jerry's in a bind with these contracts. He's got three players that want to be the highest pay player at their position. And, you know, he made a mistake by not resigning them earlier than what he's been doing right now. The other thing is he's got the quarterback. situation with that Prescott. And I think the entire league's got a problem here because if you don't have a quality quarterback, you're not going to win. Right.

Everybody understands that. But the only thing is good quarterbacks are demanding great money. Yes. And they're not great quarterbacks. They're not great players. But because their contract is up, they're going to be the highest paid player at that position. And this is kind of escalated here for the last couple of years because everybody,

Every owner is desperate, and they understand they've got to have a quarterback. They've got to have a quality quarterback. And the quarterback money is taking too big a piece of the pie as far as the salary cap. So the NFL changed rules through your career. They're constantly tweaking. They have a new kickoff. Now, it looks weird. They should probably just take the UFL version, but they probably have too much ego and pride to just steal theirs.

It's probably better off. I'm watching it, and I'm like, well, why not just? just kick it out of the end zone. I don't want anybody hurt. And I'm not, I don't want to, what's the point? So I don't think it.

No, I love it. You like it? Yeah, I do love it because before it was a non-play, just kick it out of the end zone and then put the ball, you know, there's the line of scrimmage and go about your business. But I think there's some strategy involved now.

If you want to play field position, you kick the ball to about the 10. If you've got a good coverage unit, and they don't have an outstanding. returning returner, you know, you're going to get good field position. They'll gladly get a penalty on that same return and really back them up. Now, if you're protecting a lead or you're afraid of their return man or you don't have a good coverage unit, you kick it out of the back of the end zone. You know, they're toward the end of the game. If you've got the lead and you want to just

win the game, just kick it out of the end zone, give them the ball on the 30, no problem. But if you're fighting for field position, kick it to the 10 cover, and then that way you're going to get better field position. Yeah. The, you know, it's different today, Jimmy. These kids that come into the NFL at quarterback, seven-on-seven camps, coaching's better in high school and college. I want to see them play.

I'm a little less likely to sit them, although I think Drake May probably needs to. But do you think in your time it was different? Some guys had started two, three years in college. They didn't have camps. They didn't have 10,000 throws. If you were coaching in the NFL today, would you be more demanding? demanding on your rookie quarterbacks. Yeah, well, of course, I was demanding from day one.

I put Aitman in there and he got sacked nine times by Philadelphia and nearly got killed. But anyway, I think because of the salary camp and because the quarterbacks are better prepared, you know, coming into professional football, they're more ready to play. You look at Caleb Williams. I mean, he's lightning. Of course, he was an outstanding player right off the bat. you know, I love watching him play. He's ready to go out there and win games.

And I think he will win games because they've got a pretty good defense, a decent football team. You look at Daniels. I think he is a tremendous athlete, and I'm anxious to see him play, but I don't know how good a football team they've got. But you're right. Quarterbacks, you know, rookies now, they don't sit. If they're good enough, put them out there and let them play.

So did you, you made Troy Aitman play, but did you unveil the playbook in stages, or did you treat him like he'd been in the league 12 years? Please, I had only been in the league for two years. I would just learn the playbook myself. It was a matter of me and Troy kind of grew up together. Yeah, no, I get that. So when you, so here we go into this season. The season is now longer. There's speculation. It's going to be an 18-game season.

So, you know, it's funny. Belichick, nobody now plays starters in the preseason. Once McVeigh didn't, people have bailed. I look at September football, and I don't know what I'm seeing. Are you comfortable with the current trend of just not playing starters, especially older guys in the preseason and just doing harder practices? They're getting their physical work with some of the scrimmages they have. against some teams but I did a study back a few years ago we were looking at all

the injuries that happened early in the season and you know I did a poll with about three-fourths of the trainers in the league and every trainer through a person said because they don't have a lot of physical work in the training camp in the early part that's why they're seeing so many injuries a lot of soft tissue injuries etc you know you've got to have full speed physical work, especially for your offensive line to kind of get into coordination. And also, you know, players got to be able to take a hit. They've got to know how to fall.

They know how to be in a pile up. You know, they need physical work to prevent some of these injuries. But that's one reason you see so many injuries in the early part of the season. Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer, one of the things that's happened over the last 10 years is the rules have pivoted significantly to the offenses. favor. It's just easier as an offensive coach. Can't grab corners. There's just play. It's just, it's hard. As a defensive coach, you feel like you're almost working against the system. Everything's built for Andy Reed, right? And McVeigh and all right. So, and I look at that and I think we also have something

going on. We know that receivers are more valuable now, but it does feel Jimmy a little bit like a wide receiver economic bubble is there is no proof that's Superstar number one receivers win trophies. There is proof that a deep receiving core does. I'm seeing some of these salaries. I like Brandon Ayyuk. I love Trent Williams, the left tackle. That's who I love.

What do you make of some of these salaries? I'm not saying they're not great players, but I need a quarterback of left tackle and an edge rusher. What do you make of the quarterback, the receiver market has exploded in the last three years? Yeah, I agree with you, you know, for the most part, you know, Colin, I think, you know, by far the quarterback's most important player on your team and then make the backup quarterback right after that. But then, but your offensive line, you've mentioned Trent William, but I think having a solid offensive line, and don't overlook this, an offensive line coach. So sometimes an offensive line coach can take pretty good players and make them a solid unit. So the offensive line, coach, the offensive line, the quarterbacks, and then you can find receivers.

Now, obviously, everybody's not going to be Tyreek Hill, but there's some quality receivers out there, and you find them, there's a lot of them coming out of college. But that's some of the most important parts of your football team, and you can win, and that way to have a solid defense. You can win a lot of games with that quarterback and a group of receivers and a solid offensive line. Finally, you were not on the hot seat much as a coach. I think Matt Eber Fluse is going to feel it in September. I think Mike McCarthy is.

Our friend Dave Wonstat always says, you can lose games. You lose three in a row. You lose a locker room. And so my take is get C.D. Lamb into camp here because this offense, it doesn't have a lot of juice after C.D. You tell me for an Eber Fluss or McCarthy, and those, Dennis Allen, could you sense, and again, you weren't on the hot seat much, but does the temperature in the locker room change when you go into a two-game losing street?

Could you sense it as a coach? Yeah, I think so. I was on the hot seat after I won two Super Bowls. So it's a little bit different now. As far as McCarthy, I think this, you're in the last year of your contract, win big, and you're going to get a huge contract. Right. Then you have all the leverage.

You know, so, you know, people say, well, he's under pressure. Well, hey, every coach is under pressure. Every year, every coach in the league. But it doesn't bother me being in the last year of the contract because you've got to win regardless what the contract is. You haven't paid plenty of money. You've got plenty of money in the bank. But win big and you will demand a huge, huge contract.

Yeah. Is there a single team? we all know who's good in this league. I love Detroit's roster. I love their front office. I've always thought golf is underrated. Best O-line in the sport. But you know, Jimmy, it is hard to break through.

A losing culture, you start, you know, you go in a losing street. You have, you know, the Rams are getting to Super Bowls now, Kansas City. They think they're going to win in close games. Detroit fascinates me. When you were losing in Dallas early, how do you break that? cycle because you took over a cowboy team that was losing with coach landry you lost early how do you break that cycle before you've broken through and won a trophy the same way dan campbell's doing it uh there in detroit work and being a physical football team uh that's what breaks it because

if you work them hard enough they get to believe in that they're going to win so they that That instills the confidence that they're going to win. So hard work and being a physical football team. If you're not a physical football team, you're not real sure if you're going to win or not. You've got to get some lucky breaks. But if you're a physical football team, you go into the contest saying, hey, we're fixing to kick their rear end.

Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. All right, you already got, already did your fishing, so I don't feel as guilty. You'll be back on the boat on Monday. You look great as always, coach. It's great having you. Thank you. All right, Colin, enjoyed it.

All right. Hall of Famer, Fox Sports legend, Jimmy Johnson. You know, that is a great point. It doesn't matter if it's UFC or football. If you're a physical team and believe you can physically overpower another man, that's your confidence. If you're a tricky, finesse, clever, you still know you can get punched in the mouth. It all starts with physicality. We can out-wrestle them.

I'll dictate the wrestling match. And that's what Detroit has up front. They'll win their all lines better than your deal. line and we're going to win that matchup. That's a great point. That physicality, it can be maybe not in golf, but maybe it is off the T. But the physicality is where the confidence comes from. I can outrassel you.

I can pin you. I can push you around. That's where it all starts. And that's, I think, why we have had some good fortunes with gambling, because we look at offensive lines. When you see the Dolphins offensive line, right now in the preseason, look at the Dolphins offensive line. Disaster.

This arm's said situation's not good. And it's like people think all this. Oh, we got Tyree Kill and Waddle. They're going to be good. Just be careful. The offensive line is everything. You can't win a World Series with a bad back end. You can't have a bad bullpen.

That's the Yankees' biggest issue. And you cannot win a Super Bowl with a terrible O-Ly. I don't think you can get to a Super Bowl with a terrible. Well, Cincinnati did. But Mahomes has only been embarrassed once in his career. He was missing both tackles. He had all the other players. You cannot win a Super Bowl with the bad ones.

And the Bengals, when they got to the Super Bowl, I'm almost certain that the Chiefs won the coin toss in overtime and had the ball first. And that was before the new rule. So Chiefs should have just gone down and scored. Mahomes threw the deep ball that was picked. So they probably, Bengals should not have even been there. Good fortune by the Bengals. You're taking something away from Cincinnati?

Why don't we give Cincinnati love, not take away. I've given Cincinnati a lot of love. Just not on that particular topic. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the I-Hard Radio app. Search Herd to live. Listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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People couldn't tell if they were arguing or upset. Well, this duo has the potential to be one of the best in the NFL regardless of what happens in late July, early August. Here's Wilson with some high praise for his quarterback. For me, it feels like pure football.

I don't know. I feel like I said this one time before. It feels like I'm a kid again. I can kind of believe what I see. It's the best way to put it from me. It's always been a thinking game when you play receiver, and there's these adjustments within plays, within routes. And based on the quarterback, you know, you can either do them or you can't.

But with Aaron, you know, everything's. You can do it, right? And that's how football should be played when you can do it. He's a good one. Very good one. Cross your fingers on his health. Oh. Well, what was that?

Where's the love for Carol Wilson? I think he's really good. That's it? Really good. Very good player. Very good player. No, no, no, no. Come on. 13th, 3rd, 4th. You don't have him in top 10?

No. I think he's close to like 7, 8. Okay, well. I mean, listen, he had no quarterback last year and put up monster numbers. He was the only target. So part of that's just that. Devante Adams was the only target with the Raiders. Garrett Wilson had a better season.

Well, Devante Adams is top three or four. By the way Are you sure about that? Garrett Wilson, when I say top 12 or 13, you got Olave, you got a lot of these young guys. Olave is better than Wilson? Rand and I, they're all great.

You're asking me to separate inches. They're all excellent. That's what we do is experts. I'm not an expert. You have to separate. We need lists. It's what the people crave. Give them what they want, Goward.

They get enough lists. Scale back on the list. Fewer lists. Okay, you heard that one. Next up. Oh, boy. Kansas City Chiefs. Everybody loves them, but guess what?

Andy Reid wanted to play his guys, and Hollywood Brown got hurt on the first play of last week's preseason game. Now, the shoulder injury isn't serious. He could maybe still play in week one. I'm going to go ahead and guess he will not. Here's Patrick Mahomes addressing the veteran's injury of what it means to the team. I guess we're lucky that it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I know he's in good spirits. He's doing well.

Obviously, we lose a little bit of that veteran type receiver in that room. I mean, we have other guys that can kind of replace a little bit, but to have that much talent. I have a good understanding of what I won. But he's in the room. I think that's what's awesome. He's talking to those guys and everything like that. And so hopefully we're getting them back sooner rather than later.

But we've got to keep pushing those young guys to keep getting better and better every day. Yeah, they'll be fine. You know, not that I'm rooting against him because I always root for Andy Reed. I like Kansas City a lot. But if I said to you, what's the best story that wins? What's the best story for us? As broadcasters winning the Super Bowl,

because I'm going to throw one at you. Green Bay Packers. Jordan Love replaces Aaron Rogers. He stumbles around. I mean, I don't think they're going to make the playoffs, maybe. And literally, rising from the ashes. Oh, what ashes? They were in, like, the playoffs last year.

Beats McVeigh, Shanahan, the line. Green Bay Packers with all super young. And also, not only do they win, but we ask ourselves, they're not paying anybody outside of Jordan Love. Could we have a dynasty here? We love dynasties. I'm going to call it 20-second timeout. Are you saying best for this show or this network or sports media? I'm saying best for the league.

For the league. One of the youngest teams, it's got a Seahawks feel to it. You have this young quarterback, this successful coach, without a team. Super Bowl. Pete Carroll-Lafluor, pre-Super Bowl, this young quarterback that had doubters. And Russell Wilson, why do you have to transfer in college? Too small. Jordan Love sat for three years, Utah State. And that young Seahawk team goes in and blasts Denver, and they go in and blast Kansas City or Cincinnati, and we're like, we have ourselves a dynasty. Green Bay winning is really good for the league.

If you have an Aaron Rogers Jordan Love component, do we have a dynasty component, you have the next superstar quarterback component. That's a great, and by the way, great brand. How many pieces of gum did you pop during that commercial break? I mean, that is, Colin, listen, I like the green where you're going, but that's the wrong shade of green. The better story is Aaron Rogers and the Jets. No playoffs, longest drought in pro sports. And if they were to go up and win the Super Bowl, that is the best story. She's going for the three Pete, I think is.

A dysfunctional New York. team winning. Yeah, and Rogers pulls them out of it. How about a functional small town America team winning? Didn't you do a segment earlier about how the NBA has LeBron and Curry all over TV? The public likes known quantities.

They love their... Orrin Rogers is so polarizing. The NFL doesn't need that. Baseball needs the Dodgers Yankees in the World Series. College football, Ohio State, in the Natty. That's good news for everybody. NFL Jacksonville got to an AFC championship And the ratings were here

I think Jets and Rogers would pull a more interest Than Jordan Love and the Packers I mean Rogers is polarizing That's what you want, right? Jordan Love is easy to root for it. You're all in on this team That team I think it's time to start fading the Packers

Based on your lust for them I thought you were Jared Gough is going to be like I'm breaking up with you coward You're too much love for Jordan Love Also So, Detroit probably wins the division because of their O-line. So Green Bay has to go through the wild card. They have to go on the road.

That's such an easy story to put your arms around. All right, so what are your other ones? So it's Chiefs and Packers. Those are the two best stories. No, I'm just saying the Packers winning the Super Bowl gives us like seven stories. I mean, literally, do we have a dynasty? Seven? Jordan loves the next superstar.

They were better without it. Can I give you seven quick ones off the top of my head? Dallas Cowboys, obviously. Boring. Boring. They haven't been to the conference championship in 25 years. 30 years. Let's count teams that have a realistic chance.

Packers have been to the Super Bowl with Farvin Rogers. No, stop. The Detroit Lions? I mean, that would be an amazing story. That's good. That's good. Number two. Lions will be.

Number two. 49ers, Kyle Sheehanhan finally breaking through. That's always a bride made, never the bride. That's three. That's three. New York Jets, obviously. Josh Allen finally breaking through Has a big of the Super Bowl?

That's good. After moving off digs? All behind Green Bay, but good call. I can't, I can't. I'm tried. I tried audience. The audience is that convinced him out of the Packers.

I tried. Final story, Colin, is big return tonight. For Daniel Jones, he is playing in his first game since suffering the torn ACL in week nine last year. Giants take on the Texans.

Sorry, that's tomorrow night. Tomorrow night, Giants, Texans. and the embattled QB spoke about his mindset in his return to feed. I don't think I'll be thinking about my knee much. I think I've tested it. You know, I've tested it in practice, tested it in my rehab and workouts and feel like it's in a good place. So, yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I'm confident my knee would be ready to go.

It won't be something I'm thinking about much. So remember when Andy Dalton had some early success, and everybody was like, Cincinnati? He got to the playoffs at once. And then, just to get a little edgier, spiked his hair a little bit, had a goatee. That did not happen.

That happened. Remember when Tiger did the goatee when he got into trouble? Tiger, Andy Dalton, did a goatee? Did you notice Daniel Jones? He was this like, nice Duke kid. Look at him now. Facial hair, a little chip on his shoulder, swears occasionally, if you read the comments.

Chip on his shoulder or boulder on his shoulder? I'm just saying, Daniel's gotten a lot of, crap. He's won a playoff game. I'm just saying. Andy Dalton got a lot of crap, the red rifle. And he heard people like rolling their eyes. Andrew came in with a little gel in the hair and a little goatee, little edge to get more respect.

Daniel Jones, that is not my coincidence. He's got a little anger. The last couple times I've heard him talk, he got a little chip on his shoulder. Now he's tired of getting beat up by everybody. He watched that HBO Max in the front office is trying to move up and get him another quarterback. He's pissed. I kind of like this, Daniel Jones.

You know how ticked I'd be if you were openly championing, bringing in some other replacement for you? How do you know I'm not? I keep going to lunches right after the show. I'm almost certain you're not, given how well the show's doing. But let me ask, where is Daniel Jones a backup quarterback next season? Because we know he's not going to be starting for the Giants. I think people have just dumped on this guy so long.

and there's nobody that likes it, even his own team on HBO Max. That was brutal. That was way... She's been brutal. Well, he'd been hurt. The resurrection of Daniel Jones. Rising from the ashes.

Daniel Jones. Vanilla Vic. I just have a feeling that we have just crapped on this kid and it wears on you. That stuff does. Social media, he's like a meme. And I think he's going to be...

Just delete the app from your phone, Daniel. Just get off TikTok, get off Twitter, all that stuff. I can't stop loving TikTok. I got my comedians I go to every day. So you should do me, during the commercial break, look at your phone and see how long you were on TikTok yesterday. You could do that, you know? I'm just curious, you think it's over an hour? I have probably 15 minutes.

Oh, that's not bad at all. No, no, I put the phone down. I do not take the phone to dinner. I do not. Impressive, Cowherd. By the way, this makes me, I was at the gym yesterday. Okay. As a man, I'm just going to speak.

demand. If you can't go 45 minutes not in your phone, don't go to the club. Just sit home on your couch. It's embarrassing. How many guys take their phone working out with them? Vanity searches, what are people saying about

me? Some of us take video of our workouts and post them online. Good thing you don't follow me on IG. I occasionally toss that in there. The people love it. The people. Yeah, not your bosses. I don't think. They care.

This is not a Will Levis situation. You go lift weights. It's 50 minutes. Let me stop your phones. But if you go to the gym and you don't document it, did you really go to the gym? Oh, God. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. This is yesterday, I'm just like, is everybody in the gym on their phone? Can you just do... I'm throwing... I'm throwing letters. around. I mean, I'm throwing iron all over the gym. Or I want to go sit down on something

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The NFL preseason kicks off on Fox, as the Saints take on Brock Purdy and the Niners. And all again Sunday at 8 p.m. Eastern on Fox, the home of Super Bowl 59. Very exciting. Clarence Hill covers the Cowboys going to be in studio last hour. So we're going to have everything. There's been these reports that the crowds have been down at Cowboys Camp. Well, they didn't make any big splashy hires in their draft. It was a lot of offensive linemen.

And it wasn't, it was okay. Before we get, this just came down, Diana Rusini saying that Bo Nix, Bo Nix is tearing it up at Broncos camp. Just had a dagger on 3rd and 10 to Cortland Sutton. Bo Nix's arm strength and his mobility is way better than people think. I don't know why this is, but the guy is cut if you're with him in person. He's an athlete.

He's ripped. and I think he throws a much better ball than people think. This idea that he's small. Now, I don't think he throws a great deep ball, but watch him move. Watch him move out of the pocket. Dude can move, and he's got an arm. And there was that throw against the Colts down on the goal line. And, you know, you think that's just an easy throw.

If it was, Justin Fields would still be in Chicago. These are hard, quick throws. I think the guy's got a better arm and moves better than people think, and he is tearing it up. this is my best future bet in the NFL. Denver over under's five and a half wins. I don't buy it. I think their personnel is 8.9.

I think the Chargers are going to struggle to score points at times. That'll give Denver a fighting chance. They'll beat the Raiders twice. Kansas City's not a high-powered offense with this receiving core mess. So Kansas City keeps you in games. They're not the Kansas City of four years ago. So I think they're going to win some division games and apparently Bo Nix today, crushing it. So this is interesting.

Not all change is good, but I like change, especially when something's broken. So baseball went to the pitch clock. It worked. It makes the game faster. One of the issues the sport has, it's a really boring trend, is that starting pitchers don't go many innings and bullpens dominate the product. It's boring. and starting pitchers used to be off in the face of the sport. Like now they're like ancillary, bullpen guys.

So they're thinking about creating a six-inning minimum for starting pitchers. So now, there are exceptions, and there should be, if he's already got 100 pitches, if he's given up four or more earned runs, you know, he's getting shelled. Okay, or he's pitched the 100 pitches. Or there's an injury. But listen. Bullpen's dominating is bad for the sport. And I do think analytics has hurt baseball.

Turns out watching math isn't that fun. Right? Players need to be stars, not the formula. We don't need to talk about exit, V-Lo, and launch angle. Baseball was always nerdy enough. Like, can we stop? And I think we want our athletes to be rock stars. Let them be rock stars.

I mean, Nike came out with a new ad campaign recently. I loved it. It's bold. It's gritty. It's alpha. It's you're a loser. We're winners. I loved it.

No politics. Not leaning into everybody gets a ribbon. No, there's winners and losers. And that's why sports has standings. I remember this with Caitlin Clark. The media too often is protective when they don't need to be. So Caitlin Clark comes into the WNBA and the games are chippy. And I'm like, yeah, basketball is chippy.

Women's and men's. Stop protecting women's basketball players. You go, girl. Throw a punch. Do what you got to do. That's AAU. It's college. It's pro.

It's WNBA. It's European. Basketball's chippy. Go to the YMCA. Guys get in fights. Like, you go. Angel Reese. You got to push somebody?

Go for it. Stop coddling and babying. And so the same in baseball now. It's very precious. The pitcher can't throw this many innings. It's not high school. If a guy's six, three and a half, two 45, Paul Skeens, let him go. By the way, they keep limiting pitching, pitchers, starting pitchers.

Is it me or there are more injuries than ever? Everybody's always hurt. Everybody's always on the IR. Just let guys pitch. So, I like this. I mean, the cigarettes that baseball players used to smoke last longer than their outings now. Let guys pitch. Let them go.

You know, the guys that I really love are Adam Wainwright, Justin Burlander. They're beginning guys in their prime. And they've lasted forever. They lasted forever. Let Paul Skeins go eight every time. So I like it. So we had Jimmy Johnson earlier. We talked about, and Clarence Hills coming last hour, and we're going to sit down and talk about all these cowboy issues.

I am not a fan of pushing. If you know you like something, just pay for it. It's not going to get cheaper over time. You can, you know, it's like if you like a house, buy it. Don't wait for the perfect interest rate. If you can afford it, buy it. Because either somebody else is going to buy it. the interest rate might not come down.

You can always refinance a home. But there's only so many great school districts, in big cities especially, there's only so many great school districts and so much beachfront property. If you like it, buy it. You can readjust, you know, you can always refinance as many times you have to. So I don't like the whole CD-Lamp thing. You like him? He's great.

Sign him. Let's go. Let's get it done. Get him in camp. And Jimmy Johnson talked about that earlier. He's really in a bind. You know, Jerry's in a fine with these contracts. He's got three players that want to be the highest pay player at their position.

The other thing is he's got the quarterback situation with that Prescott. And I think the entire league's got a problem here because if you don't have a quality quarterback, you're not going to win. Everybody understands that. But the only thing is good quarterbacks are demanding great money. And they're not great quarterbacks. And this is kind of escalated here for the last couple of. of years because every owner is desperate and they understand they've got to have a

quarterback they've got to have a quality quarterback and the quarterback money is taking too big a piece of the pie as far as the salary cap that's why i will defend the packers drafting quarterbacks or the Atlanta falcons taking two the reason the steelers are the steelers because they were afraid of offending big ben and drafting a quarterback he didn't even like mason rudolph as a threat. Mason Rudolph was never going to be the next big Ben or Bradshaw. He's fine. Okay. So it's like just draft quarterbacks and

you know like it may offend Dak. Okay. All right. Dax. He's growing up. He can handle it. So I think when you never forget this. Last year seven teams, seven teams were almost unwatchable offensively. They could have used Michael Pennix

or Kirk Cousins or both. So I do think Jimmy touched on it. I think Dallas is in a weird spot where they, I mean, they will not be, I think they're a bottom five scoring team without CD Lamb. You've got to get them in. They can still generate somewhat of a pass rush without Micah. They can't score without CD.

They're running back room. They're still kind of choppy on the O line. Tight end, they're good. I don't think they're special. They've got to have CD Lamb in. You got to just pay them and you drafted it. In terms of Mike McCarthy, another reason to have CD Lamb, Mike McCarthy's on the hot seat. You can lose games.

You lose three. three in a row. Go look at Dallas's early schedule. Five road games, first eight weeks. That's not losing games. You could lose the locker room. And Jimmy talked about Mike being on the hot seat. As far as McCarthy, I think this, you're in the last year of your contract. When big, and you're going to get a huge contract. Then you have all the leverage.

So, you know, people say, well, he's under pressure. Well, hey, every coach is under pressure. Every year. coach in the league. It doesn't bother me being in the last year of the contract because you've got to win regardless what the contract is. You haven't paid plenty of money. You got plenty of money in the back. But win big

and you will demand a huge huge contract. Here are the coaches and there's very few that are on no hot seat. Like the most secure coaches, Andy Reed 1, McVeigh, 2, Matt LaFleur 3. Shanahan.

Shanahan has to win playoff game or two. By the way, McCarthy won 12 games each of the last three years and he's on the hot seat. That's just insane. Well, he's had some real snafus late in games. Situational stuff. Andy Reid got run out of Philly because of that.

It wasn't because he couldn't coach. Because he's a decade, I think, longer. Andy Reed won, total security. Sean McVeigh, he can draft who he wants. Jim Harbaugh. Well, all the first year guys, that doesn't count. Okay.

But there's, I'll say this again. I think Nick Sariani's seat is hotter than McCarthy. Because his quarterback, we're reading from reports, I'm not sure he trusts the coach. Dak and McCarthy seem to get along fine, from what I can tell. Clarence Hill will know the truth. But I think Dak and McCarthy, they get along fine. There's reports that Jalen Hertz is not down with Nick Seriani at all.

That's a hot seat because they're not firing the quarterback. That's not happening. I think John Harbaugh is pretty secure. Yeah, he is. How long is McCarthy unemployed after the Cowboys fire him? Because I think he's definitely got to get a job like instantly. He won 12 games the last three years. A little old school.

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