The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Joe Klatt stops by

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. sports radio welcome in hour two and a Wednesday Joel clatt five minutes live in Los Angeles it's the hurt wherever you may be however you may be listening thanks for making us part of your day I'm letting my hair grow a little longer these days I'm not sure what's going on but I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna cut it I think

tomorrow it's getting a little shaggy out there but I like how it feels last night by the way temperatures cooled I sat there was sat on my deck Cigar? Half a cigar. Oh, geez, you're addicted. One cocktail cigar sat up there for two hours. Just looking at Southern California, how beautiful it was. I went back to an old vice, Colin.

I hate to report this. What did you do? Had a cup of coffee this morning. First time in four months. Wow. I'm not sleeping well. A lot going on up here. A lot happening with the gambling.

There's just a lot of good things happening in life right now. Yeah. And I just, I'm excited. I'm fired up. And so you can't sleep. Right. So you're a little groggy this morning. Yes. Well, it's Wednesday.

Forgive me. You can be groggy on Wednesday. It's Tuesday. Was it Tuesday? No, it's Wednesday. You got to be ready on Saturday. That's all I know. Jerry Jones was on his local radio hit, and he was talking about Mike McCarthy.

McCarthy keeps winning 12 games and then struggling in January, February, all that stuff. Here's Jerry Jones this week talking about it. The NFL. is one that you can lose several games. And if you're playing well at the end of the year, you can win the Super Bowl. That's just what we've got. If we've got any arbitrosse around our neck, is that we've been a good, good to very good team during the season

over the last four or five years with Mike on the playoff. Trade some challenges during the season for doing well in the playoff, if you want to look at it that one. Well, except there's one big difference. Jerry is making that sound incidental. Well, I mean, we're really good here, and we're pretty good here, and then we're not good there. That's because really good teams win Super Bowls, not just good teams, and else a good team. Half these, 90% of these players, if they played in Jacksonville, you would know who they are.

We'd never talk Dak. He's in Jacksonville. We talk CD Lamb, but there's like 30 great receivers in the league. If you look at the last five Super Bowls, here are the teams that have been in them. Mahomes, San Francisco's stack roster, Eagles Jalen Hertz stack roster, Brady Bucks, Rams McVeigh-Stafford, Burrell Bengals.

You know what you see? A-plus coaches, mostly A-plus quarterbacks. Or, or if the coach isn't an A-plus, we don't know, Zach Taylor. You've got depth on offense, multiple players, a Joe Mix and a Jemark Chase, a T. Higgins, a good tight end. You've got all-time defensive linemen. the Cowboys ceiling, let's be honest about it. B-plus coach and a B-plus quarterback and not a lot of offensive depth. Probably C-minus offensive depth.

So that's what they are. And even, by the way, Michael Parsons, I like, but he has disappeared in playoff games. He's disappeared in big games. You know who never did? Chris Jones, Kansas City, Aaron Donald, Trey Hendrickson, Nick Bosa, they don't disappear. So to me, the Cowboys have one truly great player, C.D. Lam. It doesn't matter if it's a playoff game. it's an opening game, it's a rival game, it's a road game, home game, cold, warm, doesn't matter.

CDLAM is great, great. Micah is consistently very good and matchup dependent. He faces Trent Williams, he'll get swallowed up. He faces a great left tackle either side. You're not going to hear much from Micah. I said, Adrian Hutchison is his comp, and I think Hutchison popped this year. He's better. So it's basically they're a B-plus student trying to get to Harvard, because that's what the Super Bowl is.

So it's not a knock on Dallas. It's a reality. Jerry's saying, well, we're pretty good here, and we don't do good in January. That's because pretty good doesn't get to play in February. That's the way it works. It's a McVeigh, it's a Stafford, it's a Mahomes, it's an Andy Reid. It's a Joe Burrell. That's the way it works.

And with that, the voice of college football for Fox. Joel Clatt is now joining us live on the herd. By the way, the big game this weekend I just had Lincoln Riley on. Ohio State Marshall. Okay, whatever. We'll get to that second. They are called The Herd, by the way. stole it from that's right did they steal that from you probably um who wouldn't so here's the thing

is that when uh when you all these pack 12 teams join the big 10 you heard a lot of this well it gets cold out here yeah i'll just tell you all the former pack 12 teams this year have been really good USC has been exceptional and i like USC and i don't think i'm being a homer uh their first Big Ten game, they feel like a more complete team. I think you're generalizing. UCLA has not been good at all. They've been bad. Washington got beat by Washington State, and Idaho almost beat Oregon. So no, all the Pack 12 teams that move to the Big Ten have not been great. But that's okay. I understand why you feel that way because you're a USC Homer. And so if USC is doing well, that means like the entire West Coast is doing well. But they are pretty good.

They're carrying the West Coast, which is fine. And they are doing well. So to your point, yes, USC needed to answer for me one specific question. Could you play average defense? Because I thought average defense would make them a pretty good football team. Yeah. It's better than average. Danton Lynn, their new defensive coordinator, has come in and made that a strength of theirs. Yeah.

I thought that USC had far too many defenders that were in one-on-one situations in space in previous years. Yeah. Not just like trying to defend, but trying to tackle in space. one-on-one. What you see from this structure of defense is a very different style of defense. This is the Baltimore Ravens style of defense. So DeAnton Lynn cut his teeth under that Baltimore Raven staff. So he was in the room with Jesse Minter and Mike McDonald when they were all learning this defense. Okay. So he goes off onto his own and what this defense does in its structure and why it's been so successful, wildly successful, everywhere it's been, by the way, Baltimore plays

great defense. Michigan had the best defense in college football last year. Seattle's 2 and O. look at what the chargers have done defensively. Like, they are already really good under Jesse Minter. Here's what it does. It leverages the football well. And what they do is they force teams to drive 8, 9, 10, 11 plays versus creating big plays because they don't expose their players to one-on-one situations. They build a run wall up front with their interior defensive line.

They have hard edges on the outside. And then they leverage the football with their structure of defense in the secondary in order to have hybrid athletes go and pinch the football. on leverage the football. So what does that mean? Colin, that means that they don't have as many one-on-one situations in space where one guy has to make the tackle. That's what killed, decimated USC in previous years. And now you don't find that as much. I think what's interesting for me about this game specifically, and I know maybe defensive football isn't like sexy for you to talk about, but I love that type of leverage stuff.

USC was last great when they hit people. Pete Carroll. And their defenses were some of the better defenses in the country. In fact, the reason they lost to Texas is that that defense in 05 wasn't up to par. They were missing two corners. And we digress. Now this team faces a Michigan team that is in full identity

crisis. They're changing the quarterback, and it's not just like one for another, it's an entire philosophy for another. They don't know what they are. What Davis Warren provides is vastly different than what Alex Orgy provides at quarterback.

in terms of what their skill set is and what the offense's philosophy will likely be when they're in a quarterback. I don't envy DeAnton Lynn and USC because they're going into this and it's basically an opener. It's like, well, what are we going to see from Michigan offensively? Probably a lot of run. And if I'm Michigan, guess what I'm going to do? Probably run it 50 or 55 times. I want to shorten the game, keep Lincoln's offense off the field, and I want to put Alex Orgy in the best possible situation to succeed.

why not test the USC defense in terms of their physicality? Okay, so I've said this. Generally, the eyeball test in the NFL doesn't mean anything because everybody's big and fast. Sure. I kind of watch quarterback play. Yeah, the margin is not that far in the NFL. Everybody looks to assume, you know, there have been some teams, Steeler teams years ago felt bigger and stronger, but Raven teams always had that sort of linebackers

were bigger than everybody else's. So at the NFL level, I watch a lot of quarterback play and coaching. At the college level, I look at bodies. Texas looks like the number one team in the country. They now are. I think that offensive line, I think it's the get out of jail free card. I think it's the classic. We're not playing well today.

Let's just run it behind them. By the way, I watched Georgia play Kentucky. Every good team has a stinker. Everybody, you can't ask kids who are 19 years old, give me 13 great weeks. That old line is just going to carry you through bad. Saturdays. So line play is more important in college than it is NFL. Because in the NFL, it's

more similar across every team. And so quarterback play in the NFL level is just like, oh my gosh, it's everything. It's everything. In college, what do we see win the national championship? If quarterbacks win Super Bowls, line play, wins national championships. That's why SEC's been so great for 20 years.

That's exactly right. Georgia was dominant for the last couple of years. LSU. Michigan was dominant last year. Where? Line of scrimmage. Both sides of the ball, defensive and offensive. And when you see teams struggle early in the year,

that's the first place to point. Do you know that Oregon had shuffled their offensive line around and were awful? They were awful. And then all of a sudden they find the right combination and what happens? They look great. Why? They figured out their offensive line play. They rotated guards and switched it around,

and they found the combination that works. Georgia struggled because of the injury to their guard. Their guard is probably the best guard in the country. He's a first round pick. He gets hurt, and he's going to be out about six weeks. That's a problem for Georgia. They got pushed around by Kentucky's front in the first half.

I think losing, I believe it's, gosh, I'm blanking on his name, rat lift or something along those lines. Anyways, they lose this guard. With their schedule, that's concerning to me. All of a sudden, a loss or two is certainly in the equation for Georgia because they're going to be struggling in terms of an offensive line combination. Guess who's not struggling with an offensive line combination? Texas.

That's why they look so good. How can two quarterbacks look as dominant? Yeah, they're both skilled. Ewers and Archmanning. They're playing behind an offensive line that isn't a dominant offensive line. These guys, four of them have played for the better part of three years. Yeah. I remember when they started as freshman.

Kelvin Banks has started for like a million years. And he's probably going to be the first tackle taken, or one of them. Well, it's not a good tackle year in the draft, so he'll be the first guy taken. Or one of them. But let me throw this at you. I do not believe in controversy. Clickbait is my enemy. Is it?

Is it? But Arch Manning. Arch Manning, if I was Quinn Ewers, I'd be like, Mm-hmm. Arch Manning's pretty tasty. But you don't, you don't peddle in controversy. Morally, I'm against it. Are you?

That's fascinating. system is above it. But Arch Manning looks good. He does. He looks good. Arts looks great. I know. He does. He does. No big deal, though. If you're winning, there's no controversy. That's exactly right.

It's almost like this is embarrassment of riches. It's like this is a great problem to have. He's the best backup quarterback in college football history. Without question. Without question. I think what was surprising was that he ran as fast as he did. It's like seeing that number and name on

back run. You only almost hit 21 miles an hour because they have GPS and 21 miles an hour is like fast fast. I couldn't hit 21 miles an hour on a bike. That guy is just rolling out. Never forget this. The lineage. Archie Manning could run. He could. Eli and everybody else couldn't. Payton could only run fast if you like leaned that big head forward. And it's like, well, you got to fit all that football somewhere. He's the smartest guy on the field. I will say this about Arch. Arch gives Texas the opportunity to just be patient with Quinn yours. You don't have to rush him back. And now it also allows you to be more aggressive when yours comes back. Yours can play a little bit more free

than if you have a situation where you don't have a backup. Let me give you an example really quickly. A few years ago, Ohio State had Justin Fields and they were reluctant to let Fields run, even though that was such a threat for him, because they didn't have a backup Herbert at Oregon. Same thing. Herbert at Oregon. McCarthy at Michigan. It's the same type of deal.

So they were always playing with like a percentage of their offense because of the depth issue at quarterback. Good call. Texas doesn't have that now. You're going to get the entirety of the offense in its fullest because they've got depth everywhere. They've got depth at wide receiver. They've got depth at offensive line.

And now obviously proven out to have depth of quarterback. Okay, let's talk. Last week, I did something on my show. It got a lot of reaction. Was it controversial? I'm against it morally. But I did think this needed to be addressed. After nine years as the fake idea of college football, Iowa graduated, got a nice job in an accounting firm in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

So I named Colorado is the new fake idea of college football. And I said at least Iowa could handle their beer. I mean, Colorado was like barfing on their shoes after half a margarita. I will say last week It's a win, it's a rival But it is a little noisy for my taste I mean a lot of the noise comes from outside A lot of the noise is how about you shake hands

With the team you just beat? Yeah, I mean, hey, how about if you're the opposing quarterback You don't run your mouth As to the extent that Braden Fowler, Nicolosi ran his mouth And then couldn't back it up on the field And by the way, if you just run the video a little bit you're going to see Shador Sanders, shake everybody else's hands. He daps up everybody from CSU except for this clown that ran his mouth about how good he was.

Well, that's a little hard. I mean, he goes to CSU, whatever. So, you know, I mean, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. This team does show a little bit more than they did last year. What do you mean? Shows more. What do you mean?

What does that mean? I was very critical of Colorado early in the season because I thought, man, nothing's changed. Just a bunch of new transfers. They've got this great quarterback and, and travolve it. Hunter, who's, by the way, fabulous. You know, honestly, he should be the first player picked in the draft. Possibly.

He's the best player, the best player I've seen. He probably should. If you were voting for the Heisman Trophy, you'd probably have to vote him. No, he's a great player. He is a great player. Okay, so you have these, like, elite players. Then I thought, man, they haven't showed anything else, though.

You know, the defense is still suspect and so on and so forth. And yet, I'm starting, you're starting to see a little bit of growth in areas outside of Shador Sanders. and Travis Hunter. The run game, all of a sudden, a little bit better, a little bit more sustained over five yards per carry in their last game. And they haven't, they've given up nine points in their last six quarters on defense. Yeah.

That includes the Nebraska game. So all of a sudden now this defense is starting to improve, and now you've got this two weeks. And folks, I'll just put it to you this way. Rather than make proclamations of what they will be or won't be, or Dion this or or Shadour that, Colorado's season is going to be defined for them in their performances in the next two weeks. They've got Baylor at home and UCF on the road.

If they win both of those two games, they're an upper echelon, upper tier Big 12 team competing for a right to go to the Big 12th title game. If they don't, then they're, as you said, probably the fake ID, even though you're reusing the bit. I mean, you could probably find another bit. The fake ID thing was Iowa's. Listen.

Isn't that a bit of a slap in the face to them? No, I think they tired of it. They were tired of it a long time. They were celebrating my pivot to Colorado. Okay, Clats top 10, Texas, I don't disagree with any of this, but I'll push back a little. So Clats top 10, you know, for a radio audience, Texas, Ohio State, Miami, Tennessee, Georgia, Bama, U.S.C. Ole Miss, Penn State, Oregon. I think Oregon, I'm not quite sure going to give them that much love, but whatever.

Time out. Do you like Miami or do you just like Cam Ward? And if that's the latter's the answer, I'm okay with it. I don't trust Miami situation. I just like Cam Ward. Same. I love Cam Ward. Yeah, everybody does.

I don't know if I trust their coach yet because of the mistakes that he's made historically in terms of game management. He has not a personal thing. Not a good road coach, not a close game coach. Game management issues. I do trust them actually at the line of scrimmage, though. You know, they have shown the ability to win up front. And as I pointed out earlier, I think that's really where college. football is at the line of scrimmage. And so I think that they're not only the ACC favorite,

but he, to me, Ward, speaking of Cam Ward, he makes them an elite college football team. I'll be pretty surprised if they don't win the ACC. I'll be pretty surprised if they're not a top four seed in the college football playoff. And then I know that I moved Georgia all the way down, but listen, I watched, I watched, they got pushed around up front. Sorry, they did. And I'm just throwing this out there. And I'm not saying that Georgia is worse. or not going to do this or that. With the issues on the offensive line, by the way, Carson Beck has a slight AC joint sprain

in his left non-throwing shoulder. He didn't look good. If you get some of these injuries, folks, they have one of the most difficult schedules in the country. The judge is not going undefeated. No. Not happening. And now if you start to mess with the offensive line,

you can see maybe a second or third loss creep up. Meanwhile, I'll just point this out. Ole Miss and Missouri have two of the easier schedules in the SEC. So there is a plausible path to Georgia not representing, well, either, not being in the SEC championship game. We don't talk a lot of Ohio State because we know they're going to be good. And they haven't really played anybody. They haven't played anybody. I like Will Howard. Here's kind of with Ohio State. We'll talk about them when it matters. Sure. I think what happens, I'm going to tell you about the anti-USC bias that happens in America.

is that people, because it's L.A., and everybody's always banging on L.A., they don't want to acknowledge how good USC is. If USC outside of Texas and Ohio State played anybody they'd win. I don't know about that. Lincoln, Riley, Mario Cristobal, Big. Alabama? I think Alabama's...

Do you think they could beat Tennessee? Tennessee's the number one scoring offense in the country. I think Tennessee is good. They're the third best rushing team in the country. Hey, listen, I just appreciate you had the conviction to get rid of 1A, 1B, 1C like last week. I was trying to present a clear tier hierarchy, if you will. You know that. You've either heard hierarchy.

Yeah. I don't know about that with USC. If they win this week at Michigan, pending how the game goes, we will have a direct comparison through common opponent to what Texas did at the same location. So we're going to know exactly what USC is, with the team that we think is the best in college football. By the way, at the end of this weekend. Is Will Howard a pro quarterback just asking?

Because I watched him early and I thought, God, he moves well, he throws, but a lot of guys in college. I mean, a lot of us get a chance. I mean, even I got a chance. Did you? Yeah. What happened? I got signed with New Orleans and didn't work out.

Then Detroit didn't work out. Really? Yeah. You never told me that. Yeah. A real quick story about New Orleans. So this is right after Katrina. Sean Payton gets the job.

They signed Drew Brice. Draft Reggie Bush. So I go in for rookie minicamp, no contract. So I'm just an undrafted free agent. With Sean Payton and everybody there? Yeah, Sean Payton, Marcus Colston, these guys. My cast was actually their second round wide receiver, and Colson was like the seventh round wide receiver.

So I'm sitting there throwing one-on-one routes and routes on air. It was one of our first drills in rookie minicamp down in New Orleans. And Sean was standing behind me. And he starts telling me, hey, throw it to that guy like high. Okay, now throw it to his back shoulder. All right, now stretch him out. And I thought he was like, hey, man, this kid's accurate.

No, no. He was gushing over Marcus Colson, who was this low round pick that they had gotten. It was his first time to see him on the practice field, and I'm throwing these passes to Marcus Colston. Reggie was there. I was with Reggie and his first rookie minicamp, which another quick, funny story about that. And I've told Reggie this story.

We go on the flight. I'm leaving from Denver. He's connecting in Denver and then going to New Orleans. So he connects from L.A. And so we're on the same flight from L.A. Or excuse me, from Denver down to New Orleans. He's in first class. I'm in like 37E, right?

And we get off the plane and we go down to the baggage to get our bags. And I'm just kind of like in a jumpsuit, you know, like traveling in kind of athletic gear. And he kind of realizes that like we're together and there's a couple of GAs that are there to pick us up. he thinks that I'm just like a GA. So he rolls me his bag off of the baggage claim. And I'm like, this is Reggie. You know, I'm like, Reggie's at this point,

like a massive star, just won the Heisman trophy. Like, he's the biggest star in college football and then in the draft and all this stuff. And so I have this thought. I'm like, am I going to tell him that I'm also a player or am I just going to carry his bag? And I thought, I'm just going to carry his bag. So I just rolled both of our bags out to the bus.

and I threw him on the little like sprinter van that we were using. And then I got in the back with him. And he was kind of like looking at me like, why isn't he up front with the rest of the Schlep GAs? And then he finally realizes it. And he tried to, he was like, hey man, I'm sorry for rolling you my bag. I'm like, no problem. Do you want me to get it when we get off to?

By the way, the NCAA accused him of getting a few bags rolled to him at college, but that was all untrue. It was a grievance and outrageous. Now it's legal. NIL. Isn't that funny? That's why, by the way, I watched that Connor Stallions. If you'd not seen the Conner Stallions Netflix documentary, even-handed,

I would hire Conner Stallions in two minutes. It's fantastic. Well, you know, Neumontalolo, the Navy coach. Yes. So Conner's first job was for Navy. Yeah. And Coach Neumatelolo, guess what his first task was? First task.

Decipher signs. And he's like, okay. Here we go. Connor Stallions went into the office and the coach says, what do you do? And he goes, can you decipher signs for us? Sure. And Netflix very fairly, I think Dan Wetzel was the reporter, Michigan was miles behind with Harbaugh in doing that. So they had to find somebody who could kind of do it.

It's a sore subject. I mean, you bring this up. I mean, people are saying with their struggles, it's like, it was all the signs stealing. And they totally throw out the last half of last season where they've, beat all of those ranked teams without Stallions without the operation and they beat them worse. It's like, oh. Were they stealing signs on fourth down against Bama and the

Rose Bowl? Like, get out of here. It's the same Colts fans who say Deflate Gate. They tracked Brady 16 games after DeFlate Gate was the most efficient he'd been. Like Tom's good, Michigan was good, they had a zillion NFL guys. You defend cheaters.

Okay. But that's why I can't be outraged by Connor Stallions. The worst thing you could do in college football my entire life was pay a high schooler. Now they're bidding wars. Yeah. It would be, seriously, it's like me getting outraged by jaywalking.

It's like, yeah, everybody's doing it. I guess they were a little bit out of the crosswalk at Michigan, but that Netflix documentary, not to tell you to go to streaming on Connor Stallions, is must watch. I thought it was a great documentary. I mean, listen, they broke the rules, and I think they should be punished accordingly and have been. I mean, they

to play. You get a ticket for jaywalking. Absolutely. Well, there you go. There you go. There you go. You and I agree. But to act like sign stealing is somehow the biggest issue in the outcome of all of these games is just naive and not true.

For the record. For the record. Not only does Netflix tell you that people, everybody has somebody on the staff doing it, but what they also told you is that something I heard years ago from coaches, there's a subculture. So like, a Connor Stallions will get calls from the Indiana guys. So there's this subculture of sign stealing where people are sharing information. It's like Wall Street. Well, there's at least rumblings that TCU had help in the playoff game. Against Michigan.

Correct. Yeah. Which is like that's what it is. I don't know. I digress. We could do a whole hour on this subject. Yeah, I just, it's when you're paying, when you're having bidding. Wars for high school players

settle down on sign stealing's deciding games. You know what I was reminded of? Do you remember AJ Green? Yeah, of course. He got suspended for like the first half of the season for selling his bowl jersey. How ridiculous. No, but the

people, there were those of us, you were probably one, I was one, that were making fun of the NCAA because of that stuff. It's insane. The stadiums packed. The kid can't afford Pete's on a Tuesday. Give me a break. Well, now he can. Oh, yeah. He bought a Domino's chain.

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Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mark Sanchez's last hour stopping by. We've got some good NFL stuff coming up for the end of the hour. Here's J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Let's get our obligatory jets talk out of the way. Aaron Rogers got his first win as a jet this season in week two. A lot closer than it should have been against the Titans. A-Rod. A-Rodd, whichever one you prefer, let a 74-yard fourth-quarter touchdown drive to break the tie. They got a big game Thursday against the Patriots. I'm excited, 40. worried about this game. Well, you are

worried about this game because it's going to be a low scoring game and low scoring games a fumble can change the outcome. So I don't. I think one of the things you touched on yesterday, which is really a thing, and we need to give the Jets credit in their front office, they went and found a tremendous young number

two running back, and this team is weapons light. Yeah. So if Mike Williams can come back, Garrett, Mike, Lazard, and two capable backs, is, it feels much better. Now, Mike Williams' injuries,

it's part of his game. But finding a second, especially in the red zone, Kit can really pound the ball. It's a thing. Offense is the thing. Rogers talked about it yesterday. The offense has gotten off to two slow starts.

He wants to get them to get off to a fast start. It doesn't really matter how close we are. What matters is what we did on the field. You know, how close we are is great for coaches because they can coach up. the thing, but, you know, it'd be a boondoggle to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. So, you know, we've got to change a couple things. We've got to be a little sharper. Just, you know, we've got to start faster. We've been, you know, starting

really slow the first two weeks. So we've got to start faster to put some together in the first 15 and give our defense chance to play with the league. What's disturbing about that is your first 15 plays should be your strongest because that is deception. You have looked at film, broken down areas where you'll have an advantage. The element of surprise. They've been terrible as a first, second, third drive team. And that's like a huge... That points

to me a lack of creativity from the person designing the plays. Part of that, yeah. Part of that is they're playing catch-up in both games. Trailing the Niners, right? Trailing the Titans. They had to come back, so that's why the numbers are skewed. But you're right, they need to get more aggressive out of the gate. I will point out, nothing

on the Hassan Reddick front is shocking me so far. How is there no traction with him. When they lose Jermaine Johnson, C.J. Mosley looks like he's probably going to miss with the injury. They need an impact defensive pass. Well, Mosley's one of their better defensive players. So they got the young kids Sherwood who's going to step in. And listen,

Patriots have done one thing right the last, the first two weeks. Run the ball. They want to run for 185 yards. That's their goal. Stevenson, hammer away. Don't make mistakes. Reset. Does Mosley call their defensive plays? Yeah, I think he's the guy who I think he's their defensive play caller. You know, that's a thing. It's not great.

No. Their front seven is going to have to be tough. Hopefully the noise in the Jets' first home game of the season will rattle Brissette in the pocket. Oh, so they'd be noisy in the offseason and at home. Zing. Zing. Moving on to from my favorite team to your favorite quarterback, Caleb Williams. Another tough start in week two. Yeah. Lost to the Texans. So after the game, interesting clip here of C.J. Stroud finding and advising Caleb.

I saw that. On the field. Now, this went viral. Take a close look and listen. Good job about here, bro. Stop taking those hits. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. Learn from those mistakes. And everything that you got, bro, is in you already, bro. You're going to be a hell of a player in this league.

All right, boy. Appreciate it. For sure. Yeah, Caleb didn't want to really listen to that. Okay, so what's that about? I don't know. I don't think Caleb was in the mood to listen to C.J. Stroud tell him about football. He played a terrible or a bad game.

I know people said he was arrogant and he was off-putting and I'm not going to debate it, but I think people react differently. Like when they lose football games, a lot of guys just want to get off the field. Yeah, I get that. Especially when you're getting crushed by the Texans defense. He got sacked like seven times. Yeah, he got destroyed. He probably wanted to get in the locker room.

It was national television. He was probably ticked off. He's been sacked nine times. People may jump to big conclusions there. Like, Caleb's arrogant. and there's a fine line between arrogance and confidence. You straddle it. Sometimes I can see like it's obvious.

I didn't think that was obvious, but people did say he was like Caleb was not up for it. What's your interpretation? Oh, I don't do many things great, but I think I straddle that arrogant, confident line pretty well. I'm pretty good at that. But I'll tell you this, if I walked off the set second week I was on this show and somebody was trying to talk to me

about what to do and I just kept walking away you'd be like, ooh, this McIntyre kid, I don't know. So I can understand the... You thought Caleb was a little too cool for the room? Listen, you've played sports. You want to lose you. You do want to get the hell out of there. But it's C.J. Stroud.

Like, this guy's done a lot. You would love to be where C.J. Stroud is. Right? Take 10 seconds and listen to him. I'm not going to crush Caleb. By the way, I like the Bears this weekend. At the Colts. You on that?

I think that. I think when teams feel they get physically humiliated and Chicago got pushed around. They tend to, these are pro athletes, they're prideful. I think Chicago will play a great football. They'll play as good a football game as they can. I still think the Colts are pretty interesting. DeForest Buckner, looks like he's going on the IR. So that's a problem.

That's a big loss. Their defense has already got. They've been on the field more than any other defense in the league. This is a big. Well, here's the interesting thing. So Shane Steichen has been money with Hertz and Justin Herbert. What if Anthony Richardson is mad all year? He threw three interceptions all in Packers' territory.

No, no, no, it was, like, it was bad. And Shane Steichen has literally taken Herbert as a rookie right out of Oregon. He broke NFL passing records for rookies. First game had to play. He goes to Jalen Hertz, makes him an MVP-level player. If Anthony Richardson, now, with two off-season... Well, it's only been... I think he started like six games. All right, I'm just saying...

I'm throwing it out. there, what if he stings it up until Thanksgiving? I mean, in this league, how patient can you be? If Shane Stuyken can't, it's like the Niners with Trey Lance. Shanahan's like, he works with everybody. He worked with Garoppolo, got Garoppolo to a Super Bowl. So I do look at the Colts and I think if Stuyken can't figure this thing out, because last week, Richardson was brutal.

Yeah. So, okay, I'm glad you brought up Stikin. We both like him a lot. He's a brilliant guy. I have Jonathan Taylor and, fantasy, he was having a monster game against the Packers. Colin, he was benched in the fourth quarter. This is being underplayed significantly.

They had 22 offensive snaps in the fourth quarter. Jonathan Taylor was not on the field for any of them. What on earth is that about in a close game? Like, Jonathan Taylor is your best offensive weapon. No disrespect to Pittman. What on earth was Stike and doing? Now, he's kind of been dodgy with the media. There's something going on in Indy.

I don't know what to make of it. But, Colin, there's a great opportunity for the Bears to get a dub on the road. I like them a lot this weekend. Final story. The Dolphins officially placed Tua on the IR. He's going to miss the next four weeks. Skyler Thompson slated to start at Lumen this Sunday. I like Seattle.

Well, the line's gone from six to four and a half. Yeah, I like a little weird. Devin McCordy, who is now in the media, floated an interesting name for Miami to look at. You know, we were early. We like Bryce Young, maybe Russell Wilson. Well, Devin McCordy is saying, what about Mac Jones? saying Miami, San Francisco, a lot of teams have been thrown out as places he could possibly have gone last season. I know Mack would love to do the 2021 draft over again.

That's interesting. That's interesting. Played in the division before? That's interesting. He knows Waddle from Alabama. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. I don't think that's terrible.

Mack Jones, I think, buried on the depth chart in Jacksonville is sitting behind Trevor Lawrence. He's not going to step in the phone. He's not going to play. That's not bad at all. Mack Jones or Bryce Young. Mac Jones made a Pro Bowl. Mac Jones. He made a Pro Bowl.

I'm not sure Bryce can play. Mac made the Pro Bowl. Who was the head coach when he made the Pro Bowl, by the way? Oh, yeah. The guy, nobody wanted to interview. Oh, boy. Jay Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news.

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It all begins tomorrow at 7 Eastern on Fox. Check for the game in your area. Top of the hour, Mark Sanchez, right off the top. It's as good at 20 minutes as you're going to get anywhere. All the NFL stuff, he's breaking it down. So I saw this story this morning. Rookie quarterbacks set a record with zero touchdown passes on 196. combined attempts so far this year.

So first of all, everybody's quarterback journey is different. Mahomes was considered a Big 12 system quarterback who went to Texas Tech. Nobody quite knew what you were getting. Josh Allen did not get a single division one offer out of high school. Aaron Rogers went to a junior college. Kyler Murray was going to be a baseball player. Jordan Love got one offer, Utah State. Brady six round, Joe Montana, third round, back fourth round.

Brock Purdy, last guy pick. You don't know. So Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix, and Caleb Williams, first of all, they all transferred. They were the first quarterback class that came into the league, having been paid a lot of money in college. There's a lot of stuff going on here. It's an incredibly inexact science. And what increasingly is happening, and I believe it's because now the owners are all billionaires, some $10, $12, $15 billion, were firing coaches and coordinators sooner were much less patient. patient. So these quarterbacks are asked to play quicker and we're giving them less time for

turbulence or we just move on. I think it's really, really hard. It's a very impatient, demanding process, and it all looks bumpy. It's got a TikTok feel to it. People are swiping within three seconds if you don't pay off. And so, I mean, let's be honest about Chicago. Did we all expect to Chicago to be smooth? Even when they had Jay Cutler, they were making the playoffs with Mitch Tribisky. They had Rex, sexy Rex Grossman. Chicago Bears in offense has never been smooth. So this thing was going to be bumping.

Now, the offensive line, which I thought was pretty solid, middle of the pack solid, was completely it's regressed. Now, some of that is Caleb Williams. The protection has not been very good. Caleb Williams getting frustrated. But Tom Brady

was on the show earlier. Maybe the winner of this thing is Drake May and Michael Pennix because they get a sit and watch And Brady talked about Drake May and rookie quarterbacks in the league on this show. I mean, I've gone on record to say that I think it's best in my opinion for young quarterbacks or rookie quarterbacks to kind of watch a veteran do it. There's so much that goes on and quarterbacks need to process so much information so quickly. Ultimately, those young players are going to get opportunities.

The franchises need those young quarterbacks to come in and take a big step and lead that franchise on into the future. I just like to give them a little bit of time to acclimate themselves to the pro game, the pro schedule. I mean, it's a big difference between college football and professional football. Yeah, you go from like 12 games to 17 or more. It's much more demanding. You know, everybody's older in the locker room.

And here's the other thing that doesn't get discussed a lot. A lot of these quarterbacks come from schools. I mean, if you go from Utah State to Matt LaFleur, that's a completely different level of sophistication to be a good. quarterback. Very rarely do you get a kid that comes out of a sophisticated college offense like Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield come

out of Lincoln Riley's offense. Well, that's a pretty demanding offense. I've been told this by GMs that like Baker Mayfield went to the whiteboard and they were blown away. Sam Darnel at a USC's offense went to the whiteboard and they're like, it's basically hero ball at USC and that coaching

staff. So, I mean, I think there's so many different things that especially when you're an improvisational quarterback like a Mahalms, a Lamar Jackson, those guys got to sit for a while because the NFL's got a lot of structure. And let's be honest, if you're a great improvisational athlete in high school and college, you could just take off if the number one receiver wasn't open and you're just a better athlete than the linebacker and the safety trying to chase you. It's totally different, totally different in the NFL. So this stuff is hard. Everybody's got a different path. The bears make

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