The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Joel Klatt, Peter King

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

In hour 2, Colin explains that Tua Tagovailoa is exactly what he's always been. A good player with average attributes that can excel with weapons around. But that doesn't mean Miami Dolphins fans should expect everyone else has to buy into him. Joel Klatt joins the show to talk NCAAF and Peter King joins to talk Green Bay not making any moves before the trade deadline and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, hour 2, LA. We're live, the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Tennis last night. It rained this morning. It was all cloudy and misty last night. Is there anything better than doing like sports at night? Could be a softball game.

It could be tennis, which I played last night. Doing it at night when it's cold and misty, and the club was packed. Everybody was having a great time. Beers everywhere. My problem with doing sports at night. is I'm so amped, it's tough to fall asleep after that. No? Not an issue for you, huh?

When you get old, you fall asleep everywhere but at the steering wheel. I can fall asleep anywhere, any time for an hour, anywhere. We should play one-on-one tennis and then have it videotaped by the team here. Why would I want to do that? Put that online. Why not? Because I play with old guys. I played doubles last night, laughed, fun.

I'll play left-handed. I'm just kidding. I cannot play. I don't like to just participate and sweat. Like, I go skiing. I'm not competing. I'm just skiing. I played golf this summer.

I don't keep score. That's why I don't ski. It's not a competition. I like competing. I like to win. Yeah, I know you do. So dolphins have improved. You know, they went and got Bradley Chubb,

and Bradley's a really good player. So it was a great, and they got Jeff Wilson and the running back. But Chubb's the key, the pass rusher. So Miami fans are funny. It cracks me up. They want us, they want so badly for everybody to put their arms around the franchise. You've thought you're going to be great for 30 years.

You have nothing to show for it. So all of us, have been right 30 years in a row. Now you think because Tua's got some weapons, your team's great. For 30 years, Dolphin fans have been whining about getting respect. We were right.

You were wrong. You were 0 for 30. Now you're demanding you get respect through eight weeks. I like your team. I picked your team for the playoffs. But this whole Tua thing cracks me up. Tua hasn't changed. He's still smaller than you'd like.

He's been injured in college and pro more than you'd like. and he lacks a power arm. Nothing has changed with Tua. Nothing. In fact, I'm more concerned about his health now with the concussions. The only thing that's changed is people around him. That's it. He hasn't changed at all.

He has a really, really, really smart head coach, and they got him some weapons and a great left tackle. So what you're seeing with Tua now is what he's always been, like in college. If you surround him with a great coach and weapons and protection, he can distribute the ball and win games. That's what he was in college. But in college, when he faced Joe Burrow, who had equal weapons, Burrow beat him. Because he's not Joe Burrow.

He's not. He's not that big. I don't think he's near that talented. So it's, and by the way, Buffalo, Kansas City, Cincinnati, they got weapons too and more talented quarterbacks. But this need for Miami fans for us to all embrace, Tua, two is exactly what he's always been. A little small, a little fragile, and lacks a big power arm. You can still win in this league without all those things. But it's like even an, you know, I don't know anything about acting,

but even an average actor, if you give them a great director and a great cast and a great script can be elevated to be pretty special for a movie. But no actor or few actors get a great script back to back to back to back to back to back to back. And a great director back to back to back to back and a great cast back to back to back. So at some point, you need the actor to elevate and carry the film. That's a movie star. That he doesn't have the greatest script or the greatest director, and he makes it a hit movie. That's what Josh Allen does.

Josh Allen has no running game for five years, and he's still winning games. Patrick Mahomes with Tyreek Hill. Patrick Mahomes without Tyree Kill. Doesn't matter. Wins games. Even an average actor, if you give him a. great script can be elevated in a movie. Nobody's ever doubted Tua can do that.

At Alabama, two won a bunch of games when he had a great coach and great weapons. Nobody doubts that. This need for Miami fans to just put her arms around, too, nothing's changed with him. He's just got a better coach and better weapons and a better left tackle. We've never doubted he could win that way. That's fine. But he's not carrying the film, and that's what Mahomes can do, and that's what Josh Allen can do. And that's what Joe Burrow did to carry Zach Taylor, a terrible offensive line.

and a flimsy organization historically to a Super Bowl. That wasn't a great script. He didn't have a great director. He didn't have a great cast. He carried him to the Super Bowl. Road game, road game, cold weather, road game. Two is what two has always been. And he's got really good people around him.

I saw that in college. Nobody doubts he can deliver the ball. He's a very accurate throw over the football. And third down, he's been like 72% or something completion percentage. But this need for everybody knows what two is. Nothing's changed. She's got better people around him. All right.

First college football playoff rankings came out last night. I'm sure Joel Klatz all worked up about that. Let's bring on the Claster, the voice of college football at Fox. He is the voice of college football. Don't mess around with this guy. What's going on, man? You'll be calling Texas Tech TCU. Yes, sir.

So let me just say that. Everybody gets, you know, these regies, I don't get all worked up. I mean, I said, I don't buy Clemson yet, but teams should have a right. to improve. Sure. I think Oregon should get a mulligan. All new people go to the south, get beat by Georgia. I think they're actually better than people think. You know, get half a mulligan.

So should L.S. You get a mulligan too? And apparently they did get one. Well, well, I do think if you have new team, new quarterback, new staff, and your first game is a tough one. And you don't play well, it's like, well, in the NFL, you get preseason games. In college, it's like, go! Yeah. It's hard. I mean, there's so much to unpack with the

first rankings. And Let's look at them. Your sentiment, yeah, I would love to We can put them up so that everyone kind of knows that's watching. I think your sentiment is wrong, though, which is like, you're basically saying it doesn't matter. Here's the top six up on the screen. Tennessee's number one, Ohio State 2, Georgia 3, Clemson 4, Michigan 5, Alabama, 6. Your sentiment is kind of like, well, it doesn't really matter.

No, my sentiment is, I mean, my sentiment is I've been told forever how great Ohio State is. I watched Oregon walk in there last year and punch him in the forehead. I was told by every Buckeye fan how great they were last year, and Michigan physically rolled them is until they face... Wait, I'm sorry, are we ranking last year's Ohio State team or this year? I'm confused. I have a hard time with Ohio State. Well, see, what you just did is exactly what the committee did,

and what they didn't do and what you failed to do is rate these teams on what they do this year. Listen, a team's life cycle is 12 months. That's it, right? And what you see reflected in these committee's rankings that they gave us a night ago are basically ghosts of championship pass reflecting how they view these teams. You just did it right there with Ohio State and the committee did it with Clemson. The ghost of Deshawn Watson and Trevor Lawrence and Hunter Renfro forced them to put Clemson with a worse resume ahead of Michigan and ahead of TCU. Yeah, I think Michigan's better than Clemson. I do too.

I think that TCU's resume is far better than Clemson right now. And Clemson was a victim of brand bias. And that's what's inherently bad about our sport is that there's still brand bias. And here's why it matters. And this is one of my big takeaways from last night. Everybody always just, oh, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It'll play itself out.

But that's wrong. That's wrong. Let me tell you why. It is wrong to think that these rankings don't matter because of two reasons. Number one, this is how you build your resume. You don't make cookies and just say like, oh, the amount of sugar doesn't matter. Well, of course it does.

It's part of the recipe. This is the recipe to get to the playoff. Yeah. Right? So you build your resume based on who's ranked and who's not. And what happens in those games when you play those ranked teams. So that's number one. And number two is this sport is still about perception,

much more than maybe any other sport on the planet. True. True. So perception is. is how you get into the playoff and perception is also how you become better. Why is that? Colin, this is the question you should be asked. Why? Why? Joel, that's interesting. Perception. Why is perception so important? Why? Because we don't draft. We recruit in our sport. And so it matters what the athlete in high school thinks of the program and more importantly

what the sentiment nationally is of a program. So when Utah and TCU are clearly not given the benefit of the doubt. Utah? Yes. I can explain that into, Well, I understand. So did LSU, but they're 10th, five spots higher than the AP. Yeah, I digress. Don't take me off point here. Don't take me off point. Perception.

I'm talking about perception here. And when you're recruiting and that perception is that your program has a glass ceiling and the burden of proof is on you because you're the little guy. And I'm a college kid or excuse me, a high school kid. And I get a TCU letter or a Utah letter. Then that perception seeps into how I view that program. Meanwhile, Clemson and Alabama are getting ranked this year based on ghosts of championships past. I mean, Alabama's lost the game.

So the committee tells us like, well, TCU has been behind in a few games. Oh, you mean like when Alabama was behind? When the clock struck zero? I'm sorry. Wasn't that the point of the game? But Utah, in the end, win your games. You can't get rolled. I don't disagree with that.

But you could say the same with LSU. By the way, the loss that Utah had at Florida is a far more acceptable loss than LSU losing on a neutral to Florida State? In a neutral? I mean, by the way, LSU of the top 10 teams, only team to lose at home. Only team. So in a sport where it's ridiculously difficult to win on the road. You look at all those losses of the one-loss teams where they happen on the road. But LSU gets the benefit of the doubt after getting trounced at home.

Come on, give me a break. Like, give me a break. What are we doing? Your world sounds very idealistic. Okay. It's perfect. We're only judging on this. This year.

This year. But if this is... The life cycle of these teams is one year. But college football a little bit is an invitation more than it is a playoff. Exactly. Okay. But since it is, let's take the rules of invitational. So here's where history matters.

If I'm dead set tied on a team, and there are going to be an invitational. who do we invite? It's like a wedding. You like her I don't. You like him, I don't. We got one invitation left. It's an invitational. So I am not supposed to look at and say, boy, I've seen Sabin in these big games. And I've seen that coach in big games and he stinks. Yeah, but the point. I give the FCC the benefit of the doubt a lot. I do. Shame on me. And I'm not saying that they shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt. I do. By the way, I said Tennessee should be ranked one. They're not in the AP. AP. And I put them at number one based on that, right? Their win against Alabama is the best win in the country so far.

Tennessee is really good. Georgia, really good. Bama, I still think, very good. I think LSU has developed and gotten much better. Same here. I think Ole Miss is very good. That's five teams that I have in the top 15 in the country. So I'm not, this is not an SEC argument. This is an argument that this committee goes in there and I feel like their frame of mind is wrong. I think you've got to rate teams in a brandless fashion and in a one-year model. Like that's what this team is. By the way, Zach Evans transferred out of TCU. And this day and age in college football more than any other,

these teams are one year old. All of them because of the transfer portal, because of NIL. You cannot rate teams based on what they've done in the past. I just don't agree with that. In particular, when TCU's resume is just better than Clemson, They've got two better wins than any one wins in Clemson has. They've got a better strength of schedule and better strength of record. Okay.

So we both think TCU should be ahead of Clemson. But there is something to be sell. Give you an example. So there are times I have in an invitational, which is college football has got a little bit of a feel to that, right? Well, I guess you invite me on here. And it's my history of great segments that keeps bringing me back. That's right.

Or you wouldn't be here. I see what you're trying to say. I boot a lot of people to the curb. I know. I know. Bottom line show. Listen. So, but the point.

is it's an ideal take. The truth is when I watch certain teams, like I'm giving Oregon, I had this discussion yesterday with a huge college football fan who I respect. I said, when I watch Oregon play UCLA, I wouldn't even have to follow recruiting. I can tell you who's got more four and five star athletes. Okay. I'm waiting for this coaching staff and they're doing it to get these guys in unison. So they go to play Georgia first game. Well, Kirby's got that puppy rolling. And so Oregon looked apart against Georgia and then you're like, New quarterback, new staff, new players, the South. I think if Oregon, right now today, I watch them visually.

They have dominated PAC 12 recruiting to a large degree the last seven, eight years. They look better than UCLA. I don't care who the better coach is. They are bigger and stronger and more dynamic and faster. So part of this is what my eyes see. When I see Ohio State roll over these marginally athletic Big Ten teams, I struggle with. I don't know who Ohio State is until they play Michigan. I will not know.

I know what Alabama is. Good, not great. I've seen it. And by the way, this weekend, but none of this is telling me that you should rate based on history. I thought you were trying to make an argument about history. No, I'm saying is it's the ideal arguments to me always, you've got to be careful about it because I do consider who your coach is

and his history and big games and to his teams get better. You know, like you'll see sometimes teams, Cliff Kingsbury, his teams get worse. But this is totally unfair to a guy like Max Duggan, right? Like, again, like this. is a guy that's put himself in the Heisman trophy race. I buy many accounts when you ask voters. Max Dug and the quarterback for TCU is good. It's probably

fourth in the country right now in terms of the Heisman trophy race. That's fair. So you know Quentin Johnston, their wide receiver one of the best wide receivers in all of college football. He's good. TCU is the only team in America that averages 300 passing yards, 200 rushing yards and has scored 20 touchdowns both

passing and rushing. Like none of that enters into the equation. Why? Because Clemson won a couple of championships years ago? Like, it doesn't make any sense. Let me ask you this. Who has better players? Who recruits at a higher level? I'm asking. I, I hear what you're saying. Clemson looks bigger, faster, stronger than TCU. I hear what you're saying, but they don't play that way. Well, they, by the way, the Lakers have historically better players than everybody else. They suck. But when I watch the- So, like, at some point, don't we have to look at what's going on on the field?

Great example. When I watch the Lakers, they're not dynamic enough. Well, neither is Clemson. So what do you? Wait, hold on. No, no, no, no, different. Clemson's dynamic. They're not playing well. They're not playing well. They're not playing well. They had to pull their quarterback. He played like crap. I watched the whole game. But that team's got. To beat Syracuse on the, at home. Well, Syracuse always gives Clemson trouble, don't they? I've watched them. I mean, Notre Dame just rolled up and thumped Syracuse. In the dome. Clemson and Syracuse have a weird rivalry thing where they, those games are always close.

You cannot be serious. I am dead serious. I feel like the McInroe right now. All right. I got something else I want to get you. All right. Let's go. Let's go. Let's move on. Okay. Hold on. So it was crazy. I got this late because the Michigan, Michigan State Tunnel thing. Oh, what a disaster. It was. And so, you know, when stuff like this happens, I never want to be first. Like, let's just watch it. Yeah. And I want to hear stuff and see video. You saw that Michigan, Michigan State tunnel thing. Yeah. My takeaway was, who is this poor Michigan kid getting attacked? That was my takeaway. on the video I saw. Am I missing anything?

My interpretation what I saw was Michigan kid getting attacked by like four kids. Well, but I don't have all the information outside of like viral video. Yeah, and that's why I've tried to stay away from exactly what you're talking about. This bothered me. My take is more from this really bothers me. Of course,

and it should bother you. It should bother anybody. It should bother you whether it's happening in the tunnel at Michigan or on the street corner, right, with security cam footage. This was a bad look all around. and I've stayed away from trying to place all the blame on any one team, coach, or player. Right. And so my take has been really threefold.

Colin, when it comes to this incident, number one, I do not think it's the inherent issue of the stadium. We've been playing games for 95 years at Michigan Stadium. And it's not been a big deal for a long time. And it is this game and that's unfortunate. The second thing that I would say is I always think about what would I be thinking if I was a teammate sitting in the locker room and this is happening, right? And I'm not involved. I'm a teammate, whether it's a Michigan State teammate or a Michigan teammate. And the bottom line is if I'm a teammate, I would be incredibly frustrated at the incident overall.

And in particular because if I was a Michigan State teammate of these guys that instigated this brawl, now all of a sudden the entire program is, is painted with a broad brush. We're undisciplined, you know, we're out there and we're reckless and this and that. And that's, that's wrong. I would be incredibly frustrated. And now all of a sudden they're going to get all those distractions. They've got eight players suspended.

They're poor in the program. I feel bad for the players at Michigan and I feel bad for the players at Michigan State as well that weren't involved in this. And then the last thing that I would say is, I just want to make sure that this runs its course. If law enforcement is involved, let it run its course, right? I don't want to go in there guns blazing with some hot take about any one person or coach in particular,

because I want this investigation to run its course so that it can come to a quick conclusion. I want to see, Clatt, let me see your top ten. This is Clats' top ten. Clats' top ten. Otherwise known as reality. So I've got number one Tennessee. So I'll say this. I like Oregon more than Clemson.

I don't have a problem with any of this. I like Oregon. I'd put Oregon one spot ahead of Clemson. I mean, Oregon did get their doors blown off. You can't just tell me that like that game didn't happen. Okay, I'm not. So I'm giving them kind of the benefit of the doubt, but at some point you just got to be like that game did happen.

So I've got them seven, Oregon eight, UCLA 9 and Utah 10. Let me ask you this in this perfect top 10. I think Michigan's better than Ohio State. I saw them both play Penn State. And I saw Michigan at an 18 to 1 first down advantage. That Michigan game should have been. been 70 to 7. Penn State couldn't compete. Penn State competed with Ohio State. I'll give you an analogy. You love analogies. Those two cars, if Ohio State and Michigan are cars, I know.

I like the blue one. Well, I know that the blue one has fifth gear, but I've seen the red one go to sixth and seventh, and I don't know if the blue one has those gears. When did see that? Last week against Penn State, against Penn State, the nine minute mark and 26 seconds of that game, they're down, 21-16. They're down. And within a minute nine of game time and six snaps of the football, they're up 30 to 21. Did you say they were down? That is seventh gear.

You say they were down? Yes, I did say they were down. By the way, they were also on the road. And I could go in a long dissertation of how difficult it is to play on the road in any conference. But six snaps of the football, they all of a sudden, they go down the field in three and three plays and score. JT. Tuimolo, out, game wrecker, strip sack, gets it, next play, touchdown. And it's like, what just happened?

James Franklin in that entire place, $108,000, went from, we're going to be to Ohio State to, oh, my God, we just got an avalanche of Buckeyes poured on our head. Congratulations, Ohio State for coming from behind. My blue car didn't trail. Wow. My blue car had a lead 500 yards. I'm not saying that Michigan's bad.

I'm just saying that I've seen fifth gear from them. I haven't seen sixth and seventh. Okay. I've seen it from the Buckeyes. All right. You know, playing on the road, I'm not saying it, It's not hard. But sometimes, oh, you're so wrong, and I'm going to back it up with data.

Here he goes again with his sentiment. And of the top 12 teams in the CFP rankings, there have been seven losses. Only one of them have been at home. And that was LSU at home, right? So, like, it doesn't happen. Look at the best teams in the country. Where are all their losses? Oregon lost basically on the road to Georgia.

USC lost on the road to Utah. UCLA, lost on the road to Oregon. Alabama, lost on the road to Tennessee. I mean, like, this is the only place that teams lose. So now all of a sudden you've got Bama and Tennessee on the road, like, watch out. I'd make an argument, the better team won. Alabama's not as good as Tennessee. Okay, that's not as good as Georgia.

I'm saying at the top of college football, when you get to the point where you're playing a top 15 team in their building, really hard to win. Really hard to win. Alabama wins a lot of road games. Well, really, do they? Actually, in the last two years, they've struggled on the road. Remember last year, two-point win against Florida. They lost against Texas A&M, four overtimes against. against Auburn. This year, one point went and they should have lost against Texas. Then they go on the road and they got beat by Tennessee. In fact, their defense, they give up 32 points per game on the road this year and only seven at home. So actually, they're a really poor road team and they're in trouble this week. That's called a data hammer that just landed on your desk. I work here on a tight rope. I work on a tight rope. A lot of information. You just got shoved off that tightrope. Volatile personalities. And I make it all cook, this jumbaya of personality.

I was a strong breeze as you're walking on that tightrope right there. Okay. Texas Tech at TCU. You know what I love? God, I'm going to love Texas Tech knocking the doors off TCU. I mean, if it's a great game, great. I love it. You'll come limping back into the studio and apologize to me.

I'm not a fan of anyone team. I'm just a fan of data. Okay, his name is Joel Glad he's got a podcast. The guy used to just take a check and never see him. Now he works here. Now we actually make him earn his check. That's amazing. That was good.

Listen, that was good. Untrue, but very good. Good. Okay, so he's got a podcast three times a week. It's good. It's good. If you tuned in, you'd learn a little bit. Joel Clatshow, wherever you find your podcast. I do go. I listen to your podcast. You did, and you still bring those uneducated takes. That's incredible. All right, Clatster. These are where Haymakers say, this was fun. You know what? We're a lot of times, we're just jokes and fun. We're out there like, you know, Penn and Teller. Today, this was real. It was McGregor and Nate Dia.

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Bryce Harper got things started with a home run in the first, but Philly wasn't done there. Four more home runs, Gabe. Philadelphia, the 7-0 win and 2-1 series lead. Tonight, the Astros will look to even things up in a crucial game four. Carpich begins at 70s, turn 4 Pacific, only on Fox and the Fox Sports app. I love the dugout. It looks like a college world series dugout.

Cheer, scream, yell, hug. That's the best baseball crowd I've seen in years. It has like a collegiate environment. Kind of like this show, has like a young vibe. A little inappropriate. Mildly inappropriate. Off the rails regularly. Yes, yes.

All right, J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So we talked about this yesterday. Miami upgraded big time by getting Bradley Chubb. The Denver defensive end. But the Broncos are getting asked a lot why they didn't move any of the receivers, right?

Jerry Judy was frequently in trade talks. KJ. Hamler, Cortland Sutton. Yeah. Cortland Sutton barely getting the ball this season. And they have Tim Patrick, who's out for the year, remember? Yeah. So they're kind of loaded at receiver. GM, George Payton, explained why they didn't let any of these guys go at the deadline.

Hmm. We received a number of calls on our receivers, some other positions. You know, we wanted to keep our young talent receivers. I think we started to get some rhythm in the last game, you know, versus Jacksonville, and we just feel good with where we're going. We're trending in the right direction, you know, with Jerry and Hamler and Cortland.

And we didn't want to break that up. You know, I think we have a good thing going. We're in it to win it, moving forward. And so we kept all of our receivers. How about that? That was a very spicy fourth quarter by Russ. Very spicy against Jacksonville, Jaggmore's over. He did it overseas.

I mean, basically he saved their season, but it's still on life support. They have a long way to work. How about you give me one more week? So that was encouraging. You have to admit, that was kind of an encouraging win. That was a big game for Jacksonville, kind of encouraging. Let's give Dangerish, Danger Witch. One more week.

So Denver's on a buy this week. I'm trying to look up who they're facing next week. Oh, they're at the Tennessee Titans. Okay. Titans will be off a loss in prime time to the Chiefs. Lock that up. Andy Reed and the Chiefs are going to win. that game. Don't look at me that way.

No, Andy Reid, I think I read yesterday. I could be wrong. 19 and 3 off a by. 20 and 3 off of a buy. Wow. Just obliterate. How great of a coach is he? Give him extra time to prepare. You can't win. And the Chiefs just announced this morning. A couple guys coming back. Trent McDuffie, their number one pick, the cornerback who's very good.

Washington from Washington. And an offensive line. They're getting healthier. Ooh. Here come the Niners. If you're asking today, who's in the Super Bowl? Kansas City and San Francisco rematch. That's what I think it is. Backup would be Kansas City. But Philadelphia getting...

No, Eagles are going to be there. Quinn... So they scored 35 points, and I just saw Jalen Hertz did not throw one pass in the red zone last week. What? I mean, they're just obliterating teams and don't even go to the Red Zone because of the bombs. You know, it goes in twos and threes.

Remember the Dodgers win the series? The Lakers, Tampa had that big year. How about Phillies, Eagles? Philly Union, I know you're a big soccer guy. They're going to the MLS finals. Maybe it's Philadelphia's year. Kevin Dorian? I root for people who are passionate.

Nobody loves sports like Philly. Good for them. All right. Next up, New York Giants, six and two. Thanks for the impressive performances by Sequin Barclay and Daniel Jones. Both guys, by the way, on the last year of their deals, set to hit free agency in 23. GM, Joe Shane said the team is open to extending both of them.

But if it was going to happen, it would be done while they're on the buy this week to avoid distractions, questions throughout the rest of the season. very interesting situation Sequin do you want to keep him? Well generally a running back with an injury injury history right? Yeah like most GMs would not extend him

but who's been there I mean they have no offense No no no tackle Thomas has been outstanding He's been terrific I'm just saying In the NFL there is this sort of narrative or belief Is there a running back Contract extension Off an injury We talked about you can plug in any running back

And he can go bonkers for a couple weeks If Kenneth Walker in Seattle, rookie comes in. Breast Hall comes into... Yeah, but those guys are great. Right, and it's only for a short period of time, and then you have to cycle in a new running back. I don't know. I would not...

I mean, you pay in Sequin Barclay? My takeaway today, I would not extend. Now, what about Danny Dimes? No. But again, there's a momentum... I don't know. I mean, do you think Danny Dimes... You tell me...

If he hits the open market, how many teams are going out of... after Daniel Jones. Nobody. He's a backup at best, I think. Well, even if he's not, your first point, open market, Daniel Jones. What's the market? I don't think there is one. That's just, now, say Juan Barclay, there's a market. How much of a market as a running back. But Seyquan Barclay on the market, absolutely people would love him. He's terrific player. But I don't think Daniel Jones on the market. I agree with you. I don't think it's a huge market. Well, I might as well toss this out there. If you have a quarterback, Daniel Jones or Zach Wilson, who you take?

Daniel Jones. That hurts. That cut deep, cow hurt. Let's just move on. Final story. Russell Westbrook was vocal last season about how unhappy he was not to be playing during key moments for the Lakers. This season, he's coming off the bench.

It's worked the last two games. He's embracing the new role. Here's Russ. It's beneficial for everybody, in my opinion. My job is to find ways to make the team better. Like it. Whatever that is that we need that night, whether it's assisting, rebounding, scoring, defending, I'm a person that prides myself on doing everything each and every night,

and I want to be able to have that trickle-down effect with the guys I'm on the floor with. I love that. That Russell Westbrook, I'm all, that, I like that. Talk is cheap, Colin. Let me see the action. Let me see the action for more than one game. All right. But at least he's saying it.

He was. Yeah, no, listen. Action. Words lead to actions, usually. If he's embracing it, that Russell Westbrook all to face. 24-year-old, I would agree with you. He ain't 24. Hey, he's never even embraced that.

He's never said that. He's never had to. He's always been the focal for, right? Just a triple-double. Hey, when they asked me to be a backup at some point, I'll struggle with it. I mean, thank God that's 20 years away. This guy, what did Joe Clack do to you last segment? No, I mean, off the bench, he's a more productive player.

It's a two-game sample size. Let's dial it back just a little bit on... For six games in and... What if we're six games in and you see that? Oh, six out of 82. Oh, my goodness. Now, I'll say this. I'd rather have Russell Westmore coming off the bench than Kyrie Irving on my team at all.

That should be a note. Wait a minute. You thinking about that? Well, Kyrie is one of the great, Kyrie is an unbelievable offensive player. I'm just not going to build around him. Bring him off the bench and give me 20 minutes. Remember, the Lakers were in talks to maybe we bring Kyrie over,

but everybody was like, well, no, KD doesn't want to play with Russ. I would take Kyrie with the Lakers over, uh, us, but again, I'm not building around him. He's just a piece. Brooklyn tried to build around him. Boston tried to build around him. Pre-Lebrough and Cleveland built around him. You can't build around him, but he can hit jumpers. So you think Kyrie could go from basically building a team in Brooklyn to taking like a second or third seat with the Lakers? I do. Come on, get out of town. Really? Yeah. He's been humbled. I think you're joking. There's no way Kyrie Irving is falling in line with the Lakers. He can shoot. I like guys who can shoot. I take a lot of flog people.

in my life and I just find the assets they can bring to the table. All right, let's just move on. This is... All right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping back. The herd line news. By the way, I think everybody watching would agree with me.

Kyrie or Westbrook tomorrow, who can hit the 22-footer? It's like the guy that can hit the 22-footer. I'm not asking him to lead my franchise, just hit the 22-footer. Isn't it more than a 22-footer? What about the locker room? I mean, the nets are pulling Kyrie Irving away from the media because they don't trust him to not say something incendiary. But he has always been the lead.

leader of the franchise. He's incapable of that. Can you hit a jumper? I watched them with LeBron. He can hit a jumper. And guess what he did it? Five minutes later. He told Tyloo, hey, here's the basketball. You tell LeBron to run the play. I'm out of here. Like, he doesn't want to fall in line. He wouldn't work with Tatum and Brown and Brad Stevens in Boston. He was the leader of that franchise. He's not. LeBron's the king. LeBron's the leader. Get in line. He did it for two years. And he admitted a month ago. Didn't Kyrie admit a month ago? I screwed up Cleveland. He said that. I don't, Kyrie, not my competition. But he acknowledged the first part of that equation.

Westbrook is owning it. I'm a bench player. Kyrie owned it. It was my fault in Cleveland. Actions can become words. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app.

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Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Football Morning in America, Peter King at NBC Sports is joining us live now. We've got about seven minutes here. I want to talk about three things. Let's start with Green Bay. Some of their fans upset, they didn't make a move. What say you on that?

I would be upset too. I mean, you know, how many more years are you going to have Aaron Rogers? And do you want to try to maximize your time with Aaron Rogers? and to me, Chase Claypole was the perfect guy to get for Aaron Rogers, a big target veteran sure-handed, and they apparently got out bid by the Chicago Bears. Now, if they're both offering a two, you can debate whose two is going to be better next year for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I get it. It's not going to be overwhelming, but to not think about, well, we'll throw in a. Yeah, yeah. Or something like that. You know, that is a trade. That trade should have been made by the Green Bay Packer. All right, I like that.

So I like Claypool. And I think he's a good fit for the offense because Mooney's a smaller guy. I like their tight end. They've got a couple of backs. What is the move by the Bears and their GM? What does that say about Justin Fields? I think their design right there is to say, We can use our second round pick in 2024.

And all it's going to cost us is we're going to have to pay Chase Claypool, not top of the market for wide receivers, but near the top of the market for wide receivers, probably in the range of about $20 million a year. But if you do that, you have a guy who, opening day next year is a really, solid guy to build with at a position you desperately needed somebody. Yeah. And I'm a big Mooney guy too, but he's a much different receiver. He's a speed receiver.

Yeah. And I like Claypool because he's a physical target, you know, almost a combination, tight end wide receiver, kind of like Isaiah likely is going to be in Baltimore. But I mean, hey, look. Good for the bears for making this trade. Congratulations to them. They got a good guy for the future. But I really thought the Packers should have stuck their neck out for him.

What do you think, why has the trade deadline activity accelerated so much in the NFL it feels like in the last five or six years? I think it's because you've got a bunch of general managers in their early and mid-40s who aren't afraid. Colin, when I broke into football, covering football, the general managers were arch-conservative guys like George Young. Yeah. Who, and George Young, he's a Hall of Fame guy, so don't get me wrong. He's good at his job. But they treated high draft choices like they were Ming Vazes. And, you know, oh, don't touch those.

Don't touch those. You can't do anything. You got to keep all your draft choices. And now these guys are saying, look at Les Sneed. You know, he, and look at John Lynch slash Kyle Shanahan. If they think they can get an advantage for the next couple of years with a big trade, they'll figure out how to get draft picks down the line. And I think it all started to change, started to change.

It didn't change fast with Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson always felt like I can get. draft choices. Don't worry about that. I'll figure a way to get some if I really need them. But when I want a player, I am going to get a player. My favorite move is actually Quinn, the Bears rush into the Eagles of all of them. And the reason is this. When you play in a team that's trailing, your pass rushing skills can be limited in the fourth quarter. Philadelphia leads games like Vaughn Miller to the Bills or Vaughn Miller to the Rams. He was kind of disappearing in Denver when they were down by two touchdowns late.

Then he goes to the Rams and you're like, I forgot how good Vaughn Miller was. Quinn is now going to a team that grabs leads on everybody. And I said, I would not be shocked. If he doesn't pull a Vaughn Miller like the Rams, we're looking up in playoff games. They lead by seven. Dallas has the ball or the Niners have the ball. Here's Robert Quinn flying around the end making a tackle. That was my personal favorite.

I thought Howie, that's an und. And they gave up like a fourth rounder for him. I'm like, that is a get. Was there one that you loved? Well, I mean, there were two that I thought were really smart. One was the Chiefs getting Cadarius Tony. And again, I think the Giants did well getting a two and a four back for Cadarious Tony. But Cadarius Tony on draft day, 2021, when he was the 21st pick in the draft,

had a lot of people in the NFL swooning and saying basically, oh my God, If we're so bummed out, we didn't get a chance, you know, Cadarius Tony. That's number one. Whatever he gives Kansas City, he gives them a really good piece of insurance for a deep downfield threat. Yeah. And the other thing that I kind of liked, I like Roquan Smith going to Baltimore because I think Roquan Smith is one of these sideline to sideline linebackers. and I'm not saying he's going to be Ray Lewis,

but I do think after Baltimore lost C.J. Mosley, to the Jets in Free Agency, they have really wanted this sideline-to-sideline playmaker for four quarters, and I think Roquan Smith has got a chance to be that guy. NBCSports.com football morning in America. Tight today we are. Peter King, it's great seeing you. Peter. Thanks for stopping by for our audience.

Thanks, Colin. You bet. So much fun. You know, it is interesting. In the NFL draft picks were gold bars, and then you get new data. And it's like in the first round, 25% whiff. I was looking, Albert Breer, I think it was, had something this morning, and I retweeted it. Like he went back to the Baker Mayfield draft, the top eight picks and half were gone, half were extended.

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