The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Kevin Durant, Patriots

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

The market for Kevin Durant is shrinking Is Bill Belichick making a mistake having Matt Patricia be the Patriots OC?   Guest: Bruce FeldmanSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I did a poll at the end of the show yesterday. Hinesfield is now called Accraure Stadium, which is, of course, hideous, especially with a town, a city that loves its football and has such rich dynamic history. and so I asked the audience at the end of the show, Joy Taylor rolled her eyes at it.

I thought it had legs. If you have a bad name, if your parents gave you a bad name, the way to make it cool is shortened. I said yesterday, if your parents named you Bartholomew and you shortened it to Bart, it'd be a cooler name.

So Acrecher stinks. If you shorten it to the sure, we're going to the sure. I thought it was brilliant. No. The audience voted like 70, 30. I stink. So we'll move on.

on. Many of you suggested the AC, ick on the AC. Yuck sounds like AC. You can't do the ACC. So ACRUSHERS the new stadium. You know, listen, they got a check. What are you going to do? The Rooney family got a check. You make move? I don't like it. Jason McIntyre joining me. Joy, a well-deserved time off. Yeah, I mean, it's a, Jason's an easy name. So Cowherd is not a great name. So the minute somebody gave me the nickname, the herd, I just went with that. Yeah. So, you know, I'm not blaming anybody. good parents, but you know, when you get kind of a bad break on the name thing, you shorten it up, you have a chance. I like good parents, but...

Bad name. Yeah, whatever. All right, so let's start with this. So I saw a story this morning that Kevin Durant trade rumors, the heat appear to be the most determined team to get him. You know, it's interesting. Certain times, very, very, you know, it's a fine line between they say confidence and arrogance. It's also a fine line between brilliant and weird. So Elon Musk has crossed a threshold.

For years and years, we looked at Elon Musk as a genius who occasionally said weird things. But now we've learned about his private life. He's getting sued for billions of dollars. The Twitter thing's weird. Now he's crossed a threshold into kind of, kind of toxic. You can still like him, but he's become kind of toxic. I think Kevin Durant has crossed a different threshold. So when Kevin Durant left, there's no market for him right now, not much of one. There really isn't. Brooklyn thought they were getting like six picks and two stars. They said as much.

People don't even want to give up Aunt Edwards for him. So I think he's crossed a different threshold. When he bailed on Oklahoma City, I defended him. I said, it's a small market. He may not like it. And Russell Westbrook is hard to play with. And then he left Golden State, the best culture in the NBA. And I said, wow, bad judgment. Everybody deserves a mulligan in life.

And now four years left after an extension, he wants to bail Brooklyn. Yeah, like he's crossed a threshold. I'm not willing to trade John Morant for him. I'm not willing to trade Aunt Edward. for him. People say, what about the Celtics? Once they got Malcolm Brogden, I'm not messing around with that team. They went to game six of the finals. I'm not messing with them. KD changes the temperature of the franchise. With KD, he's crossed a threshold. The best culture in the NBA by far is Golden State. By year two, according to Draymond Green and others, he was belittling

Kerr complaining about shot selection. If Kady's on your team, at lunch, in the huddle, at practice. You say the wrong thing? May send him off. I can like a guy as a player. But the Warriors culture didn't work. Steph Clay and Dre have been best friends for 10 years. They put their egos aside. Andrew Wiggins, happiest I've ever seen him. Year two, it wasn't working. There was friction. So the question becomes like an Elon Musk question. what environment does work for KD? A dominating personality, Westbrook. Can't play with that.

Selfless stars, but sometimes you don't get every shot. No, it doesn't work with Golden State. He bailed on that. Okay, okay. Play with buddies in Brooklyn. No, he doesn't like that either. So what works? What works?

A lot of teams have dominating stars. A lot of teams have another star. occasionally want to go to take the last shot. I mean, Draymond Green can't be the reason you leave Golden State. He remains tight with Kerr, Stefan Clay, 10 years in, every practice, every game. Year two, you were struggling with it. So there are thresholds that talented guy can cross. When he goes from genius who can be a little wacky to toxic, you've crossed the line.

when he goes from brilliant but a little bit of a wanderer to he just bales he created the mess you just you don't want to play in it so you can't play with friends you can't play with the dominating star you had the best culture in the league and that didn't work i mean Andrew wiggins many of you thought he was a bust i was talking to marcus thompson yesterday as good as any NBA reporter great writer and he covers the warriors a lot he's written a couple books one on kd one on step And I said to him, I said, what is Wiggins now for the Warriors? What is he? And he said it, and it was like a light went off from me.

He said, they now have a core four. It's not Steph Clay, Draymond. It's Steph, Clay, Draymond, Wiggins. That's the culture. Think about this. Marcus Thompson also said this. How often does a guy come to a team and you look at his contract, Wiggins contract, as a liability? three or four years later, you think you're almost stealing him.

I mean, I love Dame. Dame's a smaller athlete, no defense, had some injuries. He's making 50 large. Wiggins's making half that. He's the warrior's best athlete today. He's their most versatile wing athlete. He's making like, what, 23, 25? That was a bad contract.

Because of that culture, it's now kind of a value proposition. So KD's crossed a threshold. I get why the market is shrinking. So interesting. As you know, I have defended golfers who have opted to take their services to the Live Golf Tour. They call it whitewashing. Saudi Arabia has done bad things.

And they're trying to buy good PR. Wouldn't be the first time. So I want to start with this. A couple of different thoughts. The first one's very interesting. I don't have to agree, but it's very interesting. Brandel Chambly works on the Golf Channel, very interesting guy. And he talks about the downside to giving these live golfers,

Brooks Kepka, Phil Mekelson, Dustin Johnson, a zillion dollars, it hurts incentive. Live is different from guaranteed contracts in other sports. In other sports, if Tom Brady gets $500 million to go throw touchdowns and be the star, if his skills diminish, he gets benched. So you have an incentive to stay in front of, well, to be the lead. You're leading the team. You let the team down if your skills diminish.

And we see that play out in sports. So even though the guaranteed money comes up front, this incentive to sharpen that knife never leaves. In golf, it's gone. You got the money. You show up. Dustin got you at $175 million. The entire European tour purse this year, $155.

$155. Now, what incentive does he have to show up? What incentive that Phil Mickelson is 31 over par through the first two live events? I don't know. I didn't watch it. I saw it on social media. 31 over par. And he got paid $200 million?

Where's his incentive to get better? Now, I don't have to agree with that, but it's an interesting point, and he may be right. Let's let it play out a while. But Mickelson and Dustin Johnson have been awful playing golf. Maybe he's right. I'm going to give you another bite. This is from the appropriately named Mawton Slumbas. He's essentially the CEO of the British Open. And he said, I firmly believe

that the existing golf ecosystem has successfully provided stable pathways for golfers to enter the sport, develop, and realize their full potential. Professional golfers are entitled to choose where they want to play and to accept the prize money that is offered to them. I have absolutely no issue with that at all. But there is no such thing as a free lunch. Mottin slumbas. Well, first of all, there is a free lunch. I had one yesterday. It was a seafood salad at Tuscanan, in Brentwood.

An agent bought it for me. It was delicious, so there is a free lunch. Be that as it may, let's get back to golf. Every single golfer who is a professional in this country or any country has devoted his life to golf. It's audacious to claim that Phil Mickelson is now getting a free lunch. or Greg Norman or Patrick Reed or Dustin Johnson or any golfer on any tour. There's a reason golfers backs and wrists and shoulders fall apart at 44.

The repetitive nature of playing and practicing. Golfers are obsessed. You have to be a grinder. You have to eat it, breathe it, sleep it, travel it. So the idea that anybody gets a free lunch is outrageous. None of these men and women on the tour are doing a friend. free lunch thing. Secondly, Mickelson and Greg Norman, these guys have been plans as they were seven years old. They got 40 years devoted to a sport. That's not a free lunch. Just because a rival business

offers you three times compensation doesn't mean it's a free lunch. A free lunch would be you become the only player allowed to go from high school to the NFL without college. That would feel like a free lunch. Everybody else has to have Sabin yelled him for four years. You just go high school pros, get drafted, no college football tunnel. That kind of feels like a free lunch. The Live Tour has offered big money and many have accepted two stars, not a free lunch, and rising stars, who may be younger, but have been playing the sport since they were probably four. Secondly, and this is a really important thing, and I've banged on this over and over. The PGA Tour has a right to be concerned that the future of golf is a little shaky.

But remember, employees sometimes are but often aren't in every business, not about the company. They're about themselves. That's the challenge of running a business. To make your employees feel like they're part of the team, you give them a piece, bonuses, pensions, compensations. We have fewer pensions in America than we've ever had. We used to be a nation of 70% unions. It's down to seven. We don't treat employees as well as we should. Dodger Stadium is going to host an All-Star game.

The young men and women, some old middle-aged that serve you the food in the hot sun, they want more, and they probably, I don't know, the books deserve more. Workers in America used to be more protected. Pensions for virtually everybody. Those are no longer offered. So don't be surprised of American workers and international workers, but let's concentrate in America, sometimes aren't about the company because they don't feel like they get a big enough piece of it. I've done well for myself, and I've always felt like the companies I work for include me.

But make no doubt about it, a lot of these PGA golf players, For this charity that gives only 16% to charity, the top golfers have often believed they're not treated like top golfers. It's a problem for a lot of corporate America. Just remember bosses and owners and general managers. For owners, you feel like, right, you're part of the ecosystem. You got to make that same effort for employees. especially elite employees. All right, a lot of stuff, Bruce Feldman, around the corner.

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I'm saying this earlier. Sabin's talking about competitive balance. What I think he wants to say is that Texas oil money between Sark and Jimbo is hard to overcome for Alabama's economy. He's had now, he's doing a lot of these podcasts and he's going out saying the same thing. This competitive balance. This competitive balance. And my takeaway is, Nick, we've been trying to get you to play a road out of conference

game for like 10 years and you won't. I don't think Nick Sabin. I think Nick Saban senses NIL, there are some big checkwriters out there, and he may not now, Bruce Feldman joining us, he may not have the biggest check riders. Yeah, I think that changes a little bit of the dynamic with recruiting. But like you said, I mean, I think they've won 75% of the national titles in the last 16 years. There is no competitive balance. The SEC has dominated it. I do think you'll see, look, we've seen Louisville this cycle in recruiting have a lot of success because they have been very aggressive.

on the NIL front. They have one or two big boosters. Oregon's got one big booster. Miami's got one big booster. A&M's got two, I've been told. Yeah, and I think it's not just that. I think it also comes into how aggressive are they going to be. And I think when you see some of that,

you know, some of the stuff is going to shake out over the... We're just one year into this. That's right. But I think the landscape right now, some people have been more organized slash aggressive. We've seen it with Tennessee. We've certainly seen it now with Miami. That has made a difference.

and we'll see what it goes like. I think the biggest thing Nick Saban is reacting to is significant change. Coaches are the biggest control feats in football that there are. And I think the idea of something changing the power dynamic and getting a little different, that's the thing that's unsettling for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, players have more power. In the NFL, you kind of know that going to the sport. Like you bake it in the billionaire will make the ultimate decision.

Your GM will bark about personnel and your player may bail on you. So I think you kind of know when you enter the room of the NFL, and Nick would tell you this, it's a different power dynamic. College, the reason you coach college isn't because these guys love recruiting, you control personnel. Yeah, now also, but I talk to a bunch of NFL coaches who want nothing to do with the college way. You have an offseason. You have some sense of a normal life in the summer if you're an NFL coach.

You don't have that. I mean, I constantly hear from the college coaches I talk to how much almost disgusted they are by the recruiting calendar the way it is. So I think that's the dynamic that they don't want any part of. And you've now kind of created even more of a, because now their official visits are happening in the summer. Before they didn't. Now you just have an unofficial visit,

which was probably an annoyance. Some kids in a baseball tournament in your area, and all of a sudden he wants to show up on your campus. Now you've got to go in. It's much different with official visits. It's much different with how the recruiting calendar, because now these coaches, they are offering earlier and earlier.

So I think that has changed how they operate. Yeah. Bruce Feldman joining us. So here's my, USC, UCLA aren't joining for a couple years. So as you sit there and you look around at your program and how to make it easier, I don't buy the winner argument. Here's why.

Because a majority of college football, even in the big tent, is wrapped up by November 16th. USC is going to play UCLA on their final. final game. You're talking winter as in bad weather? Right, right, right. I've heard this, bad argument. Like the West Coast guys don't go to Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State in November. Trust me, I went to college near Washington State. It's cold by November 10th. So the idea of the cold weather, well, USC, UCLA are going to continue playing. So the last game

of the years in L.A., their last potential road game in the Big Ten is November 16th, 17th, 18th. I've been to the Midwest. I've been to Madison then. It's cold. It's not buff, in December. I think the cold weather and I think the travel is a little overplayed. I would disagree on the latter point. The travel from the coaches I've talked to who know guys who have coached at the University of Hawaii, which you're talking about real long trips. And it's not to say that, you know, Hawaii going to play Rutgers. We're not saying that. But in terms of multiple times on trips, multiple times a year, it's one thing for USC to play Notre Dame and go fly into Chicago. It's another thing to do four trips.

like that where you're flying east. Everything I've heard from people in football, it takes a lot out of college teams. And we'll see how that ultimately plays out. I don't think it's as much the weather. I just think it's managing multiple time zone travel. You know, and you look at the Big Ten map. I know where obviously Rutgers, Penn State,

Maryland, those are far east. But a lot of those places, Ohio State is still a long trip. I mean, those are, you have to get through a bunch of states before you get to where the Big Ten is. And I think that will be a challenge for them. I'm not saying they can't win all their road games, but I think I would not gloss over that for people who are saying, oh, yeah, well, they go to Notre Dame every other year.

They do, but they don't go to Notre Dame, and then they don't go to Penn State or they don't go to Purdue or one of these places, which is pretty far away. Michigan State, you know, Michigan. I mean, look where we are compared to where that is. That's not like a direct shot. Well, I'm flying to Chicago tomorrow and I can't wait, Bruce. All right.

Let's go to this one. But you're not playing a football game when you get there. You're probably schmoozing with people and you're drinking. A little different. You nailed both of them, Bruce. Good call. A lot of that schmoozing drinking. All right.

So being from the Pacific Northwest, Oregon's freaking out. Now, I think Oregon's too good not to be in a good conference. I think Utah is too good, not to be in a good conference. I tend to think when, and you said this earlier, when it's sort of fluid right now. And people tend to overreact to change, period, especially control freaks. And so I said this the other day to a friend. I said, in college basketball, men's and women's, we have a template. We let a lot of people into the tournament, and we don't really care where they're from. I mean, Gonzaga is better than any PAC 12 team. It's not a major market.

Three teams come out of that conference and often play very well against the ACC and the Big Ten. Big Ten had nine teams in March Madness. Other conferences have one. But you have a big playoff. What I think this is going to create, it's going to initiate faster than probably would have happened a bigger playoff. And once we get 16 teams in, Bruce, nobody cares where they're from. You'll get four Big Ten.

You'll get six SEC. You'll get two ACC. And you can't tell me if the Big 12-pack-12 merge, Baylor, Oklahoma State, BYU, Houston, Utah, Oregon, Washington, you're going to get three teams into a 16-team playoff. I think this is going to initiate a bigger playoff because there's going to be so much yelling and screaming about,

I mean, come on, you can't, I mean, it's two conferences. And I think a lot of presidents will fight for their schools and say, okay, I didn't want a big playoff, but I'm not going to be precious. My coaches are yelling at me, and we're going to get to a 16-team playoff faster than we thought. I could see 12 teams. I do think there will be expansion because I think there's going to be more money in it.

Now, the issue I would challenge a little bit is to me comparing college basketball to college football isn't apples and oranges anymore. Like there's, it's just for the most part, you know, people don't care about college basketball the way they do college football. They care about the tournament. They care about March Madness. And there's like a window of about a month. where if you talk about Big Ten SEC especially, it's a year-round deal where people care about it. So I think the pushback and some of that, you know,

is probably a little harder to gauge, but I do think that they will eventually go to at least 12 teams because there's going to be way more money in it, right? Like all this stuff that is going on is all because of the money, right? So if you put a huge TV contract down or a bid of what it's going to be, you're going to get way more money for that than you are for four teams, right? because there's more inventory, there's going to be more eyeballs on it, I just think that there is something that they can sell. To me, that's the driver more than anything else.

Now, could there be three teams from a merger if there's the big, for the big 12, pack 12? Yeah, it's possible. I'm not sure, I think it's probably more realistic that maybe there are two. You know, you, you know, as much as those teams you said are really good, they are good from time to time. Some are, Utah has been consistently good. I think when you look at them in terms of who they're going to play, I think they're going to be looked at a little bit along the lines of how Cincinnati was. See, to me, I don't. I think I look at Baylor football as an equal to Texas.

In fact, they've been better than Texas for a difference. They have, but you're looking at it with Texas and OU in their conference. When you take them out, when you take USC if USC is good out, I just think you're not going to get people who are all of a sudden going to give them the benefit the doubt and say there's going to be these teams because they're going to go, who did you beat? And I think that's the thing that's going to be hard. You beat a seven and five TCU team. You beat a seven and five Washington State.

I just think they're going to look at the rest of the league. And that's where I'm not as convinced there's not going to be a lot of pushback on what becomes of these other, of these two leagues if they end up. All right. What's going to happen with Notre Dame? Are they going to join a conference? Eventually, I do think they will. I don't think there's a huge drive for them to do it ASAP and it's imminent, but in terms of they can wiggle out of the grant of rights because they're with the ACC,

which is unwieldy, but for them, they're not tied to it football-wise, so the money is not prohibitive. And I just think if you look at what the Big Ten offers for them, geographically, it makes a lot of sense. Their big art travel is now going to it at USC. I think culturally, academic-wise, I think they see. a lot of parallels with who they are. And I think it will make more sense, more financially.

That will outweigh Notre Dame, just loving the uniqueness and the branding of being the only real independent. I think that ultimately it will be too tempting for them to finally, you know, it may be a few years from now, but I think eventually they will end up in a big time. Maybe I'm just too optimistic. I am very optimistic about college football. I think the big 12, Pac-12 are going to merge. And I think it's going to be a pretty darn good conference.

And I think you're going to have a bunch of Oregon, Utah, Baylor, Oklahoma State. And maybe they're not. I'll give an example. How about this, Feldman, Bruce Feldman joining us. Take out Ohio State, one team. One team. Tomorrow, Michigan, Baylor play. I'm taking Baylor.

Yeah, but that's like a... All right, all right. I'm playing the game. I mean, that's like saying, take out Alabama. And tomorrow, Vanderbilt plays... No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no.

No, no. No, no. No, no, I didn't use Vanderbill. I used Michigan. said the Big Ten is not as good as everybody thinks today and the Big 12 with the Pack 12 would be better. You take out one Big Ten program. Tomorrow Michigan Baylor play. I take Baylor. Tomorrow, Oregon in the Big 12 plays Michigan. I take Oregon. So you don't like Jim Harbaugh. That's what this goes like. I love Arbaugh. My take is, SEC is a different animal. You can go to the fourth team

LSU. They've got more players than anybody. The Big Ten, once you take out Ohio State, last 12, years, look at the first round picks from the Big Ten, it evaporates. Yeah, but look at what you have in the Big 12, what you're talking about. It's not like their draft numbers are lower than any of the leagues. I'm not saying the Big 12 is terrible, but I am saying, you're talking about, well, taking out the biggest heavyweight, and I agree, but I don't think the rest of the Big 12, Big Ten is awful. No, I don't. I mean. No, no, no. That's not my argument. It isn't awful. It's not dominating. I still think it is better than the Big 12. It is.

because, I mean, you're talking about Baylor, by the way, the team, and look, a lot of respect to Dave Miranda and to Matt Ruhle for rebuilding that program, that was a team that won two games the year before, right? So, and you look at this, the team that was one of the best teams in it, you know, going into last year, Iowa State just had its best season ever. They won seven games last year. I don't think, you know, Texas were getting, you know, excited about them. They won five games last year. This league, Oklahoma State has been consistently very, very. good. Yes.

TCU fell down in the last few years. Oregon's good. Utah's good. Baylor's good. Oklahoma's good. Baylor's good last year. Baylor was horrible the year before. Horrible.

That was about a year. Michigan was horrible not too long ago. Not to the degree Baylor was. I'm just saying. Mr. Optimism over here. Okay. I just, we've marginalized if you put in the Pact 12 and the big 12 together, I think the top six teams are.

all top 25 programs. And if you take out Ohio State, that's about what you have in the Big Ten. Who you, Alex, so tell me without USC and UCLA, you said Oregon and Utah, who else do you get excited about in the PAC 12? Well, I mean, outside of Ohio State. No, no, in the PAC 12, in the PAC 12. Not many, but I'm saying if you take the best three. I mean, Stanford has fallen apart in the last few years. You know, Washington really fell apart. I mean, you're looking at that league. I mean, it is really dwinded. now. Yeah, I think Utah good. Oregon has recruited well after that.

And by the way, Oregon has a new coach. We'll see how that's going to go. But it's like there are questions about these programs. I just don't, I don't think. Arizona State, horrible, dealing with a standle. I mean, I don't, I think when you expand the playoff, we don't, we won't give a rip. Like in college basketball

right now, I don't give a rip. I couldn't care about the conferences. I care about March Madness. The minute you expand the playoffs, we're not going to care as much about the conferences because you know the top four are going to go from the Big Ten and the top four to five. So if you're good, you'll get in. And I think Oregon and Baylor and Utah will still have an absolute great shot to get in because they won't have to play as tough as schedule.

The college football history is we always want a Cincinnati in. We always want a little guy in even if they don't have the person. That was my point a minute ago, whereas Cincinnati, if things broke right, look, Cincinnati's going to the Big 12. I think some of the teams they've scraped up are good. Good. And that will help. But my point is, if you look at what's left in the PAC 12,

I just have a harder sell saying, yeah, it's similar to what we're looking at the Big 10 or similar. It's nothing close to the SEC. But the Big 12 doesn't want all the PAC. They just want Oregon, Washington, Utah. That's what they, and by the way, they'd probably take, now they wouldn't take Stanford. Big Ten would take Stanford because of the academics. Well, that's a different topic. I mean, do they want to split the pie with another?

I don't know about that. All right. Well, they want Notre Dame. Yeah, well, that makes sense. Everybody wants Notre Dame. Yeah. Nobody wants to hear that, but people do want Notre Dame. All right, that's a lot of stuff.

We knocked it out of the park there, Feldman. That was good work by you. Jason McIntyre with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. On to the NFL, why Drew Pearson, former Cowboys legend, says Mike McCarthy of Dallas is on the hot seat. Colin, Mike McCarthy, these only coached are two years.

but they did have a lot of turnover in the offseason in Dallas. You know, Amari Cooper now gone. We know the turnover margin. They were number one in the NFL last year. Like everything broke right for Dallas. This is the same thing. This is the same thing. Well, here's the same thing with Westbrook.

Westbrook in Washington, everybody kind of supports him. Westbrook with the Lakers when you watch their games, now he gets unraveled, right? Because now we see Westbrook every night with LeBron. Mike McCarthy coaching right now Atlanta. But when he coaches the Cowboys and butchers that clock with the Dax slide, that's a whole different ballgame. Be very careful about taking the high-profile job.

Maybe you make more and get talked about more. You're going to get criticized and judged more. Yeah, so what do you think? Kellen Moore, everybody loves him as the offensive coordinator. You know, Jerry Jones really, really loves him. So your guess is McCarthy this year. Are they going to win the division? What's your outlook for Dallas?

My outlook is by November. There'll be questions. Look at their schedule. It's brutal early. And Jerry Jones will let him finish. the season, but this will be his last season. Spicy. I like it. All right, let's move on to the AFC. The Buffalo Bill's

Super Bowl favorites, tight end Dawson Knox, who we talk about on this show all the time, obviously, Dawson Knox. Everyone's dream to play with a quarterback like Josh Allen. Let's hear the audio. I mean, it's every receiver, tight end, running back. It's everyone's

dream to play with a guy like that. I mean, he can, you know, put the ball 70 yards down the field or throw off his back foot, back across him, or make plays with his legs and extend plays. There's nothing that guy can't do. I mean, we've seen him stiff-armed de-ins to the ground. He's jumping over linebackers and, you know, just trucking guys.

It's insane. He's the perfect leader for us. He's not necessarily the rah-rah guy in the locker room, but the way he plays and the way he leads by example, second in line. I think literally there's not a quarterback in the NFL, and I always felt this about Big Ben in Pittsburgh that fits his city. small town kid, big physical player, arm equipped to cut through Buffalo's winners, not a glamour seeker, regular family, no quarterback in the league fits his team better than Josh Allen.

I felt Big Ben for years. Big was like, Ben was like unshaved. He was a little, little bit of a, you know, he always felt his offseason. A blue collar. Yeah, blue collar, drinking a little beer. It feels like Pittsburgh. This kid is Buffalo. He's perfect. To what Dawson Knox said, if you could play with any quarterback, you're a high school quarterback, right?

Very bad. Let's say you were a receiver. Would you want to play with Josh Allen, or what about Herbert? They're all great. We have seven great quarterbacks in the league right now. I know you're a Russell Wilson guys, but I won't go there. All right, Colin, moving on on the final story. This one, not as good news for the Kansas City Chiefs. Orlando Brown Jr., their big left tackle, not close to a long-term deal, will apparently be franchisional. tagged. Colin, I don't know.

What are you thinking about the Chiefs? The offensive line was bad two years ago in the Super Bowl. Remember Mahomes got destroyed by the Bucks. They rebuilt it last year. To have Brown unhappy, looks like a holdout is coming for him. Well, I pick him to be a wild card team anyway. Listen, it's

there's five positions now. You and I talked about this before the show today. There are five positions I'm going to pay for. Quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, corner, and a weapon. You've got pay him. If he was a guard, nope, linebacker, pass, safety,

tight end, maybe except Travis Kelsey. If you really look at what Buffalo is doing, what the Rams are doing, Cincinnati is now doing, San Francisco, there are positions to pay, and I think left tackle is one of them. Just going off your checklist, they lost Tyree Kill in the off season.

Now their left tackles unhappy. Honey Badger's not really a corner, but in the secondary. He's gone to New Orleans. There's a turnover for the Chiefs, Colin. So you said Wildcard, you have them second in the AFC West? Denver, Kansas City both make the playoffs. And it's not a knock, but I do think when you lose a field tilter like Tyreek Hill, there's a development stage.

They got a really good young receiver out of college. And I think the division's so good, if you don't win in September, October as you're developing that offense, they're just going to lose some games because the division's so good. I didn't hear you say Chargers. I don't know if Brandon Staley defensive coach is the guy. I can like a team in their roster, not know if it works. Now, that's going to be interesting. That division is loaded, Colin.

Good stuff, Jason, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Interesting story, proving a point that if you don't have a quarterback, even if you're a great coach, it unravels really quickly. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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I do think it's going to work. They're just too talented offensively with a really smart guy from San Francisco now running the show. Whether he's a great head coach or not, you never know with coordinators. But they're going to be better offensively. If you did an all-star team in this conference, you just took the AFC East

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