The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Kyler Murray, Patriots, Daniel Jones

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

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It was, you know, reasonably close at half. But in all year years of working with people, when you had the big lead, you've worked on digital here at Fox. It's very hard to have great chemistry when the people you work with have very unpredictable personalities. I would rather work with people that are a little more limited, but I know what I get. Right? Like somebody's, they're a B to a B plus, but I get the B to B plus instead of A, C, D, A, C, I don't like inconsistency. So you watch Brooklyn last night.

So everybody freaks out about Jordan, Poole, and Draymond Green. But Golden State has one issue to work through and 20 answers. Brooklyn has one answer, Kevin Durant's great, and 20 questions. They're not going to be consistent because Ben Simmons' personality and Kyrie's personality, you can't build consistency and chemistry with inconsistent people in my life. It's really, really hard. And, you know, I said this. I would have traded Kyrie Irving for a great player off the bench and a low-end starter.

that gave me great defense. But last night's a prime example. I know it's one game. It looked like last year. Katie, 32 points and 32 minutes was great. Kyrie's brilliant, but 0 for 6 on 3s. He was inconsistent. Ben Simmons is still afraid to shoot.

Eight Nets had more shots. And I don't know if Steve Nash can coach. You bring the band back together. Guess what? The music sounds the same. We're trying to, everybody's like, listen, they just got to get some chemistry. In your life,

look at your family. Is there somebody in your family that is a lot to handle, like personality-wise? Do you have great chemistry with them? No, because you never know what you get. You never know what you get with Kyrie. And so when I, everybody's freaking out about Golden State, the warriors who used to be the place Kevin played, and this is why I said, it's the biggest mistake I've ever seen a superstar make leaving the warriors.

The warriors are nothing but answers. they have one incident to work through. The Nets have one thing player they can count on. It's nothing but question marks. And by the way, Colin, the guy you said they can count on, Kevin Durant, he asked for a trade a few months ago. He wants out. I'm just wondering when the wheels are going to fall off for the Nets.

Is it Halloween? Like, is this going to be very early Thanksgiving? Christmas? Because it's coming. We're four years into this. And it's the exact. same thing it was the first day. Kevin Durant's great and there's nothing else I can count on. It's the exact same team. They got rolled last night by the seventh to eighth best team in the

West at home. They were at home. Got absolutely rolled. And so, you know, and you can't convince me that, listen, I think Ben Simmons should fit. But last night was another example is Kevin Durant is going to keep driving to the arena with no idea what he gets every night from Kyrie and Kevin and Ben Simmons. But, you know, Durant's the good soldier. Durant's saying the right stuff. Here's what he said about Ben Simmons last night. You worry at all that after a performance like tonight that he might get a little more

frustrated than usual given the way he played and the hype that surrounded it. He's a veteran. You know, we got a long season ahead of us. We got 81 more of these. And it's going to be plenty of things. games. We all don't have great games. It's just the nature of our job, but it's about just bouncing

back and coming to work tomorrow and figuring it out. I honestly feel like they keep bringing the band back. They add a piece to the band, a new manager, new drummer. It's the same music. It's the same team. Kevin Durant on an island. Unbelievable. Always

dependable. 32 points. 32 minutes. Looks to be in great shape. Hustles on the defensive end. And question marks. all over the roster, four years in. Greg CoSell, 43 years at NFL films. He joins us every Thursday, top of our second hour. All right, so the NFL has shown they can be wildly successful and grow,

even without L.A. teams, right? Like they didn't have L.A. So they don't need New York to win. But it is fun. It is great. It's a great city and a great sports city, and they're kind of both winning the same way, which is defense and young coaches.

So let's start with the Jets, who I don't completely buy into yet. But let's start with the Jets. What's their secret sauce? What is the tape say about the Jets? Well, what the tape says about the Jets and you have to start with their defense, even though obviously everybody wants to start with quarterbacks, their defense, particularly their front six when they're in their nickel, is very, very good. Their front is outstanding.

Quinn and Williams is playing at a high. level. Franklin Myers plays outside, inside. He's a very good player. Sheldon Rankin's is a good player. They do a lot of things. They stunt. There are games up front. And the two linebackers in the nickel, Quincy Williams and Mosley are playing really well, particularly Quincy Williams. So they're fast, they're active, they play hard, they do a lot of things. And Gardner is playing very well at corner. The thing that's really impressive with Gardner is he was a press corner, a press boundary corner in college. And with the Jets, he has really transitioned beautifully to playing off-covered zone with a really strong sense of formation and route recognition with eye discipline.

He certainly plays snaps of press man, but in the NFL, you have to do more, and he's transitioned beautifully. So this defense will continue to get better more than likely and keep them in games as the offense grows. All right. You can see good coaching, and we saw Brian Dayball's coaching with Josh Allen. He cleaned up a really talented kid. He refined him. He sandpapered. He cleaned him up. So I'm not a huge fan of Daniel Jones, but what is the tape say that Day Bowl is doing with him, Greg? Well, what the tape tells you, and again, because Jones does not throw for a lot of yards and they don't score a ton of points, it's easy to assume that Daniel Jones is not playing well, Colin. But Jones is actually throwing the ball very well.

He's making critical third down throws. And keep one. thing in mind. The O line is still a work in progress. The rookie right tackle Neil is going through ups and downs. And they're receiving core, you know, is David Sills. It's Marcus Johnson. It's, they just got Wondale Robinson back. He was a draft choice and he will help. But Jones stands firm in the pocket. He's tough in the pocket. And he's making critical third down throws. They're in a lot of close games. Yeah. Because they don't score a lot, but they have a great decoordinator in Wink Martindale. So he keeps every game together. And Jones is making just enough for those critical throws. And he's being efficient. You know, he's not turning it over

and its completion percentage is high. He's completing passes. So he's playing a lot better than people probably assume. All right. That's great. Okay. There's a couple of mysteries in the NFL. One of them is, what the heck happened to Arizona's offense? Now, Kyler is getting yards. I mean, he, he, he, last week, I see some production, but there is something about that red zone. What is not working to you with Arizona? They get DeAndre Hopkins back. That could help. Yeah.

I got to tell you, Colin, you said the right word. They are a mystery to me when I watch their tape. And I'm just being honest. Look, every team has a plan. I'm not smarter than the coaches. These guys work and work and work. They know their personnel certainly better than I do. But when I watch their tape, I struggle at times sitting in my office here at NFL

films trying to figure out what it is. they're trying to get done rhythmically. You know, there's always individual plays. Every offense, and those are the highlights we see, great individual plays. But there's just no sense of continuity and stability to what they're getting done. And last year and the year before,

they, I think, were among the league leaders and playing with four wide receivers on the field. They've been hurt at the wide receiver position. They get D.H. Hop back tonight. A.J. Green is back. Maybe that will be their answer. That is clearly a part of the original. air rate approach to offense with playing with four wide receivers and one back.

Maybe that will get them settled down. I don't know, but they've been a difficult offense to watch. You can simply rely on spectacular second reaction improvisational plays as the foundation of an offense. So I got under this rant yesterday. The NFL is down by seven and a half points per game in scoring in two years, and the big plays are gone. And I said, I don't have an answer for it.

One of my beliefs is the league has become so quarterback-centric, people are over-drafting quarterbacks, want them to play early, they're simply not ready to play. So I mean, Justin Fields had one great year of college football starting. And I watched it last week, and I said, coming into the season, I said, I'm going to give this kid a much longer tarmac. I don't like their own line. One receiver I like, decent backs, a defensive coach. And this organization hasn't drafted well offensively forever. So I'm going to give him a lot of tarmac.

But when I watch him, this is just my eyes, I see somebody that doesn't love sitting in the pocket the minute it gets a little muddy. And that's the league. So what does the film say? He's got like 15, 16 starts. What does the film say? Yeah. Yeah.

And he's obviously had a new coaching staff, had to learn new things. I'll just tell you what the tape shows. He has moments where you say, okay, I think he has a chance. But overall, what the tape generally shows is poor eye level, lack of timing and anticipation, kind of an unwillingness to turn it loose, doesn't really work through progressions with the speed and clarity you'd ideally like to see. Leaves throws on the field, you kind of mention that by saying that he tends to break down at the first flash of color. So the question is, are these fatal flaws, or can they, be cleaned up over time. None of us really know the answer to that. I will say this. It's always

easier to say that, you know, he doesn't have great receivers or the O line is a work in progress, which it clearly is. But when you evaluate a quarterback, and I learned this early on from people smarter than I, Colin, you have to evaluate the quarterback. You have to isolate the quarterback and evaluate him. The other stuff is fine and it can help with numbers, but you have to evaluate the quarterback. So we'll see. You know, I'm not one. to say after less than a year of a number of starts with a new coaching staff that he's can't play in the league. But I agree with you to a certain extent. The eye test right now is not promising. So this week, we went into the meeting and sometimes perception's not reality. I look

at the cults and I think they're a bit of a mess. And yet they're three, two, and one with a win over Kansas City. So my perception is, oh, everybody's going to get fired. And I'm like in that division, they may win this division out of attrition. So Matt Ryan came in, and again, my perception is he looks old, it's not working. But they are a little bit of a throwback team. You know, when I watch them, they rely on stuff. A lot of teams don't. Is this team figuring it out?

Because they may just win their division just on, they're just better at what they do than everybody else in that division. Well, they've been playing around with their old line, and they started the rookie Raman, two games, I believe, and he got benched and they ended up putting a veteran Dennis Kelly at a left tackle. They moved people around. Their O-line played its best game this past week against Jacksonville. But what they have, they certainly have a veteran quarterback in Matt Ryan, but they have tremendous size, Colin, at receiver, including tight end. When you go with

Campbell, Pierce, and Pittman, they're all six one and a half, six two and above. The rookie Jalani Woods is 6-7. Mo Ali Cox is 6-6. This automatically gives you some match-ups. And Matt Ryan understands what open is in the NFL. He throws the ball. He's not unwilling to turn it loose if a receiver appears covered because he knows that in this league, covered can be open depending on who your receiver is. And they're going to get Jonathan Taylor back. So this could be, could be an ascending team. And when I say ascending, we're not talking about, you know, they're the Buffalo Bills. But this is a team that I think will get better.

Matt Ryan's been through a lot of wars in this league. He knows not to panic. You just keep playing football. But they've got a really interesting group of skill position players that are going to be difficult to defend. Okay, I want to talk about the Niners, Atlanta. Let's start with Atlanta. So I looked at this team and thought, listen, they got, they got Drake London, they'll get Ridley back, they got pits, they got some offensive pieces. They're bringing in Marioota.

He can't stay healthy. they'll be a bit of a mess. Not that they're tanking, but they're going to be a top three pick. And then I watch them. Now, Niners were beat up, but I watched them, and I'm like, Arthur Smith, they've got a surprising number. I looked it up last week of big plays. And I'm like, where are these coming from?

I know. So Arthur Smith is this offensive guy that we're not talking about. We're talking about McVeigh and Shanahan and the guy up in Minnesota because they're winning. What do you see here with this offensive mind in a little? Atlanta. Well, what's fascinating is they only play with three wide receivers on less than 20% of their snaps. Think about that in this league and in this age of offense. So they're an odd team to watch offensively because they get some big plays here and there, but you don't come away from their tape saying, wow, this is an explosive offense. Man, they are just gashing it in the run game and they're just pushing it down the field. But Mar Mario is very careful with the football. They scheme plays extremely well. Arthur Smith was very good at that when he was the OC in Tennessee.

He manufactures. He orchestrates big play opportunities, and Mario daisy is producing those. They won't throw it a lot. When was the last time a quarterback was an NFC or AFC player of the week throwing 14 balls? You know? I mean, that's what Mario was last week. Yeah. But they're very good scheming situationally.

and because they play at a base personnel so much, that makes them difficult for teams to prepare for in a short week. You know, you only get really three days or so to prepare for a team. And when a team is different in how they play, they're tougher to prepare for. Now, in this game, I did think the Niners were poised for trouble. They were on the road out there. They stayed out there. They were missing 11 starters.

They're getting two or three back. I love the Niners, but man under Shanahan, they can't stay healthy. but, but this was a winnable game. What went wrong? They got out of whack offensively. You know, you and I, we've talked Garoppolo in this offense for years now. And you and I both know that they can't have Jimmy Garapolo drop back 42 times and have 13 called runs. They can't play like that.

And by the way, it was 14, 14 at the half. And then the Falcons did score on their first drive of the third quarter, but that only made it a one-score game. The issue for them, in my mind, based on tape, is the lack of consistent sustainability in their run game. They've gotten some big plays in the run game, Colin, but this team needs to be ahead of the sticks with their run game. And that's not happening enough. You know, obviously Trent Williams has been out. He may be back this week. They're playing a second year first-time starter at left guard.

They're rotating at right guard. They're playing a center that I think the tape shows is probably not a starting center in the league. So they're having some concerns on the offensive line, and that is preventing them from generating the sustainability with their run game that is truly the foundation and driving force of what they are and what they need to do. So you did a lot of breaking down the Bills in Chiefs game. So what is, give me one thing that stood out on tape to you in that. The defense of the bills and what they did on third down. They rushed three. They played two man coverage, meaning man coverage with two deep safety.

and they use Matt Milano as a spy. They did that on almost every third down, and it was very, very effective. That's something they, you know, don't do hardly at all, but they did it specifically for Patrick Mahomes because Patrick Mahomes is probably the best trick shot artist in the NFL in terms of moving and making those kinds of throws. And he made some in the game, but obviously not enough. They only scored two touchdowns. And it was, I thought that really stood out. They clearly game planned specifically for the Chiefs, and they did a really, really good job with something they had not really shown much of before. Gabriel Davis has really emerged in the last year and a half as not Stefan Diggs,

but a great number two option. Plus Knox is a terrific tight end. So give me your play of the week from this game. Yeah, Davis is a vertical threat, and I think that's the critical part because Diggs can get vertical based on route running savvy, but he's not a true burner. Davis can get vertical. And I wanted to show the touchdown, which we can look at at the end of the first half. It was an unbelievable drive by Josh Allen and the bills.

Obviously, the play out of the end zone was ridiculous. But here's the touchdown to Davis at the end of the first half. And this really stood out to me for a couple of reasons. So we're going to start, and you're going to see Josh Allen. He's in the shotgun, which he almost always is. And he has Knox and Singletary offset in the backfield. They're anticipating pressure. That's why they did this.

Here's what Alan sees. He sees the safeties, but look at the safety to the boundary. He's on the hash. He's inside. So right now Alan's thinking, I've got Gabriel Davis against the rookie Joshua William on the outside. But I need to confirm that after the snap of the ball. Now, there's seven in the box right now.

But there could be more. They could all come. Some could come. So what happens? They're going to come. This is going to be zero blitz. Okay? they all come. Notice that that safety has now moved inside the hash toward the middle of the

field. So now Josh knows for sure I've got one-on-one on the outside. I've got Davis, my speed guy, against a rookie corner. So that's the throw I'm going to make. And obviously, it's a perfectly thrown ball. You couldn't have handed it to him any better. So this was really a great understanding by the offensive staff of anticipating pressure. That's why two are in the backfield for pass protection because you do not have a passing game, Colin, if you cannot protect, and then just great execution overall. By the way, I told you, the NFL is down from two years ago. A touchdown a game.

Big plays are out. I theorize we're overdrafting quarterbacks. They're playing too early. That is part of it. And we're going through a transition period of some older guys leaving, some young guys coming in. That's my interpretation. If I said to you, that's a lot. Scoring's down to touchdown.

Is it O line play? Is it defensive changes? What's the tape saying why we're seeing less firepower? I would say O line play is a big factor. O line play requires cohesion. Blitzing is up quite a bit this year. So what happens is offensive lines take a lot of time because we have less preseason time.

We know that now. And that takes a lot of cohesion to handle blitz. And because blitzing is up, it's very difficult to handle all that, the communication necessary. You can't change protection in the middle of a play, but you can adjust in the middle of a play, just physically adjust is what I mean,

not tactically. And I think that that, I don't want to say that's the factor. There's probably many more we could talk about another time, but I think that is a factor for sure. Good stuff, Greg Kosell, NFL films, 43 years. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Colin.

Appreciate it. You bet. That's what we talked about yesterday, is the collective bargaining, guys don't wear pads, now starters don't. You know, Sean McVeigh is such a, unique catalyst for stuff in the NFL. He literally changed preseason. We used to have four

preseason games. We have three. That's Sean McVeigh. McVe said, I'm not playing starters, and they got off to an eight and no start. And then, because he was the kind of golden child of the league, the young coach at 32, 33-0, all the young guys started copying him. Some of the old guys, you know, your Bruce Ariens still wanted to play some starters or Tomlin. And so think about what happened. So McVeigh doesn't play starters. Years ago, we always got starters. So McVe says, nope, no starters. And they win a lot. And so it takes somebody with a little courage, a little bit of a visionary,

that says, we're not going to do it this way. So now the league follows suit. And now the NFL has reduced the number of preseasones. But there's duality. There's a bad side to everything. The bad side is offensive linemen need to play in preseason. It's the most cohesion-driven, most difficult unit to form. On a defensive line, the edge rusher, your job is to blow stuff up and get the quarterback.

defense is mostly blowing stuff up. Offense is choreography, and there's no more specific cohesion-based unit than O-line. They don't play in the preseason. And because they don't play in the preseason and have those hits, there's a lot of, you know, what do they call them, soft muscle, soft tissue injuries. So like the Denver O-line, a mess, San Francisco's beat up, a mess. The Chargers beat up. The Rams beat up.

So McVeigh's accent. paying the price this year for something he created. Old linemen don't play in the preseason much, and why are the Rams bad? Because their own line's not healthy. So even McVeigh is facing the dilemma that his brilliant and vision created, which is why are we playing these great players early? We don't need them. College football doesn't have a preseason.

Why does the NFL need four games? And he's right. But I think it's really affected O-line play. I never even cared about online play until about five years ago. It's gotten bad to worse very, very quickly. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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and everybody in the world's talking about it. So he got called out by Ben Rothesberger. He got called out by Eric Mangold here earlier on our show. And now, Colin, James Jones has fired back at Big Ben for firing at Tom Brady. Here's what James Jones said. I wish I was sitting there watching the game with Big Ben because I would have said, Big Ben, shut up. Because Tom Brady, if it's anything we know about Tom Brady,

Tom Brady going to give you everything he got, right? If you didn't care, he ain't going to be yelling at his lineman, dropping all them F-bombs and all that. And for Big Ben to say that, you are the king of looking like you don't care out there. Every time you get hit, every time something go bad, your body language is the worst out there. And I've seen it with my own two eyes on the same field competing against you. So for him to say this about Tom Brady knowing that,

it ain't about the passion that Tom Brady plays with. So for Big Ben to say that, that's crazy. Yeah, he's not wrong. I mean, the knock on Ben was he was never committed. He wasn't committed in the offseason. He was constantly complaining about drama. I mean, Big Ben's obviously a great player. But I never felt he was committed like Brady was or Manning was or Breeze or Russell Wilson

or like right now like Lamar Jackson. like whether you like him or not, Lamar Jackson literally every year shows a sign of improving. Like he's totally committed. So, you know, Ben is obviously great, but I always felt with Ben, he was great given about 80%.

Like he was, his off seasons were Jay Glazer made fun of him and Glazer's very pro player. They were like legendaryly casual. Now, Jones is coming on the show later in next hour. But I gotta be honest. Like, when was the last time you saw a wide receiver

yell at a Hall of Fame quarterback? I'm curious if that's really happening. And I can't think of one instance. You know, maybe Odell Beckham and Eli Manning, but a lot of people think Eli Manning may not be a Hall of Famer. I think two Super Bowl wins. Come on. But wide receivers don't usually yell back.

Like, shut up. Des Bryant did with Dak. Des Bryant was really aggressive with Dak. Early on. Yeah, and by the way, they moved off him. They moved off Des. They did. Yes, that's good point.

All right, next up. No, what are we talking about next? Dack Prescott, as a matter of fact. Nice segue there, Cowherd. DAC is on track to return. Cowboys are big favorites over the one and four lions. And Dallas coach, Mike McCarthy, says no one on the team is overlooking their opponent. If you look at their players and offensive line, the runoffice, the running backs, their perimeter, the quarterback.

So, I mean, this is an extremely challenging offense for us. And then you dive into their defense and they're doing some things unique on defense. that we just haven't seen much of this year. And special teams may be their best, you know, maybe the best unit we competed against us for this year. So that's the reality of this league. You know, we don't fall into the trap of looking at the record. Well, I will say, when Detroit's O-line is healthy,

they'll slow Dallas's defensive front. So it should be a reasonably competitive game. Jared Goff struggles with pressure, but when that O-line is healthy, it's actually a really good old line. And they had about a three-game swath here where everybody was hurt. And they were all offensive guys. Now their offensive guys are coming back in.

I think it's a competitive game. Yeah, I'll take a nibble on the Lions' money line to outright upset the Cowboys in Dak Prescott's return. All right, Colin, final story. Let's go back to the NBA. Paolo Banquero, the first overall pick in the draft. Boy, he looked good for the Orlando Magic Last night. I just dunk it all over everybody. The kid out of Duke, 25 points,

oh, sorry, 27 points, nine boards, five assists. They did lose to the Pistons. He's the first number one pick since, wait for it, LeBron James to have 25, 5, and 5 in his debut. There also have been only three number one picks to hit those numbers since 1969.

The other guy's this guy named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Well, we said before the draft, if you had one pick, you pick him. if you had multiple OKC, you could argue that Chet Holmgren was such a unicorn, roll the dice on him. But this was the number one pick. Now they've got Jalen Suggs who played well last night. He did look good. Yeah.

So now they've got their guard. He's a big guard. Now they've got their wing. Don't forget about Franz Wagner. He's a nice little player. No, I mean, they've got, by the way, this, these are fun teams. When you have, like, Cleveland's a little bit of this. Cleveland's ahead of Orlando

because they added Donovan Mitchell and they bought it in Jared Allen but this is what Cleveland was a couple years ago when they had like Sexton and then you bring it Evan Mobley last year and then you garland and you're like wow we've got like three foundational pieces so Orlando's got arguably

three foundational pieces I think in the east if they're healthy can be can they be a playing in game team I think they can be they should sniff it they should sniff it right they should sniff the playing territory but it's exciting If you're in Orlando, we've got our 10-year guard plus, we got our wing, and we got a big we like. They're actually watchable right now.

Something is you have not been able to say about that franchise in a while, Colin. Good stuff. J-Mack with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I was thinking about this. We talked about this during the commercial break.

Kauai Leonard is on a minute's restriction tonight for the Clippers, and you and I disagree on this. So if owners are going to keep adding layers of playoffs and games, so these leagues all make a fortune, there's no reason to add an NFL game. It is only to make the owners richer. And if you're going to keep adding layers to playoff baseball, that is only to make the owners richer. Well, if I am an entity and a great player,

I don't have to buy into that. I can say, I'm going to play 16 NFL games, not 17. I'm going to on that week I could play, couldn't go either way, I'd probably pull back. I don't think I'm being a bad team player. So if we're going to keep adding layers to all these sports, don't be shocked if sometimes players are going to play less. Like if I ran the Clippers, I'm not playing Coi Leonard 82 games. I'm going to play him 22 minutes for the first month, 26 for the next, and then we'll see

where he's at. There's no reason to rush him back. The Clippers are going to make the playoffs. Seating doesn't matter. a ton in the NBA. These are long seven-game series. The Clippers are good enough to win on the road. I'd like to quibble with the word rush him back.

Kawhi Leonard hasn't played an NBA game in 17 months. Which is like Ben Simmons. 17 months. You've got NFL players returning off in Achilles in like eight months. Kawhi Leonard has been out for 17 months and now he wants to be on a minutes restriction. Well, well, does he want to be

on it or is the franchise saying what's the value of 37 minutes with Kauai? what's the value? This team is deep and versatile. They're very good. They're a much better team than the Lakers. You'll see it tonight.

So everybody wants to bang on the at, like I said, with Zion. His game is not layered enough right now in the NBA. The way he plays with Torque, I would scale him back to 27 minutes a night, and I would play him 68 games. Well, definitely no back-to-backs for Zion. Certainly not, right? Like Kauai. What's the value of playing him 38 minutes if I can win and he plays 24?

The counter is he's the leader of your team. He's the highest paid player on your team. He's supposed to be an all-N-B-A guy, former finals MVP. Everybody looks to Kauai Leonard as the leader, and he's playing half the games. Well, let me ask you this. If this network said, Colin, we want you to do now a Saturday show. And I'm like, well, the Monday through Friday schedule is working. I know, but there's revenue.

Well, you're adding, you know what? I take more Wednesdays off. What, why? The only reason you're adding layers and games in playoffs, is just, it's like stadiums. If stadiums were good for cities, owners would build them

and keep all the profits. I mean, think about stadiums. If stadiums were these great resources of income for owners, they would buy, they wouldn't let the cities have any say in this. They would just build them. But owners want to pay like 15%.

Then they want bonds, share, you know, then they want the public. Taxpayers. They want taxpayer. Why? because new stadiums don't make the revenue everybody claims they do they don't you blow them up after 25 years I mean the way they're doing it now if the way sweets have changed they get outdated very quickly so like like I'm going to decide with the employees and the athletes when you're talking we keep

adding layers to all these sports Kauai Leonard's like I don't need to play any two games I need to play 66 we'll get into the playoffs and be healthy so listen I don't know how much I want to disagree with you on this, but I feel like, listen, Colin, how are you going to get that team unity and the chemistry and the bonding when you're barely playing half the game? They got a new guy, John Wall, who may start at point card? Paul George, you know, this is year four of Paul George and Kawai.

We're not, we haven't won Jack Squat. Nothing. We're not talking Brooklyn, where Kyrie played, where their stars played eight games together. I'm saying they can play 50 together, and I'm saying fewer minutes. I'm not asking you to play eight. I mean, Kyrie Irving literally with the vaccination thing, like literally they never played together. I'm just saying the idea that guys off injury or guy, if I was an agent or a player in the NBA, 82 games, how about baseball? I mean, we forget this.

Everybody doesn't like that players make as much money as they do. George Brett was my favorite player growing up. Love George Brett. He was a player for the Kansas City Royals, just a great baller third. I love George Brett. George Brett, Google it now. Miss 30 games a year. Nobody cared because he didn't make big money.

Because these athletes make so much money, we want him there every night. I would argue there were so much money now. The leagues are expanding now. There's more games now. There's more pressure now. They should be scaling back. You don't get Zion every game. Sorry, you don't.

The sports can't all be about the rich guys at the top getting richer. You've got to defend athletes. You've got to defend employees on them. I'm not playing Co-I-Lenard 38 minutes tonight. There's no way I'm playing in that. 38 is 38's pushing. I'm not playing him 34. How's this? Lakers win outright tonight.

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Nobody has the Eagles. They're off this weekend, so it's all attention on the Phillies. It's going to be a big, big weekend in Philly. I'm worried about San Diego. So I work for the Padres right out of college. Yes. Front office or? No, I was a sales guy and I did the ending of play-by-play for the AAA franchise.

But I used to go to a lot of Padre games. And it's a city now where the Chargers gone, it's starving. They've only got one pro team. And it's a pretty large city. So it's great to see those crowds are completely into the Padres. By the way, I was saying this earlier on there's a lot of words. Mack Jones is now like, can play. for the Patriots. And my takeaway is, I don't, I don't view this as a quarterback controversy. As I said

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He's got a little juice. He's got a little energy. And his constituents, his coaches like him. So I'm going to be his campaign manager for Bailey Zappy. I would stick with him. Now, maybe in four weeks we'll know that he can't play. But we're going to go on the platform. I am happy with Zappi.

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The fans, they want to win games. I mean, they've tried Camden, work. They've tried Mac. They're both about 500 with Belichick. And Bailey Zappies had two games over 100 passer rating. I don't think it's a quarterback controversy. You gave nothing to get him. You didn't give up any picks like a Trey Lance.

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