The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - LeBron James is here to stay

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

LeBron James isn't going any where any time soon The Rockies are off to a horrible start  Doug talks to former Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's like Brock Purdy is a radio producer or a TV segment producer. Hey, I'm top 10 quarterback in the NFL, you know everybody loves their lists. Let me start with this, though. So, so technically LeBron James has a player option, right, a player option. So he can not sign or opt out of his player option, become a free agent and essentially pick where he wants to go. Right. But LeBron James at 40 years old, well, his options are kind of limited. Nonetheless, Rich Paul, his agent, was on the Rich Eisen Show, and he asked about LeBron's upcoming player option this offseason. I think they've been on pins and needles for a while.

I think, I don't know about that, though. I wish I had the answer, Rich. I don't know. So you don't have conversations with him about how much longer he wants to? It's early. Okay. No, I don't have conversations like that. I go into each year, like, he's continuing to play.

I never even, like, talk about that. I don't talk about that. Well, I mean, you are his agent. and his best friend. So, look, we can just cut to the brass tax. LeBron's not going anywhere. They just drafted his son. And I'm sure he wants to leverage some of whatever farewell tour he has.

To potentially draft his other son, Bryce, who's going to be a freshman in Arizona. I'm sure that's probably part of the weight on his mind, right? Is this the last year or do I wait another year and make that the last year? And we could act like, hey, LeBron, he could just walk away. at any time. But does anyone think that a guy who has gotten and honestly earned as much attention as he's gotten? Like we can sit there and say a lot of these things are attention getting things. But I mean, have we seen a guy play as consistently well for 20 years in the NBA? No. No. Is he as good as he used to be? No. But to those of us you remember, Kareem playing at 40, he was much more of a

of his former incredible self. So again, I'm not, I'm not the guy that's sitting there hating on LeBron telling you, oh my God, LeBron wants attention. Like, look, when you've gotten this much attention since you were 16 years old and you've lived up to and probably exceeded anybody's reasonable expectations for what you could do or how well you could do it or how long you could do it, how well you could do it, you're going to get a bunch of attention. And it's a really, really hard lifestyle to get a.

to get out of. It just is. But if we're honest, he's not going anywhere and he's not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement

celebration. You know? Kareem wants far less attention, yet Kareem did the whole tour after becoming the all-time leading score in the game. LeBron, likes the attention, likes it.

Again, and you can sit there and go, oh, you're a little broad, or whatever, like, no. I just don't know anybody who would dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away attention to his private life, to his off, off court conversations. No, he wants attention to that. So, you know, he's got his production company. That's his little baby.

He makes movies and does documentaries out of it. All great. All that requires attention. that hey we have this here and you get that through lebron james getting attention but i mean this is like a nonsensical question you know he's got a player option because if he really really really wanted to win in l.a he would go hey here's what we'll do let's opt out of this sign a minimal deal or a small deal over a couple years and then let's go to work and go get me some guys that can play some defense i i don't you know and

And when he talked about, when Rich talks about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like, is that, is that what you need? Is that, because that's obviously leverage that. Why would you do this? You would only do it as if you want to have some sort of power or the organization that you play for, right? And he used and he wielded that power to get them to drive Brani and play Brony. way above the level of his competency at the time which he was drafted. Whether or not Brani becomes a full-time NBA player and a guy who's a reasonable rotation player

has actually nothing to do with the farce that took place last off-season. Because last off-season, we were told there was multiple teams interested. There weren't. You know, you had JJ Reddick in one of his first press conferences saying he earned, he earned where he was drafted, he didn't. Again, it doesn't mean that you can't draft a guy. You're allowed to draft a guy and say, hey, you know, he went through a hard issue. He had a hard first year at USC, but we see the futures being bright.

But sit there and go like, well, he earned it. Like, doing what? But nonetheless, that was all because LeBron has power and he leveraged it. And he's like, look, I don't want to leave L.A. But I also want to help raise my kid, coach my kid, see my kid grow. You guys are going to draft him. He'll play some of us and some of the G-Lague, travel with him. It'll be an awesome experience.

And I'm sure for Bronte, it probably was outside of a lot of the, the yacking on it. And for LeBron, too, right? Yeah, some of that stuff, you know, strikes close to home and really hurt him. But when he zooms out, he's like, I got to spend a whole year with my son in and out of the NBA, probably wants to do with Bryce, whether or not Bryce isn't even as good as Brony. So he has power. He's trying to leverage that power. That's the only reason for doing it. Because at some point, you start talking about all this stuff and guys are just rolling their eyes.

I was like, oh, yeah, he's not going to retire without a proper sendoff. The league wouldn't want him to do that either. And we can act like the league is, well, it's like something nefarious from the league. It's not. It's not. The league could have done it with Jordan. They would have done it with Jordan. But with LeBron, I mean, this is, they don't want to kill the golden goose.

They want them around as long as possible. They just want to keep milking it. And you can sit there and go like, I'm talking. of LeBron. But if it comes out and LeBron says, hey, this is my retirement tour, you're going and gobbling up those tickets. You're going to watch TV a lot more because it's LeBron. He's Haley's Comet. It ain't coming around for another 87 years. By the way, Jayst, dude, do you think people who are like under 40 get the Haley's Comet reference? I feel like that's a really dated hour age reference of Haley's Comet because Haley's Common hasn't been around in like 40 years and

won't be around for another 40 years. And unless you were a kid or adult live through it, you have no idea what I'm talking about. I think it's a pretty tangible reference for any educated generation. But I guess that's saying a lot. That's assuming that our kids are being educated. Yeah. You don't get me started on that.

Is there a TikTok on Haley's comment? Is there an Instagram reel on Haley's comment? You'll get the first 10 TikTok results will be Haley. was it what's uh what's uh haley beber no the haley is the wife of the bills quarterback what's her name seinfeld sinfeld ryan smith here is a big marvel fan she was uh one of the marvel characters steinfeld signfeld there you go pass all the hayley steinfelds the deal with the bills sorry yeah there's a lot of other haley's matter of fact there is kind of a rush on hailies that are older teenagers right that's a that's a big name maybe that came from our

generation and Haley's comment and saying, hey, I kind of like this name Haley. Who is the first to name their kid, Aden? Because I know 15 Aden's who are under 20. I don't know anybody over 20 named Aden. I just want to point that out. Speaking of this is a wrong thing. One thing about this. So, um, was a little less than a year ago.

We, we all witnessed that ruse, that circus where the wakers tried to convince the public that Brony was a legitimate, draft prospect. Sure. And then they drafted him and said that he earned it. And then they, you know, they signed, they gave him the guaranteed deal for a second round pick. You're saying to me

that LeBron would compel a historic franchise like the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and lie to the public and then not come back after one year. I mean, doesn't he have, doesn't he owe the Lakers something for that

massive favor of being able to play with his son and do that thing where he invited the Griffey's in and nobody cared but him. Doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one more season? I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality is yes, but in terms of LeBron, does he think he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes. I just don't.

And you know what? He might have a little bit of a point, right? Because he has, he didn't play every game, but for 40 years old, he gave him. he gave him a lot. And he does compete to win. And he is a gigantic name. So does he owe it to them? Of course he owes it to them.

But again, you're looking at this as a non-parent, rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them and been told they could do no wrong. Like he had his show called The Shop, right, which was the Barbershop. And he actually sued Nick Sabin because they had a similar show because he believed he invented barbershop conversation being recorded. Like, what do you think the essence of first take is?

What are we even talking about? But when you live in a world where everybody just says, hey, whatever you say, King, it's really hard to tell if up is up and down is down. And so, yeah, if it's me, if my son, who's not clearly qualified even close to his son, is, hey, dude, we're going to draft you in the second round and give you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful. It's the type of thing that you do for a lifelong friend. Man, that's a real solid.

I truly appreciate it. If there's ever a way I can help you, you know, return the favor, you just ask. That's how normal, reasonable relationships to, it's not a quid pro quo. You take care of me. I take care of you. It's like, hey, that's a real solid. I appreciate it. I feel so close to the Lakers organization.

That's just not what we've heard come out of LeBron or come out of Rich Paul, an example. Hey, they're on, what do you say? They're on eggshells. Why are they in eggshells? Like, you're his agent, you're his best friend. They did him a solid, like, look. The Lakers are completely lockstep with LeBron. They know everything he wants to do.

They've done right by him. He's going to do right by them. They'll come to a mutual decision. But that's not what you hear. It's not what you hear. You hear, I don't know, they're waiting on eggshells. He's got a lot of options. No, he doesn't.

His option is come back and play, figure out how he wants to play, how they can go and get, you know, legit defenders to go along with their best three players all offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup or championship roster. And if he wants it to be his last year, give him the heads up. It's his last year so that the whole league can do the proper celebration.

And if you want to push back on a proper celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that like, look, LeBron James, what was it, nine straight NBA finals, four titles? He's in any conversations, the greats of all time. And he's done it for a long time. And I continue to say this. If the worst thing that he's done is forced the Lakers to draft Ronnie and play him and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't that bad.

Most other superstars have done far worse, bar worse. And especially off the court, there's never been a whisper of anything. So I'm Doug Gottlieman for Colin coming up in the herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season. Are you ready for another season of the tush push? We'll get into that next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. days in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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unofficial beginning of summer. If you're going to the beach, you're going to a lake, you're going to a mountain, wherever you're going, drive safe, keep it tuned right here to Fox Sports Radio. Mark Domman is going to join us upcoming, probably about five minutes. Of course, Mark was most notably the GM of the Tampa Buccaneers. He's worked his entire life in professional football. We'll get his thoughts on Brock Purdy's New Deal. And, you know, when is it the you know what or get off the pot for Aaron Rogers and the

Pittsburgh Steelers? all that up to come. But first, let's get to Jason Stewart with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Jay Stu, what up, bud? Hey, Doug, I need you to put your coaching cap on. You got it on?

Yeah, I do. I do. Coach got me. I wish it was a coaching cap. My coaching cap this year was a dunce cap, but that's okay. Ouch. Whoa. I like self-deprecation.

That was a good one. So I need you to give me. the code here, what Steve Kerr is actually saying. So you know more about Jonathan Kaminga than I do. I know he was a lottery pick. I don't know if he's a swing man. I think he had a couple pretty good games when

Steph Curry wasn't on the court in these playoffs. Well, the question is will he be a Golden State Warrior moving forward? Steve Kerr recently said this one, and I need you to tell me what he really means by this. It's a tricky one because Jonathan

obviously is gifted and wants to play a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me, we've been asked to win. And right now, he's not a guy I could say I'm going to play 38 minutes with the roster that we have. What does that tell you, Doug? It means that if they're going to

move him to somewhere he thinks he can start and play, but kind of a lot like Kyle Kuzma, right? Like, Kyle Kuzma was a starter on the worst team in the NBA and the Wizards. You know, put him on one of the best teams in the NBA and suddenly he comes out the bench. It's a different role. So, you know, obviously he wasn't in their rotation consistently.

It's got to be defense and rebounding and shot selection, coachability, and just trust. So that sounds like a guy who you're going to give a bigger opportunity to elsewhere. Sounds like a sign-in-trade guy. Interesting. Michael Malone, he won a ring just a couple of seasons ago, was unceremoniously fired this past season. And now he's doing work for ESPN. Now he raised some eyebrows the other night because in his analysis, after the Thunder game, he said, quote,

Shea showed us why he's the MVP. And then of course the entire media world goes crazy. Like, whoa, he just got done coaching the greatest player in the world. Yokic, what's going on here? Is there a rivalry? Is there a beef? Did Yokic get him fired? You know, all the speculation.

So last night he went on ESPN. he felt the need to correct the record. And I did vote for him again this year. If I had a vote, want to make sure the people in Denver know that. Because right now I'm getting a lot of heat back home. Yeah, I mean, I think he gets a little excited. Now, look, he can say this is why he's the MVP, and he didn't say, I think he's the best part of the world.

I think he's the MVP, right? Again, it's semantics, but you're arguing semantics. I do hate, though, when you make a statement like that, then all of a sudden you backpedal. You know, whereas what you could say is like, man, I don't know. I mean, I've been coaching Yokic who I think is the best player in the world for however many years. And watching this cat up close, I'm like, I see why he's the MVP. I see why it's an interesting conversation.

But it happens when you're doing TV first time ever, you are getting pushed by producers and just by the energy of saying bold things. And sometimes you say something like, I don't know if that came out the way I wanted. and even when it did, you don't realize there ramifications of it. For me personally, and I don't know if you're wired this way, but as a guy that just loves content that is uncomfortable and controversial, yeah, him backpedaling was a huge deflating part for my week. I needed him to keep that controversy brewing, but that's not interesting.

Kellan Moore is the new head coach in the New Orleans Saints. Now, I don't know if the Saints are trying to win. I'm trying to come up with the saying for this saint's season. I haven't gotten past March for Arch or planning for Manning. If someone comes up with a more witty, you know, title, please let us know. But he was asked about the Tush Push because remember, Kellyn Moore was the offensive coordinator for the Eagles that won the Super Bowl, right? He's seen the Tush Push up close and personal. He's actually called for it.

He was asked about it surviving another year. And Kellyn says I had great experience with it. It's an investment. It's a play that Philadelphia has done a great job of investing a lot of time into, spent a lot of time embracing that play. And there's a component to it that we have to evaluate. But Kellyn Moore would not commit to creating his own Tushbush with his new team. This coming on the heels of what?

Yesterday, Ben Johnson, the new coach of the Bears, is like, I like explosive plays. So I don't understand. why other teams, since they're going to have this for a year, wouldn't go out of their way to try to figure out a way to do it themselves. Well, I mean, I think the component issue that he's discussing is that Jalen Hurts squat, 600 pounds. And he has just this unique ability to do it and to not get hurt. And they've kind of, hey, this is what we do, this is who we are.

And we actually, you know, it's one of the first things we teach. So I kind of get it with Ben Johnson, even if he's doing the knuckle dragging. I like explosive plays. You know what I like? I like first downs, Ben. I like first downs, you know. And look, he sounds like every first year head coach. Every guy who, like myself, you take over, you're like, man, we can do this on offense,

we can do that on offense. None of that matters if you can't stop anybody or if you can't, none of the throwing, if you can't run the football. But I think what Kellan Moore is discussing is he's like, we just, we might not have the personnel for that. You know, they had Jason Kelsey, who is a small but powerful and super quick center when they first put it in. They had Jalen Hertz who squats more than anybody else as a quarterback in the NFL.

And I think those two parts are parts of the component. Now they're replacing Kelsey. They've replaced Kelsey a year ago. Now they got to keep doing it with Jalen Hertz. I think that's the part that he's saying. As for Ben Johnson, yeah, I kind of think he's sticking his chest out because he loves explosive creative plays. When didn't the Lions try a double pass in the fourth quarter trying to come

this year, try to get cute with explosive plays instead of just running the football. And that's heard-line news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly

on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio. This is The Herd, phone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend. Mark, let me ask you, why would it Ben Johnson say I like explosive plays instead of the tush-push? I think it just sounds good, right? It's for the fans, right?

It's kind of what you were just talking about. It's like I can create something that's more dynamic, more exciting than the touch push, which is, you know, I guess a play that, you know, everybody knows is coming when it gets lined up. So I got to think that's the whole reason he's just trying to again state that he can create explosive plays and fans want that. There are two votes away. So, again, how long do you think this play lasts? I hope they don't get it. I think the place should last.

I mean, it's unique that the Philadelphia Eagles are the only ones that are really good at it, right? And there's a lot to be said about, you know, their timing and everything coming together. And you touch briefly about it. You know, Cam Juergens comes in there and now as a starting center built completely different than Kelsey, but a very powerful maller, but just, you know, a much more higher-cut guy where Kelsey was a lower-cut, you know, quick-twitch. And they had no problem with it because Cam can move mountains. He's a powerful kid. I don't think you should outlaw.

I think it is what it is. And I think you've just got to figure out how to stop it or slow it down. And if you can't do it, then push-push-push-stayed. Get them in third and three, not third-and-one. Mark Dominic's our guest here in The Hurt. I'm Doug Gautly. Befilling in for Colin. Brock Purdy's deal.

How does the GM look at it? Well, I think it's not surprising. I think you and I had been talking about, I was hoping, you know, this would come in 45 to 50 with incentives and it comes in around 52. I don't think it's a shocking deal to any general manager. I think they all kind of look at it like, you know what? That's just what the rate is.

And obviously he's getting less than the starting rate, quote, unquote, for every club. I think it's somewhat of a fair deal across the board. I think it's certainly a good narrative for Brock Pretty. And, you know, being Mr. Irrelevant to now signing this deal to seeing what else is in his chapter of his NFL career. But it's also, you know, Brock Pretty, you know, it's not saying I need the entire bag and I want the bank. and this all in that. It's a good that I think that the 49ers still have a little wiggle room with their roster, even though they just did a contract extension with a quarterback.

Yeah, and also did one with Fred Warner. What are your thoughts on the guys they let go? Because one of the thoughts I had was some of those guys, they didn't really want back. Like Debo Samuel, I don't think they wanted Debo Samuel back anyway, but they made it a casualty of the Brock Purdy thing, and it made it much more convenient. and what are your thoughts on the percentage of those guys, name guys that they had to part ways with,

that they are really kind of over anyway, and this just allowed them to do so? Well, I think Debo, I agree with you. I think Debo was, give or take, basically, Debo's frustration sometimes. We've talked about how I feel very strong about what Ricky Pearsall's going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw was one they didn't want to let go. I think that one hurt.

I think that they really love that kid and what he's been able to do and what he's all been through. I think those are the ones where it kind of burns a little bit, I bet you, for John Lynch. certainly for Coach Shanahan to lose a guy that's, you know, been a warrior for you since you had them. So I think those hurt that you know that that's just part of the game. And so they had to make these tough decisions with guys that they do like, you know, Aaron Banks went out and broke, you know, crushed it in Green Bay with a huge contract. Would they like to have Aaron?

I'm sure they would have. But I think they realize, hey, look, there's only so many things we can do. And, you know, there are certain positions we can't pay and it's going to be hard. You know, Dominic Poonie came in and played really good at guard. It's hard to pay guard in the national football league. when you're paying your tackles. It's hard to pay linebackers in the national football league when you're paying your quarterback. And so they went to the positions that I think are always going to get a little bit more dinged

or you can't pay as many guys. And that's linebacker, that's safety, that's running back badly. And that's interior offensive line. You can't pay three guys inside. We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints. Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and with the quarterback play they seem to have? I know it's a tough job for Coach Moore. You know, the personnel there and the cap has been hard.

It feels like an angst bag over your head this year for them. I'm afraid. I just, I think the other teams, even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are, you know, trying to improve the roster working on getting a better and stronger roster, certainly, you know, with the wider receiver room that's the way it is set now in Carolina. This is a team that I just, I don't feel confident in the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth, you know, you've got the worst quarterback of the four teams in your division. And that makes for a really long year.

And I think that's what the same fans have to endure. What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with, you know, they got four quarterbacks plus Deshawn, but Deshawn's had multiple Achilles. So, I mean, the likelihood of him to ever taking a snap again isn't great. But what, how is that handled? What's the progression like in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities, when you have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects,

like Flacko and like Chubisky and then I've seen the two rookies. It's weird. I mean, you look at Flacco and I would guess that he's going to get the lead. I mean, he may get first team reps. I know they talked about Kenny Pickett getting first team reps. That's a strong. Oh, Pickett. Sorry, yeah, I said Chubisky, my bad.

It's all right. We talk a lot of sports, no, but sometimes you're a lot of getting named stuff. So, you know, Kenny Pickett, I think, is, you know, probably just going to get an opportunity. what's going to happen is Joe Flacko's going to be the one that probably doesn't see as much preseason work, doesn't see he'll still get the work, but they don't need to see a lot out of Joe Flacco, I don't think. They need to find out of these young three to see if they like any of them more than the other. And this will be a chance for Shador, same with Dylan and Kenny Pickett. I think that they're going to spread it around.

They may start each one of those young guys as a starter in the preseason game, just to give them the start out of the tunnel and say, what do you look like? But certainly it's hard. You know, you get all these reps right now, and certainly camp's going to be the part and part. the stuff we don't get to see the classroom, the ability to, you know, regurgitate what's going on, you know, in the classroom and be able to, you know, see how they can parlay that to the field is going to be the big difference for all three of these guys and to see how they can do that.

Kenny Pickett's weaknesses his arm strength. I don't know if he can fix that. Gabriel, you know, to me, there's a little bit of an accuracy thing in Shadour. You know, he seems to be handling everything very well right now. I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying. So I think it's pretty open there. Yeah, it's a fascinating one. Okay.

If you're in Pittsburgh, how much longer do you give Aaron Rogers to make a call on this deal? Yeah, I really want Aaron there for the veteran mini-camp, Doug. I need him there by then to kind of at least take the reins, have the playbook under your belt for, you know, even though over the weekend, you just go out there,

be around the players before you come back to camp and show up. I think that's really kind of my drop dead time. And so I think he's got, you know, a couple weeks left here before, you know, Pittsburgh has their veteran mini camp, and I would think that that's what they're waiting. You're in the, you're your same position you have with Tampa only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out. The book that's come out with Seth Wickersham,

talking by Caleb Williams in the draft process, where he said, you know, or his dad said that's where quarterbacks go to die. You want to be a Viking. Obviously, they have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system and probably better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good, right? you don't ever say you want to be a Viking when you're a bear. What's the conversation like between GM and starting quarterback? Well, I think it's GM and father is what I really would start with.

You know, I'd like to let the quarterback handle the head coach, and I'd like Coach Johnson talk to him knowing that, you know, we would talk first. And then I would call, you know, the father. I mean, obviously have a conversation with him about like what are we trying to accomplish? year. Like what's the goal? What do you want? Because you're making it harder. And there's no reason to make it any harder on your son. That's all you're doing. Now you're creating even more fan disappointment if he struggles. It's going to be even harder for him. You know, and so that's the conversation I'd be having with the dad. Like we just need to dial everything down.

He just needs to go out there, say the right things, do the right things. We've done everything we can for your son in terms of offensive line. I feel like it's as good it's ever been. But, you know, I think it's more of a conversation with the bad than I think the coach handles the player. Let's circle back Mark Domick, our guest here in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Brock Purdy said he's a top 10 quarterback. Is he right?

As a winner, I'd say yes. As a tools, I would say no. I think if you sit there and say, okay, just give me the winners. I want the guys that are the best of the best and show me what that looks like. I think he's in that top 10 conversation. When you think about quarterbacks, he's the best quarterback, you know, I think you have to personally, even though, you know, Jaden Daniels, Holmes, Allen, you can start going down

some of these guys. Lamar Jackson, obviously, Justin Herbert, Jordan, Love. It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the top 10, but I think he's very close, but as a winner, I think he's a top 10 quarterback.

Well, is that the goal of the whole thing? I mean, that's where I'm, like, I'll give you, I'll just a question, okay? Start at zero, Justin Herbert or Brock Purdy? I will take Justin Herbert still. Okay. And all those other quarterbacks

we establish, established previously, right? You're talking about Josh Allen, Patma Holmes, whatever. But I do think the difference is like, well, they already have been San Francisco. So we make it out like you've got to choose, but he's very much on the board there. But again, so in terms of winner, you're talking about intangibles,

whereas he doesn't have the tangibles of a top 10 quarterback. Is that fair? That's exactly right. And then that's the only thing that keeps him, like, do you sit there and say Jalen Hertz or him? You know, there's part that maybe he does better than Jalen, but there's, Jalen's been a great winner, you know,

since he's been in there. You know, Jay Daniels, maybe it's a little early to crown him up there and put him that high, but what he was able to accomplish with that Washington roster in his rookie season, it's hard for me not to put him in that conversation

with those guys. So I love Brock Pretty. You know I've been a Brock Pretty fan since the beginning, even through the injuries and everything. I thought this was a great story, but he also, you know, just the way. he carries himself and handles everything.

I'm just saying from a pure, you know, arm talent, legs talent, Brock Pretty doesn't fall in there, but is Brock pretty worthy of that contract he just signed? Yes, he is. Interesting. Mark, great stuff. Enjoy the weekend. Thanks for being our guest on Foxport Tradeo.

Thank you, Doug. Enjoy the way of yourself, buddy. You too. That's Mark Dominick spent over 20 years in the NFL front offices in scouting and, of course, former general manager that Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stu. you had to know, and do I think it was the sponsor deal?

I do. But when he gets those Toyota Tacoma TRDs for all of his offensive linemen, like that is a bold, again, has to be a sponsorship deal. But otherwise, you got to know you're getting paid. Like you have to know you're not getting paid. And I am looking both ways for I cross the street. I'm not, I'm wrapping myself in bubble wrap. right because what are those those got to run in the 60s right so if you go 60 times and you're not just

buying you can't just buy the starting line and you got to buy all those all those meatheads like eight of them right eight of them you're talking like half a million dollars if if you're spending your own money on those TRDs he had to know he was getting paid that's otherwise it's a bold move when the the amount that you're paying in cars for your linemen for protecting you is the same amount you're making per year. No doubt. And I would just wonder if there was not a sponsor involved, if he literally just went on to a Toyota dealership

and said, I need these many cars. And I'm going to get 180 guaranteed in the next couple of months. I wonder if they sell him on that credit, on that verified credit. I don't know what you put up for collateral. I don't know if you give him your football helmet or something. But yeah, that's an interesting story. But you must admit,

Like the team's messaging, they haven't even hidden this. Like there was zero suspense. Like, early in the season, even, they're like, we're going to take care of the kid. We're going to take care of them. And to our astonishment, they kept saying it. But, and then they did it. Yeah, they did it. I guess maybe that's their men of their word.

They, hey, this is our guy. He played for us for almost for free for a couple years. Now we're going to, it feels like overpaying him. I don't know. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieben for Colin. Come up in the herd. I'll give you my advice. Actually, I'll give you some advice to the New York Knicks on game two against Indiana tonight. Want to hear it? It's next in The Herd.

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Like we do, it's pretty easy to poke fun at some of this stuff. But not all of it is bad, right? Let's not act like everything in the new generation is bad. And I give you Tyrese Hallburton. Tyrese Halliburton was an overlooked player, right? He came, he's from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He went to Iowa State. It wasn't like there was great fanfare.

And he just worked and worked and worked. And again, even now with the most overrated player mantra that he carries because of a player pole, he doesn't, not only does he not shrink from the moment hitting what was an incredible shot, although he double dribbled. I mean, anybody sees that video. You can say, well, he got fouled, but he also double dribbled. If he gets fouled, then it's two free throws and then the Knicks get the ball back, you know, after the two free throws.

but nonetheless, I don't know if you saw this, but Halliburton was asked by ESPN about being the most overrated. He says, I love external motivation. Somebody's talking-ish. I want to know because I want to go back at them. And don't get me wrong, talking trash and basketball is as old as the game itself. Although I'm not really sure that Dr. James Naismith, who invented it for aerobic activity,

was really into the trash talking. Even when he was the least successful coach in the history of Kansas basketball, right? Like, I don't think he was... I don't think James R. Naismith was a big trash talk guy. But since it became kind of a city game in probably, I don't know, the 30s, 40s, definitely the 50s and 60s,

trash talk has been a part of it. And I don't know if we try and take it out of it. It's just sometimes the women's stuff is well over the top. And then, you know, obviously, there's moments where like his dad coming out on the court like what are you doing but but here's what i do like from the gen z generation is because they've grown up with a phone in their hand because they've grown up where x was twitter and there were message boards people have spoken their mind more and said more bombastic stuff on tv on radio online than at any time in our

lifetime, right? I mean, again, go back to how sports was always covered in the 90s, and it was far different. Were people critical of Jordan before he won an NBA title? Yes, but was it was was the noise this loud? No. No. And average everyday Joe's now feel like they have the ability to say and do whatever they want. It started with message boards, and it moved into social media, and now they're getting quoted. on real TV shows. I don't know why we do that, but we do. But the point is that between Tyrese Hall Burton,

Anthony Edwards, you know, some of these guys, they have grown up idolizing the Jordans, the birds, the Kobe's, guys who were great trash talkers, and they've grown up in an era where you can kind of say whatever hell you want. You know, take your shot. Talk your ish.

and I think Halliburton is a perfect example of it. It's like, do I, if I'm a pacer coach, do I love that he talks trash and he runs his mouth? Maybe not, but one, it kind of works for him, and two, it kind of fits with this generation. Like, I actually think, Jay Stu, in your weekly evisceration of all things, Gen Z, there may be a maya copa at some point in time because Gen Z, they'll actually say what they think every now and again. More often, now look, some of them get their feelings hurt way worse than previous generations, and they make it about things it's not about. But I do think

that there's a portion of them that matches the kind of message board, Twitter, trash talk that I actually think is a good thing from this generation. And as a parent of Gen Z, I take full responsibility for how Gen Z is. And just to be clear, I've always said that Gen Z walks around thinking that we owe them happiness all the time. Like, what is it, the Declaration of Independence said that our country guarantees you the pursuit of happiness. Gen Z somehow reads that as we guarantee you'll be happy all day. And if you're not, then you can complain. So, yeah, the refreshing part of that is, you're right.

This kid could easily take the high road and be like, I don't listen to the noise. It's all about basketball. I go zero dark 30. I don't listen to any of that stuff. Correct. I just lock in, lock in. It's more interesting when they do hear the noise and they acknowledge it and he's

literally putting it where his mouth is. I don't even know what that even means, but he's putting it on the court. Yeah, how does that work where you put your money where your mouth is? I want to know the impetus of that expression. And I just use a Gen Z. thing and I use literally in the opposite term that it's actually used. So I just fell for that.

Yeah, no, of course you did. And, well, that's what's interesting is they've changed what literally means in the Webster's dictionary to where it actually, one of the definitions is figuratively, not actually literally. But I digress. The point is that any generation has, you can pick apart negatives about it. Our generation, our parents, their parents, the greatest generation of all time. The greatest generation of all time, awesome. But let's not act like the world was perfect back with Ozzie and Harriet.

And they did, you know, greatest generation was World War I, right? That's trench warfare. Let's dig a big trench and then let's go take another trench and everybody dies in between the two trenches. Not the smartest of generations. Their greatest generation, though, because of what they did to stand up for the right side. of history. And with this generation, there's a lot of negatives, you point out.

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