The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - LeBron Keeps the NBA Relevant

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox are in for Colin Cowherd and explain how LeBron is the only thing keeping the NBA relevant this time of year. The Raiders will be the most "Feel Good, Last Place Team" this season. Plus, OnlyFans, fake athletes, tiring out Travis Hunter and more! #2prosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You can find LeVar and I weekday morning, 6 a.m. Eastern time, 3 o'clock Pacific alongside Brady Quinn. It's called two pros and a cup of Joe. And when there's no Brady Quinn, it is black and black and draught. track here on this Monday morning after a long holiday weekend. I got it first. After a long holiday weekend. I don't know why we can't just be happy for Deshawn Watson. Why do you have to be so negative about the whole thing? The guy got married. Congratulations, Deshawn Watson. He's got a $1.3 million ring. He does? Yeah. Or she does.

Says his band is worth up to $1.3 million. Some people have had that saying, you can't hide money. Let me ask you that. Why is it worded that way worth up to $1.3 million? Because it's only worth what somebody's willing to spend, right? It could appraise for that amount. What is there incentives in it? Like, well, if you meet all these incentives, it'll be worth $1.3 million.

Like what? Don't go to the grab lab? It'll be worth $1.3? You can't clean it with a towel. That keeps the value. That's the incentive. Don't clean it with a towel. That's true.

Tile is cleaner. That's a great point. All right. So with that being said, speaking of Ohio, Okay. LeBron James was hanging out at the Cavs practice facility. Was he really? Yeah, there was a picture that went out of him there

and some people started to speculate, oh, is he going back home? Is he going back to Clems? Cleveland, this and that. And he basically responded on social media with something along the lines of, I live here, I practice here every off season, there's nothing

different about this. You practice at the Cavaliers facility? He works out there all the time. He works out there constantly because he lives out there. And so he said That's not strange? No, I don't think so. He does it every year. That's not strange every year?

Not, I mean, whatever. He's working out there. It's their practice is strange to me I don't know there's a hundred different places you could go work out other than another team in the National Basketball Association

that doesn't come across this strange well he's I'm starting there but okay that's fine but his point his point was I'm here every off season are you all that bored

go get another plate of food okay but is every off season like this for LeBron James that's the question LeBron has to ask himself, and that's the question that needs to be asked and answered. Does this offseason give you something different than any other offseason? And the answer has to be yes. Really?

Yes, it does because of the uncertainties of what's going to take place based off of the selling of the team of the Lakers, based off of bringing in Luca Donchich, based on where they are as a team. And to me, it just seems like the handwriting is on the wall that, that this Lakers team is possibly positioning themselves to be able to move on from LeBron James. So in that context, yes, I mean, he has to know that. I don't, I mean. You can't be upset and up in arms if people are looking at you doing something that you've always done. But in the moment of where that could be a possibility of a destination for him to land,

he's there working out. That's strange. I mean, but that's strange. Like if he was working out. in South Beach if he was working out I mean I don't know hold on now if he's in South Beach and he's working out on the beach

or on Ocean Ave you might be like okay speculate and he can give you a legitimate I just like being in Miami I'm always in Miami if he's in Cleveland and he's in the flats or you just doing what he's doing somewhere

in and around Cleveland he can take the speculation and he can drown out the speculation. He can delete it. He can eliminate it. You're working out at the Cleveland Cavaliers facility. That's weird.

I don't think it's not weird. If I was playing for the Washington, back when I was playing for the Washington Redskins, then Washington Redskins, if I were to be in Texas and I'm working out at the Dallas Cowboys facilities, because I've always

worked out there. First and foremost, why would I always work out at the Dallas Cowboys facility. He looks there. Man, that's weird, bro. That's weird. I don't know how you don't see it at it's weird or you're being an instigator. I'm not.

I don't think it's weird. That is weird. He does it every office. There's nothing new about this. It's nothing different. The first time he did it. Okay, but if he does it this many times. It doesn't make it unweird that he's doing it for years.

It makes it weird that it's not weird. Look, I think that he enjoys the speculation. I think he stirs that up a lot. I think that's, you know, he can try and be dismissive of it and say, well, you know, you guys need to get a life basically and go get another plate of food. And I'm here every offseason. I think he likes to stir it up. He probably knows deep down this is going to generate some sort of reaction somewhere or another. I look at it from a general standpoint.

This is another indication that the NBA without LeBron, what do you got? Because when he's gone and the end is near, what is there? Like he really is the lifeblood of topics and discussion in the National Basketball Association. And he's good at. He's great at it. He's good at. And if this is all winding down and he's out in the next couple of years, people that cover the NBA, people that love to talk about the league,

oh, it's not as bad as everybody thinks it is. And, you know, they get pissed off. And we point out the separation between the NFL and the NBA, you better start. stirring up some other storylines or stirring up some other stars in the league. And this isn't a face of the NBA. It's a life of the NBA. And without LeBron James, it feels like the NBA is on life support when it comes to interest, intrigue, and talking points. What else is there?

Talent? Yeah. I'd say there's talent. Yeah, there's talented players. You have young talented stars. You have some older talented stars. You have star power in the NBA. Is it interesting?

I would say the better question would be Does the NBA have enough relevance and enough To me, cashé, to be interesting Outside of like what LeBron James or like Shaquille O'Neill Or like a Kobe Bryant or like a Michael Jordan or a Magic Johnson Do they have the ability to? Is there a player that exists that can transition into those positions of interest outside of the talent on the court.

I don't, I think there are personalities within the NBA that could be those. But I find myself asking the question, are we in a day and age, are we in a time where social media and different things have taken away, it's really taking. taken away the ability. It's desensitized fans. It's desensitized fans. And for what it's worth, I think it has desensitized athletes as well. How do you build as big as Shaquille O'Neal or Michael Jordan if you can get a

hold of them so easily? Now, granted, when LeBron James was coming in, that transitional phase was, that stage was taking place. So he wasn't all the way fully acclimated to be. in a world where social media dominated it, technology dominated it. Now, while you may see the NFL, because it leans so deep into the brand and the shield, that they don't seem to be losing any momentum, and in fact, maybe even picking up momentum. But in basketball, it's such a personality-driven sport that when you see the guys like Shaquille O'Neill,

you see them in person and it's like you've met somebody that came like from somewhere else. You meet these guys and there was this sense of just wow, I just met this person. That element is gone. And I think the homie element is there like working out at a different facility that is in the NBA and you play for another team,

the exchanging of jerseys, which happens in football. but I just feel like it's weird how cool guys are these days. And they're not only cool with one another, they're cool with the fan bases. Like that connection is there. And I don't think that the relevance of like the praise factor or the, you know, posting them high on a pedestal type deal.

I don't feel like that's prominent anymore. And I don't think that players actually prioritize trying to be that type of a personality or a brand. I really don't. We've talked about this before to where the NFL has its own ecosystem, where the NBA is starved for, we need a superstar, we need big markets. They have to drive it.

And in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes plays in Kansas City. Like, Rogers was in Green Bay. It doesn't, like, the NFL, anybody could be a great team with a great quarterback. And because it's its own ecosystem, it's super. seeds all the other big market, celebrity status that comes along with it. Man, it's not like Patrick Mahomes has got this, you know, vibrant personality and this real colorful. No, the guy just plays football.

He plays football and he's on a team with, you know, with a tight end who's dating Taylor Swift. Like, it's just, it's a whole- Which became more relevant than football. So don't think that football isn't guilty of trying to find ways to leverage celebrity as well. Yeah, but football's not determined. on one player. The success and conversation around the NFL

isn't just determined on one player. Man, Tom Brady retired. Sweet. On to the next. Like John Elway, all these greats. I think it comes down to what you mentioned earlier is the relevance of the franchises. Like Green Bay is not a big market.

It's not a great market. But the relevance of the franchise drives it. The people love their franchise. The communities rally around their franchise. They create a very, very nice size. captive audience. You have that in the NFL and it's because of the shield and it's because of the brands of those franchises. You have that in a few teams in the NBA, but you don't have that collectively. So the relevance of what you're trying to do has to exist in certain, certain markets

in order for it to be as impactful as you need it to be. And that's why you always try to keep the Lakers as strong as you can, maybe keep the Knicks as strong as they can, try to keep the Chicago Bulls as strong as you can. Try to keep the Chicago Bulls as strong as you. as you can. You saw what they just did with the Dallas Maverts. You try to keep the Dallas Mavericks as strong as you can. You have to try to keep those anchor teams, those anchor markets. You got to try to keep them stocked up with some type of relevant talent because you're not the franchises in these different markets. You just have OKC win at all. What's the buzz? What was the parade like after? And I asked this question for anybody that's driving around right now or listening on the podcast, take LeBron James out of the NBA. What do you want to talk about?

Dang. Honestly. You have to be a real fan of the game to be able to answer your question. And I think that's the biggest indictment. I loved the NBA finals. I thought it was great because it was great basketball. And you didn't have any drama. there was no subplots or issues going on.

It was just two really good teams who were pretty evenly matched, much more evenly matched, I think a lot of people realized. How many brands comparable to LeBron James or Shaquille O'Neill or Kevin Garnett or Kevin Duran or Steph Kirk? How many of those guys were in that series? Well, that's the thing. How many? None, but that's, but no, but that's crazy.

That's the thing. And those were the two best teams in the playoffs. And it was a great series. I had thoroughly enjoyed it. But I look at the NBA differently to where I think a lot of people focus on this storyline attached to it and the name brand attached to it. And after LeBron, you don't have a lot of that. There's not a lot of that going on. And with LeBron's career winding down, I think people are going to get a harsh dose of reality when he's gone.

Oh, we've got to actually put some work in and really start pushing some. You don't realize how much he carried, John. Wow. No, it's a great point. I mean, and even earlier, you talked about, we talked about JPP and the fireworks situation. If you have something that happens in a major market, which, by the way, it's interesting that JPP was a giant and O'Dell Beckham makes the catch as a giant. It's certain markets where if you do something personally, it can take your brand beyond the scope of just being a helmet and jersey and cleats. But it doesn't happen very often.

You get used to seeing guys with helmets on, being totally covered up, and it's what the team is doing. In fact, in most cases, it's actually set up for the coaches to actually become the stars of what's taking place. You look at the coaches and they're singled out. Look at how many times we looked at Xerces on the New York sideline before he got – Oh, Robert Saw. My guy. Can, right? You can look at Stefansky.

He's got to look to him. You look at Dayball. It's like, he's got to look to him. You look at, you know, any of these coaches in and around the league, they get a ton of attention because you can see them. You can see them. The dynamic of how we bring in or how we digest and how we receive the content from football is much different than how we receive it from basketball.

We are looking. look at basketball players as entertainers, like singers or actors, right? Because you can see them. You can see them. And so with that being said, if you can see these guys, and listen, they're putting

them in commercials. I think Progressive had the OKC Thunder kids and the guys in their commercial and you had the Big Three in their commercial and stuff like that. They get commercials and they are relevant to the

audiences that are consuming them, it's just that you don't have that next level brand like a LeBron James that's in the pipeline to actually carry it from a megastar standpoint. There's not one that exists. I can't think of one personality.

Anthony Edwards is the only personality that you can say is comparable to the personalities that we've gotten to know through the years where you want to know that individual in particular, but you don't have a Kevin Garnett. You don't have a Paul Pierce. You don't have those type of very big personalities that are making you look at the game

from an entertainment standpoint of the storylines, not just the game itself and what the outcomes of the games are. And that's something that once LeBron James leaves, you're going to have to figure out what that conversation is. Bone dry. The well is dry once he's gone. By the way. Steph Curry.

You got Steph Curry. That's about it. Steph Curry, Draymond Green. And I mean, if we're talking in the annals of being the greatest ever, you'll say maybe Stemann falls in like a Dennis Rodman type of category. Right? Like you had a superstar in Dennis Rodman but was never the star, but yet his brand was very pronounced.

That's Draymond Green. So you have it in Draymond Green and Steph Curry. There might be a couple more if we really, really dig deep for it. But, man, I mean, it's not to the level of what. we're talking about with the LeBron James. By the way, our hearts are with everyone affected by the Texas flooding. IHeart is partnering with the Community Foundation

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Coming up a little over 20 minutes from now as we fill in for Colin. That's how you feel. Over 20 minutes from now. We are going to tell you about somebody who, is crack the code of a superstar in the world of sports. So cracking of the code of a superstar in the world of sports, that'll be yours here. Come on, man. I mean, it's crazy to think.

Like, we're sitting here joking about it, and it's like very real. It's like very real. Like, that is astonishing. Hey, there's ways you can make money these days, you know? There's all sorts of ways you can make money these days. Azelia, with her only fans, makes the same amount in a year that James Harton does at $36 million. Stop playing with me. Go ahead, Iggy.

Get your cash. Maybe she got a better step back. I don't know. Dang. Baby. She got something that's better. That's for 36 million. What's you got 30?

God. All right. Anyway. They're athletes too. They sure are. Yes, they are. Is Joey Chestnut an athlete? People think that professional eaters are athletes.

They're not. Because he was on ESPN, he's an athlete. Okay. All right. Cornhole. Is it considered a sport? Is eating food considered a sport? No.

I don't think so It's not a physical feat or an athletic feat to compete with somebody on eating food and the amount that you can eat. You don't find that to be competitive. What is the breakdown of what sport is? Do you know how many people I compete with on the drive home if I want to get to the stoplight faster, if I want to beat somebody in traffic? That doesn't make me an athlete. I'm not racing on days of thunder because I beat some guy to the off ramp on my way home because the 101 is a disaster.

Like, I've just, like, competition, you can compete in everything. It doesn't make it a sport. But people think, well, it's on ESPN. It must be a sport. Really? Okay. An activity involving physical exertion. Is eating physical exertion competitively?

If you're eating, is that physical exertion? But physical exertion, you could get that doing a lot of things. I'm just asking. Come on, Lee, jump on in. Yes. Is that physical exertion? You're breaking the sweat. Okay, okay.

Now, does it involve a skill in which an individual has to utilize it to compete? Yeah, they can train. Is it a skill to be able to eat competitively? Yes. What do you think, Jonas? Cool, a skill, cool. That's awesome. Like, there's guys that can juggle knives, too.

And is it used as a form of entertainment? Absolutely. Then it's a sport. All right. It's disgusting. By definition, competitive eating Joey Chestnut is an athlete. That's physical exertion. Is cornhole a sport?

There's physical exertion. And there is, if you've ever cornholed, by the way. If you've ever played the game, it takes skill to be able to do it. There's eye-hand coordination. I'll say this right now. There's not a person at the network who could beat me a cornhole. Not one. not one they get lit on fire

I think we should start bringing one in and playing during the break okay on God you don't want anything yeah I mean nobody's using this stuff I think that would be really cool we'll compete against the cockroaches that are and the bats

and they got that sonar they should be a denies chief they got that sonar so you know they're going to get the bags in there all right so um so yeah again herd line news coming up a little over 15 minutes from now uh cracking the coat of a superstar athlete. By the way,

so Max Crosby does the SAC summit that he hosts with Cam Jordan and Von Miller. They all get together in Vegas. Yeah, it's awesome. And you've seen this sort of with the tight ends and a lot of these position groupings getting together and just trying to work and get better. And so

he was talking just about the success that they're looking for in Las Vegas. And he said, quote, individual success and things like that are awesome, but it's not why you play the game you play to win. We just saw it in the NBA. OKC just a couple of years ago.

It was one of the worst teams in the league. But they had a lot of young guys. They trusted the process. They developed. And now their world champions were trying to win. I want to win so badly. I put everything into it. I want everybody else to think like that. And that's been my goal, just bringing as many guys along as I possibly can. That was Max Crosby talking about his desire for the Raiders to start winning some games there. I don't believe that the Raiders are going to be a factor when it comes to the playoffs,

when it comes to competing for a Super Bowl in that division. I don't. But what I would say, it does feel for the first time in a long time, and this isn't a shot at Antonio Pierce. I just think he was in a situation where they had no real plan or direction. It does feel like they've at least got some plan and got some direction. I don't think it's going to result in them winning a bunch of games and they're going to the postseason. But Gino Smith is an upgrade.

You've got P. Carroll there. There's a whole bunch of energy in the building. Tom Brady's involvement. SpyTech's there as the GM. It does at least feel like they're on the path heading in the right direction after a lot of years of what are we doing? We're just reacting to the Gruden firing and trying to make a bunch of moves that just failed miserably from every. Everybody's info and input into the organization. All those moves failed.

It didn't work. And now at least they're on the path, hopefully getting back to where they're a respected organization. I mean, keep in mind, they added Ashton Genty to the team. They got Brock Bowers. I mean, they got some talent on this team. Yeah. But it's the AFC West. So let's reel in ourselves on getting carried away about they have the right direction.

Geno Smith is a fine quarterback. is he a bona fide franchise guy that can go into the AFC West and contend against the likes of Patrick Mahomes Justin Herbert

which I mean obviously you know that that goes without saying it could be a he defines himself this year or it could be he could be just a you know a guy that we keep saying should be a franchise guy but isn't quite a franchise guy and

And then you got Buddy in Denver and Bo Nix. Bo Nix, man. And I think Bo Nix has the capabilities with Sean Payton as his coach, which, by the way, if you bring into the coaches the full. Pete Carroll, arguably is the odd man out just because of how old he is. I mean, trying to reestablish it. Trying to reestablish what you've created at his age in a new space where things have been so topsy-turvy

is very chaotic and it's probably going to be very difficult. You got Andy Reid over here who's already got his systems in place and it works. It's an auto-pallet. You got Harball over here who has proven he is barred none like second to nobody in terms of being a dope coach

and I look for them to take a tremendous step forward this year with him having a little bit of time under his belt now. And then you have Sean Peyton like talk about is there a better is there a better division of coaches in the in the national football league in one singular concentrated place probably not and he reed has super bowls yeah uh what's what's sean payton john pey has super bowls uh peterl's got a super bowl p carroll's got a super bowl hardball has a super bowl appearance so national

championship. And he's a national championship guy. I just, you know, I think that it sounds good. And much like when John Madden told me my second year in the league that he would bungee cord out of the

good year blimp at the 50 yard line for the halftime show if the Washington Redskins at the time now the commanders had made it to the Super Bowl. I think if John was still living and had an interview with Max Crosby,

he would most likely respond to Max Crosby the same way he responded to me when he asked me, did we have a legitimate chance with our team to be able to make it to the Super Bowl? Well, look, in Max's defense, he just said, you know, they're trying to win games, they're trying, you know, he's trying as much as he can. He was rewarded with the contract extension this year.

I don't think, like I said, that they are a factor from a playoff standpoint. But don't you feel better about them? No. You don't feel better about that? Why should you feel better about them? Because they upgraded a quarterback. They've got a coach who's actually got support,

unlike your guy Antonio Pierce who was just trying to. You thought that Antonio Pierce had support. I mean, it sounded as though they were supporting AP to build this team and built the culture. And then they went away from them after a year. They've not done anything that's really different from what they've done in the past. they've made splash hires in the past. You don't think Gino Smith has an upgraded quarterback?

Yes, because they didn't have a starting quarterback last year. But he ain't too far off from a backup quarterback. That's now a starting quarterback. I mean, let's not get carried away here. Gino Smith is a fine football player. He's not an elite. Do you look at him as one of the elite quarterbacks in the league right now? No.

Then what are we talking about? That is the wrong team. If Gino Smith went to a different team and a different division, sure. The NFC West is wide open. All right. So just generally speaking, your feeling about the Raiders, is it not different this year than it has been the past couple of years? Are they going to finish ahead of the Broncos?

Probably not. Then they're going to finish last. Yeah. What? The wants her to feel good about it. But my point is they're not going to be a factor. but they've at least started in the right direction. Are they going to finish ahead of the Chargers?

Probably not. Then they're probably going to be last. Yes. All right. Yeah, there's still last plate. Listen, now, I'm not trying to sell the Raiders as a Super Bowl. I don't want to get into the business of being a supporter of being a great loser. Like, you're a better loser than this loser team over here.

I don't want to get into that business. Okay, but wouldn't you say 6 and 11 feels different than 4 and 13? No. I don't know. You still, but you, I mean. And there's an energy there. Pete Carroll's got some energy. You've got Pete Carroll like he's Doc Holiday falling off a horse with bloodline out of shirt.

I mean, he's kind of like Doc Holiday, man. I ain't going to go his bag. He ain't a longer. I don't think so. He's in great shape. Not a longer. He still throws the ball, but he's old. He's got that energy.

He's got Gino there, Tom Brady's influence in the building. I remember when Joe Gibbs came back and started coaching. And it was like the reunion of cocoon out there on the football field. man on everything like you you look at what you had Don bro he was using yeah man you had Don bro he was using a walker out there on the field you had one he had oxygen he had to have an oxygen tank with him I mean there's something about being an old coach bringing back the old gang like listen Pete Carroll isn't like that but I mean Gibbs did that and literally Chip Kelly's back come on man chip Kelly's a brilliant football mind it's he made some

good moves. I just don't until you see differently from a team like the Raiders there's no way you could definitively say you feel good about a team like that especially in the division and how

competitive that division is. I want to make a statement here and I want this you can F8 this behind the scenes there if you want to save this. I'm going to make a statement here right now the Las Vegas Raiders will be the most feel good last place team in the NFL this upcoming season. Of all the last place teams in the NFL this upcoming season,

we're going to feel best about the Raiders. That's happening. You think so? I think so. That's how that's going down. Why don't you put that in your pipes and smoke it? You think so? Yeah.

All right, let's determine, and we got to go pretty quickly here, but let's determine what are those last place teams? I'm not ready to go that far into it. I'm just saying right now, the Raiders you're going to feel good about at the end of this year. Hey, you know what, though? Heading in the right direction. There's other teams you look at you go, oh, they're just terrible. That team stinks.

Cleveland Browns. Terrible. Will the Jacksonville Jaguars finish last? Not ready to go there. Not ready to go there. Will the Steelers finish last place? Well, no, because of the Browns. Will the Carolina Panthers finish in last place?

No Oh Yeah I think the Saints will The Saints are terrible Will the Jets No I think the dolphins will Will the Dallas Cowboys

Or Giants Maybe one of those teams I'm not as high on Washington As everybody is A lot of people who are high at Washington Unless they lose Scary Terry to Pittsburgh Which if that happens

That'd be crazy But I think you should be high on Washington. You should be. They're going to be competitive. Listen, like I said, we've got a whole training camp and we've got preseason games. I'm not ready to break down. The New England Patriots. No, I don't think the Patriots are finishing last. I think the Dolphins are in that time. Oh, come on. Yeah. I'll tell you, the Raiders, feel good last place team of the NFL I don't buy that at all. That's like saying the Jets are a really feel good last place

finishing team. They're in the same category in comparison in Congress. I don't agree with that. I don't buy that, Jonas. That's cat. By the way, what does that mean? You're lying. I'm kidding. By the way.

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Yeah. Ryan Music. Yeah. Okay. NFL football, baby. Let's go. Travis Hunter, trying to become the first two-way superstar in modern NFL history. aspirations of being an all-pro cornerback

and an all-pro wide receiver for the Jacksonville Jaguars after winning the Heisman trophy at Colorado. Well, Travis Kelsey, he was on the Bustin with the Boys podcast. Bussing with him. He offered this analysis on Hunter playing both ways in the NFL. If he plays corner, they're going to run deep balls at him all day. They're going to run the wide receivers just take off on them all day

just to try and get his like him tired. I was like, why wouldn't you just attack him that way? It's one way to do it. He's got to be playing man. Duh. Clearly everybody would If you're going to try to run him

down field, I mean, Kelsey, just stick to playing offense, bro. There it is. There's called this safety, right? And when you play in zone coverage, if they're trying to just run him off, there's like this thing called a safety, right? And zone coverage, he covers his zone,

and that safety covers the zone over top of him so that your corner doesn't have to run down field every single play. Anyway, sound good in theory. I'm sure when he thought about it and it came out his mouth, it was like, you know what? That makes a ton of sense, but you're clearly not calling defensive teams. So I know Labar and I worked together too long because I saw the look on his face. I knew he was going to go, duh.

Duh. If you got a coach that's dumb enough to keep that young man in man coverage, all game, it just keeps sprinting him downfield in coverage. Go balls. That ain't about Travis Hunter. That's about the coaches. That's what I would say. Oh, my God.

Just run them downfield every play, you know. We'll get him tired. Hey, are y'all running man with Travis? Hey, is Hunter running? Is he running bed? All right. Go route. Fly, fly route.

Like, all right. It's like when you want your toddler to go to bed, it's just take him, just get him tired. Just run him around the yard. Just get him tired. And then finally he'll be good to go. That's how you handle it. Oh, there you go.

That's not exactly how it goes on. Let's wait and see if Travis Kelsey's brilliant idea comes to pass when the season is starting. I don't think that's going to keep him from getting all pro as a cornerback or as a receiver. There you go. All right, staying in the NFL. The NFL Network's top 100 players list as voted on by the players. They're starting to release

it in increments. We're starting to get a look at the early spots on the list. Dolphins quarterback Tuatunga Vailoa showing up at 91 on the list. Now notable drop of 55 places versus last year.

So Tua barely checking in on the list this year. How y'all feel about I mean, if he could stay healthy. I've been doing this show with you for so long. I just figured I'll let you say it because I was going to say it exactly the same way you did. That's the problem with him is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy. When he stays healthy and he produces, they're a completely different team. There splits with him in the lineup and not in the lineup are drastically different.

And he just can't stay healthy. I remember I bought this car. It was an Amadine color car. with a caramel inside. It was a gorgeous car. It was one of the first cars I ever buy. It was Mercedes-Benz. And it always had something wrong with it.

You ever have a lemon? You ever get a lemon of a car? Yeah, it's in the parking lot. Okay, well, yeah, there you go. Over there. You ain't going to highly rate a lemon. As nice as that car was, I drove my excursion all the time

because I always was dealing with some type of issue that had me roadside. Lost its rating, lost its ranking, and lost its trust with me, and I drove a way lesser of a car because I could trust dealing it,

and it was dependable, and that's why Tua is probably down 50 spots. I mean, you know who the backup is there? Zach Wilson. So they've got two Polynesian quarterbacks there in the room. Zach Wilson's Polynesian?

How's that work? No way. Yeah, it is. I don't believe it. Look that up. I'm not bad. We'll have proof of that coming up after the break. Let's see.

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