The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Looking at the Chiefs and Lions

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Colin talks to 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady about what makes the Chiefs and Lions clear Super Bowl favorites through 9 weeksSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the day after an election. Tom Brady in a couple of minutes, Sean McVeigh, in a little over an hour and 15 minutes. So last night they had the first college football rankings. I don't get too worked up over them. Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, Miami. Texas is just out of that top four.

Texas would beat Miami. Texas would beat Ohio State. I think Texas could beat Oregon. I think if they played Georgia again, Texas would win. I still think Texas is the best. looking team I've seen. They just got hammered at home against Georgia.

They got a little into their fields and Georgia was deeply offended. I think Miami, you're voting for Cam Ward and nostalgia. I don't think they're as good as these other teams. Oregon's the best team I've seen all year in terms of every time I watch Oregon, they're better. I think Texas has better talent.

You know, I talked about this earlier. I think that the college football playoff is the illusion of inclusion. It makes you feel better. We're letting the Boise states in. And that's great and that's fun i still think football much more than even basketball and we know the number one two three and four seats dominate college basketball the blue bloods you know villanova with j right carolinas kansas ucon you know the arizona's football even more so because you lose players

in these big games you get players injured so a small school like a boise state they can't play ohio state then play georgia they just can't do it they can knock off in oklahoma using some trick plays with a great coach chris peterson that that can't do it they can't do it they can knock off in oklahoma using some trick plays with a great coach Chris Peterson. That can happen. But I think you're going to find out by the end of the year. I was looking today at like Indiana. If this thing started today, Indiana would open at Tennessee. And then they would have three neutral site games to get to the national championship

against, you know, your Ohio states and your Georgia's. It's just not going to work. Right now they haven't played anybody. BYU hasn't played anybody. I think it makes everybody feel better. More people are invited to the party, at least for one day you get the VIP pass. but I still think when I look at this, I think Texas has the most talent.

I think George's second most talent, and I think Oregon and Ohio State are really, really, really good teams. Even when you get down to six and seven like Penn State, I don't think Penn State's close to a national championship team. I don't think Miami's close to a national championship team. I like Tennessee. I thought that was my pick at the beginning of the year. I thought Tennessee and Texas, Tennessee's pulled back a little bit their eighth.

I do think they could win a couple of games, though. And with that, seven-time Super Bowl champ. Tom Brady, 23 years. Best quarterback to ever play the game. So I was thinking about this, Tom, as I'm watching Kansas City. I still feel like, I said they're like an electric vehicle that's only charged about 50%. They're not, they're kind of trying to figure out what they are, backup running back. They don't know what to do with Xavier Worthy.

They just kind of go back. Your Randy Moss team, boom. You knew very early at special. But did you ever have a team that won a Super Bowl, but in the middle of a season, you didn't quite know what the offensive identity was? Because that's what I watched when I watched the Chiefs. I actually think they do have a great offensive identity. I think they – look, the game's about winning.

We talk about points. You talk about, you know, yards, and you talk about penalties and defensive stops. To me, at the end of the game, do you have more points than the other team? That's the maturity of a great team and a great organization. I played on a lot of teams. Some were a lot of offensive strengths. Some had a lot of defensive strengths. Some years, we were kind of middle of the packet both, but we played well situationally,

third down, red area two minute. Every year, that's the best part about the NFL is the constant transition, the constant change. You see they add DeAndre Hopkins at the trade deadline. So it's like in the end, when you have Patrick Mahomes and it's a one-score game, everyone's always betting on the Chiefs. Now, can someone get away from the Chiefs? I don't know because that defense plays so well. But I don't think Patrick Mahomes is a lesser player because he doesn't have 25 touchdowns at this point. It's just he's not playing with guys that can produce that from the receiver position so that,

naturally Patrick's job is to, and I covered him a few weeks ago when I said the job of the quarterback is to manage all the variables of the game and the season, injuries, weather, the rhythm of the offense, and then ultimately go out there and make the plays that put you in a position to win. And that's what winners do. And certainly Patrick is that. And then he's got Andy Reid there, who's as great of a coach in NFL history, he's on the kind of the Mount Rushmore of coaches. So you, you know, he's got Andy Reid there who's as great of a coach. You know, you know, he's on the kind of the Mount Rushmore of coaches. So you have this consistency of this organization from owner, general manager, coach, quarterback, and then to me a defensive coordinator in Spags that the way that defense plays puts them in a position to win every single week.

So it's obviously they can be beat. There's probably games where they could have been beat this year. But every game is decided by a few plays. And the reality of the Chief's team is they always find a way to make the plays when it matters. You know, I remember when Randy Moss played with you when you guys brought a new player in, and you had talked at the time, you're like, I'm Belichick, and you were like, he's just smart and he knows football. So obviously, D'Andre Hopkins doesn't know the entire playbook yet, but I'm watching him, and I'm like, especially that play in the back of the end zone. I'm like, God, you'd think they'd had 50 practices.

What is it about certain receivers with you, like Moss or D'Andre Hopkins? They don't have to know the playbook, but yet I felt like had I just landed on the planet and watched it. I would have never guessed he just showed up at the facility. What was it with Moss? What is it with a veteran receiver that a young receiver just couldn't do? That's a great question. So the reality is a great receiver, well, any receiver that's a veteran knows what a practice weeks looks like. They know how to run all the routes in the offense. Now, they may not know exactly where to line up because everyone has their variations of words and descriptive words they use to get people aligned, to get the protections organized, and then to call routes.

Some people use number systems. Some people use words that people have to memorize. Some people use a one-term word that tells everybody what to do. Kansas City does it kind of a myriad of different ways. And then once DeAndre can really comprehend that, he's going to say, oh, okay, that's what I used to call this outcut in Tennessee was like this, or in Houston. It was like but in KC, it's like this, but I still know how to run the route. So you have these veteran players that have the experience to run the routes, to know the offenses. It's not like, you know, when he played for Tennessee, the field was a different size.

You know, it's the same rules. It's the same routes. It's ultimately just how you call him. So once he gets out there and he's confident in what he has, you know, he's going to look like DeAndre Hopkins always has, which is, you know, he's got good quickness. he's got great catch radius, he's got this ability in situational place to make catches like that. And certainly as a red area target, and I just think if you look at the chiefs and their injuries at the receiver position to add someone like DeAndre who has that veteran presence,

and no game's going to be too big for him. He's played a lot of big games. So that always gives the quarterback a lot of confidence. I remember playing with certain rookie receivers. Literally it was like the first day of OTAs. and I'd call like, hey, run a slant. And he'd look at me like a slant, okay, and that's kind of the most generic route,

since we were running those in parking lots, you know, with your friends. And there was a few guys I'd play with that would, they'd start the route slow, then they'd speed up into the break, then they'd slow down coming out of the break, and then they'd look for the ball, and I'd look at it on and be like, what the hell was that?

You know, like, there's such a learning curve, that needs to happen from a rookie player, whereas when you get someone like DeAndre, you go, hey, DeAndre, run a slant. And it looks like a slant. It looks great. It's fluid. It's smooth.

You can play it. So with a rookie, there's such a learning curve. There's so many things to learn that you're never going to get that type of production in a short period of time of the rookie that you can get with a veteran, unless that's just a very special rookie. And I've had some of those guys to me are more anomalies than kind of what the norm is. I know you probably haven't sat and watched too many Denver games or Bears games, but with the young quarterbacks.

Obviously, they grew up in a different environment than you, seven-on-seven camps, way more snaps by the time they're 15 than you had. But go back to your career. I remember you doing an interview with Jay Glazer once, and you're like, I've seen everything, dude. You can throw anything at me. Where was the time in your career? You're pretty a learned guy.

You're very committed. How long did it take? You know, they always talk about things slow down a little. How long, Mahom's said it was year three. What was it for you? The question, the answer is it progressively gets more and more. And I would say maybe at year one, it's 50% of the way that you want it. And then year two, it's 60%.

And ultimately, you're trying to get to 100%. But even I think for Patrick, if I look at his situation and his development, he was very lucky to sit behind. And Patrick, let me get this out of the way. He is a phenomenal player. To me, he, Lamar, Josh Allen, you're talking about the upper echelon, as we all know. And Patrick is going to go down as one of the greats ever for a number of reasons. But if I look at him, he went to college at Texas Tech.

He had Cliff Kingsbury there with him for three years. An NFL caliber coach running a lot of NFL caliber type calls and methodologies on what he's doing. So he had three years of that. Then he goes to the chiefs, and he's got Alex Smith. as the guy that's ahead of him, who's a phenomenal player, great leader, does everything the right way. And then he's got Andy Reed as his play caller.

So it's like there's a reason why it all works and there's this development that happens and why Patrick has been able to ascend so quickly. And he would have found a way to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just saying I could never have reached this area of growth that I needed to, whether that was your one or three or five, it was accelerated because all the things that I had in place. When I was in college, I ran a pro-style offense. I got drafted. I had Bill Belichick teach me. I got to sit behind Drew Bledsoe. I worked really hard to learn all those things and embrace the challenge. And I think when you're a young quarterback, ultimately that's what you're trying to do.

Be in a situation where you can learn, grow, develop. It's all about mentorship. It's all about the people that come in your life. I see Bo Nix from DeVille. Denver. He's got Sean Payton there. It's a phenomenal coach. He's going to get great coaching. They're going to have great scheme. A lot of times the first reads for him are going to be open because he's got a great play caller that knows how to design things. So then you go on the other side of it. I've seen a lot of quarterbacks that don't make it. Maybe they wouldn't have made it anyway. But I'm just saying there's a potential that they could have. Look at Sam Darnold now. He's playing really well in Minnesota. He's got a good coach. He's got a good scheme. He's got some

good receivers. He's playing well. When he was at the Jets, he didn't have all those things quite in place. So we always have to look at, I think, the physical makeup of these young players. What are they capable of? Do they have good arms? Do they have great arms? Are they athletic? Can they get out of the pocket? And then to me, there's a mental element that always comes into quarterback play. And I said in this last game against Green Bay, it was watching Green Bay Lions this last weekend, I said, there's no way for me to really see sustained success in the NFL at the quarterback position if you don't have total control of what's being done out on the field. If you're expecting you're a coach to call a play from the sideline,

and that play's going to come into your helmet, you're going to call it, you're going to walk to the line of scrimmage, and that play is going to be successful, regardless of the defensive look, you're out of your mind. That's not the way it works. The defense calls plays to stop you, and they have their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately to decide, okay, I got a play called. I see what the defense is doing. Is this play going to work or not?

If it's going to work, you run it. If it's not, what do I need to do to survive the down, or what do I need to put us in a position to be really successful? That to me is the operational control the quarterback's need. And the problem is with the development of height of college programs now, they're not getting developed in the same way. Now they get to a pro program. And a lot of the NFL programs, there's so much money going around. You know, the need to develop is guys can sign one or two contracts and not develop and still make a great living. So I would love to see the quarterback play continue to evolve and grow.

It's only going to come from more time on task. more time with your coaches, more understanding of what your roles and responsibility are. You're supposed to develop a toolkit as a quarterback to deal with what you see on the game every single day. I've seen Jared Goff, again, covering him this last game. It was awesome to watch. In L.A., he had a great system. He had McVeigh to learn under. He brought that.

He comes to a phenomenal program in Detroit right now, where to me they're doing a lot of things the right way. Their offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson, says, all right, Jared, we're going to put more and more. on your plate. We're going to give you a great opportunity to succeed. And you have to have the ability to process a lot of information, which is one of Jared strengths, to actually implement all those things. And when you do it well, to me, that's what gives you a great chance to win every single week in the NFL. So Bill Belichick said a couple of weeks ago when asked about Detroit, he's like, they've got everything offensively. You hope they make a mistake. And you just call the game. And Green Bay's got a good team. It looked like older brother, young.

younger brother, let me teach you how to play football. Go back. I mean, Detroit O-line, tackles, run game, tight end, quarterback. Go back to your career. Because I felt like Green Bay very quickly was like, we're a little out of our element here. This is a really, really. So go back to your career. Was there ever a team you played? And you may not have said this to your teammates, but you thought to yourself,

I'm not sure they have a weakness. Like that is pro bowlers everywhere. I watched Detroit's offense, Tom. I don't know what the weakness is. Deep ball, slants, slots. Did you ever face a team like that where you looked at the personnel and thought it's almost a perfect offense?

I would say the only, I would say the early Colts offenses we faced. They had Saturday, they had Terry Glenn, tied in, they had Pollard, they had at times Dallas Clark, They had Marvin, they had Reggie, they had Stokely, they had Edrin. They were so good. And I'm lucky I didn't have to go against them.

To me, it was great. Belichick would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting. Understand this. They are gonna move the ball on us. They're too good. They got so many guys. They're gonna go up and down. We need to play good red area defense. And we're gonna work on red area defense.

work on Red Area defense on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, because that's going to decide the game. They're going to get the ball down there, which is a great humility from a coach who's a defensive coach, who's essentially the coordinator to say, these guys are so good, we're not going to just pull the wool over eyes and thinks that we're going to keep these guys at 240 yards offense. They're going to have yards. What we need to do is keep the points down. If we can keep the points down and offensively, we can control the game, we can run the ball, and then we can score points, we're going to give ourselves a best chance to win.

That, to me, is complementary football. Right. So when you play the Lions, the only way to beat them is to play a style where the offense complements the defense, and then the kicking game does their job. Sometimes when you punt, you play great field position. Okay, offensively, the best defense against the lion's offense to me, me is to me is possess the football. You don't want to make it a track meet against a team that can run it. They throw it to their tight end. They throw it to their receivers. When they get James and

William back, they have the explosive receiver. So there's so many, and they go for it on fourth downs so often. You know, you got to stop them for four downs, not just three, which is a really hard thing to do. So there's a lot of challenges that the lions are presenting. And look, the one game they did lose this year. They were one of six in the red area. That's right. Against the bucks. So to me, they got a great offense, and they got a lot of humility. They got a great culture. To me, they're doing so many things the right way in the NFL right now. So you're calling the San Francisco game this weekend.

When, you know, and I think Brock's a good player, but I also think, and you're a great example of this. Executives miss all the time on players. Antonio Gates and Tony Romo weren't drafted. There's players all over. I watched the kid for the Rams this weekend. Some undrafted safety had his fourth pick. There's talent everywhere. What was the thing when the first time you saw Brock Purdy?

Obviously, you weren't wowed by his size. His arm strength is good enough. What was the first thing that you saw? I wouldn't see this. You would see this and you thought, that guy's pretty good. Like, is there something that you see because you played the position, a tell like in poker that you were like, yeah, this kid's going to work? Sure.

So I think it's poise and composure. It's calm under chaos. That's what the quarterback needs to do, and he walks into that huddle. He needs 10 other guys looking at him go, all right, man, you're totally under control. And whatever you say, we're going to do to our best leagues because we know you're going to deliver. And they all have that confidence in Brock is a player. And you're right, Brock's not the biggest. His arm strength isn't like Aaron Rogers.

But if he can play with anticipation. And this offense, to me, even studying the last few days, is a lot different than the one that they had last year and the year before. They had so many weapons the last couple years. You know, Brock essentially was a point guard out there just delivering balls to halfbacks and flip it out there to D-Bone gain yards. And then he's got IUK, you know, catching in cuts and running for a lot. He's, oh, you forgot about Kittle. Boom, we're going to throw over the top of you there. This offense has been in and out of a lot of their great players.

And I think getting McCaffrey back is so important for this offense because he provides that passing threat out of the backfield that they just haven't had this year. So now the defense has to come up closer to the line of scrimmage to defend the run with Christian as well as the pass. And that to me opens up more the intermediate and deeper parts of the field for Brock, where they've kind of been throwing more of these intermediate type targets on the field, which I don't think is necessarily the strength of that offense. So if they can get back, if they can get Christian back, playing well with Mason and McCaffrey, wow, that's a great group. Then at receiver, obviously, Luce and Iyuk is a brutal loss. But they drafted Pearsall in the first round. He's going to get his legs underneath them.

You've still got Jennings, who to me is one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL, performed so well in the Super Bowl. They have a ton of confidence in him. And then Debo, his versatility. You still got Euse Chek, who's a ridiculous chess piece. piece per Kyle. And then you have Kittle who can turn up from time to time and go, holy cat, we almost forgot about him. And then not to mention a phenomenal offensive line. So they still have all the pieces in place. Now, they've kind of always seemed to turn around their season around the

by week. This is when they need to do it. They just had their by week. We'll see, you know, if they get Greenlaw back on defense, that would be a huge boost. Unfortunately, what they really miss on defense, they lost Hargrave. They lost this interior rusher. So now, Now it's really kind of a one-man show at Bosa on the perimeter, but if they can get Greenlaw back and get him playing close to the way that he was playing in there with Warner, you have one of the best handums in the league, if not the best at linebacker. They rush the quarterback a little better, and then that secondary unit, which has always got a lot of tight coverage, they can capitalize on offensive mistakes.

So I would never count out the 49ers. I think they're so well coached. They got a great system in place. a great culture of guys that know how to win. You know, those are all the things you look for with the Niners. Seven Rings. Tom Brady, Fox Sports, taking time for us today. Tom, I appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. Great talking to your partner. All right. I'm here for you any time. You know that.

All right. Thanks, Tom. I appreciate that. So, yeah, the Brock Purdy thing is, I think you and I, I think you've come down a little on him. I've gone up on him, and I think we're meeting of the minds with Brock Purdy. I think we both regard him as a B-plus-plus-plus quarterback. No, he's an A-quarterback. Sorry. I'm not willing to come down off an A for Brock Purdy just because he's been without all of his stars this season.

But yeah, Izzy Mahomes, no. But it sounds like Tom Brady really likes Brock Purdy. Well, you should. One of us compared Brock Purdy to Tom Brady. Early Tom Brady, you know, late-round pick. Yeah, well, I'd slow down a little on that. It's the day after the election, a little hyperbolic. Your mood swings today are a little different than most days, you know.

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Sean McVeigh, Coe to the L.A. Rams is stopping by there. I don't think we've ever had Sean on the show before. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, it's time to talk Dallas Cowboys. I know you love talking about Dallas and the news. this downward spiral. So Dax headed to the IR after the fifth loss of the season. They're three and

five, third of the NFC East. They have yet to play Philly or Washington, which is really bad news. But Jerry Jones, hey, of course, he's praising Mike McCarthy. I'm good with Mike. I know how hard he works. I like his football mind. I know how good he works. He's got in my mind an outstanding coaching record. He's really good with the players. They think highly of him. But he's got a lot of fire in his belly.

And so I'm just giving you this. I like the positives I see. Yeah, very positive. Affirmation. Very, where would you put? Just for fun. If I said to you, where is, name the best coaches in the league. You go Andy Reed. And then we know we go through the McVeves, Shannonhan.

Lafleur's got to be in there. Lefleur's in there. And John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh. Tomlin. Tomlin. You get to about seven or eight or nine. And then you get into the what do you do with Mike McCarthy? Because he's got a ring. Ten to twenty range, somewhere in there? Okay. All right.

That's kind of how I feel. I don't... I mean, I'll just toss a guy at you. And it's not what you've done. It's what you are as a coach right now. Would you rather have McCarthy or McDaniel from Miami? McCarthy. Okay, Kevin O'Connell or McInty? I had a feeling you'd go there.

There's so many young coaches in the league. Like McVeigh, obviously you have over McCarthy. Dan Quinn's been around the block. Now, he's a defensive guy. He was on McCarthy's staff. Well, they both been to a Super Bowl. I think I'm a little more of a Dan Quinn. Have you seen the Cowboys defensive number?

since Dan Quinn left. Very interesting. Yeah, it's not the same defense. So now some of it's injuries, but it's not like a team was totally healthy when Dan Quinn was there. I think I would probably buy an inch take Dan Quinn. Stifansky or McCarthy? Stavansky. This was tough.

Zach Taylor or McCarthy? I would say Sean Payton, but I already know. No, Sean Payton. So that puts McCarthy in like the 13 to 18 range probably? Yeah, I think closer to 13. I mean, there's like six or seven coaches. No, I think he's more than capable. I think it's the Dan Quinn thing.

I thought Dan Quinn was good in Atlanta when he had Shanahan especially. He's kind of dependent on his OC. Dan Quinn's been excellent when he's had Shanahan or Cliff Kingsbury. So he's a guy that has needed the really high-end coordinator to crush it. Don't you think everybody needs a high-end cord? Everybody needs a wingman. Andy Reid needs Spagnolo. Spagnola is amazing.

Right. I mean, yeah, I think Andy Reid is good regardless, but I think Spagno. bags takes, the great coordinator takes you to Super Bowls. That combo is the best in the league. All right, let's go to the Lions. They got a big road win in Lambo last week, silencing the doubters, including both of us, whether or not they could keep up their dominance while battling the elements. Packers players talked a lot of trash before the game during the game and after the game,

Colin, with an offensive lineman actually saying they were that the better team did not win. Oh, boy. Jared Goff attributed the win to execution. You know, getting after them. And I think the mistakes that showed up, you know, they certainly pivoted the game. And we were able to play pretty mistake-free and take care of the ball and hold it tight, squeeze it tight, catch the ball when it came their way. I was able to remain pretty accurate and our O-line protected pretty well.

So, yeah, all those things come into play when you play in weather like that. And I thought we handled it really well. I thought Green Bay looked like a young, immature team. Loose, mistakes, just did not look buttoned up. And I thought Detroit looked, and they are, like the more veteran, older brother, better team. I just thought Green Bay looked a little out of sorts and a little out of their depth and a little immature. I don't want to go overboard here. Could we call up the Packers schedule?

Because, Colin, there are some warning signs here. What? For the Packers, maybe not being a lock for the playoffs. I know that's, like, unfathomable. because we love LaFleur and Jordan love them good. They still have at Chicago,

and I don't think that's a lock by any stretch. I don't think the Bears have quit like all the reports are. They have good defense. They've got versus San Francisco. That Christian McCaffrey will be back. Debo's going to be back.

Versus Miami. Now, we'll see what the weather's like. Miami coming out Lambo. Detroit Lions again. At Seattle, not the easiest place to play. You see the Saints on the screen and then they close the Vikings and Bears.

The NFC is loaded. they're going to have to get at least, at least 10 wins. Do you definitely see four? Yes, they'll make the playoffs. Here's why. Because Detroit's the team that beat you up physically and they get a buy. So they get a buy. Okay.

So it's a perfect place for a buy. When you play the Niners or the Lions and the NFC, you'll want to buy the following week because they just pound on you, keep your defense on the field, you're a little banged up, very physical team. So they split with the Bears. They'll beat the Bears in Chicago. I don't trust that. I mean, again.

Saints, we'll give them. The Saints win. So that's two. You need two more. Oh, they'll, you know, Seattle, who knows what they'll be at that point? Seattle's O-lines a mess. Yeah, but that, I think, I think the tough, there's two tough games. I think they're at Minnesota and at Detroit are L's.

Well, wait, not only is it at Detroit, but the week after that is at Seattle. So they have to get beat up by Detroit, then fly across the country. Yeah, that's a rough spot. It's a rough spot. You got them winning 10? Yeah, I think there are 10. I had him winning the division. I'd probably say Detroit, but they're a double-digit win team.

Because they're going to have to pass the Vikings. I don't know that that's a lock. I don't want to make Green Bay fans get nervous, but that schedule ain't easy, and the NFC's tough. Final story is to the NBA. Lakers. Oh, man, remember when they were 3 and 0? Well, they lost to the Pistons.

And went 1 and 3 on their recent road trip. Anthony Davis has been dominant, but he thinks that the team hasn't been consistent enough. There's two different teams right now You know, one game You know, we're You know, this team who You know who we showcase to be one of the better teams

In the league And the next, you know We're this team who I don't even know who we are So, it's got to be better You know So on the starters, start the game, obviously So I don't watch a lot of NBA till January

When we get to the playoffs There's fewer games and I start watching more College basketball I start watching in February So if you watch the Lakers, I've seen highlights. Oh, you should watch the Lakers tonight against Memphis. It's better than watching the alternatives on television tonight. Well, what are the alternatives on Wednesday? Oh, election stuff.

We know who won. Anthony Davis leads the NBA in scoring. I did not know that. Holy cow. But LeBron's numbers down a little. How old is he again? Is he 49 or? Yeah.

He's an old man. He's still averaging 21, 6 and 7. That Dalton Connect kid, how's he doing? He's not playing enough because JJ Reddick's leaning heavily on the starters, which I don't like, a little tibodeo-ish of him. Lakers at 4 and 3. Memphis, John Morant, I don't know if you've seen him in action. He's doing some interesting different...

I've seen highlights. And Zach Eadie. No, now he's off to a decent start? He's going to be... I mean, he's the leader for rookie the year, for sure. And Zach E.D. versus A.D. is going to be interesting matchup tonight. Let's get into some NBA tonight. You know, remember during college basketball, we had Dan Hurley on.

That's right. And I had Mark Few on, and I've asked both of them if I recall about Zach Edie. And both said, if Zach Edie's not good in the NBA, the NBA has a problem. Mark Few said it's, and Mark Fu's coached the Olympic teams. And he's like, I've seen college and pro. Mark Few, I think, said on the air, we can't stop Zach Eadie. He's the only player I've played, we can't stop him. So there was this idea about a year ago that he wouldn't work in the NBA.

And then I will say this. Then he came back and he looked quicker. He'd, like, lost weight. He was leaner. He moved better. Because I wondered early, too. I'm like, who is he going to defend in the NBA? But then the last year, he looked like he was much leaner.

I mean, Purdue was good with Matt Painter's team was good. But I was concentrating on Eady. And so we predicted he would be the rookie of the year. I think you're spot on. Lakers, they kind of need a win tonight. The upcoming schedule is tough. You don't want to dip under 500 when nobody's paying attention. And then everybody looks up and you're like, oh, Lakers are four and eight?

You don't need that. I don't suggest betting on the NBA in November, but it could be an opportunity on the Lakers' time. Oh. By the way, did you see Zach Eadie last time out, had a block shot at one end, comes down and hits a transition three? I mean, he's 7-4. Edy is impressive, man. I didn't think he'd be this good. It's so funny, though, how the NBA loves international players.

But if you stay in college for a couple years, everybody's always like, yeah, you've been in college for two or three years. You've seen him. That's the problem is you see so much of them at Purdue or Michigan State. You see so much of them, you pick him apart. And then you get some grainy video from Lithuanian. You're like, this guy's the best player in the world. The opposite is true in football.

We saw Bo Nix for, what, 60-some-odd starts? And the more we saw him, we liked him. And you like him and you want him in the NFL. But in the NBA, they're like, we've seen three years of Zach E. Dominating, no thanks. It's almost like if you, the longer you stay in college, it totally works against you in basketball. Big time. Jay Mack for the news.

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Pacific on 5th. I was talking to a buddy yesterday. He was down in New Orleans and he was talking about, he said, he was talking about, man, the Sunday lineup in the NFL isn't great. Last week, I thought there was a lot of good games. And this is what happens when you have a Thursday game. So you take Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson

out of Sunday. And this past week, you took Baker, Mayfield, and Mahalms out of Sunday. So the better the Amazon lineup and the Monday Night Football lineup, I mean, this week we only have two late games. I think there's some really good matchups. Obviously, I think tomorrow is interesting. I think Baltimore is a much better team.

But I think San Francisco at Tampa is an interesting game. I think the Steelers at Washington is a really interesting game. I actually think the Colts will play the Buffalo Bills close. I think Denver getting crushed. Coming back at Kansas City, Kansas City on a short week, I think Denver will play really, really well against Kansas City. I think Philadelphia is going to hammer Dallas. You know what? I hate to say this.

That Jets Arizona game is fascinating. You're a Jets fan. Arizona has now played back-to-back weeks really good football. Do you trust Arizona three straight weeks to play great football? I don't. I don't. I would lean Jets. By the way, I got it wrong.

There's three games in the 4 o'clock window, but none of them are great. Philadelphia, Dallas, with the backup, Tennessee with the backup. But, like, Jets, Arizona, kind of a good game? It is, it is. Sadly, but every game for the Jets from here or not, Colin, every game is an elimination game. You can't lose again. Seven losses?

I mean, listen, I look at games and I look at quarterback. So I get, on Monday night, I get two against Stafford. That's a good game. I get Jared Goff against C.J. Stroud. That's a good game. I get Aaron Rogers against Kyler. Murray, that's a good game. I get Bo Nix against Mahomes. I think that'll be an interesting

game. Really? Oh, I think Denver's going to play. Remember, Kansas City short week went to overtime, teams that play overtime in a short week, and Denver got crushed. So Denver, anytime you get humiliated, teams that have capable coaching and players

usually play really well the following week. So I would take Denver to keep the game against Kansas City very close. So they just went to back-to-back road games. They just went to Baltimore. elite team and got run over. Yeah, Kansas City is a 50-minute flight. That's not even over.

Okay, but then you've got to go fly home and then back out to KC to face undefeat. You're facing the two best teams in the AFC back-to-back weeks? Yeah, I think, I think, but you've got to remember, division rivals, you know their personnel. It's different. Playing Baltimore, if you don't play Lamar Jackson regularly, I mean, go look at the teams. Think about how good Detroit's been for two years. Detroit last year got humiliated playing Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson humiliates everybody. If you don't play him regularly,

Mahomes doesn't even do that. But there's something about Lamar Jackson stylistically that nobody plays like him. So if you don't play him regularly, you just get trounced. How's this one? So the Buffalo Indianapolis game, everybody just saw the Colts on Sunday night football

not get to the Reds old once. They look terrible. Guess who's taking money this week against Buffalo, Indianapolis? Oh, no, I think the Colt to the side. Absolutely. The way you saw Miami run all over Buffalo, run all over them. Jonathan Taylor can do that.

I just wanted to do they have an Anthony Richardson package ready for some quarterback keepers, some interesting wrinkles, shall we say, if the Colts want to keep their season alive. You're going to think I'm crazy saying this. I think Denver at Kansas City is the potential upset of the week. Put it in a blazing five, then. Go for it. Go ahead. What's the number?

Eight. Oh, that is a risky move. Mahomes is not a great big favorite quarterback. That's a good point. Did not cover the spread on Monday? No, he doesn't. And I don't like big favorites. Last week I took my first big favorite of the year in Baltimore, and it was the easiest win for me.

Lock City, yeah. So I had the three and two record last week. Well, I'll say this. That Atlanta New Orleans game, everybody loves to bet after you fire the coach, everybody bets the team. I don't see how you can bet the New Orleans Saints. They traded Latimore. Locker room seems like it's a mess. Yeah.

Coach gone. Special teams guy running the show. You know what it's really interesting? So this will be the best defense that Jaden Daniels has faced. Yeah, that's the game of the week. I think, well, again, Russell Wilson, old school, old school, everything in Pittsburgh,

against New School Washington. That's a really good game. I have a stat. One of my buddies in D.C. sent me. Do you know what Mike Tomlin's record is against rookie quarterbacks, Colin? Let me guess. in his career.

Yeah. 27 and 7. Wow, that's close. 25 and 5. Mike Tomlin dominates rookie quarterbacks. He's a smart defensive mind. Also, they had a buy week. Are they a two and a half point dog?

Yeah. That's a, there's a tough spot for Jaden Daniels. But I'm just telling you, I bet against Washington enough this season and I keep losing. So I'm not doing it anymore. They're good. Yeah. That's a great game. Yeah, I really like.

I got to be honest with you. The later you get into the schedule this week, I think when you can get really good quarterback matchups, Aaron Rogers at Kyler Murray, golf at C.J. Stroud, two at McVeigh. Those are three, those are watchable games. I think tomorrow, I think Baltimore's going to hammer Cincinnati,

but Joe Burrow, oh, I think Baltimore is really good. We might need to put a steak dinner on that one. Are you doing okay today? If you're interested, I'm great. Okay. Just like a Jets loss. I don't really, none of this stuff bothers me. My wife calls me the unbothered king

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