The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Looking at the NBA

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

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Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, hour two to Tuesday. Welcome in live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for Megan House part of your day. Congrats to Yukon. And then Caitlin Clark, Zach Edy, great players, historically dominating players,

overwhelmed by much better teams. That's sort of the story of most of sports. The team beats the great player. J-Mack. Nick Wright's going to join. just in a few minutes. It's good to be back. You're off vacation now.

You're back. Yeah, trying to plan another vacation now. Isn't that what you do when you're on vacation? You're like, oh, this is so fun. That's what old people do that. When they're eating breakfast, they're planning lunch and dinner. Thank you for telling me I'm old. That makes it so awesome.

I am not planning vacations. I am here for the grind all the way through the draft. Oh, really? Yeah. And then the NBA playoffs, I think, Ryan, we could check on this. Don't the playoffs start like next week, late next week or something like that? They start like, is it next weekend?

The play-in is the playoffs. Are they? Yes. You think of the playing-in games feel like a regular season game? The play-in games feel like the playoffs. I will not miss a playing game. Of course, yeah. Laker A, I think it was regular.

Last year was amazing. Yeah, I don't care what it's classified. Yeah. Oh. By the way, can I just give you a shout out for that Zach Ead discussion we had first hour? It was good. I just checked my phone. I had like four friends texting a lot of disagreement on whether or not

Zach Ead can be like a viable pro. and you should take them early. People seem divided on this. You're hot for Evey. I wasn't a year ago. Yeah. It's called New Information. He's a much more dominant player.

And the other thing is, he's 7, 4, 300 pounds. Dude's in good shape. There's a lot of times bigs look awkward. You know, they're not coordinated. They're sloppy. Like, that dude is, it's like Janus. You got abs. Like, Zach Edy is strong.

But we see Chet Hongren and Wembeen Yama, and I'm like, I want that. I don't think he's that kind of player. He's not, those are, Wembe could be the best player in the league by the All-Star break next year. Yeah. Okay, and Chuck Holgren looks like an All-Star. I'm not saying that. I'm saying, you tell me he can't play?

But is E.D. going to dominate, say, Bam out of Bayo? Is he going to totally wreck Rudy? No, Bam-Odabio is an All-Star. Okay. But can he be on the floor with Bam-onabayu and serve himself okay? Can you give me 16 minutes a night? 9.7 rebounds a block. A very serviceable rotational player.

I think that's reasonable. For a bad team, maybe a starter occasionally. I don't want to go into a bad team. You go to Charlotte, it's over. We'll see you in 10 years when you're playing in Turkey or Serbia. Charlotte's having a rough run. NBA NFL. You think?

It's like two decades? Sheshefsky retired. Roy Williams out. Could be a long decade. That used to be a hotbed for basketball. Remember Larry Johnson and Alonzo morning? Yeah. So, Brony James, according to Sharm Sharania, is viewed as an NBA caliber defender

by teams, you know, that are going through draft decisions. So this is what we said yesterday. If you're all worked up over this story, you're a LeBron hater. You're telling on yourself. The 2013 draft is probably the worst draft ever. Anthony Bennett was number one. You were taking like rotational players in the top 10. Best player was Janus.

Arguably second best player was Rudy Gobert. He was late first, and it took him years to develop. this is a bad draft, which is amazing to me, because the NFL on an annual basis, can give you Brock Purdy as the last player picked in the seventh round? Half the NFL starters are undrafted. Guys like Antonio Gates, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, undrafted, great football players. This year, there may be like two to three really good players, and that's it in two rounds. So I said yesterday, he's a smart kid, he's a hard worker. I made one phone call, and they said

in this draft, you could take him at the 55th pick if you were the Lakers. He's going to get better because of his physical situation, the cardiac arrest. He's not the same player he was before that. Mick Cronin, UCLA basketball coach recruited him, saw him a lot in high school, and talked about him yesterday. You imagine growing up sitting watching basketball games and talking to your dad, Your dad's LeBron James. But to you, he's your dad. The big advantage of if your parent was a good player because you've been taught the game.

A lot of legacy players now. It's not taught, I mean, in recruiting a guy, I try to search for him. So it's a huge advantage when you can grow up around that. Because not only is a Bronny talks to his dad, who do you think his dad's friends are, other good players? Right? I mean, look who they're, you know, so far advanced, and you don't even know it that by the time you're 13,

how much basketball you really know. Yeah, so I have no problem if the Lakers said, all right, we'll draft you a 55th pick. It's about a million dollars a year. We just signed LeBron to $180 million contract. So we're paying $181 million for LeBron James and his son. I'm okay with it. Also, the Lakers need defenders, wing defenders, and shooters. And he's getting better as a shooter.

So listen, we may not have one single domestic star in this draft, which is crazy. I mean, that's crazy, but it tells you what's happening to our basketball culture in America. That's a different topic. But this is a bad draft. You can't tell me you're worked up over, you know, LeBron James Sun getting drafted. I said this yesterday on the show. Every time you're on the freeway, you see a plumbing truck. Doesn't it say Johnson and Sons?

Right? How'd you get into law school? Oh, your dad went there. You didn't really quite qualify. There were, yeah, okay. This is the way. If you started a business, I did three years ago. I started with people I knew.

I'm okay with it. It's not like he can't play. It's not like you're asking him to be a lottery pick in a terrible draft. Can he go to the Lakers? Defender can shoot. I don't know. Played college here. With that, we bring in Nick Wright.

First things first, joining us live. Yeah, my take on the brawny thing is the way the world works is everybody, I mean, this is the way college works. How many times has somebody asked me, can you get my daughter or son? on an internship at Fox. Like, that's the world.

If Brunney gets drafted 55th, I'm like, I'm okay with it. What do you make of it? I mean, maybe you're okay with it, Colin, but I'm highly critical of those types of family connections, and I discussed that about 90 minutes ago on What's Right with Nick Wright, a podcast and YouTube show I host with my son that you can catch everywhere. I mean, give me a break.

I mean, I mean, let's like, this is the, Anyone check the Patriots power structure? Because I'm pretty sure Robert Kraft's son, Jonathan Kraft, is in the process of hiring Elliot Wolf to be their full-time GM son of Ron Wolf. And Elliot Wolf's right-hand man is the son of a longtime patron. Listen, we have been fine for years with nepotism in front offices, coaching, and ownership in sports. We see it all over the place in sports and in real world businesses.

And here is where I would push back even further against the criticism, which is we have seen players not nearly LeBron James Cache be able to help out their siblings. The Knicks signed J.R. Smith's brother Chris to a contest. as part of the recruitment of JR. The entire Antingupo bloodline has been getting NBA paychecks seemingly because of Janus. And so I would totally understand if a team says, all right, what are the probabilities of a second round pick panning out, a late second round pick historically, less than 10%. So, yeah, take a flyer on LeBrony James, you know, for no other reason than the name and what it will do for our relationship with LeBron.

What is to me, the more interesting question is this one, Colin, and I do not think this is going to happen because I do think LeBron is going to stay with the Lakers. But if LeBron were actually open to leaving the Lakers this offseason, what pick would you trade straight up to have LeBron? James on a reasonable contract. Would he be worth the 20th pick of the draft, a year 22, 40-year-old LeBron James? Would he worth the 24th pick of the draft? If he is open to leaving, would a team, a contending team like, say, the Knicks or the Sixers, spend a first-round pick on Brani because they're actually spending the pick on securing LeBron? I don't think that's going to happen, but that's an interesting thought exercise, but of course the Lakers spending the 55th pick on Brony James

shouldn't bother anybody unless they have an axe to grind with LeBron. So I was saying this. I've been arguing with JMAQ. It's the weakest draft they're saying since the Anthony Bennett draft, maybe worse. There's no domestic stars in the top three or four. And I said with Zach Eadie, the entire NBA uses the same data and analytics. And then Minnesota said, yeah, we're going to go with two centers.

and they're the number one seed in the West. By the way, I saw this with David Robinson Duncan, the Twin Towers in Houston. They're like, you know what, we're going to switch it up and do something different. We see this in the NFL where maybe because they had to, Tennessee said, we're going to be a run team, and they ended up the number one seed in the AFC.

So I am for contrarian thinkers. My take on Zach Eady is he got an NBA big in foul trouble all night, a big that had dominated players. He scored 37. He had no real help. One other guy scored 12. He had no real help. and he is a different player than a year ago

when he was very good a year ago, but he seems stronger, 7-4-300, and he's kind of ripped. He doesn't move great, but he moves well enough to be an NBA draft pick and a bad draft, doesn't it? So I have evolved on EAD as well because if a guy putting up a 40 and 10 in the elite eight doesn't make you move, then why play the games?

If a guy going 37 and 10 in the championship game against the most dominant other seven-footer in college basketball doesn't at least make you adjust your eyes, then what will? I'm going to add another element here, Colin. And it's not that I think this guy can be a star, but if you'd ask me three months ago about Zach Eady, I'd have said he's Boban Marjanovitch. I don't think that anymore. I think he is more than that because of what we saw him do. And the other element is this. He played every single minute last night. How much better will he look athletically if he's playing 18 or 20 minutes of a 48-minute game

rather than 39 and a half minutes of a 40-minute game? Our mutual friend and regular herd guest, Kevin O'Connor, throughout an interesting draft team for him, which was, I heard you and J-Mack talking about how he would do against BAM. what about him alongside BAM? What about the Miami Heat saying, we have BAM who can spread the floor offensively. Zach can stay closer to the basket on that side of the ball,

and then BAM can rove defensively and handle some of those coverages that we think Zach couldn't deal with. I do think he's an NBA player, and I know that Clingin is considered the far better NBA prospects. I don't think that Clingin will be. a better NBA player than Zach Eady. I don't think either will be stars, and I'm not even sure either is a long-term starter,

but I do think Zach Eadie is an NBA player, and I didn't think that at the beginning of this season. I was saying if they were movies, Kentucky basketball is Barbie, and Yukon is Oppenheimer, a historic three-hour movie on the atomic bomb, and it swept through the awards. You'd say to yourself, who's going to sit through three hours? It's a history lesson,

but that's what they are. serious program for serious people. And I watched them last night. And I got to tell you, I don't know where they rank it. They remind me a bit of the Villanova team, maybe deeper that had Jalen Brunson, Eric Pascal, McAil Bridges, like, yeah, you're not, this is just too many good players. But I just, I look at this program and I'm like, did they surpass Duke last night over the last 25 years as America's Best College Basketball Program?

Well, over the last 25 years, they are without a question, America's Best College basketball program. They have six titles. I think they have as many, they have more titles in the last 25 years than Duke has in its history. The question is, are they now officially a, quote, blue blood, unquote, and if so, do we have to kick somebody out, or is there, you know, a limitless supply? No, I mean that because UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, Duke, there's five. U-Kons better than all of them over the last quarter century and historically, really only

Kentucky and UCLA have them far-trumped and you could argue North Carolina has them ticked, but to win six titles with three different coaches to now have a back-to-back championship run, Colin,

where no one covered, no one came within a dozen points. Both of these things can be true. Against their current competition, it's one of the most dominant teams ever, and they are not one of the 20 best college basketball teams this year's Yukon team of all time just because of the way the sport has changed. I smiled a bit when they mentioned at the broadcast that this is the first national championship game to have two starting seven footers in 40 years. And the one 40 years ago was Ewing

Olajuwon. And I was like, okay, yeah, the sport's a little different. Like, 40 years ago, we got Ewing Olajuan going for the national title, and this year we have Eid Klingin. So the sports changed, and Yukon has, you know, dominated in credit to Hurley.

Listen, Hurley's in the same, bucket of coaches as I kind of mentally put in Nick Siriani where it irritates me. Like, why are you yelling at E. Why are you shoving? Why are you shoving? loving your own player on the court.

But unlike Siriani, he has gotten it done in the biggest moments, the biggest spots, and he's unquestionably right now has earned the title as the best coach in the sport. I wish he would, you know, chill a little bit, ramp it down a touch, but I guess it's not his style. So we were talking about this with Janus. So be very, very careful. I got into this discussion with somebody about a month ago. I said, be very, very careful about wanting power. What you want is culpability to blame others.

Because if you have all the power and things go sideways, you take all the heat and I said, power's overrated. I used to think it was everything now. I don't know. And I look at Janus and he has power. And so they moved off Budenholzer, who won a title. And then they moved off Adrian Griffin. And then they moved off Drew Holiday to make him happy with Dame.

And now Doc Rivers isn't working. And I'm like, okay. But you're not close to Boston. You don't match up. You don't have their depth. You're just simply not as good. And in the West, you're a 500 team. Go look at them at 29 games against the West this year.

They're like 15 and 14. They're a team. And so in the West, they'd be, I don't think they're as good as the Lakers. And I don't think they're as talent in it quite as, I don't think they're as good as Golden State. And I know they're not as good as the Lakers. They're not Denver. Forget it. OKC.

So my takeaway is, if they get bounced early and now that Embed is back, and if they've played Milwaukee. I would take the Sixers and Embed over Milwaukee. What happens if Yonis in the box get bounced early? Nick, I do not believe Yonis is going to go, yeah, I'm good with it. Let's run it back. Where are they as a franchise? All right, so a lot there. Now, we know from Janus last year, there are no losses. There are just lessons, but that would be one hell of a lesson going out in round one in back-to-back years. Once is the one seed and once is the two-seed in your scenario.

The one silver lining, because, spoiler alert, you know, this was my pick to win the championship, and I don't want to change those picks, but I don't have a lot of evidence to back that up over the last two months of the season. But if you're looking for silver linings to this swoon, is dropping to the three line is actually advantageous for them. Even though they've struggled with Indiana, you would much rather deal with either Cleveland that's falling apart or Indiana in round one than Philly. which I know they have a very tattered playoff history, Philly with Embed. You do not want Philly in round one. It was how they have looked lately, and that's who they would get as the two-seed. But to your bigger picture question, Janis was on the precipice of us talking about him

in all-time pantheon terms. And I'm not saying that's no longer eligible for him, But you went back-to-back MVP, as a defensive player of the year, you follow that up with a finals MVP where you score 50 to win the title coming back from 2-0 down. And it's like, oh my God, where are we headed from here? You then are up 3-2 on Boston and, you know, Tatum gets you in that game 6 and you lose it. You get blown out in game 7. You then lose as a 1 versus 8 the next year. You add dame if you go out again before the conference finals

Yeah, I think Janice despite signing the extension will start to be looking around and yeah of course a lot of that Would have to fall on his broad shoulders like you are individual players I you know how I feel about this it is unfair to be like well why didn't you win the title In the NBA that's not how it works it is not unfair to say why didn't you get out of round 1 in consecutive seasons. That is a fair question. And if people remember, Kobe Bryant, after Shaq left, they missed the playoffs, they then blow a 3-1 leading round one, they then losing round one.

And what happened after that? Kobe's in a parking lot, caught on candid camera, talking bad about Andrew Bynum, goes on Stephen A's radio show, and ask for a trade. They salvage it by bringing in POW, and then obviously they go on a run. But all-time great players that feel like I should be winning more than I am, they very often then start looking around, even if we feel like they are locked into that team for life. So, yeah, this is a very precarious and important next few weeks for Milwaukee and Yanis.

I said yesterday, there's not many Caitlin Clarks. A lot of athletes ride the wave, even stars. She was the wave. You know, like Michael Jordan is, to me, he left the NBA. Aloff lost half its ratings. That's the biggest icon in any sport. I think Tiger Woods changed viewing habits. His golf ball made hundreds of millions of dollars for Nike. Not the, not the clubs, the golf ball. Everything changed TV ratings. Then you get into, you know, obviously a Tony Hawk. You know, you get into these guys that drove video games. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah. I mean,

I think that Sean White, Usain Bolt, there's a lot, Michael Phelps. Caitlin Clark, you can argue, is after Michael and Tiger, you could put in the three spot. I didn't yesterday, but I think there's an argument to me made. What do you make of her legacy? Listen, she is in the room for the conversation of the greatest women's college basketball player ever. Now, I can't be, whenever people, prior to four years ago, if someone said, who's the greatest woman's player ever, I would have always said Cheryl Miller.

Yeah. But to be fair, that's just because that's what I was told. I consider myself a basketball historian, but you can't really be an expert on women's college basketball of the 80s unless you watched it. Like the archives aren't on YouTube. Even all of the box scores aren't available. So that's a tough one. Prior to Caitlin Clark, the best player I had seen as a kid was Shemequa holds claw and as an adult was Diana Tarazi. I understand Brianna Stewart has that the brand of

seasons, four seasons, four titles, three player of the year awards. That seems unimpeachable. You dig into it a little bit further. Brianna Stewart, the year after she left Yukon, they were 36 and O headed into the final four and lost by two in overtime. The year after that, they were 36 and O'Henoh headed the final four and lost in overtime. So as great as she was, she had one of the greatest all-time collections of talent around her when Yukon was really, really rolling.

I don't think I've ever seen a female player better than Caitlin Clark. I know there's never been a more impactful one. And I do think that if you want to say she didn't win a title, she's ineligible for the goat conversation, that's fine. But I think you also have to ask yourself, hey, was there a single player on Iowa other than Caitlin Clark that would have gotten minutes for South Carolina? The only thing standing between South Carolina and three straight national championships and an 82 game winning streak right now is that Caitlin beat him a year ago.

And so I don't know if she is the goat. She's in the room of goats. What she is unquestionably is a transcendent player at the best time possible for the sport. that I don't know that the WMBA, Colin, in fact, I do know, it's not going to do the ratings the women's tournament did. But I also know that I, among, I must not have been the only one that today looked on Seat Geek or Stubbub or whomever, like, hey, when are the Indiana fever coming to my city? And I found out by just looking at for the New York Liberty, what ticket was five times more expensive than all the other ones. And it was the Indiana fever game. And you can check that out city by city.

So I do think she's going to have a real impact on the WMBA, even if you don't see it for 19 million people watching the championship. It's a sport that's growing and growing, and then they got their icon. And you could say this too. When David Stern took over the NBA, there were levels of popularity. Some say he saved it. It was magic and bird. And all of a sudden, oh, here comes Michael.

And so I think women's basketball has absolutely, it's much better than 25 years ago. When Cheryl Miller left, the sport could not sustain ratings. I do think it'll sustain a big chunk of its ratings. I think there's a new world, and the new world is the quality of the product is pretty darn good. In a time of the year, there's not a lot of urgency. There's not, and I'm going to say one other thing, and listen, my son who lives, second mention of my son on the today show, who lives in L.A., he got to go watch her in person. I'm jealous of you guys.

The young lady at USC, Junju, who lost in the Elite 8 to Page and Yukon, she has real star quality as well. And while she's not the range shooter that Caitlin is, she is almost a more, not almost, she is a more dazzling ball handler. The comp I would have for her is almost a female Kyrie Irving stylistically. And I think she can ride that wave that you're talking about, where we actually care and are watching women's basketball. we haven't before and she will draw eyeballs. She will to me is a more exciting draw than

anything on the men's side of things next year. And we could see her for the next few years at USC, which is great. Duke's going to have a really good player. Names escape me. Is it Connor? Cooper Flagg. Is that it Cooper Flag? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, the freshman. Yeah. He's going to be great. Yeah. So both men's and women are going to have, you know, an ascending star and that's good for the sport. Nick Wright, buddy, is good as old as to see you and we'll talk soon. All right, Nick Wright. Springtime, the perfect time to give a fresh look at SimplySafe home security. 20% off your system.

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or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your part. podcast. So when you were gone using the bathroom, we were talking about this as a staff, JMAG, the difference between a regular season game and a playoff game in any sport is usually that if you lose a playoff game, your season is over, and if you win, you go somewhere else. In the regular season, you just lose a game. So the NBA regular season closes Sunday night. The play-in start Tuesday, and those to me are the playoffs. So in the NCAA tournament,

you know those last couple of games to play in? Well, that's the start of the tournament. tournament. So they view them as tournament games. Right. So to me, the playing games, if you lose, you could be, your season's over. That's never, that's never the case in a regular season NBA game. If you win, you can advance. So anytime you play somebody and the loser's done and the winner advances, that's a playoff. So that's why I consider like Tuesday, the NBA playoffs start. The tournament doesn't start, March Madness starts with those play-in games. Yeah. That's the tournament.

I guess my pushback would be, so let's say you're a coach of a team that made the play in two years in a row. Okay? You go to management looking for a new contract. Hey, I just made the playoffs two years in a row. You didn't make the playoffs, dude. You made the play in. You didn't make the playoffs. So that's where it becomes tricky.

Coaches can now lobby. Hey, give me an extension. I made the playoffs. Well, NBA coaches get fired after taking their teams to the finals. I mean, boot and holes are won a title. An hour later, he's out of work. Okay, fair enough. Nobody's arguing.

That argument is, well, I could argue, if you're in the playing game back-to-back years and the owners think you're more talented than that, you're getting fired regardless. But starting Tuesday, your season could be over if you lose or you advance potentially if you win a couple of them. So to me, I just know how I feel when I watch the playing games.

There is a gravity to the game that is like, holy cow, this means a lot. This means a lot. Oh, my God, LeBron's season could be over. I never feel that in the regular season. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, so Chicago Bears, your new favorite team in the league, right? We're Jet Bears show from now on. Bears have the first and ninth picks in this month's draft. We know they're going Caleb Williams at 1, but recently the Bears brought in Marvin Harrison, Jr. on a pre-draft visit, which led to speculation they could try to do with the 10. Texans did last year and trade up to get a second pick in the top five.

I had not considered this at all. That's really scary to think that the Bears could be like, let's go get Marvin Harrison, Caleb Williams. We got DJ Moore. Any shot they get Harrison Jr. here? No. No way. I mean, I like Roma Dunesay.

I don't know if he'll be there at nine. Harrison's better than Romadunza. Certainly. So would you trade up to get him? I don't like trading up for anybody. except a quarterback, but he's not going to be available to the Bears. And the Bears are going to go to that defensive player probably because their coach is going to say, give me a break.

Keenan Allen. The coach might not be there in a year. I don't know that he's going to have that much clout. Well, coaches still make more than GMs, and they do have a little power. I think Matt Iber of Luce is going to bang on the table. And I also think they need help on the defensive side. They have a great corner in Montes' sweat. They need another edge.

Okay, so if you're the owner of the Bears, you say, okay, the coach wants this guy, ninth, the defender. Well, the owners of the Bears are always. older and not connected. He might be fought. We don't even know if Ibrose is going to be there in October. If they start 0 and 4, right, probably toast. Why are we letting a pick, have the ninth pick or have any sway over it?

We got to do what's best for our philosophy as a Bears franchise. Well, what is their philosophy? We need to get offensive. We have never had a franchise quarterback. So they have both tackles, two tight ends, two receivers, a good back. What's not offensive about the- receiver? I think they're receiving.

course five. DJ Moore and Keenan Allen, way better than average. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Look at what Buffaloes bring into the table. Keenan Allen, is he ever fully healthy? He had like a hundred-some catches last year, didn't he? He's worn down. There's a reason the Chargers moved off him, and it ain't just financial. He's going to get to that warm Chicago weather and be reborn. Oh, yeah, warm Chicago. What is it? 32 degrees there today? I don't know. If they get Marvin Harrison, Jr., I will officially, do I have a Vegas

trip plan? I don't think I do. I'll be going there and putting bears with the division, Isn't there, what is the Bears over under? I think it's like eight. I mean, Vegas, Draft Kings is a believer in the Bears. I think it's seven and a half to eight. Seven and a half to eight. They're telling you, Justin Fields won ten games in three years. Draft Kings and Vegas is telling you this kid's better than the last kid.

They're telling you that right out front. The division's better. Lions are legit. And that's what's telling you. The division's better and we still think this kid will win almost as many games as Justin Fields did in three years. That tells you the gap between fields. in Caleb because the division is better. That's significant.

All right, let's get to the New York Jets. Colin, I was trying to tease it in the first hour, but this defense is no joke at this point. They've added Hassan Reddick and Javon Kinlaw, former Niners defensive tackle. Kenlaw. New York now has a league high eight former first round picks on the defensive side of the football.

Eight. They finished third and total yards allowed last season. They were an elite defense. Does Kenlaw play like a first round pick? Does he have to? when he's next to Quinn and Williams, Assad Redick & Company. Remember, they got the young kid

McDonald from Iowa State last year. Look at the list of dudes they've got. So that's why they can lose Huff. And be like, oh, we've still got McDonald. Oh, yeah. J. Johnson is excellent. When he's healthy, Ken Law's been a bit of a bust.

Yeah, sauce gardener's okay. Sauce Gardner's okay. Look at that. I do like Quinn and Williams and sauce. Germain Johnson's got a lot of talent, too. He's so good. Yeah, he's... I think he blocked a couple of times.

I'm not worried about this, but you do realize nobody can stop anybody. When it gets down to it, you've got to have to move the chains. That's going to be the key. I don't know. I think the Jets,

didn't they almost beat the Chiefs last year? They beat the Eagles. Oh, they almost did. Almost. I can't believe you're not on board. This... I got a 40-year-old quarterback who's prickly,

bad old line, off an Achilles surgery, and a defensive coach on the hot set. And the bills lost like five starters on defense and their best receiver. And they've got Josh Allen. And the Dolphins sat lost like five starters on defense, I think two on the offensive line.

I'm just telling. Jets are winning the division. It's just too early for this. Can't you hold this off until like August 28th or something? Fair enough. August 28th, I think that's officially a vacation. Final story. How about this one? Clay Thompson, big game tonight for the Warriors Against the Lakers. So I can't tell where this is coming from, but according to Tim Kawakami, reputable journalist, one of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that the Orlando Magic want Clay Thompson. and they might offer him a ton of money this summer. Orlando has young talent, don't really have the shooters.

Orlando, shockingly, is like third in the east right now. I didn't even realize that. Well, it tells you a lot about the east. But they've had a lot of good draft picks, and they've hit on a couple. They have. And it looks like they're going to be able to come off like $30 million in salary with a couple of dudes they could move on from and free up cash for Clay. Now, we know California taxes are abysmal.

Clay goes to Florida. We know the tax situation there. And, by the way, Clay kind of closing out. strong, 20 points per game, really good shooting splits over the last month, 46, 40, 95. Collins, is Orlando in play, or is this Clay's camp sink? Golden State, we will go to Orlando. Clay Thompson's value in the east with this team could be substantial. Kirk Cousins' value in the NFC South with Atlanta is substantial.

Kirk Cousins' value in the AFC West against Herbert, Mahalms, Harbottes, Andy Reid would not be a substantial. So I do think there's probably something to this. They're a young team. They need shooters. The East is weaker. And the kid Pods is basically his replacement? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice player. Breaking up the Splash Brothers Day. What a run they had.

You got to break up everything. Trees don't grow over the sky. All right. Move on. There's a little sick. You have to be, you feel a little bit sad if Clay leaves the word. I mean, that was historic stuff, what they did. I don't feel sad. Byron Scott on the Lakers backcourt.

Orlando's a fine team. I don't feel sad for anybody getting $150 million living in a state with no state taxed this Disneyland or Disney World. You're just all about the Benjments. No, I'm not. I'm just saying. I'm going to tell you something.

If that's your landing, if that's the golden parachute, the executive, I'm not going to, there's people to feel sorry for in America. I'm not sorry for Clay. I'm sorry for the end of something beautiful. Well, it's not that beautiful. And Steph Curry and Clay Thompson was,

spectacular basketball. Not that beautiful anymore. Do you have a heart? I have a heart, but it's not as beautiful. There's a reason the Warriors would let it happen. You're running this like, don't you have like some share in a soccer team or something? Are you going to fall in love with players? You're going to fall in like with them.

That's a different story. I'm talking about my love for the Golden State Warriors versus more. No, I've loved them too. I've been a, I'm pro-dubs all the way. I think they're, I mean, I talk about them more than any franchise, even more than the Lakers, I would say. Or it's close. So the night before, you know, Fox hired me in 2016. The night before I moved out here, he dropped 40, 50, whatever the number was in game six against OKC. And I remember watching it.

I refused to cancel cable until the last second. Had the moving boxes and the TV propped up and just watching Clay go off. That was one of the great games. Who was that against OKC? OKC. It was game six in OKC. Yeah, I remember that. One of the great NBA games this century.

Yeah. Clay just went off. It was, oh, I still remember it. I have a soft spot for. I guess I'm a historian, like Nick said. You guys are a couple historians. Well, there's got to be an accountant in the room that takes care of business. I stand on business.

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He's had big stars all over the league. Clay Thompson's a pretty reluctant guy, pretty reticent, doesn't like a lot of publicity, very chill, really nice kid, good fam. So Draymond brings him on, and Draymond goes a little, he doesn't ask him a question that's prepared. You know, Draymond's a very coachable, prepared podcaster. With Clay, he goes off script and asks him this question. I want to ask you this question, and I want to ask it because I'm afraid of the answer. When I get ejected or something of that nature or suspended, what do you feel? How do you feel?

You know what, Dre, you're kind of a throwback player. When you're not out there, it's like a piece of us is gone. and me and Steph are really nice guys like probably too nice no and we can never be ourselves and have the freedom we do on the court without you yeah so uh yeah i've said before is uh draymond's much more of an offensive player than people understand because he's such a catalyst the screen setting the passing the ball handling he's very valuable But I always felt the Splash Brothers got the notoriety, but it was Stefan Draymond that were sort of the soul of the team. And then Clay Thompson was this sharpshooter who every once in a while would just take over a half.

And it was the most brilliant thing you've ever seen. It's very much Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. West was the star player. Gail Goodrich was a sharpshooter who in moments when I was a kid growing up number 25 would take over games. Take over halves. West was the great player. But, you know, Draymond Green, it gets a lot of push. pushback. But I will say this is that he is willing not only to do the tough stuff,

I always sort of said he was the bouncer at a bar where a lot of guys are wearing skinny jeans. Everybody needs a tough guy. You need it hockey. You need it in the NBA. Ben Wallace for the Pistons was a little bit of this, an intimidator. The Knicks had intimidators, and they were romanticized, and Bill Lambere was an intimidator, and he's been romanticized. Dramon Green is the same thing that he is really, really offensively valuable and sometimes crosses a line. I do think it's very difficult to be the bouncer at a club, because, like, you are in these high, high intensity physical battles, and the line is really close between intimidating and inappropriate.

But, J-Mack, what did you make of that? Did you sense Draymond had a little guilt with that answer? I was just looking. It's interesting. We just talked about Clay Thompson possibly going to the Orlando Magic. Now we're hearing Clay Thompson doing a podcast with Draymond Green. What's going on with the Warriors, Colin? Is this like a, is Draymond, why did he have him on now to talk about this before the playoffs?

Big game against the Lakers coming. I'm always suspect of the timing. What's really the agenda here for Draymond Green? What do you think it is? I don't know. I'm asking you. You know the guy. Well, I think he had Steve Kerr and Stefan.

I just think he wanted Clay and Clay finally gave him a thumbs up. I don't think there's a motive. You think there's a motive. He's got a lot of opportunities to have Clay Thompson on his podcast. Clay is a... This could be the last dance for the Warriors. So you're thinking... I think last dance for Dremont in Golden State, but you seem to think he's locked in it.

I think Kerr loves him. I think Kerr... I mean, never forget that Jordan Pool video. They weren't mad at Dremont. They were mad at got out. What about all the technicals and ejections this year? Are they mad with that? Rashid Wallace got a lot of them I covered him.

I mean, by the way, it's the reality is Michael Jordan punched a teammate. I mean, it's funny. Michael Jordan is winning titles. Well, Draymond Green's got four. He has four. He was on a team. He was integral, but not even more. You lost that argument.

Come on. Is he integral anymore? They're 10th in the West, partially because he keeps getting suspended. He is. He is. When he plays, they win, when he doesn't, their records egregious. It's bad. Never forget.

Steve Kerr was upset the video leaked. Not necessarily. The team was an outrage at the punch. We should do what he did. I'll be Clay, you be Draymond, and ask, Jay Mack, what do you think about what I mean to your jet? Well, you know, Colin. When I mean to your jets, it's impossible not to be. One team I really root for it.

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