The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Luka Doncic

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

Despite the Mavericks game 4 loss, Luka Doncic continues to impress in the NBA playoffs Looking at how important Tight Ends have become in the NFL   Guest: Greg OlsenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was in bed by 840. Not saying I didn't get a little loosey, but it was like, so I just saw this, that the Mabbs lost a close game to the T-Wolves, and Luca didn't shoot particularly well. Following a playoff loss, Luca averages 34 points a game on almost 50% shooting. In the history of the NBA,

The history of the league. Luca averages more points per game after a loss than any player ever, outscoring Michael Jordan by a point. Probably part of that's three-point shot. So these are the most points following a playoff loss in league history. Luca, Jordan, Iverson, Jerry West, and Kevin Durant. It's not like Michael lost a lot of playoff games, but there you go. I was thinking about this.

when I, it was by the second year in the league, Luca, I said, there's no question Luca is going to end up like a top five score in league history barring injuries. He also a very good distributor, but he can really score. And I was thinking about this. If I took every basketball player in the history of the game in their prime years, who are the most automatic points in the league? And I think I would go, I don't know the order, but I would go MJ, Luca, and Kareem.

And Kareem's 12-year prime, you were getting 34. Nobody was stopping Kareem. So I think Luca is, now there have been guys who are great shot makers, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Jerry West. They've been great shot makers. But if you told me, I need 37 points tonight. I need 37, period. I would say Luca, Michael, Jordan, and Kareem in their prime,

is that you could almost definitively say you're going to get. it. And that's how good Luca is. So there are times, I don't think, and by the way, is that Kareem was very lucky to get magic as a teammate. He was the perfect teammate that didn't

need a lot of points, very unselfish. You know, Kareem could have gotten a ball hog. He didn't he got magic. Michael needed the perfect Robin to work. He wasn't always the easiest to get along with. So Scotty was not as ball-centric. He was more of a slasher.

and Luca needs the ball more, I would say, usage rate than a Michael or a Kareem. And that's why it is harder to figure out who works with him. Right now, Kyrie is. Jalen Brunson sort of did. Poor Zingis did not. So I think Luca can be harder to play with. I always thought Kevin Durant was pretty easy basketball-wise because he didn't need the ball. You could give K.D. the ball with four seconds on the shot clock and he'd get a good look.

Clay Thompson, same thing, catch-and-shoot guy. some guys are catching shoot guys Luca needs the ball so it's going to be difficult over the course of his career I've said I think Denver is the future of the West I don't think it's Dallas because I think the Kyrie thing would melt down eventually you know

everybody will be seeking credit and Luke is going to get it if he's on your team but I will say this I think the Celtics mavericks is as good as the NBA can do for a final four stars three domestic one huge brand Celtics, one good brand Dallas, a northeastern team, a lot of population,

middle of the country team, West Coast always watches the NBA finals. So I think it's about, and I don't, now again, could Minnesota win tonight? Dallas is an underdog, I think. I like Dallas to win tonight if lively plays. Minnesota, four and a half point favorites. Yeah, I would take Dallas tonight and the points.

I'm with you. Yeah. I think Dallas wins outright. So do I. also think Dallas early. I think, again, Luca off a loss, lively's back. I didn't think they played with a great deal of urgency in spots, balls on the floor. This will be a big effort night for Dallas and a big night for Luca. But he is. There's just very few people in the history of the game that you could just say, I need 38 tonight, and Luca could get it. And it's interesting, as you look at

the NBA, in the heart of the NBA that people watched a lot, the Jordan years, the magic years, so many of our players, they were domestic and they were vertical. You know, Dr. Jay was vertical, Kobe was vertical, Michael was vertical, LeBron can be vertical. I would say the two best players in the league today are Luca and Yokic. They are not vertical. They sometimes look a little out of shape. I mean, they do. They're durable, but they, you know, they have their aches and pains. But it's fascinating to watch. We had Jim Paxson on to what the NBA has become.

It is a highly skilled league. It's not a tough guy league. There's too much money. Nobody wants to hit the moneymaker. It's not a tough guy league. It is a European-centric, highly skilled league. Now, Luca, when I watch Luca play, and I've seen LeBron's weight fluctuate throughout the course of his career.

There's been heavy LeBron, thinner LeBron. You know, we're seeing Lamar Jackson now lose weight, not sure why that is. But I would argue there are times that Luca likes the poundage. Like he likes to be a little heavier because based on the playoff matchup, he can be a harder guy to match up again. Against Minnesota, when they've got a guy that's on the thinner side defending him, it looks like he almost likes another Belgian beer before tip-off. So it's, and I've seen LeBron's.

do that. I've seen LeBron put on some weight, lose some weight, depending on the matchup, depending on the season. But Luca's all-time stuff. Yeah, it's more of a cerebral, ground-bound Superstar League, right? Like, Yokic is, he could barely jump over a piece of paper. No, it's a ground-bound European, highly-skilled league. And I've said this before. You can go back to those Knicks Pacers, 30-for-30 series. Reggie Miller was the only pure shooter in that series. There were multiple guys for Indiana that you would never trust shooting an 18-footer, forget a three. The Davis brothers, remember those guys Antonio and Dale?

New York Legends, Oakley, Anthony Mason, Patrick Ewing, you don't want them on the perimeter. You didn't trust them taking a three. You would never want that. John Starks wasn't a pure shooter, and he was a guard. I think that's part of the reason Berkeley and Company bag on Carl Anthony Town so much. He's like 6-11, and he's shooting threes all the time. Meanwhile, in Berkeley's era, 6-11, you were down in the paint, pounding and defending and rebounding. Okay.

So we do real journalism here. No fake news. Earlier in the show, earlier in the show, we had J-MAC, a Jets fan, say, that there was some squirly video on the internet. We apprehended the video. Here is the video of Aaron Rogers.

Now, right now he's just taken, sorry, radio audience. He's taken off his socks. He's looking at his Achilles. He's kind of checking it. out. That's not that disturbing. Looks like he's looking into play there. And then there's video of him moving around on a play. He does

appear to be hobbling. That is an old man getting out of bed hobbled as he rolls right. J. Mack, what do you make of this? It would be a bunion, a wart. Who knows? I mean, there's a lot of speculation. A bunion? Well, you see the guy come up with the paper and start cutting it that may be some kind of bunion

or wart right here. It could just be padding. But the bottom line is he's nine months off Achilles. surgery. It's not going to be smooth. Let's not expect him to be ready until September. All right. I don't know. It looks very dramatic to me. Greg Olson, Fox Sports,

joining us live as Aaron hobbles around practice. Very controversial. I'm just being a jerk. It's no big deal. By the way, did you ever have an Achilles? What was your biggest surgery? No, but I had some foot stuff. I broke

my foot twice. and then I had, I ruptured my planar fashion in both my feet. So all my issues were feet, but I never, thankfully, did Achilles. That's like everybody's worst nightmare. That's like the, if you do anything in the world, it's fine. You just can't tear your Achilles. That's always the worst one. I do think with Aaron, their offensive line is either old or rookies.

And I think to myself, I'd love O-line. Like Detroit's O-line is in their prime. Atlanta's guys in their prize. It was a great O-Lines. do you worry a little bit with Aaron that it's an older player when you come off an injury Greg maybe you didn't but quarterbacks have a blind side that you got to sometimes you know you're safe but you got to convince your brain you're upright and that

do you worry about that as they and by the way Greg veteran offensive linemen no longer play in the preseason it's the hardest unit to get cohesion you know that you were a blocking tight end as well as a catching one I've said this in a different era I think they'd be fine. I worry about all the movement and all these new faces for the Jets on the O line, not playing in the preseason. Your thoughts?

Yeah, no, it's real. And listen, the reality is you're only going to go as far as those guys. We spend so much time, understandably so, talking about quarterbacks and skill positions and the ability to score points and systems and offensive coordinators. And, yes, it's an offensive-driven league and all that. You can only do from a system, from what you have. ask of your quarterback to what you ask of your skill group, you can only do what your offensive line allows you to do. If your offensive line is not a dropback protecting group,

they're not really good five on five, they're not going to build a pocket, be firm in the middle, two big tackles that can keep the width and the depth, you've got to be an under center play action team. If you're a very road grading, physical, maybe not overly athletic, but more of like a downhill linear offensive line, especially at the guards, guard positions, you've got to be downhill run game. You're not going to do a lot of wide zones. You're not going to do a lot of pin and pulls where you're asking your offensive line and to get out in space.

So every offense really takes on the identity of their quarterback, yes. But after that, it takes on the identity of their offensive line. You can do or not do whatever they're good at or they struggle at. Like, that's the job of an offensive coordinator, and that's the part I don't think people spend enough time talking about. You're going to see teams continue to invest in offensive lines, continue to spend money in free agency, draft picks. Like, if you don't have seven offensive line at the least six, you know, that six guy that can kind of swing and play everywhere, you're going to have to put out a lot of fires. You're going to have to really rely on the movement of your quarterback, buying time. And we saw it last year with Mahomes, is that O line settled in and had their issues in the middle.

the season, is that what you want Rogers to be? Like, is he going to run around and do all that? I'm not sure at the age, the injury. So you're 100% right. The offensive line sets the tone for your identity, and I think the Jets realize that. You know, it's interesting. I really think Bo Nix was perfect for Sean Payton.

I love Michael Pennix. I think Jaden Daniels is underrated. Caleb's terrific. I worry about Drake May for a lot of reasons. Footwork, inconsistent, no weapons. But my take is that because quarterbacks now come in, it's a cottage industry. It's actually beyond that. It's an industry.

Quarterback play. High school, seven-on-sevents. People make living now dealing with high school quarterbacks. These kids come out with 10,000 snaps. Is that I used to believe you got three years. I don't. I believe by your second Thanksgiving, people in the building have made a decision. They're not going public with it, but they've made a decision.

and I just think that's fair. I think these kids, I mean, God, Bo Nix has 61 college starts. If I can't figure it out by the second Thanksgiving, I should fire my scouts and my personnel people. When you are in Carolina and Cam, how long does it take for you to go, yeah, that works? How many snaps?

How many practices? Did you drive home, tell your wife, yeah, we got a guy. Like that, that's pretty good. Yeah, so obviously the quarterback position is the one. I think back to my first year in Carolina, we had no offseason. That was the lockout year of 2011. I got traded there right at the start of training camp. Cam was drafted, obviously, earlier in the offseason in April, but we had no mini camp.

We had no, you know, the guys did some workouts, but there was nothing official. So really, we didn't know and get together as a group until, you know, end of July. There was quarterback competition. Jimmy Cawson was the incumbent starter. and his second year was the starter as a rookie the previous season. Obviously, we drafted Cam one overall. After like three practices, you go back to your dorm and you're like, he's a rookie. Obviously, he's learning, the system.

Okay. But this dude is just different. And you don't even really know how to quantify it. It's kind of like one of those things. Like, you can't explain it, but you know it when you see it. Like, it took like three days to be like, he might make the wrong read. He's younger. every young quarterback's going to go through their growing pains.

But there are not many people on the planet that can do what this guy did. I don't need two months to figure that out. We need to base an offense. We need to make the terminology and offense, a system and structure that's not what's good for me, what's good for our wide receiver, what's good for Cam Newton and how do we get this dude to be the dominant player that he was in college? How do we put him in a position to be that dominant player? We learned that pretty quickly here in Carolina.

We were only going to go as far as this guy. He's pretty unique and talented, so we might as well just do what he's really good at. But yeah, I think this notion that it's going to take two years, I couldn't agree with you more. I think the notion that it takes two years to find out whether a guy can play or not, not at the quarterback position and not when you take them that high in the draft. You're a first-round quarterback. I'm with you. I got to know pretty soon.

Am I on to something here or are we all looking for new jobs? Because let's be honest, if you miss, you very rarely get a chance to get draft two quarterbacks. Every once in a while there's that example. But you take a quarterback high, it's usually because you stunk, or you bet the farm to trade up to get them. If that guy doesn't work out and you don't hit, the next draft day, the next quarterback day draft is probably playing for somebody else. That's today's NFL. You don't have a million years to figure this out. So you are in Nashville for a few days.

tight-in university, fourth year you're doing this. And so ESPN had a researcher, and I forget the name, I apologize, but he came out and said, if you go to the last 20 drafts, the two positions, first-round positions that miss the most are receiver and tight-end. So my theory on tight-end is, this is why Iowa is so good with tight-end, is that most college tight-ins don't block like you're asked of. block in pro football. They can go vertical. They're that 6-6 good-looking athlete. But the reason you and Tony Gonzalez worked is because you put your hands on people. And so when you do this

tight-end university and explain it a little bit, who gets to go, who are you looking? Are these high school college? The position to me now is unfairly paid. I think there's football cyclical. I think tight ends. I mean, there's a reason they moved off Tyreek Hill and not Travis Kelsey. like there's a reason they won a Super Bowl. Who are you talking to at this camp? And what do you see with young tight ends? Are they the same 10 years ago? Ask to do more or less?

Yeah, I think the positions really come a long way. And I think the timing of TEU and really starting. So how it started back in 2021, I had just retired my last season out in Seattle. And I was just going back and forth with Kittle. And I've gotten, you know, Kelsey and a bunch of these guys. And we just had this day, we're like, hey, let's get together in Nashville. That's where Kittle lives with, you know, a conference. you know, Hockinson and a couple other young guys around the league that live in Nashville

in the offseason. And let's just get a handful of guys, five, ten guys, and just do a couple days workout. I'll come down and it'll be a blast. Well, that group grew to 20 to 30. And next to you know, we're like, we're on to something here, the demand and the interest. We got Kelsey involved, obviously brings a lot of credibility, having Kelsey and Kittle and myself, you know, kind of spearheading this. So we're in year four. Last year we had 85 guys. We do it at Vanderbilt University. They give us their entire facility. We get meeting rooms. We get treatment rooms. We bring in, you know, PT therapist, massage. We have people present on taking care of your body. We have people present on all different

types of subjects. And then obviously the deep dive of filmwork, classroom, and field is blocking, route running. And, you know, we get presentations from, you know, Kelsey and Kittle and Dallas Clark was a part of it and gave a really good presentation. So just both former and current guys, the best in the business. And if you're an NFL tight end, you are eligible to come. So again, we go from Kelsey and Kittle, who are at the top of the, top of the position, all the way down to young undrafted rookies who are trying to make the team. The idea is share information. Let's develop the position. And I think the timing was so good, because like you said, the evolution of the position for when I came into the league in 07 and there was a handful of

good tight ends, right? It was Gonzalez and Witten and Gates and the tail end of Shannon Sharp. Now it seems like every team has a prominent guy. So it's been really cool. You know, we pay for at all. We put the guys up. We had great sponsors. You know, Sharman and Bud Light, you know, they, they give us the money and the ability to really do a first class event. And guys come every year. I wish we had room for 200 guys. You know, it just continues to grow. And the information that's shared is just really unique. And I'm not sure there's a, there's a position in sports or whatever that does something like this to the level that we do it where guys just can't wait to come back because it's both fun

and these guys leave and say, like, I'm going to be able to make a career based on a lot of the things that I learned over these three days. By the way, a minute left, Brock Bowers went to Vegas, the tight end from Georgia. He went from Napa Valley Wine Country to the south and crushed. He's about the best college tight end I've seen. When you watched him, because I know you watched college football, Greg,

a minute left. When you watched him, did you say lock, guarantee, anything that flawed? What did you make of him? Yeah, I think you would have went even higher. I know he had a little injury stuff during the pre-draft combination and the combines and stuff, where I'm not even sure if he ran. I think he had like a hamstring or something. Dealt with a little injury last year at Georgia.

I think if he would have been able to come out the previous draft, I think you're talking like a top five, seven pick. Like I'm with you. He might be the best college tight end production-wise, just the eye test that I've ever really seen. his size, his ability to run in the open field. I mean, he's playing SEC football, catching 12-yard dig routes, and outrunning secondary defenders from LSU, Alabama.

He's not beating up on small-town guys. He's really impressive. I think they've got a feel with him, and I think the combination of him and the young kid from Notre Dame there from last year that they drafted, they got two young tight ends. They can build around for a long time out there in Vegas. Greg Olson, Fox Sports,

tight end university this summer, June 17th to the 20th in Nashville. Everything you do is thoughtful and smart. Appreciate you stopping by. Good luck in the camp, my man. I appreciate it. Thanks, Colin. Yeah. That was the thing that with Brock Bowers that jumped out to me, and I think it was Missouri. Could be wrong. But he took an underneath route, took it, spun, and he outraced like flying past SEC defenders and defensive backs into the end zone. It just didn't look like a tight end or anything close to it.

And it's interesting. Remember when the Chiefs moved off Tyreek Hill and they kept Travis Kelsey, there was a bit of a whoa, and they've won two Super Bowl since. The tight end matters more. Jets don't have one. Tight end matters a lot in the national football league. The great teams, Buffalo's got a couple of really tasty tight end. Baltimore, Kansas City.

You know, the audience is aware you're just needling me on the Jets. From the Aaron Rogers commentary moments ago to now the last. of a tight end for the jets. Oh, dear. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app.

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It's been a roller coaster for Lawrence. Injured a lot last year. Yeah, he's in year three with Coach Doug Peterson, and his coach sees a trait that could help Lauren. take a next big step in his development. He's engaging. You know, when we got him three years ago, he was just learning our system and kind of quiet

and just trying to go through, you know, the motions a little bit of just trying to adapt to us and get a feel for us. But now he's, now he's engaging. Now he's given us ideas. Now he's given us suggestions and ideas and really becoming another, you know, a coach, a set of eyes.

you know, on the field. And that's, that's just his growth. That's just his development as quarterback. I like him. You like Lawrence, the person or the quarterback? Well, I like, I like him. I like everything.

I think, I think it's a bigger lift there than people think. First year was a mess. He's never really had an elite offensive line. You know, last year, Christian Kirk got hurt. He got hurt. So the year he was healthy, he got him to the playoffs, in the AFC.

So, you know, I think it's not like, you know, I say this with respect to Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelsey, great owner, top GM. These are not all equal. Not all broadcasting quarterback law firms. They're not all equal. And I think it's a harder lift there. They've been pretty dysfunctional most of my life. Since Tom Coughlin left, they felt like they were a bit unhinged.

So Doug Peterson comes back in, and I thought, you know, they looked like they had a chance to be a playoff team again last year and they got banged up. So Lawrence is a tough one. Again, I am a big fan. That being said, Colin, you look at his stats last year? 14 interceptions, 12 fumbles? I mean, he's been a turnover machine in the pros. Now, you can make all these arguments you want about, well, he hasn't had the offensive

he hasn't had the weapon. I don't know, man. E.N. is a first round pick. They had Ridley, who they brought over from Atlanta. He was good. They've had a lot of good players. where it irks me, and this is a larger discussion, is that Brock Purdy has one bad game.

Oh, come on, he's a joke. That's why he's the last pick in the draft. Trevor Lawrence has three mediocre seasons. Well, think about this. And it's like, well, make excuses. I just... You're not... Kyle Shanahan got Matt Ryan to a Super Bowl,

made Matt Schaubb a Pro Bowl, had a winning record with Brian Hoyer, and has taken Brock Purdy to Super Bowls. there is a belief that Shanahan, it's virtually, you know, when they traded Tray Lance and acknowledged, we can't make it work, did they dupe the Cowboys? He's made everybody work. He's a winning record with, like, everybody. So my takeaway is, Kyle Shanahan's not just a good offensive coach.

He's literally worked wonders with everybody except one quarterback. I may be wrong. Didn't Peterson win a Super Bowl with, like, Nick Foles? Was that him? I mean, like, Peterson is a good coach. He's a good coach. I just don't like how we just give so much runway for number one overall things. Look how much runway we've given Jalen Hertz, who really has only given us elite production with one coordinator.

And we've got, he got the bag and everybody loves him. He almost won a Super Bowl. Well, again, it's, I mean, Trevor Lawrence won a playoff game in the AFC. That's something. Yeah, it's like the Kyler-Marie's of the world. We just go, well, let's just give him another year. Like next hour we have Adam Wainwright, a 20-year Major League Baseball pitcher on. If you're a top draft pick in baseball, you can have a bad spring and you don't get buried.

You know, if you're a 38-round Major League Baseball compensatory pick or whatever and you go to spring and suck it, you know, you have just a bad two weeks where you hit a buck 30. You're done. I just don't think that's – I don't like that. Like, and it doesn't seem fair to me. For instance, Baker Mayfield was the number one overall pick. He got a lot of chances. Yeah, he's on what, like, at 14? He was good, he was great in Tampa, and maybe it was the right fit finally.

But if you're a number one or a first round pick, you're viewed as sort of a a little bit of a transcendent talent, you're like better than the average guy. And so coaches and GMs tend to figure, we've got to get them the right support system. So if you've won in high school and been dominant in college like Trevor Lawrence, and you get your team to a playoff that's dysfunctional. You're going to get second and third. That's the reality of people look at your, they look at your college career and make assumptions.

They look at your injury career. I think a big thing hurting Tua is they've been hurt in college in pro football. He was healthy last year. He was awesome. There's one healthy year. So I think all this stuff, resumes in life matter. I tell my kids this all the time, like, be careful, be careful. Resumays matter.

I'm going to judge you, basically. on your previous actions and your previous performance. Yes, I'm going to judge you. And if you're fragile, that's a you problem. That's fair. Resumies do matter. But I don't think anyone's judging you based on what you did in Tampa or Vegas or even your last time.

Yeah, but that was 30 years ago. Trevor Lawrence was a dominant college player four years ago. And a year ago, two years ago, he took a team into the playoffs with his first year in a new system, new coach. No, no. Lawrence is going to get all the chances in the world. And I like him. I would pay him.

I mean, I don't know that I'm paying him. Is this another one of these guys you tell me you like and then spend eight minutes trashing him? I think it's a fun discussion. How about that? This is like a real discourse as opposed to like, you know, fake stuff that's out there. I don't hate Trevor. I would like him.

I think he's a top 15 quarterback in the league. Oh, 15. But talent-wise, he should be way higher. Like, if you just told me who was more talented coming out of college, Lawrence or Burrow, I would say Lawrence, wouldn't you? Well, Burrow. He had one good season. He was nothing at Ohio State.

Couldn't make, like, crack the top two. And first year at LSU, he was like 16 touchdowns, 14 picks. Like, Burl had one year in college. Lawrence. I mean, I got to defend my guy, Lawrence, a little bit. I know I don't sound like it. But anyways, how about this one, Colin? New England Patriots and Drake May.

I don't know if you saw this. He is currently third on the depth chart in New England. Now, it's very, very, very early. He's not getting a ton of reps from the sounds of Gerard Mayo. Drake May is not going to be starting the season. Here's the new coach. Keeping a close eye that you have the four quarterbacks and how you divvy up the repetitions.

Is there any concern that Drake's not getting enough? No, no right now. And my message is it's not how many opportunities. It's what you do with the opportunities that you get. And going back to the competition part of it, the better you do on a day after day basis not only on the field but also in the classroom, a ref show get going forward.

This is going to be so hard. He's got a defensive rookie coach, a defensive culture, no number one receiver tied ender running back. O lines okay, not great. And the last six, seven drafts have been meager. This is a tough lift. I just don't

think it's going to work. It's probably better that May isn't first on the team. Let somebody else take the hits. Colin, this, I know the defense has a lot of guys and a lot of Patriots fans are like, hey, our defense was good last year. Bill Belichick's gone. He's one of the great defensive minds the NFL's ever seen.

This might be like a three-win. Did you see Belichick's last draft? He took two kickers and three guards. And based on this previous draft by New England, a couple of those guards couldn't play. That cupboard is bare. It will be foam in the jets. I think it's the second worst,

second maybe worst roster in the league. Carolina has more talent than New England. Yeah. I think New England's got the worst town in the league. That's all Belichick. He controlled the draft. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. You know, Belichick is, oh, there's a renaissance with Bill and he's friendly.

All Bill's issues are Bill. You know, when Logan Ryan was on the show, Bill used to say, do your job. Well, Bill didn't do his job. He started doing the general manager's job, so he didn't listen to himself. Bill don't talk politics. Bill started talking politics. Bill, hey, do whatever it takes. Well, Bill wouldn't do whatever he takes.

he wouldn't he didn't want to coach certain players personalities so like whenever i hear everybody defending bill and i think bill was a legend bill's problems are of his own making do your job means do your job go look at their last seven drafts those are bills they're awful i mean awful this is the opposite of the last discussion we just had where you said resume matters and you know what bill bellichick went up with his resume to teams in the NFL this off season and everybody's like No thanks. To a guy who's won more than any other coach in the history of the sport. So, I don't know, man.

This looks like a three-win team for the Patriots, maybe four? They'll be drafting number one or two next year. There's no doubt in my mind, New England. If you could put their schedule up, I don't know where the wins are. They're so irrelevant, I don't think we have the schedule. You know, we just have the good teams ready. I don't know where their wins are. I've looked at their schedule.

They're probably, listen, maybe the defense gets keeps him in some games because the kid Gonzalez, the cornerback for more. He was very good last year before the injury. They got some... Judon is very good. You got a score in this league. You got a score in this league. I don't see it happening for the Patriots.

Poor Mayo, because he seems like a nice guy. Those podium trips, a little bleak. Final story, let's talk about the Celtics. They are going to the finals, which start a week from today. They're getting a lot of rest. That means good news for Chris Stapp's Porzingis. K.P. Baby. Hasn't played since the first round due to a calf injury.

Joe Missoula. says he's ramping up the rehab from Porzingas with intensity. They still don't know when he's going to return a whole week. Come on. I got to say he's 100% ready for him game one, right? He was supposed to play at the end of the Pacer series. The NBA, basically, if Dallas wins tonight, what do we have a week to wait? Now, in baseball, that's always problematic because you're in the middle of the football season.

So in the World Series of teams wrap up with sweeps and you sit around for five days, well, there's like four days are full of football and people forget about baseball. The NBA is kind of, you know, there's some soccer coming up here. Cop America. Oh, God, fired up about that. Yeah. We got good soccer. We're going to do some of that on the show.

Sorry, guys. I know the staff might be like, no, we're doing it. I like soccer. So do I. Yeah. But the NBA can get away with it because they're not, there's not football gobbling up everybody's attention. But if Dallas wins tonight, and we both, as an underdog, think they will. We've got a week to sit around and wait for a final.

There's a lot of stuff percolating, as you like to say. Paul George stuff I think we'll talk about Donovan Mitchell in the final hour We'll see Listen, I think NBA is in good shape With a Mab Celtics finals Oh, I think it's great

Everybody fully rested None of this Luca tricky knee Like bro, you got like six days off You should be fine J-Mack with the news Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Hurd Lie News

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In a playoff preview, the San Antonio Brahma's take on the St. Louis Battlehawks at 4 Eastern. And on Sunday, the Houston Roughnecks battle the Memphis showboats at 7. It all gets off on Fox in the Fox Sports app. We talked about this earlier since the NFL playoffs have expanded to 14 teams. On average, half, seven are replaced every year. So if you go to look at last year's NFL playoff teams, these were the teams that made the playoffs last year 14 the Texans the Browns the Steelers

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and the Texans won the division in the AFC, new division winners, and then the Cowboys and the Lions won a division. So I've said, I do think if I had to name seven teams, new teams to make the playoffs, my seven best guesses would be Bears, Bengals, Chargers, Colts, Falcons, Jags, Jets. Cincinnati's an obvious one. They missed the playoffs by a single game, and Joe Burrow returns. And Burrow has been the one quarterback in the league. you feel like can go into Arrowhead Stadium and go toe to toe.

Now, it's been a noisy offseason for Cincinnati, but unlike what Jay Mack said that Burrell only had one good college year. He did have 16 touchdowns, only five picks the year before he came out at LSU, and he's been sensational. The Bears have a transcendent quarterback. The Chargers have a legitimate coach. The Colts get Anthony Richardson back. Kirk Cousins to Atlanta.

you know, Jacksonville fell apart, but ended up nine and eight. So Christian Kirk's back, Brian Thomas drafted, Trevor Lawrence, healthy, feels like they can get a game or two better. If you win 10 games, it's hard even the AFC not to make the playoffs. And the last team I put in, although I did see that video this morning that's highly concerning on Aaron Rogers, is the Jets. The Jets aren't going to be great. I do not believe an offensive line comprised of guys past their prime and a rookie translates into an elite offensive line. And I think when you have an older quarterback off an Achilles surgery, you need an elite offensive line. I don't think the Jets will have that.

Also combine that with something Greg Olson admitted earlier that veteran offensive linemen just don't take a lot of snaps in the preseason. So the Jets schedule early is full of night games, shorter week games, with an offensive line that is trying to figure out unity and cohesion. That's not great. They'll get upset in one of those early games. I don't think they're going to run the table, and I think they lose to San Francisco. But I do think the Jets, if Aaron Rogers is upright with that defense, they don't have to win by shootout. They don't have to be an aesthetic masterpiece. They'll figure out ways to stay in games, and Aaron will do.

direct traffic. Clearly, the NFL schedule makers think the Jets will be viable because they've got them all over TV in the first seven, eight weeks. So I do think the Jets, and I, you know, I'm critical of the Jets because I don't think they're smartly owned and always well constructed. They missed on a left tackle and a quarterback, and that puts you behind the eight ball. But I do think if Aaron's upright, they'll be a viable team and they'll be battling Miami for a playoff spot. You know, the interesting thing is, One of the reasons that it's not difficult to predict NFL division winners. Take the best quarterback, and the best quarterback generally wins or gets to a wildcard out of a division.

What's difficult increasingly is the number of quarterbacks getting hurt, and though the league has made every move and rule they can to assure health for quarterbacks, the CBA, the new CBA years ago, limited practices for offensive lines. So with so many college programs now, outside of your Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, not playing and run the ball downhill offense, you get a lot of these offensive linemen, they're not good run blockers, they're not getting the practice they need early in their NFL career. So there are very few offensive lines in the league that you can stamp excellent. Detroit, excellent.

Atlanta, really good. I think the Rams looks pretty solid it was last year. is getting better. But there's not a lot of great O-lines. Like Detroit's the one. Even San Francisco's that is more than capable at producing big plays for a D-Bo or a Christian McCaffrey, right side of their O-lines not great. So you're going to have some team win a division or some good team not based on a quarterback injury. Again, I think it was over 60 quarterbacks played last year. It was over 53 or 54 the previous year. That's the reality. O-lines are bad, fewer elite, people are moving.

They're not practicing as much. They're not playing in the pre-seat. You know, Sean McVeigh kind of screwed up the NFL August because he refused to play top players. And he snaps. People criticized him for it. Your team won't be ready. They went eight and no. And then everybody copied suit.

Like everybody followed suit. Well, why are we playing this? So the young coaches, he's a bit of a Robin Hood with the young coaches. They follow in line with McVeigh. They just don't play veteran players. Well, the old line needs snaps, especially new. old lineman and old old lineman, they got to get snaps and they just don't take them anymore.

So there you go, Jay Mack, saying something nice about the Jets. I don't think they have a chance to be great, but I do think they could be good to very good based on health and Aaron being upright. So I called up the Super Bowl odds on one of these sports books to match up with your teams. And if you don't think the Cowboys are going to make

the playoffs, there's a yes, no Cowboys make the playoffs bet. No for Dallas is plus 170. So if you don't think the Cowboys are going to playoffs, that's a good wager. Now, I will say the two that jump out, the Colts to make the playoffs, it seems like they're a long shot according to the sports. That's not necessarily anti-Colts. It's pro-Jags and Texans. We think the division's much better.

Division is difficult. And then the only other one, you might be surprised to hear this. You have them last year making the playoffs. Rams plus 100 yes to make the playoffs. Do you think they're in? I think they're in the Super Bowl bubble. I think the Rams really do. I thought they had another stellar draft. Back-to-back, great drafts. Super Bowl bubble? I think they... Are the Jets in the Super Bowl? mobile. No. Nope. Especially after that Aaron Rogers video. Are you having lunch with less need today? Very, very, very concerning video.

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