The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Luka Doncic in the Finals

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

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two, Celtics are champs. We like Boston and 6. Jalen Brown, the MVP, so we got that right. Jammack was on Dallas. He deserved credit, the entire playoff run. It became pretty obvious by, I would say, second quarter of game two. It was just a bad matchup.

It was, I was saying this last night, is that it was the Spurs Tim Duncan against LeBron's early Cleveland team. is, you know, you've got to give Cleveland credit for getting there. They had LeBron, streaky shooters in the outside. Zedrunas Ogostas, good energy. But about game two of the series, you're like, they're just not equipped to beat this team.

Coaching down, they're just not equipped. Dallas was not equipped to beat this team. They don't have as many guys as the Celtics have shooters. Also, the Celtics were an old veteran team. I mean, the second, third best player for the Mavericks is a kid. He's 19 years old. And the best player on the Celtics, Jason Tate. Tatum was absolutely picking on Kyrie Irving, Derek Gladley.

Nobody could guard Tatum in space, led the Celtics and points rebounds. What a series for the iconic Jason. So Jason, Tatum, and Jalen Brown, here are their final numbers. Now, a lot of you wanted Tatum as the MVP just to annoy me. Yes, Tatum averaged a point and a half more a game. But Brown was significantly more efficient, had a better plus minus, and guarded Luca. and the other thing is Game 3 was the pivotal game

because Boston held home court. If Dallas wins game 3, we got ourselves a series and there were two moments in game 3. Remember, Celtics take a lead, here come the Mavs, the crowd is roaring, Jalen Brown,

took the basketball, top of the circle, and put down an in-your-face, jam for the ages, to quiet, the Dallas crowd. That was the play of the series. Remember, Boston had just won their home games. If Dallas wins game three, who cares? We've got a series. There was a second moment. Dallas still fighting like mad. Boston leads 198 minute left. They need a bucket. Jalen Brown again hit the most important bucket to that point in the series. So who guarded Luca? Jalen Brown. Who is

more efficient. Jalen Brown. Who had the better plus minus? Jalen Brown. Who hit the two big shots in the moment in the series when Dallas could seize control of it. Two for two,

Jalen Brown. Tatum scored a point and a half more, a lot of it in last night's blowout. I'm sorry, I thought the choice was easy. Here was Jalen on winning the MVP. It could have gone to anybody. It could have Jason. Jason, like, I can't talk enough about his selflessness. You know, I can't talk enough

about his attitude and it's just how he approached not just this series or the finals, but just the playoffs in general. And we did it together as a team. I see Jalen Brown a lot like I do. Dwayne Wade, physical, relentless, power over finesse, went to a non-basketball power, a little ignored in college, but then, you know, if you recall, D. Wade had a very good March madness. Jalen Brown was hyper-athletic at Cal, and they just kept getting better and better and better. And again, I think he's the most aggressive Celtic in big spots. I thought he hit the two big shots in this series. Here was Tatum on Brown winning the MVP.

We don't have it. Let's go live to Nick Wright, co-host's First Things First, who is now joining us live, customary on Tuesday. All right, so let's start with this. I said, just because you win the Oscars for Best Movie, you're not an all-time movie. It could be an all-time moment. And I think this moment in time, a week east, Denver knocked out, Dallas, a little over there skis is a five-seed. It's a moment in time. This is a great.

Chris Broussard did this yesterday. He said, you can go back to the Dr. Jay got Moses Malone team. It wasn't a dynasty. But for a year or two, they were. They were really, really great. Is that how you classify this Celtics team? Well, listen, I don't want the first thing I say on TV post them winning the championship to be downplaying them.

So I'm going, I will answer your question eventually, but I first want to say this. This is a great team in this moment in time. And those of us, and I raise my hand, that doubted this team, doubted them mostly because we said, well, they've got a bunch of, they've got a lot of good players, a couple very good players, but they don't have any historically great players, and history tells us that you can't win a championship that way. This finals, to me, validated their lack of historically great players,

but it also validated the way they built their full team to make it not matter that Jason Tatum didn't have a great series. It didn't matter that Jalen Brown struggled from three. It didn't matter that no... How about this, Colin? This to me is a stat. No one has said until this very moment. but it speaks to how brilliant they were defensively.

The fewest points the Boston Celtics scored in any five-game stretch all season were the five games of the NBA finals, and they rolled to a title. Think about what that means. Offensively, they just had their worst five-game stretch of the year, and they won pretty easily, the in five games. Why? Because they can guard one through five. They have no weaknesses in that

starting lineup. There are a lot of similarities to me to the 2004 Detroit Pistons, not stylistically, but as far as no weaknesses in the starting lineup, you don't know who's going to be the best offensive player any given night. Four of your five starters can give you 20 at any moment, and they are so connected and so great defensively that they crush you. So that's all the compliments. Now, to answer your question, when we say all-time great, what do we mean? There have been 77 NBA champions. Are we saying they're one of the 10 greatest teams?

Well, they're clearly not that. Are we saying they are one of the 25 greatest? Okay, maybe. Like, if you want to say this is the 24th best team in NBA history, so be it. But the question I would ask the audience is, are you convinced this year's Celtics are better than last year's nuggets? No. I'm not. I think that's an argument in either direction.

Right. Last year's nuggets were not an all-time team. Right. So there are no yeah-buts about it. They won the championship. No one in the future will care about the path, injuries, any of that. They won the damn title. Yeah.

But do I think they're a historic team? No, I don't think we've had a historically great team since the KD Steff Warriors. I don't think any champion since then has been historically great. You know, I said about Luca, I said the difference, the threshold between great bucket getter and champion is different. Duncan, Michael, and Magic 16 titles. They were foundational leaders. Like defensively, Magic not a great defender, but there is a huge gap between, Iverson and LeBron both get buckets.

And Luca looked overweight most of the year, looked tired in the finals. I mean, when Jalen Brunson leaves and not only flourishes, becomes a superstar in the league, he's maybe not the easiest guy to play with, perpetually barking at the rest. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Kyrie seemed to get along with him pretty well. Kyrie couldn't get along with any player for five years. Kari played his best basketball in six years.

I won't abide this, Colin. I mean, you talk about Luca being overweight. It hurt him so badly. He led the league in scoring. He had his fifth straight all-NBA first team year. And he dragged the Mabbs to the finals. In all of NBA history, as of a year ago, the only person ever to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds, and assists was Yokic

last year. There is now a second person on that list. It's Luca Donchich, and he led the playoffs in steals. Like, there are, Kyrie struggled in all three games in Boston. The Mavs role players, none of them played up to their playoff standard. Now, did Luca, for them to win the title, they needed A-plus basketball from Luca, they did not get that. That is totally legitimate.

But the idea that we are going to use this season at age 25 years old to do it, anything other than build up the legend of Lukudanschich is insane to me. He is, he has gotten further in the playoffs at this age than Michael, then LeBron, then Janice, then Yokic, than Steph. He has gotten as far in the playoffs at this age as Durant. The guys Kobe Duncan Magic who got further at this age had a Hall of Famer in their prime alongside them. The Luca stuff is

is not this is not the time to go after Luca. Now what he lost his opportunity Colin to be the best player in the world. That's Yokic now until further for up until further notice

pardon me. But if you have a top three and Luca's not in it your top three is invalid. So if you don't have him as one of the three best players in the world. I don't know what to tell you. Looked a little puffy to me, a little fatigued. But you know that? Yeah, he needs to get in better shape. He does. But you know what can tire people out carrying this team to the NBA finals?

And he never has the greatest cardio that he does need to improve. There's no doubt about that he needs to improve that. But I do think where he wouldn't use the injury as an excuse, I think the injury made him look slower than he actually was. But yeah, to get to the next level, he needs to get in slightly better shape. But my point is, the next level is clear-cut best player alive. If he stays at this level, he's going to be one of the 25 greatest players of all time. So I was, you know, it was interesting when Aaron missed the mini-camp. And I said yesterday, you know, and I've said this before, never married, no kids, not sure he has a pet, is you get older and richer, you can get a little self-absorbed.

Like, you know, wives, kids, sacrificing. So I've seen this in the media. I've seen it in sports. So if Aaron didn't want to go there, but to be a foxhole guy, the GM missed on a quarterback and a left tackle, the coach is on the hot seat, you have an offensive line that's brand new that won't play much in the preseason because old offensive linemen don't. and an old receiver coming in and two new ones. And I said, you would just show up for the team.

Like if we were having a morale building three-day seminar, I think I'd show up for the FS-1 event. You'd show up, if not for yourself, it's not a learning event for me. It's a team thing. It does sort of rub me the wrong way. Aaron, you played four snaps last year. Colin, I think you're being a little too gentle.

If the reports are true, the, hey, give me in 10 words or less what happened with Aaron Rogers last week. The answer is skipped work to do drugs. I don't really need a longer story than that. Now, I'm like that. That I know that and people are like, oh, Nick, get with the time. Guys, I am open to the healing, recuperative, and therapeutic powers of a lot of substances. Some are legal in this country, some are not.

I am not a prude in that regard. I will listen to you on it. I got friends in New York that walk around Central Park, microdosing mushrooms and say, oh, it's a change my life. I'm open to it. But if you had a buddy that was a year into a new job, And the first year didn't go great. And it's like, oh, they're having that company-wide offsite that you've known about for months.

Are you excited for it? And it's like, oh, I actually told him I can't make it. And it's why I'm leaving the country to go do drugs. You'd be like, buddy, I think you won't have your priorities in order. Right. And it's like, no, no, no. I need this for my mental health and all of these things. But I'm going to use an awkward Colin Coward analogy that I'm not that great at.

There are a lot of things that folks would like to do that might improve their mental health. The new thing everybody does, everybody brings a dog on an airplane because they're a nervous flyer. You know what really relaxes me on an airplane? A delicious, full-flavored cigarette. I'm not allowed to do it, even though it would make me feel a love. better because they're like, hey, those are the rules. You know what I bet Tyron Smith or somebody on the Jets might say, you know, to get my mind right before the season, I would really like seven days in Bali with no one bothering me on a beach, Zen meditating. And you

know what the Jets would say? No problem, buddy. There are four weeks on the front end and six weeks on the back end when that's available. These three days, can you make sure you're at work? And every other player was able to say yes, and Aaron said, can't make it, this trip is too important. And if that trip is because this is when I had scheduled months ago, my retreat to go to Iowa-A-Waska, I don't know why we have to patty cake around it. It is a ridiculous choice, and it is an indefensible choice.

And what is going to happen, Colin, is when Aaron comes out and talks about this publicly, this is my prediction. Not only is he not going to take accountability, he is going to not so subtly slap Robert Salah's wrist. Well, I don't know why that was discussed the way it was. I did let them know I'd like to keep things in house and try to remind everyone with the Jets that I am the top dog here up to. to an including missing an event that every single one of my teammates, aside from Son Reddick, who's not even fully a teammate yet, was that? Because I had a pre-scheduled appointment to go do Iowaska, supposedly. I want to end it on this because it's a cultural discussion as much as a basketball discussion.

My initial take, and I'm standing by it, is that the media doesn't know how to handle Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark know how to handle it. The media's parachuted in and awkwardly defended Clark, who's like, I don't need defending its basketball. That was my initial take. It's still my take. She's an excellent player. Both are, actually. And that they're fine.

And that there were 130 flagrants last year, this year in the NBA. There were 65 last year in the WNBA exactly half, and they have exactly half the games. So flagrants happen. Sometimes, not by villains. Many of the most like players come in a flagrant. Things happen in sports. And I'm going to double down on this. Is that Angel and Caitlin, for their age, are handling it almost like

Dak Prescott level, where they go to the podium. They know exactly what they're doing. It is us that doesn't know how to handle it parachuting in. That is exactly right. So that is exactly right. So like, listen, if I were advising Caitlin Clark, would I have told her, hey, there are some really nefarious bad actors using you to be divisive and you might want to get out ahead of this earlier than she did? Yes, I would have advised her for that, but I think she has handled all of this scrutiny in her early 20s and fame and all of it about, I give her like a minus on the grade sheet. Angel Reese, would I have advised her, hey, if you're going to kind of lean into the villain role at the press conference, don't say the refs took control of the game, there could be a little more accountability right after the moment. Sure, but I give her an a minus in how she's handled it. I give the internet and the sports media not only an F, but you have to repeat the class.

It is shameful what we're doing to these two young women and the way they are being used as pawns in what is our never-ending national culture war that has race at the forefront of it. The fact that there are folks that paid for verified Twitter accounts and are now trying to suckle off Elon. Don't money by putting up disingenuous fanning the flame tweets, whether it is that, you know, Caitlin Clark is this delicate flower that needs to be protected. Angel Reese is some, you know, some predatory villain or the flip side of it, the folks tweeting, actually, when you look at it, Caitlin Clark, not that good at basketball, all to get engagement because they're going to get a check from Twitter at the end of the month is shameful. What is

undeniably true is this. These two young women who are the two most famous players in the league, far from the two best, but right now they're the two most famous, they have been the best and the second best rookie so far this year. The only two

rookies averaging more than 10 points a game, these two. Caitlin, one of two players in the league averaging 15, 5, and 5, Angel, the only rookie averaging double-digit rebounds. And neither one of them is playing into this whole they hate each other piece. I do think there's a real rivalry. I do think there is competitive fire. And what they are doing, Colin, if I may just quickly,

it is exactly what the media begs NBA guys to do. Oh, back in Michael's era, people weren't so buddy, buddy. Now everyone's friends. Where's the competitive fire? We are seeing it and we're complaining about it and trying to turn it into something that it's not. It's a great basketball story and it's great for the league. At some point, it will go back to being a basketball story. Yeah. Yeah, I think the girls are great. I mean, it is, and I will say this with a bunch of kids in my life,

is that my kids are more mature than I was, and certainly at this time. You know, they've grown up with, you know, tech and they've gotten access to more information and they're smarter. and I think a lot of it is Caitlin Clark has watched how to handle controversies in her life. She's been a rock star

for two or three years. She's brilliant at the podium. And Angel Reese is kind of leaning into the villain. And that's okay too because... That's okay too? Yeah, I have defended Draymond Green

not just because he works at my company. Oh, you don't say. Occasionally, rarely, infrequently. But the point is, Steve Kerr considers him after Curry the most valuable commodity, the most valuable player. What Angels doing is needed on virtually every basketball team in time. And if I may just quickly, and then I know we've got to go.

It is so patronizing to both of them. Acting as if Caitlin needs protecting, she has been a badass as a basketball player her whole life. She doesn't need protecting. And acting as if Angel is infallible in everything and that any criticism is unfair. She is a star athlete. You know what we do with star athletes? Pick at them, criticize them.

They are both, and they will both be better for this, for going through this. And I think eventually they are going to be the actual earned faces of the league rather than, you know, great college players who are having good rookie seasons. And it'll be excellent for it. But people are uncomfortable with the fact that Caitlin, the hot shot high-scoring rookie, that's a little undersized, is getting beat up a bit. But that is the story of sports. And it is not about her being a white girl, and it is not about any of this other stuff.

It is, she is this rookie that is trying to light the league on fire. Yeah. And bigger people are going to remind her, it's not going to be that easy. That is how sports work, guys. Yeah. That's just how it works. Yeah. By the way, Bryce Harper dealt with this, not for a six-game stretch.

For three years, he walked into, I said this yesterday, the WNBA and baseball were similar in that. Both have lamented the attention other sports get. NBA NFL got more than baseball WNBA's like hey we got an audience you talk NBA and so they're very insular they can be a bit defensive they're very proud

baseball there's a way to play WNBA you know we got this we're good at what we do so I understand they're a little defensive when a newcomer comes in a lot of us parachute to talk about their sports and only talk Bryce Harper and Caitlin Clark like I get a little pushback and I'm totally

it's the junior senator like I get when Tiger Woods came into golf I can remember being a local sportscaster do you guys ever show anybody about Tiger and I'm like he makes golf interesting to your point Bryce Harper Caitlin Clark Tiger Woods we have seen

this over and over by the way what is golf golf's very insular as well yes and and this I'll leave it at this and even you mentioned guys who were all-time greats, or Tiger, obviously, Bryce, a really, really great player. But the, hey, this rookie's getting a little too much publicity, and we want to take him down a notch.

Go look at, somebody go back and watch Lonzo Ball's first 10 games and how he was guarded. Honestly, and that wasn't race, that wasn't money, that was essentially, your daddy talks too much, and we don't like it. And so that is part of sports, guys, and everyone needs to just take a deep breath and recognize whether you like it or not. The WMBA is going to follow a lot of the beats of sports because it's a sport. That's all. Good seeing you, buddy. First things first after our show today.

I knew we'd have a lively ending with Caitlin Clark. And, you know, Nick and I don't agree on a lot. But sports is great for a lot of reasons. And one of them is you've got to earn it and prove it. and Caitlin's going through that tunnel. Nick, great seeing you as always. Rick Buecker will stop by last hour to talk about the Celtics championship. One of my favorite parts of that, though,

and Nick said a lot of interesting things. He said, I don't want my first words to be criticizing the Celtics. And that's how I felt this morning. My lead is, hey, listen, this is a good team. I think it's more perfect time for this team over Dynastic. Derek White re-signed. Then all of a sudden you start looking at this team. They could run off a few of them.

But it is, you can think things simultaneously that the WNBA is a tad chippy, but this is how Bryce Harper, this is how Lonzo Ball, this is Tiger Woods. Certain sports, the NFL is not. Football is America's sport. Women account for like 50% of the viewers, but baseball's different. Golf has country clubs, private clubs, baseball, there's a way to play the game. A lot of our sports are very much about the club. Baseball's whole thing is, hey, you don't stare at a home run. Why not? I hit it.

Golf. You don't walk in front of this. You don't stand there. Your shadow's in the way. And these sports, when you come into the sport, and WNBA feels a little bit like that. Not making money, not getting coverage, second class travel. So when a rock star comes in and the media, and fans pay attention, it's human nature that golf, baseball, WNBA.

NFL doesn't deal with this. They're popular. Everybody loves them. Boy, girl, white, black coast, Midwest. That's different. NFL's open to everybody. It's tailgating. It's a family event once a week.

It's not insular. It's not provincial. Green Bay is good. New York's bad. It doesn't matter about money, market size. NFL doesn't deal with this. NFL's got their own issues, a regulated level of violence, and players get hurt. you know the NFL's you know they've got their issues the CTE thing the big billion dollar check they wrote

but WNBA it can be kind of insular kind of feels like a private club a little bit and they're making Caitlin go through the rigors and say it's the prove it stage and if you don't think Bryce Harper went through it he got into a fist fight with a teammate in his own dugout I'm not joking it was papalbong you know it was a J. who was it I remember I big I'm legally remember, yes. Somebody on his, you know, a feisty, Pabobobong, my bad. But you're not going to expect that to happen. Like, Caitlin Clark's teammates now when she got knocked down by Angel Reese,

three of them ran over to Caitlin. I would have liked another one to get in Angel Reese's face, like, what the hell is your problem? That would have been nice. It would have been nice. But to go back to a point you and Nick we're talking about, real quick. You guys said the Celtics team is like good, but not like historically great. Let's go through the post-Durant Warrior teams.

And you tell me which one of those champions. was better than these Celtics. Well, the question is a fair one, but none of them have been great. Well, that's the point. I think this is the best NBA champion we've seen since the Durant Warriors. I think you could certainly make that argument. The numbers say that that's a fact. Yeah, I'm not opposed to that.

I think they're the deepest offensive team since the Warriors. Well, their defensive season-long metrics were awesome. They have the most 25-point wins in NBA history, the most 50-point wins. They were utterly dominant all season. If they became a three-time champ over seven years, we wouldn't be shocked. I'm saying your argument is they're not the Warriors, they're not Kobe Shack, they're not the Dunkin's First. They're the best team in this run of six straight one-offs. Listen, this is not going to.

Celtics fans get upset when I keep mentioning this online. And I said it all my podcast, Colin, this Celtics team is as good as any of the Larry Bird teams in the 80s. The numbers say that, but we've got the Haitian. Aaceography of Byrd and McAil and Parrish and DJ. Well, I'm just telling, the numbers say that this Celtics team, net rating, offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency, below margin of victory. Like, they killed teams in a better era. The pace of play is completely different.

Okay. Like the pay, the rules, you can't hand check now. Well, you, I mean, that was a tackle era. Remember, they swallowed the whistle a little second half of the season. But the hand check is not allowed. So you can't, I mean, listen, there's certain sports like baseball now. It's all about exit velocity. And, you know, I mean, it's like I don't even the only, even the NFL, which is more past

centric than run centric, feels it's changed. But basketball, the pace of play, you could YouTube the magic teams. They look plotting compared to the pace of play now. Centers are leading the break. I mean, Kareem wasn't leading the break. galloping from behind. So, yeah, the bird, that 86 Walton,

bird, that team is a top four or five team I've ever seen. That's one of the best passing teams. It may be the best passing team I've ever seen in basketball. That team was insane. Wow. You think they're top five team all time? For a season?

These Celtics were really, and I don't like anything, Boston, Colin. All Boston teams, I just like, I just love Jason Tatum. He's a good player. He's an awesome player. Yeah. One more herd?

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Hey, cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then. shape my behavior and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world

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in the making. When the Giants take on the Cardinals in a special tribute to the Negro Leads, live from the historic Rick Woodfield. Coverage begins Thursday at 5.30 Eastern only on Fox. Isn't that crazy? That's the oldest

baseball stadium in America. Isn't that crazy? They can have a Major League Baseball game there. Smart. Good events. So Nick was talking about the Aaron Rogers thing. Basically, he went on vacation across the world and apparently wanted to do ayahuasca. I don't know.

I don't know what he was. doing, but I do know where he was. But, you know, it's funny. I've said this in my life. If you want to be a Super Bowl team, especially a dynasty, you've got to have an A at four areas. Owner, GM, coach quarterback. And that was Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys. At that point, Jerry was an A owner because he didn't meddle with football.

He was a business guy. New England for 20 years, Kansas City currently, Bill Walsh in the Niners. Eddie D. Bartolo was a great owner. And the Cowboys, when it was Jimmy Johnson, the personnel, the front office, and Jimmy at that point, Jerry at that point, first couple of years, was not a meddler. If you look at the Jets, to me, this is what makes Baltimore a Super Bowl threat every year. A, A, A, A, A, A, A. Steve Bishotti, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson, and they've had Ozzie Newsom for years, A, A, A, A.

I think San Francisco, I don't see Brock Purdy is an A, more of a B, but that's why they haven't had a trophy. But if you had to grade the Jets, I would say Woody Johnson, at best, is a C-minus overly impulsive. Some huge whiffs at head coach. The general manager I like, but he whiffed on a quarterback in the left tackle. So he's in the C-plus B-minus category. The head coach is 18 and 33. I'd say incomplete, but it's not a great start. Aaron has not been great in three years, but as a talent, he's not Josh Allen or Mahomes anymore.

He's not dynamic like Kyler or Lamar. He's not big and strong like Justin Herbert. I don't consider him Joe Burrell, but I'll give him an A-minus. So in a weird way, he sought power leaving Green Bay, and he got it. Because Green Bay had the infrastructure that he got fatigued with. He didn't have a say. They didn't have chaos. Green Bay has A's.

They don't have an owner, but the front office is excellent. They've hired excellent coaches. Jordan Love looks like he could be an A. The Jets are a circus of C minuses, B minuses, C pluses, Aaron wanted power. He got it. So they need Aaron. Like he is important to them. That's why the story this morning is the Jets are willing to roll with the Aaron Rogers drama.

They don't have a choice. It's the Jets. Green Bay at the end had a choice. It was called Jordan Love. And they're like, no, we're moving off the drama. So teams that are willing to deal with drama, they don't choose to do it. The headline's wrong. They don't have a choice if you're as talented as Aaron Rogers.

The Packers in the end said, no, we're going to go with the unproven kid. We don't want the drama. The Jets are like, we'll take it. Give up picks. But if you start looking at what makes you, that's why Jet fans are ridiculous. They think we're being critical. Look at what gets you into the Super Bowl bubble. A, A, A, A, A, A.

Could be the New York Giants when they had Coughlin. At that point, the ownership group felt like they weren't as impulsive. They felt like an A. So, I mean, and I think Joe Douglas is good, but he's missed on a left tackle and a quarterback. You're out of the A, you can't, Bill Pollyan wasn't missing on quarterbacks and left tackles in a two-year stretch. Like, you can't miss on those two. You can miss on a number two corner, a tight end. You can't miss on a left tackle and a quarterback.

Did I see you with a C minus for the Jets owner? Is that what it was? C minus? Extremely generous. No, I thought. That would be the biggest curve I've ever seen. He is a flat-out F, according to any Jets fan. Like, he's...

I'm, I think I'm diplomatic giving Sala an incomplete. He's 18 and 33. And a defensive coach. I think I'm being kind here. Is it okay to like Sala a lot as a person? Everything he says outside of the N. And Rogers nonsense. Like, you're rooting for Sala.

Yes. But as a head coach, you leaves a lot to be desired. Yeah. But, you know, again, you're missing a quarterback and a left tackle. The coach takes the hit. Nobody's winning was Zach Wilson and a revolving door at left tackle. So you can blame Sala, but you've got to hit on those two picks. Well, BYU won a lot with, no.

Not really. BYU's won a national championship. They didn't win that much with Zach Wilson. Heardline News around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1. and the IHard Radio app. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker.

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on the IHart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what.

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball, like,

after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out. real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021.

And I'm Kunky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking. down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jared Adano.

You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite.

I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Oh, cream of chicken suit.

Hey, cream, cream a chicken suit. This is help from a hip, hip, The worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coulthura Podcast Network available on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey. of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being,

and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole,

This podcast is for you. To hear more, listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, congrats to the Boston Celtics, J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You guys, Sean McVeigh is entering his eighth season as Rams coach. That seems like it's flown by. He's got a big void to fill when Aaron Donald departed.

Despite the challenges, L.A. will face this season. McVeigh, feeling rejuvenated. You know what's cool? Is being around this group, and especially even last year, it feels like it's year one again. And I really mean that. I feel like these last couple years, there's really just been a real renewed purpose and perspective

that remind you of what a blessing this is. I like that. McVey looks like he's working out with you there. You see the pipes on that guy? Guy, he's putting in the time. You get older, you've got to put in the time. Getting older, is he even 40 yet? What is he, 38? I don't know.

No, I think he is the great culture builder in the league. I think, you know, Shanahan is more considered. We think of Shanahan. We think of that play sheet. And I think McVeigh, we think about his energy in the culture building. Lefleur, we think about. I think about Lefleur. I think about him developing young players.

Green Bay is very young. I think they all have. strengths. I don't know if any of them has a weakness, but McVey, oh, he is 38 years old. So, L.A. got really lucky. They got... Football comes back to L.A. And you get your

coach as Sean McVeigh. Let me tell you something. That he is, if he spent another 12 years here, there's a lot of, that's gone right in Los Angeles. Sofi Stadium's unbelievable. Jared Gough is a great first quarterback in the Matt Stafford. Cooper Cuff, Sean McVe,

Aaron Donald. Like a lot of A lot of times you'll see, like, expansion teams, and they just can't get the coach right or the quarterback right. One thing this franchise, since they really became the L.A. Rams. Coach quarterback, they've been A. I know you're big on the defense and the offensive line. I think the steal of the draft could be Blake Corum out of Michigan. He loved him, and I know the Chargers wanted it badly.

It's a great get for McVeigh and the Rams. Next up, let's talk about Amari Cooper's holdout. He wants a long-term deal. Listen, last summer it was the running back issues everywhere. Now it's the wide receiver issues everywhere. GM Andrew Barry of Cleveland didn't comment on their negotiations with Amari Cooper, but spoke to what he means to the team. What I will say about Amari, though, is since he's been a member of the Cleveland Browns,

he's obviously been a high-level, pro-bow caliber receiver, but he's also a great teammate, and he's a great professional. and we're happy to have them as a member of the organization. You know, all teams will have periods where they go through these type of situations, but it does not change our affinity for Amari. You know, we'll navigate, you know, call it the business considerations and the business aspects as it goes. But, you know, he is a big part of our team. And just as importantly, he's a big part of our culture.

Yeah, I mean, he's a pro. And that's what I like about him. He's a professional on the field off. Highly productive. I still think Dallas made a mistake getting rid of him. I thought Dak pulled back. You know, they paid Zeke early. I thought they should have never let go of Amari Cooper.

How good would Dallas be if they had CD-Lam and Amari Cooper? How about Judy and Cooper once they get this deal worked out? I'm telling you, clearly. I'm not a Jerry Jerry. Yeah, I know, you're not. We'll see what happens. Final story is, speaking of wide receiver holdouts, T. Higgins had skipped all of mandatory minicamp,

but finally signed his franchise tag. and is expected to attend training camp in late July. So a win for the Bungles, nice get with T. Higgins on board for at least one more season, right? Yeah, that's why they created the franchise tag. I don't love it. Well, you don't have to love it. I like player mobility. I'm rooting for the players.

You root for the owners. I root for stability and financial prudence. You root for everybody gets the battle. I want those guys to get paid. They put their lives on the line. I'm not against the greats getting paid. and even quarterbacks who are great being paid early. You are ice cream for breakfast, Dad.

Everybody gets a scoop of chocolate chip ice cream every morning. That is me. Marshmallow flavoring and sprinkles and then they have to go to the dentist. You know, my kid. Bill comes due, baby. Jay Mag with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. Don't you guys have a salary cap at home? I guarantee you your wife running the finances. No, no. Yeah, I bet she is. He absolutely does not. No. It's a fact.

Hour three coming up. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. Help an Acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for band. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was crying. You just understood. That's how personal it got.

Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come in. He's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history.

I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Joey Dardano, and on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice.

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