The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Micah Parsons defends his quarterback

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

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Okay, anyway. But we've had some fun at the expense of Micah Parsons because Michael Parsons is he's trying to do something which I like. I actually like, which is you're using your platform as a superstar football player to build something else, another career. right? I mean, the most famous guy, by the way, the best at it is a guy named Roger Stalbock, former quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, who's made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in, I believe, commercial real estate. But again, it all comes back from he was the quarterback

of the Dallas Cowboys. Also, an officer in the Navy, I mean, he's kind of a stud guy. But anyway, that's not the point. The point is, I like that Michael Parsons is using his stardom, and he wants to have a podcast. Great. Anybody who said the Super Bowl is like, wow, he's got a podcast, he's got a podcast, make sure you put my podcast.

But he's also kind of stepped in it and he has some, he wants to be, he wants to do what JJ Redick is doing, really. He wants to tell the reality from a guy inside football to people on TV that are yelling about football

they don't actually know about football. Right? Don't you feel like that's what you? He wants to set the record. straight. But there's a hard one in second setting the record straight, right? Because sometimes your guy, your quarterback, your teammate, your owner, your team is being discussed and how much of the truth do people actually deserve and how much can it disrupt what you're doing with this secondary ancillary job. Here's Micah Parsons and

Stephen A. Smith. They had this exchange talking about Dak Prescott. I just think when y'all analyzing y'all don't I think so much falls on a quarterback and I notice Michael why are you doing that because I forget that it's so much else other factors out there we didn't do that to Patrick Mahal we didn't do that to Lamar Jackson we do that to John not to the same not to the same extent not to the same extent not to the same extent not not to the same extent you think you're implying that you think we're a big to deck Prescott

I did not say clearly he's trying to throw it all right forget cruel are you thinking we are too hard

on deck Prescott I just playing performances I just think you're analyze everyone differently

besides besides besides Patrick Mahhons what other quarterback in the afcc

has accomplished anything to get more credit than deck um Joe Burroughs has been a Super Bowl Aaron Rogers

won multiple MVP's won a Super Bowl um Lamar Jackson's been criticized right he has two MVPs but only two playoff wins

like two playoff wins to his name he's received plenty of criticism and look this is not me simply pushing back on Dak Prescott's woe is me you're picking on on I mean Michael Parsons woe is me you're picking on Dak Prescott like no we've gotten this from people why do you pick on

Lamar Jackson we're like no that's the position it's always been the position okay we used to call Peyton Manning like he was Clayton Kershaw couldn't play in the big game

not his regular season like 80% winning percentage post season 50% winning percentage right that's how it works okay it's how it works again I didn't no one said it's fair life by the way not fair but that is the position that is the position

You don't think Dan Marino sitting back there going like, dude, I was better than Joe Montana. If I had Jerry Rice, if I had that defense, you know, I was better.

I had Roger Craig as my running back, high knees. But that's not the way it works, dude. Joe Montana beat him once and head to head won three other soup pulls. Joe Montana for that era was the goat. Period, stop, end of story. I said this about John Elway.

When John Elway lost the first two surpls, when they got eviscerated, remember what, because people always tell the story of the drive and the fumble. What they failed to remember is the Broncos got eviscerated in those two surpoles, right? And my point would always be about John Elway. He was better then. He was peak of his powers. He was, and I thought, Colin, the best parallel. Colin has done in terms of

player comp is Josh Allen and John Elway. Like those two are that's what the John Elway experience was like, man, he was so big, so athletic to throw a football. But they get to a Super Bowl and then the team wasn't that good. And he couldn't

play, he couldn't be the superhero. When he won two Super Bowls, I don't know if people remember this, when John Elway won his first Super Bowl, it was the lowest quarterback rating, a a Super Bowl champion had ever achieved. In other words, he didn't do anything.

It was a lot like Peyton Manning's last Super Bowl. He didn't do anything. Hand the ball off. Great defense. Very smart, simple game plan. One. Everybody remembers the helicopter in for his last Super Bowl, right? People forget, like, he was just okay at that point in time.

But again, that's not how it works. We are, we judge based upon results. Judge based upon results. and this is where Micah Parsons, it's where it's basically impossible to do what you want to do, which is to be an informed NFL analyst while playing in the NFL,

especially when you're a cowboy. Like, DACPres got through two pick sixes in their loss to the Green Bay Packers, correct? That did happen? I was what, I was what, again, it's very possible. I've thrown on games before

and I've mistaken things before. But if I'm not mistaken, can you guys help me out? Did Dak Prescott throw two pick sixes against the Green Bay Packers? The Green Bay Packers defense, okay, was so maligned this year that even though they beat the Cowboys and should have beaten the Niners, right? Honestly, that one was as much on Jordan Love, just too young, not, didn't know how he

could just stick the stake in the heart of the Niners. But against that team, like, they held him in check until the last drive. excuse me, only one was pick six and the second one was the interception led to a touchdown, my bad. But you throw two interceptions, one's a pick six. The game was over at halftime. And it wasn't because the Packers' defense was amazing.

They got a couple turnovers. And the offense wasn't amazing. They got those turnovers, and they led to 14 points. Like, that was the game. The Packers' defense was so maligned that the second the season was over, despite beating the Dallas Cowboys on the,

the road and playing head up with the Niners on the road in the rain. They fired the defense coordinator. And by the way, nobody was like, no, you can't fire that guy. They're like, dude, our defense sucks. And that's Dak Press Con's performance against it. We don't care about the second half. Oh, we got to go in the second half. Like, dude, the game was over. Over. So it's the Cowboys. It doesn't happen, you know, off network where we can't see. We saw them against the Niners in the regular season. We've seen them in the playoffs. Last year against the Niners in the playoffs.

This year against the Packers, like, what more do you want? Is it fair that we cut out, you know, 75, 80% of the games? No, it's not fair. But that's the way it works. This is Big Boy Sports. Okay? You want to play for the Cowboys? When you lose, we're all going to celebrate.

Because every year, we're so tired of hearing this is your year. It's what you sign up for. Now, there's benefits to it. Look on your TV set. All the former Cowboys. I mean, Tony Romo didn't win anything. And he's the voice to CBS. Why?

He's a cowboy. Great story. Undrafted. He's a good quarterback. But this is how the elites are judged. And oh, yeah, by the way, Micah, like, if you're going to do this thing and you're going to say, hey, not another AFC quarterback's outside of Pat Mahomes has done anything. Like, isn't Aaron Rogers in the AFC?

By the way, I mean, just like, if we want to get to it, he's still in the NFC, Russell Wilson's the AFC. Right. And again, I think Russell Wilson's toast. But again, like Russell Wilson's been to two super bowls, one a Super Bowl, done plenty of amazing comeback against the Packers, you know, just to get to one of the Super Bowls. Like plenty of accomplishments there. Hell, he's suspended, but Jimmy Garoppolo was an AFC quarterback.

He'd been to a Super Bowl. Again, I don't think Jimmy Garoppolo is as good as Dak Prescott. Instead, change the argument. Like, look, you don't understand all the things that Dak Prescott does to lead us, to get us ready, all the plays that he makes, the leadership. Like, that's actually what he could do and provide insight and support his argument. Instead, he's doing what we accuse others of doing, which is, we started the show with. It's that fast food, junk food, throwing out hot takes that don't really have a substance. I like Michael.

I think he's an awesome player. dude went to work in the celebrity All-Star game. More so that I went to work in the celebrity. I had 17 of the half, man, I just want to point out, and I wasn't ball hogging or anything. I just had a good time. And then half-time, they're like, dude, slow down there.

Let's let Kevin Hart get another MVP. All right. Arnie Duncan was awesome to play with. Arne Duncan at the time was Secretary of Education, and he went to Princeton. I think he played at Princeton. He was awesome. He's the word back-cutting, throwing him.

Like, what are you guys doing? I'm going to play basketball. Michael Parsons is like, well, like 37 and like 33 shots in the celebrity game. Like, dude, what are you doing? I will say this. He played harder than any of those guys in the real All-Star game. All right, coming up next in The Hurt. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin.

Is there any way the Bears don't take Caleb Williams? I mean, think about this. They have never had a big name, big time, franchise quarterback. Just haven't had one. And the last time they were drafting in the top five, they looked at Pat Mahomes like, eh, and they drafted Mitchell Tribisky.

I understand. It's a completely different front office. It's a different coaching staff. But it's the Bears. Is there any way they go, Caleb Williams, we're going to pass. One more herd?

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following a fumble by Isaiah Pacheco inside the NFL the show that is a break down with unseen footage, unheard audio, all captured by NFL films, has released all of their edits following the Super Bowl, and we didn't get any of the audio from that interaction between Kelsey and Reed. So it would appear that we're never going to know exactly what was said during that little interaction. That was, that was weird because Travis Kelsey's miced up for a bunch of stuff and that one didn't come through. Somehow, some way. Somehow?

Some way. Yeah, I mean, look, in the big thing, picture sense of what happened. I got no problem with Travis Kelsey. What about the George Kittle where he's blocking George what's his name? Carl Offtis. And he says, hi George, and he's not paying attention. And there's a fumble right

behind him. I actually think that's the worst audio there was. Right. That Kittles just have it out there having a good time, like fumble on the ground. Balls out. And again, in fairness to George Kittle, it's very possible that even if he was super focused and trying to be trying to be a tough guy in blocking and not say anything.

He still might not have seen the fumble or gotten the fumble, but it was a bad look. Yeah. But yeah, no issues with Travis Kelsey and honestly no surprise that they aren't going to let that audio out. Here's what I said, and I don't know what Colin said about it. I think it all shows why Andy Reid has survived and thrived this long. Because he didn't overreact.

he didn't you know and that's most old guys that are accomplished guys like don't touch me don't run up on me don't yell at me right I mean we see that from players all the time

like don't touch me yeah like let dude it's football like you know this is a sport where you know Lou Holt's famously would grab dude's face mess and that was normal

sure that's not abnormal that's normal but I think it just shows why Andy Reid you know and it wasn't like he freaked out and changed his play calling you just kept doing his thing and understood he couldn't lose his school.

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Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. A bunch of stuff to get to. But give me just Caleb Williams. You've done the role of a scout in the NFL before. What's your eval? Yeah, I mean, I think part of the draft evaluation isn't always just about the results of a play or the win-loss record. So a lot of it, and I think Josh Allen is an incredible example, is about projecting, right? and the physical attributes, where they go.

And clearly with quarterback, probably more than any other position, it's harder to quantify just the desire, love of the game, the work ethic, all that stuff, has to be at like Fortune 500 CEO level by the time you're 22, 23 years old. And so there are just so many variables. But I think if you, and it's always based on the class. So, like, relative to his class, I think he's clearly the best prospect. though, I do think there are a lot of people that just have questions of just playing within

the structure of an offense, the coaching he's had the last couple years, which ironically, because Lincoln's had, you know, successful NFL players at that position, but it got a little out of whack. Now, some of that could be that besides Lincoln Riley, no one on the staff was making more money than Caleb, so, you know, was he listening to anybody? You know, he's had some issues in the past of, like, to me, that crying to the mom, I don't care about that. But the stuff he wrote on the fingernails, and listen,

I matured a lot in my surgery, so it's like you can grow up, but that's something that was, he did it, and he did it multiple times. Now, he didn't do it this year, but there, I would... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, writing F, whatever, that's a big thing?

I mean, on your fingernails about the opponent? Yeah. As a quarterback? I think that's a little weird. I mean, I, I, I, I I think that's something that we're talking about, for sure, in a scouting meeting, and when you talk with the guy and talk with the coaching staff. Now, it's a big deal in the sense of, at the time, he did it multiple times, and he lost both the games, and then he didn't do it this year.

So I think he even acknowledged that, like, that's kind of stupid. But I just think there are question marks with the legitimate number one overall player, because that's what I think he is. Okay, okay, so here's what I said earlier, and like I understand that this is a different regime, okay? This is a different regime than the one that dragged to Mitch Trubisky. But you just watch Pat Mahomes win another Super Bowl. And though some of the specific details about him are different, right?

Like with Mahomes, there was also, you know, like Pat Mahomes, senior getting a third DUI, not as surprised to anybody in the NFL, right? there was some thoughts of like, dad's got a bill of a drinking problem. Is this going to be a problem for Pat Mahomes, right? And then there was, you know, footwork, Lucy Goosey, tried to play hero ball, had to try win games on a lot of similarities to Caleb Williams. I just, I look at the bears that have never really had a franchise quarterback.

They've never drafted the guy number one overall. They missed on Mitch Trubisky when they, I mean, they missed on Pat Mahomes and drafted Mitch Trubisky. Don't they have to take Caleb Williams? I mean, they just have to. Yeah, to me, he's going to be their pick. I think one big difference, and listen, I talked about this on the pod the other day about Marvin Harrison Jr.

Is like, and you know this, in basketball or football, the hype train of a prospect just kind of, there's no slowing it down. And there's sometimes the differentiation between the media and I would say the teams. Like there are some rumors that people, not every team in the league doesn't have Marvin Harrison number one, which to me, of course. course they don't. But like I bet you just pulled it on Twitter, everyone in the media, but that's insane! And I

think with quarterback, I would say he would, I don't know if he's 32 for 32, but when the dust settles, when everyone does their evals, I think he'll be clearly the number one guy. That's the difference though of Mahomes, right? Like, we've been talking about Caleb Williams, it feels like for I don't know, 36 months or

something, like a long, 50 with a true freshman in Oklahoma and he came in, he threw the ball of himself against Kansas. Mahomes, I would say, beside, like, Beach and the Chiefs, would any team of the league of drafted them number one overall in that draft? I don't think so. So honestly, I follow the draft closely. I wasn't even talking or thinking about him that much. So I just think that hype train, and that's the problem going to the Bears. If you are him, Coward said this and he's right. What if they get off to a slow start?

Their division's really good. They're like one and four. I mean, Iber Flus could be fired. So you could just be in one of those situations where it's just a lot of moving parts immediately. Doug Gottliebin for Collins. That's John Middokoff. Three and out is, in fact, the podcast. Chad Johnson said on the volume, right, that a little bird he told him Russell Wilson to the Steelers. I don't see it. And I'll give you two reasons why.

One, you have an offensive quarter. that hasn't ever worked with him before. Guys usually like to hire people they've worked with, especially when, you know, when they can be a little bit tricky like Russell Wilson can to work with, right? Because they have specific things that they like. The second thing is, like, outdoors in that division, I really don't see it. What do you think of the idea of Russell Wilson to Pittsburgh?

Yeah, I mean, you never know if you get for really cheap. Like, what if they say they don't have to pay any money? you know, for like a fifth round pick. They are a little desperate. I read the headlines they're arguing over Mason Rudolph and Mr. Bispir, I mean, and Kenny Pickett. If you're ever arguing over those two guys, you clearly need a quarterback. So I think the price would work so if you can get them for free.

When you look back at Arthur Smith, you know, he had those two years where they were really good and obviously Derek Henry went nuts. Kenny Hill was somewhat of a version of an Alex Smith type player. Right. So he's proven the way he wants to win. Now, part of it, too, is like, Alex, Tanny Hill, they're just pretty easygoing guys. I mean, one issue with Russell is there's a hoopla on a level of fame with him that it's, like, probably pretty exhausting. And one thing I keep an eye on for the offseason with him is, like, how many teams are going to want to deal with that?

You know, I don't know. Just because, and listen, some of it might be unfair, but it's there no matter what. No question. Success or failures is going to be one of the biggest stories in the NFL next year, right? Whatever team he's on. I don't think there's any question. He doesn't feel like a Steeler to me. That's what I would say.

I would say when you look at the Steelers and the Ravens, they just have similar type like guys who just run through a wall. Yes. You just close your eyes. You envision their type players. He does not feel like he's playing for one of those two teams. No. I would agree with you. If you're the Niners, what's the right fit of defensive coordinator?

Well, I mean, he's very good family friends with Bill. So I think, you know, Jed runs in the Silicon Valley circles where everyone loves talking about their billions. I think your number, your first five calls are just listening, Bill. I'm not trying to offend you. We don't view you as a defensive coordinator. But if you just would have any interest, here's a piece of paper, write down everything you'd need. The amount of money you'd need, the jets you'd need, where you'd want to live. like we would take care of you.

Now, I don't expect that to happen. But you have to make, I would say, first of all, I'm going to say, you have to make that call. They've already talked. Kyle said that Bill, remember Bill when he traded Jimmy Garoppel, Bill called Kyle. You know, they're, and he said after he lost the football, one of the first calls on Monday was from Bill. I mean, they're, they have a unique family relationship. Now, and listen, I think it sounds crazy, but you go, unless Bill's going to do TV, which nothing's been announced yet.

How is he just going to be away for a year, and that's going to be good for his brand in terms of interviewing with GMs and coaches? I mean, it didn't hurt McCarthy. McCarthy did the, I'm going to meet with my coaches in the basement and watch every game. I agree, and he lied about watching the Cowboys. But he was a lot younger.

There is a level of just the age that, I don't know. Which is crazy. I mean, I think Atlanta's nuts for not hiring Bill. But then I think you go, you obviously were talking to the Brables, Pete Carrolls, all those guys that are just legitimately out of work. But I bet when the death settles that they hired some

connected position coach that Kyle's comfortable with. I mean, that's as non-sexy as that's going to be, but that's kind of what I would expect. Because like Robert Solomon, when he was hired, no one knew who he was, and he was just a position coach that Kyle had worked with before.

And I think they went outside of the family for the first time. You know, D'Amico, Robert, were Kyle guys, and it didn't work. And then look at what Kyle just dealt with. Andy and Spags, right, in the family, know each other well. Kyle really likes working with guys who knows, right?

By the way, by the way, everybody does. It's human nature. I mean that are good. Like, he thinks are good. Right. But he's also like we're all on the same page. Right. And I think he has a proven track record.

Listen, I think one of the biggest just kind of red flags and negative marks around Bill's career. It's just how crappy all the coaches that he mentored was. If you look at like Andy Reed, it's like one of his great strength, I can think Kyle.

I mean, look at all the assistance to get jobs. Everyone wants them. They all seem like solid coaches and guys that are just ascending. People like them. I think it's a big, big strength. It's always been a big strength of like the Harbaugh's because unlike Kyle, they don't even call offense or defense.

They're just great coach evaluators. Sure. And in this day and age, with, you know, the pressure and everything, you really need, I mean, you've always needed in football, good staff. But I do, I give Kyle credit. Listen, he made a hire. It didn't work out. Like, he wasn't comfortable with it.

Clearly, the players weren't comfortable with it. His main star, Fred, Bosa. And he pivoted. It doesn't, and this notion, like, he got screwed. Like, he's being paid $2 million or maybe at a three-year contract to go away. He's going to be okay. He didn't get shirt. The defense got, once they played Baltimore, the defense, like, look, they, they struggle to stop the Green Bay Packers, right?

With basically a rookie quarterback. Couldn't stop. I was playing golf yesterday with a dude from the NBA, and we were talking, and I was like, you know the crazy part? He's a big Niners fan about the devastating 49ers Super Bowl loss. You could argue they shouldn't even have been there. They easily could have lost one of those games. Couldn't stop the Lions Lions kick a field go up

24-10. It's a tough path to see them win that game. Honestly, even they got work the majority of that game. Even the Packer game, I mean, they were hanging on

for dear life. No question. No question. I want to play for it really quickly. This is Antonio Pierce. Antonio Pierce, he was a guest on Max Crosby's podcast. He said this about how they beat

Pat Mahomes. You got the Jordan rules and I'm calling out from now on as long as I'm here, the Patrick Mahome rules. So you remember when Jordan was going through it with the Pistons, all those guys in the 80s before he came Michael Jordan and Air Jordan, the Pistons used to whoop his...

Anytime he came to the home, elbows filling them. Love taps. We touched them. We're in their head, mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, I'm touching you. So I show those guys, Jordan getting his... So he's saying, like, look, the way to beat Mahomes is to be physical with him, right? Like, oh, it's... And by the way, just, you know, he was Air Jordan before the Pistons. thing, but that's okay. That's neither here nor there.

Is it actually possible to have the Mahomes rules to be more physical with him than you are with other quarterbacks? Well, I think two things. I would say being physical with a quarterback is a pretty tried and proof. Right. Everybody, he didn't like to get hit. Guess what? None of them like to get hit.

Yeah, that's like Joe Montana and Tom Brady and John Elway and Brett Carr. Like, I mean, guys, it's harder to play. I actually, listen, I understand Antonio Pierce, she's passionate. I don't know personally. Everyone likes them. I understand why Mark went with him, but I think this is kind of dumb. I mean, once you get to a certain level, like Brady got to, Tiger got to, Michael got to, their motivation, like, they don't, like, they're actually, they need stuff like this to kind of keep motivated.

And listen, he was bad in that game on Christmas when he threw the pick six. I think he threw another pick that got overturned. looked, it was like the worst game if you ever seen him play. But isn't this an easy one if your mom's and Andy next year to get excited for the Raiders? You know? No question. I know it's a historic rivalry

but if you're, I just think that this one, I don't know, I wouldn't, listen, I think he could take a lot of pride the Raiders. Look, they, like, listen, they called him Michael Jordan. You can actually flip it and go, wait, see, you're thinking our guy's Jordan?

He's that, you're going to revere him to that level? We won three Super Bowl. No, no, I'm not saying he shouldn't. I'm just saying your coach just called the guy on the other team, Michael Jordan. So he did. Listen, it's not like he was even talking crap or whatever. No.

Listen, he could be extra physical. I don't think, you know, I don't think it means. It's also one of those. I mean, I've talked to NFL, but they're like, dude, you won a game that didn't actually matter that much. And you're puffing out your shit. Like, I guess you should. It's an accomplishment. But you're sitting out and going like, hey, we beat him Christmas Day.

Like, and then, and. And listen, people think I'm a writer-hater. Maybe I am a little bit. I think one problem they have is that, you know, over the last, like, decade, especially as Vandie's been there, they beat the Chiefs a few times over the years. With the Holmes and with Alex. But who cares? Like, the Chiefs are always playing in January and they're, you know,

seeing who their next quarterback should be. Same, same with the Chargers. I'm with you there. Same with the charge. He's John Minnockoff, three now. Is the podcast? Download it, check it out. Put it in your cue.

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coach succeed in the NBA yet. We've had a couple. Give it a shot. And I want to use that as kind of a jumping off point for this from Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum was asked about being the next face of the NBA. When LeBron retires, you know, the face of the league, that's tough. But But, you know, we win a championship. I got something to say about it. I know that. Yeah, I mean, obviously he wants to be the face of the league. He's crafting an image, right, where he brings deuce along everywhere,

who cutting, like, a really cute kid that everybody in the league knows and likes. And he does offensively play with a flare with a dramatic. It does feel like there are times in which it's kind of like an IG reel. Like, how can I? I'm open, but, you know, if I take a side step three. It looks cooler. Oh. He also added in the athletic, I feel like it's mine to take.

We should remind ourselves that when Michael Jordan retired, there was kind of a leadership vacuum. We were searching for, Iverson just couldn't do it, couldn't do the corporate thing. Right? He couldn't do it. Duncan and those guys, too boring. Too boring. Jason Kidd didn't work. right

the problem with everybody liked some of those guys they couldn't win nobody liked Kobe Bryant at the time like it's it's as we look back now on Kobe and how he's revered like really important to know like it wasn't until late Kobe

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you know Dirk only won one so it wasn't really it was still LeBron's league and he came back LeBron came back and won the next two I'm going to say no we're just not ready for that as people I'd love to say we're mature enough as people to go like, does it matter? He's the best player. Who cares if he speaks for an accent?

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