The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 – Mike Renner joins The Herd

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

2 Pros and a Cup of Joe fill-in on The Herd, and Cam Newton brings up the debate of MVP’s vs Championships. NFL Draft Analyst Mike Renner joins the guys live from the Senior Bowl and Saquon Barkley admits to rooting against the Eagles in the Super Bowl vs the ChiefsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. It's a herd Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox. Filling in for calling here. Hour two of this three-hour extravaganza. Getaway day coming up in a couple of days as we get set for the Super Bowl in New Orleans. We will be there.

You can hear us, by the way, Monday through Friday, 6 to 9 a.m. Eastern Time. 3 o'clock to 6 a.m. Pacific time. So a little later start time for us today, but we will be back in our standard time slot coming up on Monday live from New Orleans at Radio Row. And who the hell knows who's going to be walking the streets

of New Orleans at that time, at that hour. Lee. Yeah. Yeah, probably Lee. Probably our producer. Yes. This we do know. He really is homeless right now.

He may not be with us. He may be walking the streets. Lee may not make it back. A lot of wild stuff goes on on Burbank. history, man. I mean, God, I wish you guys could see him. He really, he's going to how many, what are we, 45 minutes

sleep, you said? Yeah, if that, not quite that much. I had about a half hour, I don't know how much of that was actual sleep or not. Can I just go back to the question? I think LeVar brought it up. You must want to prolong this relationship if you're choosing to run it out

only for a month. Talk to him, and not just lowering the price and trying to sell it, like just so you can cut ties. Tell him. If I could sell it today, I would. But I'll take the month rent. You're lying. You're lying, dude.

You're lying to me. Lying to myself. Yes. Why do you, you know, habitual liars do not realize that they are lying, bro. You have like Stockholm syndrome, man. I'm just saying, there's something going on here. It's not that bad. Is it not?

Hey, Lee, why we're in a crop top today? Dang. It's the new fan. Punky brewster head. Hey, Lee, how's your computer doing? I got a new charger. Oh, God. On my third computer now, on my third laptop.

Why is that, Lee? Oh, the other one got a little wet. Lee didn't have a flotation. How to get wet, Lee? I don't know. Don't know. There was nobody in the body of water. You weren't in the body of water that that computer, that laptop won't.

It was mistaken for a frisbee. By who? By the way, Lee, Lee doesn't use air tags. He uses lifeguards to get his belongings back. Hey, Lee, Lee, who thought that your laptop was a frisbee? I don't know, I just saw it fly out the window, that's all. What window? Whose window?

Damn, my UFOs. From your window. That is correct. Okay. All right. All right. So there you go. All right.

All right. So from that, and we'll get to the bottom of, whatever the hell's going on there with Lee. Between love and hate. And why Lee found out an hour before the show he was homeless. Cam Newton, the former NFL quarterback, is now making the rounds. He's not a huge fan of, you know,

Jason Whitlock and some others these days. There's been a lot of back and forth from Cam and the media. If you're at a seven-on-seven tournament, and you try and throw down with him, he'll just control you with one arm. He'll put his hands on you now. Slap your buddies around. never losing his hat. He looked like Jean-Claude Van Damien.

He was un-a-frey. Did he have any marks on him, like any rips in his clothes? No. So much amazing. No, not even a wrinkle. I've said it once. It didn't even come off. I will say it before.

He is an Adonis. Like, he is one of the most physically imposing people you have ever seen. Like, you got to see when defenders walk on the field pregame and they see how big. cam was like i remember playing against him in 2012 and i was just like dude i was like bruh y'all are the same size yeah yeah someone's got to try to tackle him in our second year the same size what are you talking about no no no buddy i swear to god when i stood there and you like you look up like he i don't know what he is he's listed has if he's six five six six six that's in your mind no he's like six foot seven he's closer to six seven than i swear he is six five he is he's and i just and he can

and he could feel well he ain't just he can he can run yeah he was a bad dude yeah he's a lot he's good in media i mean he's he's a lightning rod in media i mean people are paying attention to him he's basically brady quinn is what you're saying lavar the the black version yeah yeah yeah that's a great point yeah so the blast and a little bit more athletic you know what i mean like wait me i mean i mean i i mean can we run with that on Twitter? Brady Quinn is the white Cam Newton or Cam Newton is the black Brady Quinn. If we could just do that.

Both very good looking dudes. Keep going. Keep going, Marr. It's not doing any of that. Over 6 foot 4, 6 5. I'm with you. It's definitely not. Music, you can attest to this too, correct? Well, not only that, I just want to know who has the better hat collection

because Brady, I hear you get pretty close to some of these things we've seen Cam Newton wearing. It's the hair off the top. You heard that. Cam's hats are crazy. Actually, actually, if we're really going to call on someone for their hats on this show, it's VAR. VAR, you showed up with a fire hat at a funeral. Wait, wait.

Wait, what? I did. It was a black hat. Oh, what, that's right. I can't bring this up because it's a sad subject. No, no, no, listen. No, that is correct. And he had perfect vision.

He was able to see, like, you know, any hammocks. right. There was three takeaways from that funeral. There was a racon that popped out at the grave site. I didn't want to see it, but some things you can just see, you know. It was Levar's hat. I was like, oh, that's a statement hat for a funeral. It was your in-laws, your family and that car that I believe in had hydraulics.

Yes, it was like half the block with Tyrone, the chauffeur. He had Mondaveu. and Antoine de Bailey in the back and that's 610. Dude, I've never seen someone pull up to a funeral. I was like, br-r-br-br-mm. It looked like Cam Newton said on someone's shoulders.

Hey, man. All I know is the Knox brothers, y'all boys, y'all got this thing for whips. Yeah. I have no idea what's all about, but y'all, y'all and your vehicles. I don't get it.

And the last thing was, is the attire was risque. For some of you know what was there. Bro. Uncle Lava. I was like, damn. Why would I approve? I'm sitting there saying my goodbyes.

And while I'm looking to say my goodbyes, so was I. I see a red thong. I mean, I didn't know I couldn't look at the final flight. LeVar's like, I looked at Barreel.

LeVar's like, who brought the slingshot? I looked at LeVar like, did you just see that? He just gave me that like very sly nod of like, yes. side of you. Yeah, so just if we can peel back the curtain just a bit, the curtain, not the thong, we just peel back just a bit. We all, I think it's the only time that this show has ever all gotten together outside

the show is at a funeral, not to be named who was being lowered down, but somebody at the funeral who was a family member decided to go, no belt and red thong when they bent over to say their goodbyes, and LeVar was the first. one to spot it like a drone from outer space. Lovar like a drone from outer space. You are stupid. I am not a hawk out like that. I was looking at the, we're looking at.

I was like, wow, that's a beautiful casket. Whoa, what is that? Like, why is that there? Levar just one of these things don't belong here. Everybody, it's like a somber moment. People are laying flowers on the casket. It was that moment. You just hear Levar in the background go,

Thong! cheese LeVar You saw the red rose and it matched the red foam That was what stood out It was very rose reddish And I don't know why I remember that

But I do You know So From that over to Cam Newton Yeah Cam Newton Cam Newton has some thoughts On the debate

Between MVP And Super Bowl Obviously an MVP winner Obviously not a Super Bowl Winner and this was his take on first take yesterday. I ask you, Cam, if you could give back that league MVP for a Super Bowl championship, would you do it?

No. Oh. Really? Really? Wow. What's more important? Impact or championships? If we're being honest, the impact of you holding yourself accountable

to say everybody has a responsibility to do. And you can say as an MVP, award winner or an all-American, you've held yourself or you've held your end of the bargain down. And that's what it really comes down to it for me. I know that's not the popular pick. I'm trying

to be popularized. But my take is I'm taking individual success because I did my job. So there's Cam Newton. I don't disagree with him. You guys can take it first. I don't

disagree with all of it. So I would rather have a Super Bowl. I would rather have a national title. I'd rather have a Super Bowl. But he's, I mean, what is inaccurate about what he's saying? If you've held yourself personally to the highest standard that you can and you've worked your, now, if it came at the expense of others, if you getting the award that you got most valuable player award, which how would you be the most valuable player?

if you're costing your teammates, if you're costing the team games. So to me, I would, I can understand the reasoning of saying that I'd rather have the MVP title or whatever it may be based off of what I've held myself accountable to, to what my level of play is going to be. I mean,

I don't have a problem with that. Let me just put it this way. I think when he answered the question, he answered it, but then he kind of pivoted to like a deal. different conversation. Because what you're talking about are like two kind of separate things to me. If you asked me, and granted, I guess the only thing I can say is, I don't win the

Heism, I won the Maxwell, right? So that's a player of the year award. Would I have traded that for a national championship? There is no doubt in my mind. And I think had I had a successful enough career to ever win MVP or even be a part of a team won a Super Bowl, to me, there's no hesitation. You take the championship, take the Super Bowl. And I think it's in part because, you know, for me personally, because look, it's all about perspective.

It's all about how, like, he feels. Like he won the MVP. Now, he's been to a Super Bowl. He lost it. And so I would think from his perspective, there's not too many other people that could kind of understand what he's saying and how he's saying it and why he wouldn't trade that. But I think for most players, most people, you would take the championship in part because it's not such an individual thing. You get to share that moment, that history, you know, it's one more than forever, right? You hear that phrase all the time because you're going to forever be remembered in history together

as a part of that team that won a championship. And that to me is the ultimate thing about football. Like what I love about football is even as much importance as the quarterback position has. And you might say, hey, it's the most important position in all of sports. That may be the case. But there's still a defense. There's still all these other variables and pieces. and people around you that it takes in order for you to be able to win.

It's the ultimate team sport. Nothing else is even close in my mind. So because of that, I think the power of winning a championship and all the people that it impacts, your teammates, that coaches the front, everything else to make it come together and make it work, is that much more powerful than just winning that MVP because there's no one else that can share it with you. Like, yeah, you can have guys to say, man, you guys help me win this player of the year. You help me win this MVP award.

great. But it's not impacting them the same. They're not going to a Super Bowl with their family one day when they have kids and say, yes, son, I remember when we came here and we won. Like that's where this ring comes from. They're not sharing in that. Like those guys who were on Camp's team that year don't have a ring that they're showing and saying, yeah, remember when Cam won that MVP?

Like, here's my MVP ring from, you know what I'm saying? So I think the difference is, and this is where I think there's a difference in how people talk about leadership. leadership, some people would just say, it's doing the right thing, right? Saying doing the right thing. But there's an element of accountability too. It's being the type of person that's going to be able to bring people along with you in that success and hold them accountable for doing their job too. Like, doing your job is just not enough.

I know it's a phrase that people throw around a lot. But I think the best teams have players who force guys to come along with them. And in that, there's kind of shared success in those championships. but if you're doing your job to the best your ability and you're doing it so high that you win MVP, great.

But ultimately, like, I don't think there's many players or many guys, let's just put it this way, who've won MVP, that wouldn't trade that for a Super Bowl or for another Super Bowl.

They had one of one. I'll just put it that way. That's a very unique take. And I think some people probably look back at that play in the Super Bowl when there was the fumble, and it kind of didn't really go for it, and they're like, well, yeah,

kind of makes sense. No, no, I don't get that deep with it in terms of him not going for the fumble. I mean, I didn't like that. He didn't go for it. But that man did what I felt was humanly possible to win for that team, especially the things he accomplished that year. I just look at it again. If I am going to be the best teammate, I've got to get myself up in the morning. That starts with me.

I have to get myself out of the bed. I got to get myself to the facility. That starts with me. I have to put in the work and the time to study the plays and know the playbook and know what I need to do. That starts and ends with me. The only way we can be great together and win is if all the individuals on the team, knowing that they're individuals, bring the best them.

You got to bring the best you. You got to be the best you that you can possibly be. And if you're going to be measured and judged in a way where they say, all right, you were the best of the best of being measured to the standard of what is the best that comes to the table in terms of becoming an MVP. I just, again, I don't think that there should be an either or, for one. I know it was an either or question. I don't think that you should have to give away the idea or the understanding that being the best you that you can be. and being recognized for that, I feel like that's ultimately going to lead

to all those things you just explained. Like, for me, I don't, like, we never won a national title in college. I'm super close with my teammates. We're super tight. I made it into the pro, I mean, into the college Hall of Fame. And even when I went to the Pro Bowls

and in the league, like, we're all going. Like, let's go. Linebackers, we're going. Whatever it may be, we're going. I know for certain that it's my effort and my accountability to my teammates that's going to get me up every morning. That's going to have me running that win sprint as hard as I possibly can.

It's not to get the personal award. It's to be the best teammate that I can possibly be because I want us to win. If that leads to me becoming a pro bowler, if it leads to me being a defensive player at a year or anything like that where I get an award that recognizes my effort, then I'm not... Again, I'm not...

not, I'm not going to sit here and say, I would want the championship. But at the end of the day, if I got a personal award because of my effort, my effort being seen and being, you know, recognized that way, I'm not going to have a problem with it either. So for him to say he'd rather have it, I don't have a problem. I don't have an issue with his mind or his reasoning behind wanting it. One of the examples he gave were quarterbacks, you know, like Nick Foles, quarterbacks like Trent Dilfer and there was another one. Brad Johnson

was the other quarterback that he gave like would I rather trade my career with them. They won Super Bowls but never won an MVP. And I'm curious, would he feel the same trading a career with Matt Stafford? Because Stafford never won an MVP but he's got a Super Bowl or Drew Breeze. Those are better quarterbacks than the ones he gave his example. But my point would be they don't have the MVP. So would you trade your career

for theirs, which is a bigger picture question, but I don't know how anybody, and Cam Newton's fantastic, but I don't know how you could look at the career of Cam Newton and a Drew Brees or Matt Stafford and say he had a better run than they did. So in totality, I just, I think this. And furthermore, if they win that Super Bowl in 2016 and they beat Denver, Cam Newton's probably a Hall of Famer. Right. I mean, he's got both with him. It's just kind of an interesting, retrospective on it. You know what I wonder? I wonder if his perspective too comes from like, do you remember

at Auburn? They won the national championship. He won the Heisman trophy. And I think he played on a team that, and you can go back and research this, but they didn't have many draft picks. They might have had like one or two, maybe three on that team. And it was one of those championships

and one of those runs where you're like, this guy was so dominant that he was Superman. He was the entire team. And so, like, there's elements of, like, he's kind of been that, right? Where he won that player of the year award. He won that national championship and displayed all of that. And so, again, maybe that impacts his perspective of when he got in the NFL.

And I think, and the hard thing is when you get in the NFL is even as good as he was in that MVP season, it still wasn't enough to be able to win a championship. And I think if, had he phrased it and said, like, here's the tough thing about answering that question is. Where you're going is correct. If you're going right. We had an amazing team. But the problem is, even at my best, I wasn't lucky enough to be in an organization or a part of a team that we had enough to be able to win it all.

And that's the reality for, I think, a lot of guys. I mean, think about the Green Bay Packers teams. There are Rogers has been the MVP and they make a run, but they get stopped by the San Francisco 49ers. You know, there's those years where it's like, despite the fact of him playing at the high level, it's still not enough. And I think that's more of the perspective that I thought he was going to lean into when he answered it.

That, yeah, I wouldn't trade it because I feel like from my standpoint, like I'd been there as the best player and won a championship. And I realized at the next level that it's not enough to be even the best in the league. You still have to have peace and help around you. And so I think, again, that's why I go back to what I initially said. It's the ultimate team sport. And I think being able to share more in that. And VAR, you go back to Penn State all the time. I mean, you were the defensive player of the year.

When you finish there, you were that guy. But the difference is if you went back now. I would trade it 100 times out of 100 times to have had a national. Exactly. Because you know what they'd be saying handed in 2025? Like, hey, James Franklin, Penn State. They just got Jim Knowles. They got Christianauer coming back.

The running backs are back. Everyone besides the number one overall pick probably in Abdul Carter is coming back to try to go all in to win one. And it'd be the first time since Lovar Ayrington was here in 1-1. Like that's what they'd be said. Every time you'd go back, they'd remind you of that. And so that's, I don't know, again, I would have answered it differently, but I also think the way he went about answering it didn't probably fully portray like the difficulty of to just winning games in the NFL and getting the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl.

And I think it more talks about too, like what the chiefs are attempting to do is ridiculous. I mean, really what Patrick Mahomes and this team and Andy Reeve done since he started and taken over is ridiculous. To have that much sustained success where all you know, is at minimum the AFC championship game. If not more. What, five of six, you said to Super Bowl? Yeah. Yeah.

For what is worth, if the Carolina Panthers were on the trajectory that the Chiefs are on right now, Cam Newton would have been the catalyst of it. Like you guys said, whether we say a Drew Breeze or not, you know, in terms of MVP or whatever it may be, Drew Breeze was the catalyst of how good that Saints team was. Then you're going to be recognized that way, even if you want a Super Bowl. Bowl or you didn't. If they're on that trajectory, Cam Newton would have been spoken of in the same terms that we're speaking of Patrick Mahomes.

So either with the MVP award or without it, he would have been spoken of in the same exact manner, in the same exact manner. So, I mean, you got the award and you get to stand on the fact that you had the award. But at the end of the day, I would rather be able to stand there with, knowing that I was a key part of it. I'm one of the key reasons why we won it all. I would rather that.

Cam Newton's numbers at Auburn that year, just to look at him again. Oh, that's staggering, bro. Like, over 2,800 yards passing, 30 touchdowns. Bro, he's a unicorn for a certain. Another almost 1,500 yards rushing and 20 touchdowns. A guy had 51 touchdowns that year. Because he was the greatest season.

It was the greatest single season in college football history until Joe Burroughs season for LSU. That's unbelievable. Joe Burrow. That's the reality is he had the greatest single season ever in college football history, and people can challenge that all they want. When you think of who is playing around him, what they went through in the SEC to win it,

and how dominant he was, it was the greatest single season ever in college football history until Burrow, who I think unseeded him, and mostly because of the path that they went on. But even his stats were ungodly. I mean, just ridiculous what he did in 2019. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Earrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you.

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Great head of letters, too. Yeah. I'm curious, do they hand out a free recess? Mike, thanks for joining us here. How many bags of Reese's pieces did you go home with? I didn't get any this year. Actually, they usually haven't in the hotel, and I didn't go to the team hotel where they're all staying.

So none for me, thankfully. I'm trying to cut back. So you didn't do your job, Mike? Is that what you're saying? I had Ryan, Ryan Wilson and Rick Spielman over here at TVS. They were the ones interviewing the players. I was getting to sleep in there. All right, so let me ask you this, before we get into this specifics player upon player,

position group that you've been the most impressed with thus far? That's a good question. I think the tight ends down there in Mobile. There's probably a handful of guys that I see going on day two of that class, maybe as much as four, that we're. down there, which is, I mean, for a tight end class down in senior bowl, that's a lot. So, I mean, there are other classes that are going to have first rounders. Like it was a pretty deep defensive line class as well.

There's probably going to be a handful of guys go in the round one of that class. But tight ends, like I think this is a year where you can find a lot of starters on day two of the draft. Mike, I want to ask you about the quarterback class. There's been a lot of talk of maybe some teams looking at 2026 and especially coming off of that 2024 class where you had so many guys. go in the top, what, 12 or whatever it was, how would you rate this year's class

and how would you order these guys? Yeah, I mean, if you're compared to last year, there's at least four guys that I would put above anyone in this class. It's probably, you talk to other people, there may be as many as six. Like all six of the first rounders last year, they have higher grades on than anyone in this class.

So from that perspective, it's week. But then, like, you look at last year's class and all six kind of look good, right? Like, there's no, none of the first rounders really crashed and burned out of the gate. So maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. So it's not super deep. To me, it's a three-man class, in my opinion.

It's Cam Ward. It's Sjura Sanders. And it's Jackson Dart. I was talking to Rick Spielman yesterday, former GM, Minnesota Vikings. He said he thinks Jackson Dart's going to be a first rounder after his week in Mobile. Now, I'm not willing to go that far. But I do think he's the most intriguing option if I'm taking a swing somewhere on day two in this quarterback class. After those three, everyone else is like, I see just back up.

or intriguing project that you're going to have to wait three or four years for them to ever come along. So I think it's a real thin class and lacking of top-end talent, but it's not as bad as 2020, right? Where Kenny Pickett, that class, where there's only one first rounder, it's not completely bereft of talent, but it's definitely a down year at the position. Does Dart remind you of Bo Nakes a little bit? That's kind of what I see watching. That's why I think he will end up going in the first round. A little.

I mean, body type-wise, arm-wise, the way they throw at, I think there's a lot of comparisons to be made there. I thought Bo was just a much quicker processor. With Dart, I wasn't a huge fan coming into this year. You watch the Ole Miss offense, and it is comical what Lane Kiffin's doing there from like a NFL's projectable standpoint. It's not even like half-field reads. It's like one-man reads.

They're just reading like a defender, and he's making a decision off of that, which that's fine, but you don't really know what that guy's going to look like in the NFL. So I thought that's why his senior bowl is so big for him and him looking like the best quarterback down there. That's why you're getting, you know, Rick Spielman saying he wouldn't be surprised he goes in the first round. But I thought his ball placement was much, much better this year. And I think he's a little bit underrated of an athlete. You know, obviously he's white, so that's always going to be an underrated trait. Damn. But he can actually move. Wow.

LeVar, your thoughts. That caught him. Well, he's correct. He isn't lying. Mike, let me ask you this. You just sat there and you said, improved his draft status this week. I wonder, and knowing that obviously the combines and personal workouts will come in, you know, latter weeks, does this, when you see them, you know, participate, how important is it? Because, you know, guys are opting out of playing in the senior bowls based upon, you know, going deep into the playoffs. do you lose any traction by not participate on the even Shador he's not participating in the senior bowl he's there but he's not participating do you see it as playing any type of role in maybe

not helping or hurting their chances of improving their draft stock going into the draft I think it's very important for specific players so for DART specifically obviously the question mark is that offense that will miss what if you look like in a pro style offense doing what he's going to be doing the NFL. And so he goes down the Cedar Bowl and all of a sudden that's what he's dropped into and has to operate in that. So then looking good in a completely different offense, that's big for his stock. Now, what you do are at, you know, he's played four years of football. I don't think that's the question mark with him is how he's going to operate, you know,

an NFL caliber offense with what he did at Colorado. So I don't think it's as important for him. But then you have other guys like Gray's Abel who's like a North Dakota state offensive lineman who's switching from tackle the guard or center in the NFL. This is huge for him because He's never played interior off of the line before. He's never played NFL caliber talent before. That guy made himself a ton of money this week with this performance on the football field. But other guys who are like already first rounders, already top 15 picks, played in the SEC maybe. You talk about some of these Ohio State guys that have played the top competition.

It's meaningless for those guys. You know, them going to senior bowl is really just to get exposure to coaches and GMs and interviews that they wouldn't otherwise get. So it's really a case-by-case basis. but basically for guys who need something, need a box to tick that they haven't necessarily ticked on their collegiate film already. Mike Renner joining us here on The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, CBS Sports NFL and draft analyst. He is at the Senior Bowl there in Mobile. We've talked a lot about, obviously, you know, the age of the players coming out of college with, you know, the red shirts and extra years and COVID years and all that stuff. They get older and older.

have you noticed in talking with people there any issues or concerns about the development of some of these players as far as transferring from school to school, being able to opt out and go from place to place? Has there been a disconnect from when they arrive in Alabama getting ready for the draft? Yeah, I know the guys who are like starting their career at Georgia, then go into USC and then to Penn State. Those guys have like a red flag.

Those are the ones that scouts are like, like, okay, we got to do some homework on this guy. No one likes that guy. But I do think from just a developmental standpoint, it's good that you get guys from lower levels of collegiate football. They get to now play in the SEC after two years improving themselves. Like you get a lot of guys who, you know, you're looking at guys in this class who, you know, started at like a Charlotte.

And then they transferred up. And now they're playing at the best competition. So I think it's helpful for a lot of those. it's more helpful than not, but it definitely it kind of exposes the red flag guys before they get to the NFL. The guys who are just bouncing in the wind, taking whoever is the highest bidder for three straight years. Those are the guys you don't necessarily want

on your football team. So I think it actually is helping evaluations, guys staying longer, really getting to know who they are, and getting to develop at the competition level that they should be developing at before they have to make that big lead to the NFL. So if anything, I do think for an NFL evaluators, these are, you know, you're actually getting better evals on these guys because of NIL and Transfer Portal being a thing. Mike, I'm not sure if you know this. We actually have Pete Prisco on for a weekly on our show. And for folks who out there don't know, you get to work

with Pete Prisco. So my first question to you is, how would you describe Pete Prisco? Not physical. I'm not asking for your scouting impression. was Bill Hey. Personality. Character, personality. I'm going arm lengths first. I'm going body type.

Just scouting me. But after that, I mean, he's a lot of people think he's angry. And he's definitely like a little angry, but he's more just like he is unafraid to say his feelings.

And a lot of times his feelings trend negatively. But he's not going to back down from a challenge. And more than happy to face it. So, yeah. Okay, so here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to ask you a question, and I want you to answer like Pete Priscoe,

who has been the worst player? Who had the worst week at the Senior Bowl this week that you're like, my God, that was awful. Oh, gosh. Okay. There is a quarterback from Canada named Taylor Elgrisma. Hadn't watched him going in, but like, I can't remember what school he was from exactly, but the guy just was not ready for the Senior Bowl competition, unfortunately.

So he had himself a pretty tough week. I try to think the cornerback group down there too. I don't want to name too many names. Her Shiloh had a rough time. Also, I didn't get to see Shiloh at the Super Bowl. He actually wasn't on the field when I was there, or at the Trival, excuse me, what he was there. So I didn't get to see him there.

But, yeah, the wide receiver DB 101s are not really set up for corners to look good. And this wasn't a great wide receiver class. So there weren't a lot of corners to write home about, unfortunately, at the Super Bowl. You named one Canadian guy. You can't name one other mainstream guy that you're like, he was projected high, but he didn't have a great week.

Okay, Dionne Walker, the Kentucky defensive tackle. He's huge, right? Six foot, he's the tallest defensive tackle, since they started recording that stuff in a database in 2000. Six, seven, and a quarter. He's got a weird build. He couldn't even fill out his pants because I don't think they can't get that long. But then also, because he has, like, these spindly legs,

unfortunately, for a guy that size. So he's really top-heavy. He's like this refrigerator on top of stool to stool pegs. He can't play low enough on the interior. So he had reps that are good on the edge, like going up against tackles. But I just struggled to see what he's going to do at the NFL level. That's the guy that he can move so well. I'd consider he's still 20 years old.

I consider asking him if you want to play off. That's a build that can play it off in the tackle. That's just going to struggle with the hold up against double team in the NFL against like guards and centers. Mike, do you have a, before we let you go, do you have like a sneaky one to look out for? Somebody that you think based upon what you've watched could be maybe a second, third, fourth round pick that could be a potential star in the NFL? Somebody that's your favorite. I love is David Walker from Central Arkansas.

He's six foot, 267, and he's an edge rusher who, if you try, once he goes to the bull rush, I didn't see a single person to even come close stopping him this week. You say six foot? Six foot, two, 60s. Built like Brandon Graham. I mean, the guy is lower the earth, explosive off the line of scrimmage, and just plays with a tenacity that, I mean, like I said,

he dumped a full rush five times in the one-on-ones, and like every single time the tackle was running backwards. He's just a guy that's no one, you talk to any off the tackle around the NFL, those are the guys they do not want to block, the guys who literally you cannot get leverage on them if you tried. because they're built so low to the earth.

So he's the guy that, you know, Central Arkansas, the tape was insane, but it's also a low-level competition. So seeing him do it against guys who will be in the NFL next year. Yeah, I felt pretty good about that. He blew up that Oregon tackle, right? Wasn't that one of the highlights that went around social media? No, that was Mike Green, the Marshall. Okay, used to be a receiver.

He's going to be, he may be very well the highest drafted guy there. He had a great week in two days that he was there. Gosh, there it is. Mike Renner, good stuff, man. Thanks so much for doing it. also your breakdown and these specs on P. Prisco, we can't wait to play that for him at the Super Bowl of New Orleans next week. There he is. Mike Rutterwood. What he called?

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He's getting ready to play in the Super Bowl for the first time in his career. Well, not for the Eagles, though, because regarding the last time they were in the Super Bowl, they were taking on the Chiefs, of course, and this is what Sequin Barclay had to say about that matchup. Of course, I was rooting against the Eagles. They had just knocked this out of the playoffs. There was no part of me that wanted the Eagles to win that game. Well, of course, two years later, two playoff wins over 2,000 yards, things are much different

now for Sequoan Barkley. Yeah. I mean, he's rooting for. Foreman. Like, Sequin, why don't you have a little bit of an edge to just start gambling on the game? You know what I mean? Like, let's spicing this up a little bit here. I mean, do something, you know?

Take a better approach. I don't know about that. Sequin, would you say you're going to go for more than a hundred twenty-two rushing cards? Right. By the, is there a path to victory for Philadelphia if Seacuan doesn't go off in that game? It feels like he's kind of the linchpin to that entire team per usual. And if he doesn't have a big day, they got no opportunities. unless Jaylen Hurts all of a sudden

starts throwing it downfield like he hasn't all year long. He's an out of the straight jacket. Yeah, I guess so. I would say it feels unlikely. I mean, obviously we know how talented in A.J. Brown is and even Devonte Smith, which sort of feels like an afterthought at times. But just so much of what they've done this year

has been just built through is Sequin going for over 100 yards or not. I have a hard time. I have a hard time seeing that. play out that way. Well, Joe Shane watch the Super Bowl, do you think? Do you think he's going to... Actually, how about this? Let's say

Sequin does go off in the Super Bowl. Do you want to be in the room if Joe Shane is watching the Super Bowl? Oh, God. Hell, do you fire your GM in New York if they win the Super Bowl and Saquo? No, actually, I'd rather want to be where John Merritt is.

Oh, yeah. That's where you want. That's the room you want to be in. Especially at bid time. Let's see how long it takes Jonas. He said he'd have a hard time sleeping. Relax. Relax. All right. All right.

All right. Let's wrap up with this. Panthers quarterback Bryce Young. He had a rocky second season, obviously. Got benched at one point during the year, but did bounce back in a big way. End of the season. Three game stretch. Seven touchdowns. No picks.

Passer rating over 111. Well, his head coach, Dave Canales. Here's what he had to say about Young. I just got to give him all the credit, handling it the way that he did with the mature. and attacking it and really positioning himself for the next opportunity, not knowing when that would come, really taking on that challenge and finding joy and playing the game again. So Bryce Young sort of finding his footing towards the end of last season.

You know Justin Herbert got an opportunity to play because Tyrod Taylor got stabbed by the team trainer. Yes. If Andy Dalton doesn't get in that car accident, Bryce Young maybe never gets on the field again for Carolina. Great way of looking at it. I'm just saying. For how well he played. I mean, he saved his best one last. He was awesome versus Atlanta to finish the season.

His best game as a pro, hopefully that'll give them some patience with him into year three to get another shot. Yeah. A car action. Good job, Jonas. Yeah, at least I could deal, you know. Stabbed you, huh? You know, LeVar, I don't like your tone. Punger would have been better, but stabbed?

What you said, Shivd? That's just as bad as stabbed. Let's get away from that. Hey, you know what? LeVar, we don't really appreciate your tone today, to be honest with you. Oh, okay. You know what? You know what?

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