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Episode Date: March 12, 2025

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Rachel Nichols is going to be joining us here in studio in a couple minutes. Just a baseball note, the Yankees have a great tradition. It's been a good run, but the franchise is pretty much over. Garrett Coles out for the season, so you can close up shop. And John Carlos Stanton has pain in both elbows. So if you watch the Dodgers and Yankees in the World Series, the only time you felt like the Yankees could go toe-to-to-to-is when Garrett... Because the Dodgers have more good players.

It's not close. Was when Garrett Cole was on the mount. He's done for the season. And I don't know if you've seen this 21-year-old like phenom from Japan for the Dodgers, Rokie Zazaki, this pitcher. Holy Gio. Wow. Unhittable splitter.

That kid is something else. You're watching spring training baseball? Absolutely. I feel like I don't even know you anymore. Magnesium, spring training baseball. You're all over the place. First of all, when you're going to play. First of all, when you have the greatest roster in the history of a sport in your backyard.

That's bold. Greatest roster in the history of baseball? Go look at the Dodgers lineup. Last year, the lineup was unbelievable. Now I get this phenom. I get Sho Hayotani. They picked up a middle reliever and a Tanner Scott. I think didn't they get Tanner Scott in the bullpen?

Then they had it. Blake Snell? What's the name of the starter pitching? They added another starting pitcher. Sorry, I haven't moved completely in a baseball talk. But their starting staff's incredible. Last year, they were relying on bullpen games against the Padres, the Mets, and the Yanke. Bullpen games.

They were like, we just don't have enough starters. Now they had two high-end starters, and then Show-A. Otani's going to pitch. And they get Tanner Scott. So 120, 125 wins? I don't think they care about the regular season. I'm just saying, if you go think about this, the Dodgers won a World Series, and they had a bullpen start against the Mets,

podrays, and Yankees. I don't even know if that's ever happened in the playoff run. And then they added three, if you count it, Otani, three high-end pitchers to a batting order that's the best since the 1975 red. I don't know. What was it? The 27 Yankees?

I feel like they're still the gold standard. Now, putting on my Charles Barkley hat, of course. Nobody's as good as those guys. I'm just... I'm just telling you, they're already planning the parade route in Los Angeles. The mayor, Dave Roberts, they're planning the parade. The Lakers have the route planned, by the way. And they won the World Series in five games.

And that they won it in five games, and that's with bullpen games. And they've added three high-end starters to a, I mean, it's the only team where platoon guys can win, like, National League Divisional Series MVP. Like, it's just an insane roster. I had a buddy go to a Dodger game, a buddy, an acquaintance go to a Dodger spring training game, ticket was $105. I mean, when you can charge more for a spring training game than the Cincinnati Reds do for like down the third baseline seat, like that's the quality of what you have. It's, it is, this, this phenom, this young kid, Suzuki, just go online and in between your ayahuasca pursuits.

Go look at this kid's stuff. it's incredible oh and here's shrieger on uh... aaron rod we've talked about Aaron Rogers where Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson apparently you know they're they're up for the giant Steelers job

this not out of my mouth here's Shreger on Aaron's decision time table Rogers we know is going somewhere and it might not just be a week it might be two weeks three weeks four weeks if you think you know the answer to what Aaron Rogers' time table is because I've spoken of teeth

the sorts on both sides and everyone's kind of got that shrug emoji we're seeing giving it a space let him decide now we don't know the numbers we don't know what's been offered exactly but we do know there's been contact to these representatives and both of those teams okay I just it's weird you start putting corporations on hold I'll get back to you I can I've never done that but I can I can presume what the answer would be we're moving on so That's just crazy. But you know what?

I'm not going to pretend I have any magical insight on this. I don't really know. But I just know how big corporations work. Like, they want to know at the most important position what's going on. So I'd give him a heads up. Remember, this is what happened to Aaron in Green Bay when he went on the darkness retreat. And he came out of the darkness retreat. And the Packer said, we're moving on.

And he was a little bit surprised. Well, dude, come on. You had all off-season. You've got to give bosses, especially big corporations, especially when you're a valuable employee at a certain position. You've got to give them a heads up. And I'll get back to you on that. That never ends well.

That never ends well for an employee unless you're like LeBron and his prime. I'll get back to you. That is you think you're better than us. That's the message it's sending. I'll get back to you. I'd be careful. You don't own the business. All right.

We bring her on. There's a reason. Good knows her stuff. Fox Sports NBA analyst Rachel Nichols covering the NBA now for 30 years is joining us. Tonight, by the way, Thunder at the Celtics. Now, that is probably a preview of the NBA final. Many would suggest that. Yeah, could be.

My take on the Thunder has been, I know they're really good. I think they're Cleveland last year. They need another year to bake. They have a lot of good young players. I don't trust young players on the road in the playoffs. What should we look for tonight in this game? Yeah, I mean, I agree with you on that front. I think the thunder are probably more dangerous than people think they are,

but I do always subscribe to the you got to get deep into the playoffs. Steps and lose before you can win. That being said, they're a great team. And tonight, I think the biggest swing is going to be injury stuff. So Jason Tatum is questionable with a knee thing, kind of a wonky knee. He didn't play the last game. Chris Epps Porzingis has been sick with a mystery illness, which is just so crazy.

I mean, you've got the best doctors in the world treating these NBA players, especially in Boston. And nobody can figure it out. But Missoula has said that he's pretty close to returning. I don't know if that's going to be tonight. And then on the other end of the spectrum, Jalen Williams, we know he's not playing tonight because he didn't even go on the team plane. So he's not in there.

And I think that is going to be what makes the difference. If Tatum goes, Jalen Williams isn't there, I think that if Boston can hit its threes better than they did the last time these teams matched up because last time Boston was, I don't want to say it, nine of 46 from deep, embarrassing, certainly for that team. And if they can do that better, and double-team Shea, which is something that statistically, he's a little bit, it's a little bit of a hole in his game, a little bit. And if they can do that, then Boston should win, but we'll see. Yeah, the, you know, it's, if, let's say you skim the NBA, we all watch the NFL, but every other

sport unless you're a diehard, everybody skim stuff. Yeah. And so everybody knows like, oh, Jimmy Butler went to the Warriors with Steph, and everybody's like, oh, a pretty good team. But if you don't follow the NBA, I tend to follow the Warriors a lot. My buddies are all Warrior fans. I'm on the West Coast. I'm no Kerr. So when Jonathan Camingo

was healthy, and he was averaging 20 a night. Yes. So they're adding a 20-point-a-game guy to a team that's 12 and 1 since Butler arrived. I don't know exactly his role, but I almost feel like now the Warrior Games count. I can watch them and make something of it.

Yeah, I mean, look, size in the West is a bigger factor than it is in the East right now. And teams that add size, like getting Cominga back, is going, that's going to make a big difference. We'll see, obviously, but if you have a Denver Nuggets team with Nicolioch, you want someone like Kaminga in the lineup to match up against him and draw some vows and things like that. So I think it's a real key playoff thing, because when things get deep in the playoffs, that kind of stuff is going to really matter. And it just adds more confidence to Steph and Jimmy because, you know,

hey, I got another guy who has my back. And we have seen Steph's confidence and just sort of joie de vivre, let's say, rise since the Jimmy trade. And because he just knows he's not the only guy. He didn't have to do everything anymore. And that they have hope and they're playing well. And that's a dangerous, Steph Curry. Yeah, I think whenever you run a business and you acquire somebody,

there's always unintended benefits and liabilities. And I don't think even Steve Kerr thought, Steph was going to get 28% better with Jimmy Butler, right? So I was thinking about this. The advantage to having gray hair is this. I've seen everything three times. Sure. So people forget this.

You know this because you're a bit of a historian on all this stuff. So when Michael Jordan left the NBA. Which time? Which time? Right, right. But I mean, when he, when he basically left the Bulls. Okay.

The league lost 50% of its ratings. Yes. So when you see this downward eight-year NBA trajectory, it's been gradual. Yes. Half America stopped watching a wildly popular league. Yeah. And the reason being is they just didn't have the next star. They had Iverson and Marbury, and the consumers were like, me.

Yeah. So I've seen this happen. I'm old enough to remember. I started watching the NBA in 72, 73 with the Lakers, wilt with a headband, old wilt, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich. So I remember that. The league was sort of dead. Yeah.

It was Nick's Lakers and a bunch of nonsense. And then here came Julius Irving. Here comes Magic Bird in the 80s. So what's happened to the league in the last month with Luca to the Lakers and Butler to the Warriors, I don't think anybody understands this. I just saw the Lakers Celtics rating. Oh, my Lord. High, high, high.

Seven year high. Seven year high, non-Christmas game. Non-Christmas game. Which is a little bit of a distinction, but still, tremendous, obviously tremendous interest. Do you think, when you go around the league and cover it, do you think the Lakers are surprised just how damn big this is and the league is? I don't think they're surprised. I think the Lakers are used to being the draw.

I don't think there's anything less than an expectation of being the draw. And they have consistently, especially since LeBron's gotten there, been the draw. But the idea that Luca isn't there now and that people are just, it's not just his star power, it's that people want to see what this combo can do. They want to see how this team is going to work out. That raises interest. And then look, Laker Celtics is a huge bone-in NBA rivalry. I mean, you talk about Magic Bird.

That's how deep this goes. And I just don't think that the collective memory of NBA fans ever forgets that. And you've got two huge markets and a rivalry that's been going on for, you know, 40, years and that's a recipe for the highest non-Christmas Day rating in seven years which is just listen ESPN is bailing on baseball i don't get it but they are fox just broke a record this past year 67% increase why big stars in the right cities that's just the reality of our sport oh tony with the angels meh tony with the dodgers game changer for the sport well look market size has a lot to do with it because it's how many people are tuning into their TVs. There are a lot more people

in Los Angeles and Boston than there are in, say, Oklahoma City. So when those teams are playing well, you have a lot more people tuning in and that rating goes higher. It's obviously not rocket science, but it's fun to see it happen. Also, we'll just throw this out. This is projecting, but there are two other moves that could really help the NBA. Yonis eventually becomes a Nick. That's been rumored for a year. Yes. And Cooper Flag goes to the Bulls. Yes. So Cooper is a great player for Duke, the biggest domestic brand. Chicago's led the NBA in attendance for four years with a bad product.

Yeah, yeah. I'm a season ticket holder for the Bulls. It's packed. Bad games, packed. So my take is we just had the Butler Luca moves. Yonnas to the Knicks potentially, potentially, and Cooper flagged the Bulls. That's the next level of everything's lined up. Okay.

I love Kevin Durant. He can drive me nuts, but I love him. So he's not going to be a Phoenix son. Nobody can make a move now. But I just, I want, I want you to start stirring a little bit. Are there leaders in the clubhouse where he may not be the one, but he's the world's best two and takes a team to a title? Yeah.

I mean, if I were the Knicks, by the way, because I don't know if, you're honest, is going to be up for trade. That's right. So I wouldn't count that chicken until it hatches. But if I were the Knicks, I would try like hell to get Kevin Durant. He fits there. Because he just fits there so well. If I were the Miami Heat, I would try like hell to get Kevin Durant because they have definite trade possibilities there.

If you look at potential trades, and obviously they have been a mess since Jimmy Butler left. And a star like that is someone who, Pat Riley knows a lot about stars. Let's just say that is someone who they'd be interested in. And the thing about Kevin is, and we said this when he was younger, that he was going to be. able to age in this game better than most just because of the way he plays and the kind of shooter he is and it's fun to have said that 10 years ago and now with the age he's at to see it playing out his shooting percentages his three-point percentages they're higher now than they were the season he won MVP I mean he's just ageless in this way there are people uh whereas

westbrook was hyper athletic his game didn't age as well yeah Kevin Durant is I mean, there's an argument. Take LeBron out who doesn't make sense, like Brady. Does it make sense? You can argue, if healthy, no player in the league's game ages better than Kevin Durant. Yeah, 100%. He can go catch and shoot. If he slows down, I'll just catch and shoot guy.

Yeah, no. And also, it's funny, I spoke with Kevin the other day about this, is that he's the guy who instantly can do well on any team he goes to. Absolutely. There's usually, even with the stars, even if it's a good fit, There's usually some adjustment period. Jimmy Butler is another guy like that. As we've seen with the Warriors, Jimmy likes to say I fit anywhere.

Kevin Durant fits anywhere. And it's just instantaneous. The first game he plays, he looks like he's been there forever. So that also means that teams looking to acquire him are going to get a guy they know is going to be good from the start. You know the other thing that Kevin never gets credit for this. I always say this about presidents. You never get credit for disasters you avoid. Yes.

All right. You just don't get credit. You stay out of a recession because of a move. Kevin never gets credit for this. He knew that when he was going to the Warriors, he was going to catch hell until he left the Warriors. There's a level of courage for him to say, yeah, I know this is going to piss all of you off, and I don't care.

And I think eventually, Draymond, it was a lot. I mean, they were, you know, Michael Jordan didn't deal with Twitter and the nastiness. all these athletes now are dealing with a level of scrutiny. Same with our presidents. It's just kind of gross. And I find myself, even though he can drive me nuts, I find myself always rooting for Kevin Durant.

Yeah, I mean, he's liked in the NBA by players. Absolutely. He is extremely likable, and one of the things that players really respect about him is, you know, that you'll see guys a lot say, I just want a hoop, right? Kevin means it. He wants to play every day. He wants, he's game for a game. anytime. He loves basketball.

And players see that, fans see that, and it just seeps through about, hey, I like this guy. Yeah, there are certain players in sports. I don't root against, but it doesn't break my heart if things don't work out well. Durant's one of those is though, even though some of his decision-making on where he's playing drives me nuts, I'm like, he's so much fun. And he's got, I love the fact that he takes shots at people. Yeah, no, it's tremendous. And look, Kevin had his reasons for going to the Nets after Gold state, I respect those reasons. If it were me with my reasons, I would have gone to the Knicks in the first place because I just think the fit there would have been great. I think he would have

been the most popular player on earth because it's the biggest market in the NBA and no one loves their team like New York Knicks fans. So I think it would have been a good move for him in many ways. I mean, if he had just gotten that team to a conference finals, people would have just been, oh my God, right? So I don't know if the Knicks are going to actually acquire him this summer, but if he did, if they did, to me, it would be, okay, finally, he's in the right place. If you ask players and people you talk to in the league, SGA or Yokic, what are they saying? Privately, they don't want to say it publicly and get hell. But if you ask people like you do, privately who you got, what do they say?

Well, it's been interesting. It really is a coin flip. Yeah. And most guys will tell you that. And what I like about this MVP race is that, at least so far, we haven't seen some of the tearing down of the other guy and the vitriol that we've seen in past. years. I mean, it got pretty bad with Embed and Yokic. And it got pretty bad with some of these other comparisons, Hardin and Westbrook, when they were dueling and going at it very close. This has been

a lot of respect from both sides. I think the fans have taken a page from the players who have been so respectful and been respectful themselves on Twitter, on all of the social media channels. So I like that it is a coin flip. People are treating it as such. Shea has a lot going for him. He's leading the league in scoring. He's the best player on the best team. in the West. He is a sensational defender. And that team, you know, they look like a lot of trouble. On the other hand, Nicoliochich, he said the... He said the other day, he said, I'm playing the best I've ever played in my career. And for a guy who has won three MVP's, that is a statement. But he is correct. He is career

highs in scoring. Career highs in three-point percentage. Career highs in steals, which is already been a strength of his. And you have to look at the valuable and most valuable. And you can say Shea is incredibly valuable to the Thunder, which he is. And when he doesn't play, you can see that. However, the Thunder have a much more complete and talented and deep team around him. When Nicolai Yokich doesn't play, it's bad. 20-point difference when he's off the floor. If you compare that to Shea, it's about 15 points. That I think is the single best argument for Yokic, is that OKC is so good defensively, they can win games without him. Yes.

And, like, beat decent teams. Denver is unwatchable and awful when Yokin doesn't play. Well, look, Jamal Murray, as we all predicted, has his usual second half of the season rise, and he's been playing better. But Aaron Gordon's been out. I mean, Yokic is doing the most. The fact that he's not just averaging a triple double, but scored two triple doubles within one game, a week or so ago, I mean, that's incredible.

But again, I don't want to disrespect what Cheegildes Alexander has done because, man, he looks great out there. Yeah, Rachel Nichols, great seeing you. Great to see you too. As always. Live in Los Angeles, The Herd. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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Look at the Dodgers starting staff. Yamamoto, Suzuki, Sazaki, Snell, Glassstone was Tampa's best pitcher two years ago. Dustin May, O'Tonnie. and then if you know, spot starter, Kershaw, there's never been a starting staff that looked. You'd have to go back to the 1970 Baltimore Orioles. And forget the fact that Tommy Edmund, who's batting eighth in the lineup, ended up being like, didn't it was any MVP of one of the playoff series? You've never seen anything like this.

And the Yankees who got extinguished by the Dodgers in five games were only competitive when Garrett Cole was out there. then you felt the series was even. Outside of that, Dodgers were doing bullpen games in every series in the playoffs. So I just, I'm not some baseball guru, right? But that's staff. Guys were hurt. Glasno got hurt, and Dustin May wasn't healthy, and Otani didn't pitch. The idea that they went and got beyond this, the next phenom Japanese pitcher, and in spring, unhittable.

So it is, it's fascinating. I don't think they care a lot about what happens early. I mean, they've won the division so many times. But if they're healthy and ready to go, I mean, that was the big thing last year is, I don't know if they have the arms. And there were a lot of times you doubted. Do they have the arms?

And they still won the World Series in five games. J. Mack with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, Colin, let's start with, an unbelievable finish in the NBA last night. Tyrese Halliburton had the play of the night,

maybe the play of the calendar year. Three and a half seconds left in the game. Indiana out of bounds play. Halliburton drills the three from the corner. Andy's fouled. Pacers shocked the bucks. I mean, if you're watching, this was awesome. I mean, what a diagram of a play.

They ran a football play where they have three guys sprinting and Halliburton curled around. It was awesome. You know, we kind of liked a play. Pacers left. I love them coming into the season. What's going on? Took a little while to warm up for them.

They just didn't start out great, and they're starting to find their footing now. Okay. By the way, you had Hall of Burton as a first ballot hall of famer. Where's he at now? Still first ballot hall of me. Okay, all right. Last year you had him, you really went. He was like SGA last year.

He was. He was very, very good. And everybody likes him as a guy. Yeah. Like, he's a real personable guy. I'm a little nervous if the Knicks have to play the Pacers first time. Pacers are good and deep, man. I'm just telling you, they're good.

Nicks. Some of these teams are bizarrely deep. Like Oklahoma City and Boston are like crazy deep. Yeah. NBA, they've done a good job. The teams at the top building out their roster. All right, let's move now to the story that you're in love with, this Aaron Rogers situation.

So Pete Trager reported this morning that Rogers could take four weeks to decide where to land. The last time Rogers was available, He followed Brett Farr's footsteps from Green Bay to the Jets. Well, you know where Fav went after the Jets, the Vikings. We'll take a guess what Farrv is suggesting Rogers do next, Colin. Here he is. By all means, sign up. They got a really good football team.

They're loaded at pretty much every position. They made it to the playoffs last year. They got a tremendous fan base, much like the Packers. you know, if you get the opportunity, that's a good place to win. Does Farve have carpet in his house? Why is it echoing like that? Dude, let me give you a heads up on the whole podcast thing. Go in a room with carpet.

So, Colin, if people kill Kevin Durant for going to the 73 win warriors, who did not win the title, how can they not crush Aaron Rogers if he basically follows what Brett Farve did? Hey, you went from the Packer to the Jets and then to the Vikings. I'm going to do the same thing. Conlon, that's way worse than Kevin Durant. I'm sorry. That is so pathetic.

Is not going to the bike. No, I would say no way. I don't think Kevin O'Connell wants him. He won't say it publicly. At this point, you know, at the end of anybody's career, yours, mine, Aaron, anybody, a politician's career. There are things you know. Moody, kind of committed off-season, wants buddies on the team. Aaron comes with a little bit of Samsonite.

There's a little bit of, there's a little baggage with it. I think it's, I don't think I'm reaching on this. I think that's just understood. He's going to do, you know, he's going to do things his way. That's fine. But I don't think Kevin O'Connell, I think it's disruptive to some teams. If you're trying to build the culture, the Jets found this out last couple years. If you're trying to build a culture, this is why Aaron Glenn said, see ya.

You need your quarterback to be the most committed player, not much. mostly committed. Didn't he blow off, like, was it, OTAs? He didn't blow it off, but it just went to Egypt. It wasn't great. You could do that. If St. You know, if Mahomes said, hey, I'm going to miss OTAs.

Okay, Brady missed OTA. But when you're building a culture, like that's what the Jets have been doing for twoies. Building a culture. The quarterback has to be the most committed guy, not a mostly committed guy. It's not that hard. Okay.

Final story, Colin. interesting NBA story. So the Detroit Pistons are one of the best stories in the league right now. Cape Cunningham's on fire. Pistons are winning. I mean, they won 14 games last year. They're probably going to end up tripling that this year. They are tied with Milwaukee and Indiana for the fourth C and the East.

J.B. Bickerstaff is the coach. Shack would not know that if you listen to Shaquille O'Neal talk about basketball. J.B. Bickerstaff has completely turned this team around and is still toughness. Here he is after yesterday's win over the wizard. I mean, we just play with a physical force. and that's our intent. Our intent is to be as physical on the offensive end of the floor as we are on the defensive end of the floor and see how many teams can sustain it.

We want to put a ton of foul pressure on people. We want to put guys under duress, make people have to help and collapse in the paint. They don't help and collapse. We've got guys that are capable of making shots. So our goal is just try to punish people as best we possibly can and see what team makes the adjustment. I got to give you credit. You always complain about this show. that inside the NBA show, because they simultaneously rip the Lakers and the media for only talking about the Lakers,

then they don't know the coach for the pistol. So, I mean, in fairness, I got nothing against those guys. I've defended them. But if you're going to rip the media for only covering the big stories, then you should know the coach of like Cleveland and Detroit. Those are kind of basics? Well, especially when you only cover one league. We cover eight. But when you cover one league and you're banging on the media,

for only covering the big stories, then you should really be buttoned up on the non-traditional big stories. Oh, by the way, the NBA, the league pays these guys. They are a paid partner. It's like, hey, man, we're not asking too much. Watch our games.

Talk about our team. Well, they were employed by the TNT. Not, not the NBA wasn't... The TNT has a TV deal with the league. Well, the NFL is a TV deal with Fox. I'm not paid by the NFL. No, no, not at all. But I'm saying, like, they're league partners,

okay? Television partners with the NFL. We're league partners with the NFL. We bash up. all the time. We do, but that's different, though. We also talk about NBA, baseball. We don't just talk about football. You know, they only talk basketball in that show. Well, it's a good job. It is the highest rated show. By a lot. It's because they crap on everyone and just take shots at everything. Well, maybe that should be, maybe we should just do that.

We're not desperate. Pivot over to haterate all the time. I don't consume that. I'm a positive guy. No hater aid for me. Too much red 40 in there. Are you done? Yeah. Yeah, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

We're going to have Albert Breer last hour. There's stuff floating around. So tomorrow and Friday, I'm going to make my first division picks. Now, scoff as you may, last year at this time, I picked Washington to be a playoff team, and Denver to be the most improved team. So I feel really good about these picks. Now, you've got to have at least four new teams.

My favorite part of my first predictions for the NFL, I'm not doing Super Bowl bubble or picking a game, I'm picking the division winners and the playoff teams. My favorite part is, over the last 30 years, at least

four new teams will make the playoffs, and it usually goes up to about six. And so when you you eliminate four, five, or six playoff teams from last year, fans freak out. But it never repeats. Minimum four new playoff teams. So I have four right now, I think five by tomorrow. I'll be very excited. It's one of my, I'm telling you, very, and I count, so what do I count? So I count new coaching staffs, and then I wait for free agency to be over. So, those two things are over, now I've watched Vrable get hired and Vrable accumulate free agents.

So you've got trades, free agency, new coaches. Then I do a guess. Then I do it after the draft. It won't change a ton. But I mean, like, you know, there are teams that, you know, if you get one or two guys, it does, I think it can change a winner to. But historically, and I need to remind you of this, whoever wins the offseason usually does not translate to winning a superlap. Well, I don't think that's true. Now, the Eagles did get Sequin last year, but like Zach Bond, that was nobody batted an eye. Right. He was a special team. Yeah.

No, usually winning the offseason doesn't matter, although, you know, Brady to the box and Stafford to the Rams. Come on, those are quarterbacks. But for most of these picks, these free agent moves, it just doesn't matter that much. Now, the Patriots have like seven new starters. That could be significant. Yes. I think this free agent class for New England is probably, I think Vrabel's worth three-point. The free agent class is probably worth a point to a point in the half.

If they hit on Travis Hunter, is he worth half a point for this team? What's losing both coordinators in Detroit worth? Minus three wins? Four? I think, well, and I also think Chicago is going to be significantly better. Significant. Now, remember, you bought into all the smoke last year with Chicago. I did.

I did. Old Uncle Colin had him fourth. So I said they'll be more interesting, but I said they'd win. but I said they'd win seven to eight games. I wasn't wrong. I was just early. A year early. Okay, sure. Try having your stockbroker

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Luca to the Lakers, which is just crazy. So there was always the sense that the worst move in the history of sports is Babe Ruth going Red Sox to the Yankees. And there have been bad trades. But literally, you can argue the two trades that rival that have both happened in the last calendar year. I mean, Luca to the Lakers is insane. You get the younger, better player in the same conference, like stopping you from potentially getting to the finals.

It's one thing to trade him, but if you send him over to Washington, D.C., they're not getting past the Celtics. They're not getting past the Cavs or the Knicks for years. That's a different ball. It's not a good trade, but you're not going to be reminded of it. Like, I've always said this. It's one thing to have somebody in your family that you don't like. It's another thing if they move next door, they're doing great and you're not doing well, and they're reminding you every day where they got the Maserati parked in the driveway.

So if you're going to make a trade like this and you're the Red Sox, don't let him go to the Yankees. If you're the Mavericks, don't let him go to the rival of the Mavericks, which is everybody's rival in the West, the Lakers. And that's why the Giants thing was Sequin Barclay. And I guess, I mean, the idea, that is such a bad move that HBO won't even release the video of that Joe Shane. the guy behind me, the GM, and the Mara, John Mara moment in the office. They won't let the video out. The Giants are like, no, you're not. You're not letting the video out.

So this year, all the NFL teams, they declined to be on it. That's why they went to Belichick at Carolina. They're like, we're not going on that show. And, you know, there's been tipping points in the history of TV. There's the old Jump the Shark, which is a reference to like Happy Days. And I remember the episode, Fonzie's Water skiing or something or whatever it is. And there is the Tom Cruise on the couch with Oprah. He sort of jumped the shark, and Tom always had great energy, and it went like he went crazy.

And, you know, you don't know where these things come from. I actually think the tipping point with these access shows is that Joe Shane moment, where it's like, and I don't know who has control. Like once you let HBO film that, I'm not sure who controls it gets out, but it got out. and it what we talked by the way i'm not late on this we said it when we watched it oh that's that's the worst thing i've ever seen you know the media is mostly right on predicting the next superstar the media got it right on bryce harper when he was 16 the media got it right on tiger woods when he was 13 uh you know the media got it right on lebron james uh patent manning

the media is also right you think they're overreacting on the sayquan barclay move Or the Luca move. It's like, yeah, this is bad, and this is historic. But it is just crazy that you would let Sequin Barclay go to your rival. And by the way, the minute you let him go to your rival, you know Howie Roseman just loves rubbing your nose in it. Like, Howie Roseman is the most almost borderline. I know guys that know Howie and kind of like him. He's obnoxious.

like it's just brutal. So we can't, I wanted to, we were going to do a topic on this. We can't show you the video again. So we're going to reenact it. Sorry about radio, you're not going to see the masks. We're going to reenact this if you've never seen it, because I think it's the most important part of a reality show, access, piece of video ever.

So if you've not seen what happened, I will play John Mara, I own, I own, we're taking word for word how it happened, and J-MAC will be the young, handsome Joe Shane, and we're going exactly off script. Are you ready to go? Yeah, let's rock and roll. So, what's the latest on the Seekwon thing? All right, I just got a text that Chicago is driving the price up,

and Philly is out. I don't know if that's true or not, though. I'll make a couple calls. I don't even know if that's going to happen. I have a tough time sleeping if Seekwan goes to, Philadelphia, I'll tell you that. As I've told you, I've been around enough players. He's the most popular player we have by far.

All right, there you go. That was pretty impactful. So sorry if you didn't have the video. HBO would not allow us to use the video. It is incredible, though. And the Luca thing, I mean, Jeannie Bus is admitting yesterday. Yeah, I had no idea. It would be this big.

So it's, it's, I was told this, this is something that people in business talk about this all the time, is that once you, let's say, for instance, you've done well in your life. You and your family have done well in your life. A stockbroker, once you've done well in your life, should be like the great baseball player Stan Musial. Home run power, but man, you're going to lead the league in doubles every year. Just hit a bunch of doubles. with some home run power. And like a lot of times in pro sports, just don't make the big mistake,

hit doubles. Once you get the quarterback right, like I just hit doubles. Just keep the ball in the fairway. Don't double bogey it. Just keep it in the fairway. The Giants and HBO, you know,

they are protecting this video. like it's government documents. They don't want this thing out because, I mean, I don't root against people. If Joe Shane doesn't make it, that's why you kind of hope the Giants make it to me, so it saves the guy's job. I don't want to see people being unemployed for life. There is no GM school. If you butcher the first run at it, you don't get a second run most of the time.

Quarterbacks do, players do, coaches do. Coaches get three chances. GM butchers it and like something hangs, like Nico Harrison is not getting another GM job if he gets fired by the Mavericks. He's not getting another one. Joe Shane is not getting another one. I mean, Jeannie Bus has been in the Lakers ownership group forever. She can't even believe how big and impactful the Luca deal was. We were not looking to trade Anthony Davis. Dallas contacted us. It was a deal that both sides wanted to make. I didn't anticipate the global impact it would have. I mean, I knew it was going to be a big story in the NBA, but he really

is a global superstar. And I always said this about the Giants thing. The minute John Mara said, I'm going to have a tough time sleeping if Sequin goes to Philadelphia, I'll tell you that. Okay, the minute he said that, that would be my boss coming to me.

And there's a huge, it's a Monday after the NFL, and Fox has its greatest rating ever on a game. And my boss coming to me and saying, you know, I'm going to have a tough time you leading with hockey on Monday's opening segment. I'll tell you that. You know what you don't lead with? Hockey. Okay.

When your boss says, I'm going to have tough time sleeping, if that guy goes to Philly, you sign him. You just, you literally bring in the department, you bring in the accountant, and you're like, okay, we're going to sign him. I'm not letting him go. I'm signing him. So, I mean, that's just not, that is not reading the rules. room. The owner told you, because the camera was on and the owner knew it, so he's not going to drop an F-bomb. You know, he's not going to be incendiary. He's just going to, John Marr is smart enough to know the camera's on. I'm going to protect my butt. And he said, boy, I'm going to have a hard time.

If you don't, if he goes to Philadelphia, what he was telling you was, he better not go to Philadelphia. And here's Howie Roseman over in the corner if I had a Howie Roseman mask. That's what Howie Roseman's doing. You know he's going to rub your nose. That's how he does. So, all right. Two hours flown by. Albert Breer's going to stop by.

And, you know, the other thing, I'm on the Aaron Rogers thing and the Russell Wilson. So essentially, if you're the Steelers, would you wait for Aaron or just say, hell with it, I'm signing Russell? If you have the choice now, like... Well, it sounds like they don't want Russell Wilson, Colin. Obviously, or they'd sign him. So my take is, but would you want to wait for Aaron when you know he could sign somewhere else?

Where else? Giants? Well, what if Aaron and Russell both signed somewhere else? What do the Steelers do? You go for Kirk Cousins once the Falcons release him? You're not going to have a backup making like $35 million a year. All right. It's a tough spot. They're kind of at Aaron's discretion.

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