The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Mount Just-More

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Following Shohei Ohtani’s return to the pitching mound, Colin unveils his “Mount Just-More” listing all-time great athletes who are clearly above their contemporaries Caitlin Clark is already on her way to becoming one of the most recognizable athletes in the world    Guest: Nick WrightSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We said, if I said to you, you're not going to believe. believe what blank did in sports. The two people I would put in there are Caitlin Clark and Shohei Otani. Caitlin Clark had 38 seconds this weekend in the WNBA. It was the greatest, most exhilarating 38 seconds in WNBA history. She was shooting 33 footers. Bang, bang, bang, demanding the ball. It didn't look real. Okay. So Otani pitched last night against the Padres. By the way, he is now pitching and hitting. The Padres sent out there ace because he's pitching he came up to face the race no practice swings he threw over a hundred miles an hour um and dave roberts is to a point now where he is the dodgers manager but he

acknowledges it's hard not to just be a fan of show hey otani i thought the stuff was really good much better as far as the fastball velocity than i think anyone anticipated uh hit a hundred I was thinking 95 to 97, but I think that just a competitor adrenaline came out in him. To see him come into the dugout from the pen, all that stuff, I was kind of fanboying for like a half an inning. So even in high school baseball, kids become what they call POs, pitchers only. Like we know in baseball that how taxing just pitching is. I mean, you'll often hear this in the postseason. I don't know if we could throw Verlander on short rest.

You know what Rest Otani gets? Four and a half minutes in the dugout until he's hitting. I mean, it's insane that he is an ace in 2025 with how specialized pitching is. This is Derek Henry of the Ravens being the leading tackler for Baltimore at linebacker. Or Patrick Mahomes being the top edge rusher in the conference. I mean, it's just insane. He is the best player in Bay. The gap between Otani and the second best baseball player,

and that second best player, maybe Mookie Betts. And even he gets engulfed by the gravitas and the talent of Otani. And, you know, a lot of times you hear about the Mount Rushmore. I would, there are a handful of athletes. I would call them they make the Mount just more. they're just more than even the second best person in their sport Michael Phelps would be on my mount just more 10 more Olympic medals than anybody else

14 more gold medals than anybody else when I was a kid growing up it was like Mark Spitz I mean it's an afterthought and by the way if you're saying well how come there are so many faces. That's why it's called Mount Justmore. We even have Just More faces. Number two would be Usain Bolt.

Three straight Olympics, 100 and 200 meter champion, three consecutive Olympics. As an old man, he was the world's fastest guy in two events. I would say Wayne Gretzky, at 1.8 straight MVP's. Wayne Gretzky would be on the Mount Justmore. That's like when he's 23 years old. Also, he still holds 55 NHL records. Now, think about how fast hockey is,

how international it is, and how good the athletes are. He still shares or holds 55 career NHL records. Serena Williams, in the open era, 23 more major women singles titles than anybody else. And by the way, a dominant doubles player.

Singles doubles, dominant. Tiger Woods, highest career earnings, lowest career average, and literally change courses. I think it's fair to say he had changed equipment and changed courses. And I think then you have to go on my Mount Justmore. It's got to be Eltony. In a specialized world of sports, where in high school, if a guy is a great pitcher, that's just what he's going to do.

First player in, oh, by the way, he's not only a great hitter. He's not only an ace. He'll steal your 54 bases. And it's just insane. What Otani does. Last night, he's pitching, goes to the dugout, comes out, Padres throwing their ace. He doesn't even warm off. He just goes pitching, boom, gloves off, I'm going to go hit.

There's just nothing like it. I mean, even Dave Roberts. I'm going to fanboy a little bit. And with that, Nick Wright is joining us live, first things first. Oh, man. I kind of felt like that was an old. That was owed to Nick Wright. That was a Nick Wright segment. Well, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have had six people on a Mount Rushmore to start with.

You could have just, you could have just taken your middle four. Can I do my biannual? It's not anti-Michael Phelps, but it's anti-swem metal inflation rant, if I may. How come it's the craziest thing? The greatest Olympian ever was a swimmer, and now the greatest Olympian ever is a swimmer. You know why? Because they don't tell Usain Bolt, hey, buddy, you can win five gold medals in the 100. Run it backwards, run it forwards, hop, skip.

Like, it's such a farce, this idea that because, like, Simone Biles has a limited amount of medals she can win. Bolt has a limited number of medals. The swimmers, it's the same distance, four different. strokes so that's so i i'd clip him and on otani here is my only question for you colin because he hasn't pitched in a couple of years yeah until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher hasn't his place forget atop mount just more and history right now this moment he's not the best player in baseball erin judges right because judge has been demonstrably a better hit this year? Like, I mean, he just has been. If we want to hold the postseason stuff, that's fine.

Like, the whole idea of Otani is you're getting a pitching and a hitting or a plus and a minus whatever it is. I need him to start pitching again. I know he threw the inning last night, but before he gets elevated there, or, I mean, you're ready. I mean, I know you already, you coined better than Babe, which was great. But, you know, this year, I don't know that he's been better than bets because he's just playing the one position. So is that, is, is that not fair? Well, I mean, it's like, I mean, where I look at it was he was an ace and an all-star game. I don't need 20 years of being a dominant pitcher. If, if one year, if one year, Mahomes made the Pro Bowl as a corner cover, I'd be like, I don't need a second. That, that checks a box.

That's fair. That's fair. Well, then listen, you might need to edge out. Maybe you can. If you're leaving it at six, maybe you can get ready to remove Phelps for my guy, Travis Hunter, because my guy, Trevor Lawrence, about to help him be an all-pro receiver, and you just want to see moments of brilliance playing both ways. So maybe Travis can take that next spot. Yeah, hopefully he'd play a game before we annoyed him to that position. Okay. So.

Well, Otani pitched one inning last night, and you've got him as the best player in baseball again. again because he's previously been an ace at an All-Star game it's fair that's fair i suppose that's fair go ahead so jemak and i again as an elder statesman at this network i do believe that basketball is better today than ever but we have to acknowledge that that the michael jordan's bulls were also the best defensive team and katie and stepp's bulls were the best defensive team and bellichick beat the fastest show on turf and what we have is a history sabin's dynasty if you put a great offense and a great defense together, the defense almost always wins. In Indiana, hot knife through butter, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Knicks, they look disjointed, they look off. Now, some of it's

Halliburton, but I'm watching an Oklahoma City defense. This has got a Legion of Boomfield. They are, they can press you at half court, pressure on the perimeter, rim protection. I think we have to give them credit. This does look almost collegiate in effort and switchability. That 100% correct. And I came on with you a few weeks ago. And listen, I haven't gotten much right about these NBA playoffs, but my belief in Oklahoma City is maybe the one thing I have gotten right once the Lakers got eliminated. And what I said to you a couple weeks ago is they are unlike any team in the last 20 years

in their ability to go on these 12 to 2 or 14 to 2 runs that are based purely on steals. That it is not they hit a bunch of threes. It is not the offense gets hot. It's that they can have these game-changing runs based on their defense and their ability to throw waves of good defenders at you. I also think the Legion of Boom comp is apropos

because they also do something those guys did, which was, we are going to play with such a level of physicality from the opening whistle of the game that we are going to put the refs in an impossible position where you are either going to grind the game to a hole in the opening four minutes or we are going to set the precedent that Dort and Caruso when he comes in and Jalen Williams and Cason Wallace, all these guys, we are just going to bring back hand-checking, bring back body bumping, and we're going to rough you up somewhat like what the league of Boom secondary did with kind of illegal contact to where even if we get called it a few times

a game, it's worth it. So listen, defensively, they're great. Shea is having, from a scoring perspective, a really special not just postseason, not just season, but couple of seasons. Like, the list of guards to average more points in a season than Shea the last couple of years, is you can count on one hand. And then you add Jalen Williams, who became just, I think, the sixth guy ever to be the second best player on a team and drop 40 in a finals game.

It's a, you know, Scotty Pippin, his whole career in Chicago, Colin, never scored more than 32 in a finals game. Kobe scored 40 in a finals game once, and it was in 2009 when she was, Jack was gone. D. Wade never scored 40 as a second option in the finals. It's really special what Jalen Williams did yesterday, and it opens, makes their ceiling

even higher. So, yeah, I mean, I am wildly impressed by their defense. And Jalen Williams, who was fairly the object of a lot of scrutiny after last year's round two loss to Dallas when he didn't play well, and then midway through round two this year when it looked like they might lose to Denver, he was going to be object of scrutiny again. He had a four for 19, a five for 18, some rough games. Since game seven of round two, he's been excellent. And these last three games, he's been brilliant. And now they're going to win the championship. I got a lot of things I could ask you about right here. And I'm looking at them.

And some are interesting, some, some, some not. Okay, I'm going to throw this. We'll do the interesting ones. Let's just, you know what? Let's just do the interesting ones. Okay. So I was never a John Morant guy. and the maturity stuff, I wasn't too critical of him because, you know, in football, in baseball, you have to go through the minor leagues, you come in a little more mature. In football, you can't even get to the NFL. A lot of these kids are 1819. At 1819, I was pulling fire alarms in high school.

Like, we're all idiots, right? But I will say this. I've always had this theory, that if you're a small player, you've got to be able to shoot. I didn't buy John Wall, Derek Rose, John Morant, Stevie Francis. I bought Nash and Curry. Because without the hand check, if you can't shoot, you've got to score at the rim. And you're going up against Redwoods. You're going to get hurt.

And my take on John Morant, maturity aside, he can't shoot. And he's always hurt. And in the end, I love what Orlando did in the trade because I think now they look at Indiana and think we can do that. But I also like what Memphis is saying is, this isn't going to work. Look at the maturity and depth of OKC. look at these young teams coming is that J.A. Morant's a bit of a cautionary tale.

If you look at the Pacers in the in O'KC right now, it's college guys. Two and three years at college, Jalen Williams, it's maturity. There's no G-Legers. There's a couple one and duns. That J'A Morant is a prime example of, it does

college basketball matters. Maturity matters. In the NBA sometimes we kind of fall in love with highlights. And John Moran, the best in the league at that. But your take kind of on the jaw Morant in Memphis kind of saying he can't be a one. I think there's a lot here.

I think the only part you didn't mention is Orlando looking at the Orlando making this trade is a low key diss to the Pacers. Because what Orlando is basically saying is hell anybody can win the East. Look what's happening. Like why not us?

Like Pollo takes a leap. We just need some shooting. And I do like Bain's spit. And I, you know, in a weird way, I don't think Desmond Bain is on the magic if Jason Tatum doesn't tear his Achilles. Because I think that's what made the Eastern Conference feel like everything is available. So there's one take. On the Grizzlies, I totally agree.

And I think the Grizzlies are fearful because Jha is so wildly popular there. And they're like, well, you know, you don't want to trade him when his. stock is low. And my only response to that would be is unless there's real reason to believe it might go lower, because John now has, and you hit on it, everyone when they talk about Jha, I shouldn't say everyone, a lot of people when they talk about Jha act as if, well, if he matures off the court, and maybe he has, I don't really see a lot of evidence of it, but maybe he has, then he's back to being a superstar while leaving out the fact that he has not improved as a player over the last couple years, and he has become an incredibly high injury concern.

So they're afraid to trade him now because his stock is low. Well, he's one more missed 30-game stretch away from the stock being even lower. So I proposed this kind of jokingly a few months ago, but I'll throw it out there again. I think it works salary-wise. it certainly works creativity-wise, which is the three kind of immature, kind of mercurial, southeastern point guards all trade for each other. Lamello, Trey, Jha. We send Jada to Charlotte where there's less trouble to get in.

We send Lamello to Atlanta, and we send Trey to Memphis. And we're like, hey, all these guys are talented. All these guys are high draft picks. All these teams have kind of reached their ceiling or in Charlotte. Charlotte never had a ceiling. What if we shake the snow globe there? So that, so I, that I would like to see that. What Memphis probably should do is maybe start over. I have one extra bonus take on this, which is actually a Lakers take, which is if I am Rob Polinka, the first thing I'm doing in the morning is finding that leather jacket. The second thing I'm doing is saying, you know what, if Desmond Bain is worth four first round picks,

then is my path to getting the center we need actually a three-team trade involving Alex Caruso? Because if Bain's worth four first-round picks, Caruso's worth about that. And is there a team that would trade picks for Caruso and a team that has a center that would rather have picks than Caruso? Because if McHale Bridges is worth five and Bain is worth four, Reeves is at least worth three and a half.

So I wonder if that ends up being the lubrication. to the Lakers getting the center they need for Luca. Yeah, no, I, Austin Reeves has limitations to me. J. Mack loves him, but, you know, he loves the undrafted guys more than anybody I've ever met. I like him. I like him, but here's the, he became superfluous once you got Luca. Because he's not going to have the ball on his hands as much. And so, and you don't have a bunch of other assets with which to get. Like, here is a real question I would have, I were the Lakers.

If the draft is going on, and Malewatch, the center from Duke, is available at the eighth pick, the ninth pick, would somebody want Austin Reeves for that pick? Would we trade him straight up to get that center and pair him with Luca? I think there's real conversation there. Okay, one of two choices. Do you want to talk, KD, Caitlin Clark, or Shadour Sanders? You pick it. Three choices.

Caitlin Clark, and then if we have time, Kate, Katelyn Clark is this, Colin. You've got a question or go? No, no, go ahead. It's a floor. So here's the question I have. Because you and I keep kind of upping the ante on where we think her star is going. And I've decided that it can't be uptight enough.

So here's the question I have as crazy as this sounds. Once Steph and LeBron retire, will the question? Will there be an active American athlete that's not a quarterback that's more famous than her? No. I think she will be more famous than every baseball player she might already be. In this country, every hockey player, all of the U.S. men's national team, and every football player that isn't really Patrick Mahomes and made. maybe Lamar, Josh, like there's only a few.

And I think she's already more famous than every NBA player but Katie, Stefan LeBron. And I don't see any of those guys catching her. I think she is a supernova of fame and talent. Yeah, I said this. And it's not anti-Bioncé to say that Taylor Swift's tour changed the economy. It is not anti-Angel Reese of the WNBA to acknowledge she's the tiger 20 years ago on the tour. Like the ratings disappear. It's nothing against the WMBA.

She literally is changing the entire league economy. Well, that part's true. But listen, I've got to protect us both here. It might be accidentally anti-Biontie to compare her to Angel Reese, however. Beyonce might not be Taylor Swift, but she's not, I mean, like, like, let's be, let's be careful with that. But I understand. You don't have, listen, you don't have to blow out one.

candle make the other one grow brighter. But we are swimming in different pools when we're talking about Angel who, by the way, shout out Angel who got a triple double and played really well the other night. And if she can at any point, you know, just be a more competent around the rim, she will be a multi-time, multi-year all-star because she's good defender and good rebounder. Then during that, and Caitlin Clark, fresh off and end up and end. injury, playing a team that some people were like, are they going to go undefeated and dropping 32, 8, and 9 in a 40-minute basketball game and blowing them out? Like, the fever could win the championship this year. They're not the favorites. Minnesota's better, and the fever are better,

but they just crushed the fever. I'm sorry, crushed the liberty, I said it wrong. Minnesota and New York are better than them. But they're right there, and she is only getting better. It's really spectacular watch. Yeah. Angel Reese is actually a really good player. And that wasn't the comp with Beyonce, but what I'm saying is, as you said with Candles, is the WNBA, I just don't want to be marginalized. Like, I'm not criticizing the WNBA.

She is the moment. She's not part of it. She's the moment. And that's okay. The Tiger Comp is the right comp. And it removes a lot of the, I think there is, understandably, a real protectionist nature amongst the WMBA because for a long time it had fought for survival obviously because it's a women's league versus a men's league

there's also a lot of race and gender and sexuality stuff tied up in the WMBA and its fan base that I think is actually really productive for American sports but it also creates an understandably almost protective fan base like hold on a minute And so because of that, there has been, understandable or not, a pushback to this supernova celebrity falling and parachuting into the sport. And so, like, the WMBA demographics and who watches and who goes to the games are almost

diametrically opposed to the PGA tour 30 years ago. And then Tiger came in, and there was still a similar protectionism, but for very different reasons. But the reality is this person is going to change the face of your sport, the economics of your sport, and the accessibility of your sports to shows like this. And that ultimately helps everyone. And it really helps everyone if the players themselves don't read their mentions as much. Because I understand with popularity comes toxicity and a lot of people that weren't previously invited to the party or maybe don't want to be at the party. They just want to crash it, but those people only live in your phone. They don't live in real life usually.

And so ultimately, it's great for the league, and she had a hell of a return from an injury. And this all started with Mount Justmore. I mean, just think this great segment started with Mount Just More. Yeah. It just shows you, kids, no matter how poorly something starts, it can finish brilliantly. I mean, it really does. See you, buddy. See you, buddy, Nick. Yeah, I mean, I just, it's not a, I also think that baseball had this for years. Baseball is getting a lot of attention now. The sports ratings, attendance is up, and judges, Otani, and there's just a lot of great things about baseball right now.

But if somebody feels ignored, they tend to have a chip on their shoulder if you suddenly start paying attention to them. And baseball had this with Bryce Harper, is they didn't really have a domestic player we loved and galvanize the fans. And then Bryce Harper showed up with the hair and the flare, and he got crap in his own dugout. Because, hey, man, you've been in Nore and it's forever. This hot shot and baseball got really tribal and parochial and protective. And I think that's the WNBA. They've always felt like, hey, we're getting better here, and none of you media people ever pay attention to us. And then somebody parachutes in, and it's like, no, we don't want your attention.

Yeah, you do. Baseball, yeah, you do. Isn't it a lot more fun being baseball now? And all we talk about is more baseball, more fun to watch, more dynamic, more interesting, and more shows talk about it. And isn't the WNBA better now that it makes all these talk shows all the time? And so, but I understand it. We all want attention.

We all want validation. And baseball went through a stretch where it was like slow. Any time I talk about baseball or anybody that it was negative or it was ignored. And the WNBA didn't make a profit. it didn't have like their tiger. But when you get it, you know, you can be a little protective, but you got to get over yourself because Caitlin is really good for that league. It's the herd.

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J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sir Cowherd, we must revisit game five in the NBA finals last night. Pacers lost back-to-back games for the first time since March and Tyrese Halliburton seemed to have tweaked a calf here driving to the bucket. You can see him grimaces his right calf kind of tightens up.

It's a scary moment because, Colin, the last time there was a significant calf injury in the finals, it was Kevin Durant. Nevertheless, here is Halliburton talking about the injury. He's NBA Finals. It's the finals, man. I've worked my whole life to be here, and I want to be out there to compete. You know, help my teammates any way I can. You know, I was not great tonight by any means, but, you know, it's not really a thought of mine to not play here.

You know, if I can, you know, walk, then I want to play. What's the line on game six and indie? I'm sorry, I'm not doing my job. I'm so depressed that the Pacers are done. I did not look it up. I would guess probably six-ish, because this is a Pacer's team that kind of didn't show up last, other than T.J. McConnell, who played well, Colin. Yeah, Turner didn't, Halliburton didn't. Sayakum was pretty good.

Nemhardt had his worst game by a mile. Well, I mean, that's what great defenses do. They turn you inside out. And, I mean, I thought Pascal Seaccom played well. I thought McConnell was great. Yeah, I mean, it was a tough outing. As bad as the Pacers played, they were within two with about nine minutes left, which I did not expect, because they were down 15, close to 20 at some points there in the second quarter. Without Halliburton, yeah.

Yeah, and Halliburton did nothing. So there's a world where the Pacers win, but selfishly, I am officially rooting Thunder in game six. My men's league team needs a guy who's covering the finals. We need him this weekend, and he's out if there's a game seven. Priorities, selfish, yes, yes. Go OKC. Next story, Colin, let's go to Caitlin Clark and that amazing game she had Saturday. Colin, they just announced the WNBA ratings for the game.

2.2 million viewers on ABC, making it the third most watched WNBA game ever, ever on the network. Not this season, not this decade ever on ABC. And we know ratings were down significantly without Clark. It just goes to show, hey, you put an undefeated team against. the best, most exciting player in the league, and this is what you get. Well, also, there were protests all over America this weekend, so there were tens of millions of people all over the country. So, I mean, it was just, it was also went up against the U.S. Open,

which wasn't very stirring, but nonetheless. So I don't know, I just, I'm, I'm no longer surprised. I, what really struck me is how aggressive Caitlin Clark was. Like, she was demanding the ball, and I don't, I don't see her. is, I mean, she's a flashy player. When you shoot from that distance, it's flashy. But she was like hyper-aggressive and let, I mean, it was really something to behold. Yeah.

By the way, fever play today, 7 o'clock Eastern, 4 Pacific against the Connecticut. The Connecticut team. Indiana is an 18-point favorite, Colin. 18 in her WNBA game. I'm not laying the lumber there, but Caitlin Clark pretty much could pick her number tonight and just go off against Kemp. Connecticut. I'll be checking it out. It's on NBA TV 4 p.m. Pacific. Final story, Colin, let's go to the Kansas City Chiefs. Man, do you remember the Super Bowl? They got their

butts kicked. Well, Rishie Rice, who missed the Super Bowl, he had the season-ending knee injury in week four. He is healthy and back in action and says not only will the offense be explosive this year, but it's going to be a quote-unquote show. You see Rishie Ryshe Rice here doing some ladder work. Looks like you working out at the gym. I don't know that I buy this offense totally bouncing back just because Rishi Rice is there. I mean, Travis Kelsey's old. Isaiah Pacheco, not what he was a couple years ago.

It's not that I'm anti-Chiefs, but I think the Raiders, the Broncos, and the Chargers will all be significantly better. Jim Harbaugh, year two, everywhere he's gone in his career, year two feels like, oh, that's a Harbaugh team. Year one is build a culture. By year two, the roster, the two running backs, Joe Alt now in year two. It's like, oh, that's a Harbaugh team. If you just, if you showed me the draft the last two years, it's never been receiver built. It's tackles, it's pass rush, it's run game. So I just think the division is much better.

Undeniable. I will add for the Chiefs fans who are upset that we keep calling for their demise, let's just remind people. Tom Brady won a decade between Super Bowl wins, okay? There's no guarantees just because you have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. And you look at the schedule, we've talked about it at nauseam. It is not easy with the travel opening the season outside of this continent. A lot of primetime games.

Colin, they got to go to Buffalo again. I said miss the playoffs. I'm sticking by it. I know it's June. You think that's hot take happy hour, but you look at that left tackle situation. I don't think it's improved getting a backup from San Francisco to protect Patrick Mahomes. I just don't. Listen, there's always one team in the league that surprises us.

So we know, so look at their schedule again. So we know the Chargers will be good. We know the Eagles will be good. And then they play the Ravens and the Lions and Washington and Buffalo and Denver. So there's a lot of tough games. If let's just say the surprise team in the league, I mean, you look at the second half, they're facing Houston. They're facing 10.

Let's just say the surprise team in the league is Tennessee. And I think both, no, just look at their schedule. Look at how that schedule ends. You think the beginning of it is tough with the lions and the Eagles and the Ravens and the Chargers and the Bills in Washington. I would argue the beginning's tough, the middle is tough. And if Tennessee, and I think both you and I think that will be the, the most improved team in the league.

They will end the season with Houston, Chargers, Tennessee, and Denver. That schedule has no break. I mean, the beginning, middle, and end has landmines everywhere with that Kansas City schedule. And what did they go? 11 and 0 in one score games last year? Might have been 12 years. That's not happening. Bottom line, even if you regress to 6 and 5, which is still winning, and again,

6 and 5 is good in 1 score games, you're now looking at like an 8 or 9 win team. Yeah, I know you and I agree on this is that that is a sneaky tough schedule. If just Tennessee is, and we've done a pretty good job on the show, predicting what's the team that's going to be much better the next year? I think it's Tennessee. I think we both agree. If they're good, tell me the break in this schedule. Well, the New York Giants. That's it.

That is it. And maybe Dallas at home. And no other breaks on that schedule. Because the Raider games will be competitive because they're rivalry games. Pete Carroll, Gino Smith. Those games will be competitive games. I'm just going to put this out there. That Jacksonville offense, I've been reading, doing some offseason homework.

The Jacksonville offense, just look out. They got two really good receivers, healthy Trevor Lawrence, and a sharp offensive coach. Just file it away, folks. The Jacksonville offense is going to be top five in the league this year. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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There was a story about, you know, somebody asked Deck Prescott about his legacy. And, you know, there's certain quarterbacks where you say their name, Brady, Goat, um, Lamar Jackson, Electric, Josh Allen, Power. powerful, Drew Brees, accuracy, John Elway, legendary, Mahomes, gifted. And Dack doesn't really have a trait that's memorable or wow. I think he's a great leader. I think of him more as the Walter Payton trophy, the Lombardi Trophy. And that's fine.

I mean, he's 2 and 5 all time in the playoffs. Hasn't been very good. 0 and 3 in the divisional round, kind of limited. But I was thinking about this as he was talking about his legacy. And let's play the bite of Dack talking about what will his. legacy B? I want to win a championship. The legacy, the things, whatever comes after

I've finished playing, will take care of itself. I want to win a championship. Be damned if it's just for my legacy or it's for this team, for my personal being, for my sanity. That's a sished. Yeah, the legacy will take care

of itself. I'll have to stay with my feet off. Now, I do think when Dak entered the league, Dallas was a great place for a quarterback to land. They had the dominating number 1-0 line and the best running back. They drafted him. And Jason Garrett was a mature, consistent coach.

And the division was kind of a mess. Philadelphia wasn't this good. The Giants weren't great. And Washington was still owned by Dan Snyder. So the division. And I thought DAC benefited greatly. we wouldn't have been talking about DAC, a fourth round quarterback out of Mississippi State,

had he gone to Houston or Jacksonville or, you know, other organizations. We just wouldn't have. He has benefited greatly early in his career. But I think now he's actually the only thing holding Dallas together. I think the coaching staffs arguably going to be the worst in the league. They've gotten increasingly weird and poor at drafting. You cross your fingers on Giovante Williams

the number two running back be in the bell cow because they have a bad running back room. The offensive line is in rebuild and feels kind of makeshift. And again, they're not, they don't have any money in free agency. They're top heavy and they're not drafting particularly well. I'm trying to think of a quarterback that entered, because we know where you land matters. I'm trying to think of a quarterback who entered the league and it felt like a pretty darn shrewd, well-run organization. They haven't won Super Bowls.

They crushed drafting offensive line. Zeke was a gamble, but a huge hit. Their coaching was not considered elite or awful. And now look at them. I mean, what are they great at? Nothing.

Draft and development, free agency. Dact is holding it together. And I think a lot of that is, now, do I think he has benefited? Yeah, if you want to play blind resume on DAC. I mean, just to show you how often we have talked about DAC, he has made tens of millions of dollars in advertising that he would not have made at other places.

But if you do blind resume on Dak Prescott, I could put up quarterbacks who have had significantly more fruitful careers, but we never talk about him. But right now, DAC went from benefiting great. from the Cowboys to holding a mess of a franchise together. And he deserves credit for that. And they're also, they've been talking about, like a prime example of where the Cowboys are at is there to go make a move for George Pickens because they didn't have a second skill player that they could trust after Ced Lamp.

And Pickens is great, but he comes with all sorts of baggage. I mean, Mike Tomlin's one of the more patient coaches in the NFL. He moved off George Pickens. he was the one that initiated the trade. Mike Tomlin, according to reports, we can't have him. So that's where we are with Dak Prescott and his legacy. J. Mack, Jim Harbaugh's coming up next hour.

And I love Jim Harbaugh. What do you think he's going to say when you tell him that we think the Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs? Not just me. You agree, right? No, I have the Chiefs as a wildcard team. I thought when I watched the Chargers last year, I felt like I watched, when I watched Michigan the first year, or the Niners the first year when he took over, or Stanford. He changed the culture, but it was a limited roster. I don't look at the Chargers now as having a limitation.

They're good enough everywhere to win a Super Bowl. I didn't feel that last year. Quentin Johnson, you didn't know if he was a bust, that you really couldn't trust. them. If they trailed in a game, you felt like the wheels could come off. It was like Ladd-McConkey and cross your fingers if the rest of the guys are healthy or productive. And I'm not saying you need a great receiving quarter to win a Super Bowl. Mahomes won two without one. But I kind of felt like outside of rookie Ladd-McConkey, you were drawing straws at wide receiver. I don't feel that way this year. Well, the other thing with Herbert, you don't worry about a warm-weather

West Coast team going into a Buffalo, a Cincinnati in January. The way you do it toua and Miami, if two and Miami have to go in a cold weather territory in January, it's over, no chance. But I don't think, I don't have any of those concerns with Herbert. I think he can go anywhere and win in January, even though he hasn't yet. I think between Naji Harris, the offensive line and Hampton, I think it's a real run game. And I think from the very beginning, Harbaugh has been honest about it. I don't want Justin Herbert throwing 45 times a game.

that's that's even Andrew luck in college they weren't an aerial circus at Stanford they ran the ball they were double tight end full back in the program that harbaugh's never been built around perimeter receivers or a fast-paced offense it's culture physicality run games controlling the clock so he is around the corner it is a tuesday NBA finals looks like it's kind of over okay see favored next game by five by the way hey guys it's us and the Jonas brothers I'm Joe I'm Kevin and I'm Nick And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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