The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NBA expectations

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

Colin talks to basketball insider Jeff Goodman to get insight on Ace Bailey’s story and the expectations for #1 overall pick Cooper FlaggSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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iHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It is hour two. All fired up on a Friday, one hour down. Jeff Goodman, by the way, college basketball guy, is going to join us this hour on that Ace Bailey story, which is a bummer. Because reportedly he's not a bad kid, but that situation in Utah, he's the one kid didn't show up for workouts. Apparently his agent, who's not certified by the NBA. Players Association is giving a bad advice.

So that thing has gone sideways fast. I was talking to a friend yesterday. I love the NFL draft. I watched the whole thing. I would say a six-rounder in the NFL draft is comparable to a second rounder in the NBA draft. I was talking to the staff this morning. I don't want to call the player out.

But it was one of the first players taken at the top of the second round in the NBA draft. It was a player taken in the top of the second round. I don't want to pick on him. He's a young kid. But literally the scouting report was he gets lost. He doesn't.

He doesn't. No, I mean, this is what the scouts said. They're like, he doesn't, he can't kind of keep up. And I'm thinking, well, the NBA is twice as fast as college basketball. Like the NBA is warp speed. And at the college level, this is the first player taken in the second round. they were like, he's a deep rotational player. The NBA game's going to be too fast for him.

He gets lost defensively. And it's like, so that's why with the NBA draft, I think we have to be very careful. Yokic was a second rounder. That is unheard of. It's by the way, I had a GM tell me this. He has since passed, but told me this 20 years ago. He's out after the 14th pick, it's coin flipping. You really, they're 18-year-old kids.

You can say that, but they're outliers. Draymond and Yoke. The basketball pool globally is much deeper now than it was 20 years ago. The sixth round versus second round is interesting. So NFL rosters are over 50 guys. NBA is barely not even 15 guys. So it's like it's so difficult to make a roster in the NBA. Well, but remember this.

Half of the NFL is undrafted. Yeah, that too. So you say there's not that big of a pool, it's a global pool. Well, the truth of the matter is, look at, look at, Look at every college football player eligible for the NFL draft. It's a FCS, 130, and you have so many guys in a roster. Yeah. So there are different drafts.

You plug immediate holes in the NFL draft, immediate. In the NBA, you maybe get three players a draft, maybe that can plug an immediate hole. Like the Mavericks need more playmaking. Boom. The Sixers could use a disruptive defensive guard. from Baylor, boom. But I think even a Dylan Harper, the number two pick Ron Harper's kid, it's going to take him an entire season to figure out where he is fitting in offensively to the spurs. But at the same time, like NBA players are playing much longer. There's a report we'll

talk about in a herd line here. Seth Curry's, he ain't going anywhere. Like guys are playing 15, 20 years in the NBA. NFL, you know, you hit 30 years old. And as a wide receiver, you're kind of sort of washed. You know, the window's much smaller. Plus, you have to play three years in college. So it's a decent comparison. Second round versus. I don't hate it. Um, so, and by the way, you have had one or two all-time great players in the second round in the NBA. You have also had some incredible players like Tom Brady in the sixth round of the NFL. There are Hall of Famers in the sixth round and the second of the NBA. But it is a lot of, in the NFL, it is just, It is special teams, guys, and rotational guys in the sixth round, if they make it.

And in the second round of the NBA, there's a lot of guys, like you said, players are playing longer. There are a lot of guys just not going to make it. They're going to go play, and they'll be in Europe in three years. They just won't stick around. So I saw this story. S.I.com. This is the story. The Niners gave Brock Purdy the richest contract in franchise history, which means Kyle Shanahan probably will be on the hot seat if the Niners missed.

the playoffs. Okay. Andy Reid and Belichick got fired so anybody can get fired. But Annie Reid was out of work for about 45 minutes before the phone rang. In life, in business, in sports, you have to identify your weakness. Like, it's not just about bringing other people in. What don't we do well? Kyle Shanahan and the Niners are not drafting well and so on John Lynch.

But I will say this is a problem in the NFL. because Jimmy Johnson was the very rare head coach, and Sean Payton falls into this. They're great with personnel. So when they get, I said this year's draft by Denver felt like Sean Peyton had a hand in it. I don't always love that. But Jimmy Johnson, he was great at personnel. Came from college, knew it. Jim Harbaugh knows personnel.

Kyle Shanahan's dad was an NFL guy. Kyle Shanahan's really an NFL guy. I think he's got too much say in personnel. I think, and I'll tell you, it's one of those things where coaches want power, Belichick, Pete Carroll, and Kyle Shanahan have power. But sometimes you don't have culpability because you have so much say in the draft.

John Snyder is one of the smartest personnel guys in the league that Seahawks GM. he almost left because Pete Carroll after Paul Allen's death had way too much power and the Seahawks were missing on a lot of first and second round guys. John Snyder got the power back and Seattle's had, in my opinion, three very good drafts. I thought they had the best draft this year in the NFL. So it's hard enough to be a coach, to be a coach in a GM. Go look at Belichick.

I've been on this. You know this. Belichick's last seven drafts, he controlled him. They're awful. They're awful. and I don't like the Niners' drafts. I liked the first couple Niners' drafts. Kyle didn't have the power.

Then he started showing up to Super Bowls and multiple NFC championships. Then Kyle got more power. And I think they have reached on players overdrafted wide receiver, which you can get second, third, fourth, fifth round, third round on, plenty of guys. So I think what Kyle's going through, because I think he's a great coach, He's not a perfect coach. PFF had him a seventh last year. He's not a perfect coach.

McVeigh, Andy Reid, about as close to perfect as you can get. Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, really, really good. But I think Shanahan's issue, he now has, remember, coaches are making $15 million a year, GMs are making $5, if that. So the owner knows where he's paying the big money, and the guy who's making the most money. I mean, Sean McVeigh, thank God he and Les Sneed get along. making a lot more than less need. He's got the ultimate power in that building. McVey is good

with personnel, but he's also not power hungry. So I think Shanahan's going through a little of what Pete Carroll did at the end of Seattle and what Belichick went through the last several years in New England. He's got so much power and so much respect. He's making, they are, he should have less say in personnel. Because I do not like at all. I think San Francisco is starting to feel like Belichick's last several drafts, they are reaching for guys. I mean, they took a kicker in the third round. Like, what are you doing? And it hasn't been great.

Julian Edelman. And again, you know, there's just Kyle Shanahan worship in the league. Here's Julian Edelman earlier this week on Shanahan. He's a great coach, but, you know, he's a coach that likes to play from ahead. Whenever he plays from behind is he's not really, you know, he stays to the play. He stays as a play sheet. So, like, if we take a look at the 49ers, you know, when they don't have a lead, the stats are terrible. When they play from ahead, they play the game the way they want to play when their team is constructed to play that way, they're a really great football team.

Now, they usually do get a lead. And this is why he's a great, much like Andy Reid in Philadelphia that was getting to a Super Bowl and getting to NFC championships with kind of B&C quarterbacks, Kyle Shanahan, since he's been in San Francisco, has the third-rated offense, and he's done it with, I mean, let's be fair here. Brock Purdy, Jimmy Garoppolo, Trey Lance, Nick Mullins, C.J. Bethard. So, to me, he's got kind of the Andy Reed thing. Andy Reid got to a Super Bowl in Philly did not win. Kyle's getting to Super Bowls, not winning, but consistently they feel like they're a conference championship-level team. And it's much easier to do with Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes than it is.

with the Niners' quarterbacks. So I think San Francisco's issue is Kyle's got a little bit too much say in personnel. I don't mind Sean Payton having some, because I think he and Jimmy Johnson are about as good as it gets, Jim Harbaugh, too, being NFL guys with a real understanding of college personnel. It is rare.

Andy Reid doesn't, and Andy Reid knows it. So Andy Reid lets Brett Beach control. Andy's a pro guy. Andy hasn't been in college. He's a pro guy, and he knows it. He's not arrogant. He lets Brett Veach do it. But the more power these coaches get, they start leaning on the GM.

Let GM's GM. Let John Snyder and Jason Light and Tampa and Chris Spouthert. Let him GM. It's hard enough to be a great coach to do. Mike Holmgren was in Seattle. Mike Holmgren's brilliant guy. Great all-time coach. there was a time in Seattle.

I think he had a little too much say in personnel, and Seattle had a couple of weak drafts, and it was like, oh, coach has too much say. Just a thought. All right, the Ace Bailey story is sad, where the adults, the agent's not helping. Talk about that next with Jeff Goodman, the herd. One more herd?

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the NBA, but NBA was in pretty harsh circumstances. It's very rare when the two best players and the two faces of a sport are in the two, I would argue, most iconic franchises. Yankees are clearly the most iconic franchise. I think globally, the Dodgers have become number two. And I always said this about the Red Sox, even when it was at the other place and was right next door. The Red Sox are Dunkin' Donuts. The further you get away from New England, England, the less you drink it, whereas the Yankees are Starbucks. Beijing, Boise, it's big everywhere, right? So the Yankees are number one.

I think the Dodgers have become the Cubs are like a smaller version of the Dodgers where, but a lot of their reputation is built on losing and Wrigley Field. I think the Dodgers now are the number two brand in baseball. I think that is the power of Shohei Otani and his connection to the Pacific Rim. But, I mean, the Yankees and Dodgers played last year with Aaron Judge. and Otani. The World Series ratings were up 67%. That is insane for a number. So it doesn't happen. It's very much what's happening in baseball. Have I or have I not talk more baseball in the last two years? How do you not? It's their bird magic moment. And they're just incredible guys. Sports fans are lucky.

I mean, what have we got jerks as our best fight? Oh, Tani is about the most gracious guy in the world. throw a baseball, hit him in the back at 100 miles an hour, and he's like, it's all good, I'm good. And Aaron Judge, again, wonderful family, wonderful kid, incredibly humble and gracious, but you just do not see it in sports very often. What are the two biggest NFL franchise? Dallas Cowboys, Packers, is Packers arguably two? Was there ever a time that the two biggest stars in the NFL were Cowboys?

Who was a Packer quarterback? when Aikman was there. And who was the quarterback when Farr was there? It doesn't happen very often. It was Tony Romo, I think, you know, it was a bunch of different guys. But it just, it doesn't happen that the Packers and the Cowboys would have the two biggest stars in the NFL. Now, the NFL is like their best players are all in small markets right now,

which is extraordinary. But do we find one? Otani and Judge, it's burden magic, Celtics Lakers. and off the top of my head the NFL also doesn't need that it doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and Kansas City and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL

nobody cares but there's a reason we talk more baseball in this show and it's Otani and Judge are a big part of it J-Mack with the news turn on the news this is the third line news what is the second big I mean I don't think the Cowboys are America's team I think it's Kansas City

has surpassed them although network network executives. But I'm saying, so if it's Dallas is still won to network executives, I think Kansas City is number two. Right? Kansas City is number two? Yeah.

I mean, I guess for now, you know, Mahomes, Kelsey, Taylor Swift, sure, and they're winning, but if they miss the playoffs or they can't possibly be America's team. Dallas can miss the playoffs

and still be America's team. I think, yeah, yeah. You know a team that's underrated? I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen, like the Cubs, they don't lose as much as the Cubs, but they got that Cubs quality. We all really want to see these legendary losers.

Now, the losing for the Cubs was just all the time. The losing for Buffalo has often been in Super Bowls and Conference Championship. I think if Buffalo got to the Super Bowl, I think it would smash if they played a, you know, a decent brand. No, I said this last year. Buffalo and the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl obliterates because the storyline would be, you'd get so many casuals to watch,

the Bills in the Lions Super Bowl would smash every Super Bowl TV record of all time. What about Jets 49ers? That probably would do even bigger. Because the Jets are the biggest losers, the last 15 years. Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody likes the Jets. They've lost because of themselves.

That's not nice. All right, let's go to the, that's really mean. All right, let's go to the herd line news and start with Steph Curry, my guy, entering his 17th season. He just turned 37 in March. Colin, interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph could play well into his 40s before hanging him up. We're not talking six or eight years, but he has many several years left. Now, this is interesting.

Remember, Isaiah Thomas, like, popped his Achilles and was done in the end. NBA at like 32 years old. Larry Byrd's back broke down. He retired early. Magic Johnson, HIV. The biggest stars in the league historically have left early. Now we're seeing LeBron into his 40s and hearing Steph Curry could play into his 40s. This is great for basketball. Well, yeah, and he's also a shooter. Like hyper-athletic guys age fast. Cam Newton age really fast. You know, who didn't? Tom Brady. So it depends on what your game is. Remember Jose Reyes played the Mets and he was like a super fast base stealing guy. I always remember that.

It was like, oh, everybody was like, he's amazing. Like three years later, you're like not the same player. Because athleticism was the key. And so, I mean, look at Tiger Woods. Power, torque. Unbelievable. Really quickly it felt like, man, three-year period, he is aging. So I think the more power, the more torque, the more physicality to any sport,

you age faster. So I think Curry is more of a finesse player and a shooter. But then LeBron, like, what's the argument against him? I mean, he's powerful. For the record, let me just say this about LeBron. About 10 years ago, he started spending a lot of his time on the perimeter. The LeBron James has never been a great rebounder. He doesn't want any part of that.

That's not what LeBron gets out in transition. He doesn't. LeBron doesn't want to defend the rim. LeBron doesn't want to get bullied inside. LeBron has lived at the hash mark going forward. He wants the ball. and he wants to get in transition. So LeBron smartly moved to the perimeter

and got out of the redwood trees years ago. Sounds like my game, Colin. Let's stick in the NBA. Big news out of Toronto, where the Raptors have parted ways with team president, Maasai Ujiri, after 13 seasons with the team, brought them their lone title.

This guy is beloved in media circles. Colin, you could read any article from NBA people, listen to a podcast. Nobody says a negative word this guy they all love him which probably means he's a source to a lot of them that being said he did make the gamble bring on kawai leonard and brought toronto a title but it is interesting that they fire him after the draft that's what you should do don't screw the draft up remember the raiders a couple years ago didn't they fire somebody before a draft or somebody

did that in sports and we were all like what what and then you're bringing new people before the draft and you're not organized like yeah okay so if you were drafted by the raptors Wait a minute. The guy that just drafted me got fired? That ain't great. No. You complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously a very competent human being. You may want to move off somebody, but I want to do it at the least disruptive period. What is the least disruptive period in the NBA, the day after the draft?

Well, now you got a week before free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they were swinging for the fences here with KD, with Janus, struck out on both of them and said you can't deliver us for anymore and I think they got rid of them. Now Zach here, a producer, is a big Lakers guy and he's saying, why wouldn't the Lakers go after a Messiah's Jury

who's done some really good things in Toronto Kyle Lowry, DeRosen, all that stuff? I'm not going to blame that GM for not landing players in Toronto. How many NBA guys, Steve Nash didn't want to go play in Canada. Like Canada's not where NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour

and it disbanded. So I'm not blaming the GM because a bunch of guys don't want to play. I mean, if you're Janice, I'm already in cold weather. I want to go colder? What's the point? The taxes, the weather, it's a winter league, so I'm not going to blame a GM because you can't land free agents in Toronto. You think the Lakers should make a play for him? Or, I mean, listen, Palinka is a divisive figure in the Laker kingdom out here, okay? People love him or hate him. He just delivered Lucas, so I don't think you can fire him now, but could you maybe give him a different title and bring in Messiah's Jiri? All I know is Mark Walter.

the first big move he made by the Dodgers was go-getting Tampa's Friedman, the GM of the Tampa raised. Considered like the young Mark Shapiro, like the brilliant guy, they went and got him. You know, if you go look at owners who are aggressive, the first thing they do is get the GM right.

The GM eventually hires the coach. Yeah. Final story, Colin, is on to the NFL where a couple of head coaches are on the hot seat heading into week one. According to CBS, these are the top five coaches on the hottest seats at five. Sean McDermott of Buffalo, maybe. Shane Steichen's at four.

I don't know about that. Zach Taylor, three, he should be one. Mike McDaniel, two, Brian Daibel, number one, the hottest seat. Why is Shane Steichen? I mean, I don't know. I think a lot of people are tying him to Anthony Richardson, but I don't think. Richardson keeps getting hurt. Is that Seikin's fault?

Well, Daybold, McDaniel and Zach Taylor, okay, fine. Sean McDermott is probably safe. Sheen Steichen. He'd be, again. I mean, I don't think McDerm... Like, how would you fire McDermott? Is it Super Bowl or bust? I have them winning the Super Bowl,

but that doesn't mean if they lose in the AFC championship, you fire it. It's the way they lost with those... They looked at disorganized on Josh Allen's quarterback sneaks, and it was like, they don't look like they practiced it. It's the way they're losing where they feel like they're getting kind of outcoached and out detailed offensively. Decent point. I think you've got to have Zach Taylor won. I mean, with Burrough having a historic season, they missed the playoffs.

They've gone, they've been backsliding since the Super Bowl trip. Some of that's ownership, though. Again, I would say the Brown family ownership, I would defend Zach Taylor. I know people don't like his clock management. Folks, you didn't like Andy Reid. and then he got Mahomes and suddenly you loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management. I don't think many coaches in the league are great with the clock.

I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number. J-MAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd-line news. You know, I've said this about the NBA draft. I'm not going to come in too hot, higher, low. It's very much outside of two or three players.

It's a projection draft. These are 18, 19-year-old kids. the story that really disappointed me, and I led my show with it today, is the Ace Bailey situation where it's like, where are the adults? Like he's got an agent that's not certified. I mean, it was just, I thought he was a little tone deaf on his sort of reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that his agent or he told one of the top five teams, I won't go

there. Walter Clayton's already showed up in Utah. He hasn't. And reportedly he's a good kid. it's not him but i talked about this to start the show there there are lots of people in america when you're a girls mature faster than boys there's a lot of 16 17 18 19 20 year old boys they need guidance dad mom surrogate parent whatever they need guidance i feel like with ace i'm i'm like where are the adults helping him he's already got a strike against him now as draymond green

talked about where are the adults helping this kid because he is talented many people argue he's the second best player in the draft and he fell to five uh jeff Goodman, Basketball Insider Stadium, co-founder of Field of 68 at Goodman Hoops. Okay, I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid. He's not a bad kid. He's getting bad advice. So, I mean, I've talked about this before is in my life, I had a great stepdad.

I had strong people around me. You know, the father's son thing wasn't great. And thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is it possible here? The kid's just getting really bad advice. Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again, you know, you're 17 years old, and now you've got this world of NIL and a ton of money on the table even before you get to the NBA draft. So you've got to pick an agent now.

And a lot of these are low-level agents right now that are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't the one choosing his agent here, but it's a guy named Omar Cooper, who's got no idea. other NBA clients. He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life. Colin, I caught William before the season that they were asking for money for interviews, which I've been doing this 25 years, right? 25 years, I've never had anybody ask me for money.

So I was kind of intrigued. I'm like, I'm gonna call this dude on Mark Cooper. Let's find out what's going on. So I called them, played dumb. Hey, I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey, you know, get them on our network. work, make him look good. You know, that's what I do.

Like, try to loosen these kids up, show their personality. It's like, no, no, no, they're not doing it unless you pay. And I'm like, no, dude, I'm not paying. I'm not paying to do an interview with a kid. I'm going to help the kid, give him a platform, make him look good. He said, well, you're making money off these kids. I said, trust me, you can have the $8 that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview. Okay, that's going to be on YouTube.

Go get a Big Mac with it because. I'm not making any money off Ace Bailey in a 15-minute interview. So that was the first red flag, and obviously we've seen him since. Now, I will say this, talking to a ton of people around Ace Bailey, whether it's at Rockers, whether it was back in Georgia, he is a good kid who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is he immature? Absolutely.

Most of us were at that age. But again, the biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey. necessarily. It's his representation. I'll give you a kid, I think, and again, I don't want to come in hot, because in the NFL draft, I've seen these kids for four years. I will put my stand on Jaden Daniels and go, that's good or Bo Nix. I'm not going to pretend I follow college basketball at college football. I do think Carter Bryant, I watch Arizona play, I thought if you told me there was a guy that went like, lower mid first that hit, I'm like, it's that kid.

So by the way, you can rip me apart here, but I watch Arizona, probably six, seven times a year. I watched the tournament. I watched him and thought, I don't know if he'll be a great NBA score. That dude in San Antonio is going to be a baller. What do you make of him? It's what I love about you, first of all, and I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act like you know everything about everything, right?

Unlike some other people at networks we were at before. but you're right about Carter Bryant. He's a 3-and-D dude who can shoot the ball and defend at a high level, and he's got length and size. Yes. And he's just scratching the surface of what he's going to be. The big question I have, Colin, is in San Antonio, not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else,

is he going to come out of the gates and be able to make shots? Because they don't have great floors facing in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey's teammate at Rutgers, by the way, both picked in the top five. They didn't make the NCAA tournament this past year. It's not a great shooter. He's a poor man's cake coming here is really what he is. Steph Castle, the rookie of the year, not a great shooter.

Big time athlete, big strong. De Aaron Fox, we know. He's a blur. Probably the fastest point guard in the NBA right now, other than his Smith. But again, not a great shooter. So I like the Carter-Bryant pick because of that, because he is a guy that eventually will be able to space the floor. Will he be able to do it right away? I don't know.

So I'll be interested in your opinion on this. So I've been on this now for about six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, J-Mack and I talk about this, there was a time in my life. My favorite basketball was not the NBA. It was the Big East. It was Patino, Carlissimo, John Thompson. I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch Pack 12 basketball. I love the Big East, Big East Monday, and I love the NBA as well. But there, and all of a sudden, the G League is created.

I have never been a fan. I think the coaching's better. I think the environments are better in college. I want kids to, I think one of the advantages the NFL has, you got to go to college for three years, take classes, hang out with non-athletes. The coaching is hard. I don't like the G league. So when we got to the finals this year, Jeff, it was the Pacers OKC Thunder.

It's any G-League guys. It was a lot of guys who have been in college basketball. for two, three, and four years. I loved it. So I will tell you, the NIL, in my opinion, is really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon team two years ago, I'm like, okay, that team could compete against

UNLV and Larry Johnson. That is a real team. So I, everybody complains about the NIL. I think the NIL is saving college basketball. In my argument, this is a long question. This is the first draft. is the first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic, easier to follow, even the international guys playing in the States. This is the first draft for the next, however long,

like the old drafts where I've seen the players play. I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on that. It's not, and you're right, because in the old days, what was it? When you and I were young, it was like, unless you're a top 5, 10 pick, you're going back to school. Then it became unless you're a lottery pick, you're going back to school. Then it became first rounder. Then it started to become, you know what, even if you can get a guaranteed deal in the second round, a lot of those guys were gone. Now the biggest difference, Colin, is these kids that are 25 to 45 or undrafted or second rounders,

they can make $2, $3 million, even $4 million right now. Now, again, this might be a one-off type year. I think those numbers will dip a little bit. but it was rare to have a kid like, like think about Yassel Landenberg, is a kid who transferred from UAB, he's going to Michigan next year, probably would have been drafted in the 25 to 35 range,

and instead of rolling the dice, whether he's going to get a guaranteed first round draft pick, you know what he did? He went to Michigan, and he's going to get a guaranteed $3 million plus at Michigan. So you're right, it's changing the game to whereas these guys that aren't guaranteed lottery picks, They're saying to themselves, I can make more money going back to college.

Cooper Flagg, what's the hole in his game, Jeff Goodman? I wish I had one. I had one going into the year. In fact, I was like, I don't think he's a guy you can build your franchise around. I don't. I don't think he could be a number. And I'd seen him 50 times, AAU ball, going into Duke. And I didn't think he was a great shooter. I thought his handle was loose. He's an elite level defender, passer, all that. But after watching him this past season at Duke

do what he did, I'm convinced he will be a top 10 player in the NBA within five years. Could be a top five player. I would be shocked if he's not a top 10 player. Shocked. He's got, I've been doing this 25 years. There's no player I have seen

coming out of college that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper flag. That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant. That doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shaq. But overall, nobody has

fewer holes in their game. Nobody's more well-rounded than Cooper Flagg. That's an awesome take. You know, it's, um, I said this as a comp. People think I don't like Jason Tatum. I do. I wish he was more aggressive. I, I say Cooper Flagg is a hyper-aggressive

Jason Tatum at Duke. where it's like, give me the ball, get out of here. I read a story about Caitlin Clark. Christine Brennan has a book on Caitlin Clark. Caitlin Clark, when she was like seventh grade, trailed by 11 points with a minute, seven seconds left. She went in a 13-0-0 run and didn't pass the ball. It's like, I want Jason Tatum to have just a little bit of that.

But Jeff Goodman, his stuff is Field of 68 College Basketball Network at Goodman Hoops, knows his stuff. Loved your takes, man. Great seeing you. Love you, Colin. Great seeing you, too. Yep, we called him late today, and I always appreciate that, when we call somebody late and they have time for us,

but he thinks he can be, and I love Jeff, what he's saying is, I didn't think he was that good this year, and then he improved. Young people make massive jumps, like 17-year-old to 19-year-old. I mean, once you're 45 in life, maybe you stop smoking or something. You don't make, what you are at 43 is what you are mostly. I mean, even if you go on a diet and eat better,

it lasts like 18 months. And then you go back to Heineken's and Sloppy Joe's for lunch. Like, I mean, let's be honest about it. At this point, I'm not changing. It's hard to get me to get a haircut. Like, I mean, I'm just not changing. This is what you get.

And it's pretty good. But there's no more changes. I'm done changing. Cold plunge, not interested. Pickleball League. Talk to somebody else. Not doing it. It's the hurt.

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And she said the treatment of Caitlin Clark and the scrutiny is inhumane. And my take is, no, this is the privilege of being relevant. And the WNBA before last year, it was not a relevant league. It just wasn't talked about on local or national talk shows anywhere, any network. And now it is. And that's sometimes the way it works. So Tiger Woods, we talked a lot more golf with Tiger than without.

But if you look at Caitlin Clark's impact, with her this year they have a winning record and they average about 90 a game without her they average about 70-5-76 points a game so she's Yokic, she's the difference between winning and losing, she's Steph Curry but this whole thing about the criticism of her three-point shooting

slump is inhumane might take his Magic Johnson was already a two-time champ and a finals MVP he had a bad game game in the 84 finals and he got the nickname Tragic Johnson Okay, Steph Curry was already a unanimous MVP because Andre Iguodala won a finals MVP.

He was suddenly labeled system player, overrated. That's the price of relevance. So the WNBA literally flew just commercial airlines like you and me. I mean, you could literally jump on a plane out of Vegas and you're sitting next to Asia Wilson. And then Caitlin Clark arrived and they fly private. it, which is in itself pretty cool privilege, right? That's not guaranteed for all leagues. But this is the price of it.

It's not inhumane. It's the reality. Is it more eyeballs, bigger opinions, more opinions? And now people look at Caitlin Clark's game, and now they even can pick it apart a little. Here's Rick Patino this week. She's a great pass-up. She reminds me as Steph Curry when Steph Curry came into the league.

she's doing what Step did early on she has unbelievable range she has great vision she's a terrific passer you know she's physically a little weak but that's she'll get stronger as time goes on but she really understands how to play and she reminds me to female version of Steph Curry incredible range

yeah there's no question but this is just you know like if you're a politician and you get blasted that's a good thing you're getting disgust right like if you go look at people that start businesses in this country the one thing most of them want is marketing they're dying even if it's negative you know talk about us

and please somebody right about us we'd like it to be positive but we need name recognition so she's going to be just fine um i talked about this earlier uh there's a story out that the cowboys are going to sign micah parsons to a historically big deal. I like Micah Parsons a lot. I don't think he's nearly as good as Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Hendrickson, Aidan Hushison, and as a rookie, Jared Verse came in and was better and is stronger.

So I said earlier, I believe that in the NFL, the secret is paying for offense and drafting defense and keeping it very young because defensive players get hurt more often, more regularly. There's five NFL defensive players. I would pay whatever it takes. And that is Miles Garrett, Jared versus eventually, Max Crosby, Patrick Sertan, and Chris Jones. Now, Hendrickson for the Bengals is three years older than Max Crosby, and he's sort of

so-so against the run. So he's close. Will Anderson's very close. sauce gardener a couple years ago maybe but he it feels like he's gone backwards jemak but uh chris jones is the rare interior defensive lineman i think jalen carter's probably number six for me i'd like i'd like maturity scares me a little but we'll see but if you talk about great interior defensive lineman everybody says reggie white erin donald why because there's very few game-changing interior defensive lineman.

Chris Jones, although he's 30, that's old for an interior de-lineman. Chris Jones is getting into that territory. Is he going to go top three or four all time? I think edge rushers, well, I mean, say to yourself. I mean, think about the great interior. Not only is he 30, Colin. He's turning 31 on July 3rd. So are you sure you would pay him now?

No, I mean, you keep bagging on other guys who are 30, T.J. Watton, these guys, Chris Jones about to be 31 next week. He's PFF's number one. So he was last year. That doesn't mean he's going to be next year. I like him. I would take Aidan Hutchinson over him, going forward, obviously. Not for what they've done in the past.

But he's edge. Yeah. There's more edges out there. Let me toss a random name out to you. He's not that random. Kyle Hamilton, the safety of the Ravens. I know safety is not a premium position. Let me make the quick argument.

He's the only player in the NFL to rank, according to PFF, in the highest grade, top 85% against the run and pass. He can come up in the box and stop you. He can guard your tight ends. Remember, he famously did well against tight ends. He's best safety in football. And he reads the game in the back field. Like, he's awesome.

I think he's got to be at least top seven. He's great. I mean, it's funny. Ed Reed's the best safety I've ever seen play. Kyle Hamilton is grading out like an Ed Reeder or Ronnie Lott, like he's just good at everything. He's amazing. Yeah, I think Chris Jones,

three straight all pros, has shown no signs of aggression, still dominant and unblockable. And he also, he'll move outside or play inside. He is great. Jaylon Carter's not moving outside. So those are the five guys I would pay. And again, it's close.

I mean, the other day, remember I did the seven untradable athletes. I'm not saying I'd want to trade Wemby, but you could not trade Jaden Daniels. Now, if Jaden Daniels had a really serious injury and missed half the season like Wemby, then he doesn't make my list. Time out, a blood clot is not technically an injury. It's not like a thing. It's a medical condition, you know, very strange and random.

Okay, I had a blood clot. I still, to this day, I wear different socks when I fly. It's there. There's some, well, I can't, I'm just saying blood clot is not minor. I've never had one. No, no, no, they're not, that's not minor. Like a blood clot, Chris Bosch, blood clot is a pulmonary embolism, is not minor. It screws your body up for six months.

So it's not just, it's not your, it's not an ACL, but it's, it's not minor. Well, how's this? I'll, I'll buy Wemby's stock since he's not one of your top seven and watch him be like, runner up for MVP next year or something crazy in the NBA. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, he's that good. Wait, you'd be surprised? Runner up. For MVP?

I mean, in the top three? Well, MVP is a media vote, so, you know, fake news, you know, probably end up. Fake news. Okay, Prez. I like saying that. I just like saying that whenever I'm jammed up. I just fake news. It's your default.

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