The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NBA playoffs

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

Rachel Nichols stops by The Herd to talk about the Warriors surprising game 1 win over the Timberwolves, Steph Curry's injury, the future of the Lakers/Lebron, and more Thoughts on Tyrese Haliburton and the ridiculous overrated label he was givenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hour two. a minute, the herd, wherever you may be. Oh, whatever. I'll tell you right now. You eat with your eyes before you eat with your mouth. I'm not eating a blue sour patch kid. I'm not eating blue food. And J. Matt goes yellow, and I'm like, well, that's a lemon. Orange, orange. When I used to eat skittles, I get the pack of skittles, I take out the orange and yellow and give it to my kids. I'm like, I don't want that color. Only the red. You do get skittles are all the same. I don't get skittles that he knew it.

No, no, we did a Skittles taste test. Like, close your eyes, put the Skittal in your mouth. What flavor is it? And I aced it because I'm good at that. Jolly Ranchers, Skittles, gummy bears. Some people are wine, Somaliers. You're good on Skittles. Sounds about right.

So I was thinking about this. So the Cowboys, it's so crazy. They gave up a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, who Kyle Shanahan's like, not going to work. They gave up a fifth and a six-round pick for Brandon Cooks, who I kind of like, a fourth and a seventh for, Jonathan Mingo, which I said as they did that, ridiculous. They traded a third and a fifth round pick for George Pickens, which is too much for me and a six-round pick.

I would not have given up that much for Pickens. But they treat draft picks like office supplies, like, oh, you lose a pen, let's just order some more. There's a reason the best teams accumulate draft picks because it's a volume game. Drafting is an inexact science. 55% of the guys never pan out. and that's, I mean, the Rams have done almost the impossible. Every defensive pick the last two years has worked. And there are guys like John Snyder in Seattle, Jason Light and Tampa,

Howie Roseman, who hit on their picks. Howie Roseman, though, whiffed on a Stanford receiver, that TCU receiver in the first round who's bounced around the league, the great guys whiff. So you're trying to accumulate the most picks and just play the math game, the volume game. So like San Francisco this year at 11. picks. If you could get five to contribute, that's about the league average. And we think the

Niners are better run than most teams. So the Cowboys giving up all these picks for George Pickens. He is a volatile player that the Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin said, I've had enough. By the way, how has Deontay Johnson been since he left Pittsburgh? How was Levian Bell when he left Pittsburgh? How was AB when he left Pittsburgh? Generally speaking, when Mike Tomlin says, see you later, it doesn't work out well. So if I had to predict what would happen, is that C.D. Lamb is going to get the 12 targets and the nine catches, and Pickens will throw a tantrum by about week seven or eight and won't like it.

I do think he's really talented, but drafting is such an inexact science to just be giving away all these picks. I mean, take the Rams, for instance, I'll use them again. They got Pooka Nakuwa in the fifth round. Look at Pooka Nukuha's production, and they pay him a million dollars, year. This league is built on paying four positions. Quarterback, left tackle, defensive lineman weapon, and then having cheap labor. If you don't nail some fourth, fifth, and six-round picks, if you go look at the Seahawks near Dynasty, Pete Carroll was nailing fourth, fifth, sixth

third, seventh round picks. The Rams have done that on defense. They had an undrafted guy last year, ended up being a really good safety. You've got to do that. So it's just a numbers game. It's a math game, so I don't really understand what they're doing. I really don't get it. The other thing, well, I won't go too far into that. So if you've not heard, is Rachel here yet? One of the things, the story now is Steph Curry is going to basically miss the next three games. I think Golden State can win one of those home games,

because I think their culture and coaching and defense is so strong that they'll just muddy up and ugly up a game. Game two is going to Minnesota. They had no energy last night. They'll play with great energy in game two tomorrow. And with that, Rachel Nichols now is joining us here in the herd on our set. It is great to see Rachel, as always. Yeah, I used the example earlier.

Remember Aaron Rogers' first game of the Jets? He got hurt. Zach Wilson comes in. The bills have no idea what he is, and he wins the game. Last night's like, we didn't prepare for the Warriors without Steph. So, you know, it's like, well, buddy healed his staff. And so I do think there are moments where you can overcome losing a star. But if I get a plan a series without Steph, does it feel like to you the Warriors are done?

Well, first of all, report just came out while you guys have been on the air that Steph is going to miss at least a week. Yes. And so. That's three games. That's a lot of games, first of all. Look, I'm not sure it was, hey, we didn't plan for not Steph. I think that Minnesota's offense has been pretty disorganized, not just this game, but the last game of the Lakers series. And in fact, it speaks to, boy, that game five, the fact that they even won that thing when they had such a bad three-point shooting night.

And then again, last night, the worst combined three-point shooting over two games in NBA history. Wow. I mean, that's not a, Steph's not here a problem, right? So part of it is just disorganization. Their transition game was bad. Chris Finch after the game called it diabolical. Our transition was diabolical. I mean, when your head coach was out saying that kind of stuff.

I think a lot of it, too, was just guys being disrupted by the fact that you were playing a warrior's team that has a multiple-time all-defense-player in Jimmy Butler, a multiple-time all-defensive player in Draymond Green, who is also defensive player of the year, also considered one of the best defenders in NBA history. They're not used to that after what they saw in the Lakers series, which was a lot of the game. it's not a strong defense with a huge hole in the middle of it. So this is an adjustment for the Timberwolves, regardless of the Steph Curry of it all.

However, as you just said, I expect an answer, big response in game two, because I think Anthony Edwards has been challenged by his head coach and by the Warriors. And I think that now that they can know that Steph Curry isn't going to be there, they know that they have the chance to take the series by the throat, and I expect them to try. So it's interesting with Ant. I'm a defender of him. I do think the world has changed.

got a seasoned Chris Paul or a Ewing or, I mean, almost every great Tim Duncan, where they came in his men. Yeah. They'd had a tough college coach. And I've said this. I said this last hour, Rachel. When you go to the G League, you never play in a pressurized situation, and you don't play in front of big crowds. So, you know, Ants one year at Georgia, he at least gave it a shot. But there's those who have said he could have, it was a bad draft.

and you just took him, but there's always been this, he's a bit immature. And I don't mind bad shooting nights. But when you come in with no energy and you lose staff and you don't have the wherewith all to go, okay, guys, we're young and rested, they're old tired and no staff. I thought it was a real, it was a real dud by aunt. Yeah, I mean, there's no question it was. He missed his first 10 shots extending into the second half. He had one point in the first half.

And again, his coach called him out on it. after the game. He's 23 years old. I just think we do have to keep remembering that. So, yes, he's going to have some immature nights. He's not there yet. He's not seasoned as a 26-year-old would, a 30-year-old, or even a 37-year-old, which is what Steph Curry is. He's got a long runway still there. So, yes, sometimes these nights happen. We'll have to see if he can learn his way out of it as they say. He has bad misses. Terrible. And I would also say this, because I thought you made some really interesting points about the G-League. I completely agree with you. not providing those guys with these clutch time situations.

I have long said that the NBA, which is currently still talking about, should we remove the first year age limit thing again and go that you can go straight back from high school, it should go the other way. Yes. They should require people to spend two years doing something. Yeah. College basketball, playing in a league.

Guys who have come out of the Australian League after playing a couple seasons there have gotten a lot of seasoning. Do something. And the fact that you now can get paid. to stay in college and in some cases people are being paid more in college than they are in their first year in the MBA You don't have that ethical dilemma that the NBA has wrestled with a little bit of like man We're preventing young men from earning money and supporting their families by doing this age limit That's not a factor anymore So why not make it two years to your point you have people doing the work for you

Right in college or overseas or wherever it is and you would get a completely different preparation of player. And I just not really quite sure why they're not doing that. I know the Players Association. There's some agreement there with the CBA, but I just, I think it would benefit everyone. Well, you know, the other thing is, and there was that sort of ethical dilemma, you're not paying the kids. I get that.

But even if the G-League offered you a little more than Kansas or Duke, Kansas and Duke games are on television. Yeah. So the truth of the matter is the shoe deal and the advantage is Zion gets no shoe

deal at the G League. He got it because of Duke. Absolutely. I'd say this. It's just as a cautionary tale about just getting the money, I understand it ethically. But even if the G League paid more, do you guys understand how much a commercial costs during a Duke game? Because there's so many people watching a Duke or a Carolina or a Kansas or a Yukon game. College provides unbelievable free

marketing to your body, your feet, your shoes, your game, your personality. Take advantage of it. Baker Mayfield came into the league, Tebow, Reggie Bush, as stars. Okay, so listen, I'm not going to tell people, Dan Wojke and I argued for 20 minutes yesterday. So this

is the worst Houston's going to be over the next 10 years. This is the worst Oklahoma City is going to be. This is the worst Wemby and the Spurs are going to be. They're only getting better because they're rising athletic stars, ascending stars, and a draft pick. The idea that the Lakers are like, listen,

we're not budging on Austin Rees. to me lacks, it's diluted. Guys, don't you think that's a tactic, though? It has to be. Right? I mean, that was my impression

on hearing that is it's a tactic. It's sort of, you know, hey guys, yes, we're open for business clearly because they are trying to acquire a center, but, you know,

the price, if you want, Austin Reeves and the deal would be like super high, then we wouldn't give up anything else because, my gosh,

we don't want to part with him. That's a tactic. So I think that, sure, they really do love Austin Reeves. And Dan, who is as plugged into the team as anyone in the world, will tell you that they love him. And by the way, they do.

And LeBron is very fond of him, and they feel like he's this homegrown product. But absolutely, if they get some, you know, some incredible guy in the deal and the only last stickler is throwing Austin Reeves, he'll be gone. Because they just, they need a different sort of combination of players. And if they can get that, if they can get center help, if they can get some of the other things on the wing defensively that they need, and Austin has to go, I think that they have a responsibility to do that, because you have Luca, a generational superstar, you have LeBron who is still willing to get his 40, now 41-year-old, soon-to-be body out of bed and come play for you,

and I think they've got to build the best possible team around those guys. So over the course of a life, everybody should evolve. And I think smart people probably more willing to change and adapt evolve faster, evolve faster sooner and more often. LeBron knows what he's doing. He's a billionaire. How about this suggestion? Take a little less.

Oh, I think he should take a minimum. That's what I think. So look. And you and I aren't, hey, telling people what to do with their money. No, no, no. But look, LeBron has felt for a long time that he is at large,

big picture, underpaid. And that is why ever since his first contract in Miami, after that, he has wanted the maximum amount of money. And he is absolutely right. There is no amount of money that the NBA at large or any team he plays for could pay him to compensate for what he has brought to the NBA. So he is always going to be, quote, underpaid. But to your point, he is a billionaire. So how much money he makes in the next year or two is not even going to put a dent in his grandchildren's grandchildren's pockets.

And if I were LeBron, the thing you cannot buy with whatever amount of money you do get in that contract is championship rings. And if you took just the league minimum, and that allows a third really sort of huge superstar to come in, not only could he win another ring, but if he sticks around, and there's certainly a lot of talk about the fact that he wants to now wait to play with his son, Bryce, who still has a year at Arizona coming up, and there's a couple of years until Bryce comes in the league, he could get maybe two rings. And by the way, that puts him in one more ring, puts him in the Kobe conversation, two more rings, puts him in the Michael Jordan ring conversation. and I don't care how much money

the Lakers can pay him in the next year or two they can't pay him more championship rings and I just if I were him the thing money can't buy is this team going to the finals having juice he talked over the summer about how much he loved

the Olympics because he was playing for something I mean think about this think about Denver a team that we all kind of feel collectively like well they don't have quite it they have Yokic and Murray and Porter Aaron Gordon's an elite player

Westbrook off the bench The kid from Kansas, Brown Okay, that's a lot of guys Either in their prime And Westbrook still athletically Is in most people's prime LeBron's out of it Austin's limited athletically

And Lucas never in great shape That's just the Denver roster Oklahoma City is so much deeper In athletic than the Lakers Like my take is guys LeBron You need two major your moves to compete with OKC going forward because Yonis is probably gonna go

West well look that first of all we I just want to keep saying it we don't know for sure that Yannis will leave Milwaukee so I know it's our job to talk about where he might go yeah but he could Janus has shown a lot of loyalty to the bucks so we'll just have to see how that plays out however if he does want a trade there's already been reporting he wants to go to a major market I'm not sure he's going to have as much of a say as some other superstars in that position because he still has two more years left on his contract and i think and he's also a good guy he's not going to try to you know play his way out of a team or you know not show up or hold out if he goes to a smaller

market so i think any team would take even if it's just only two years of janis i think teams would take that even if he's indicating that he wouldn't resign but let's just talk about that with the lakers if for some reason the lakers could get him i i Wouldn't LeBron take a pick up for that? I mean, I just because here's the thing. They can't get him financially before we even get to the fact that the Thunder have more draft picks, the Rockets have more draft picks, the Spurs have more draft picks. They can't even have that conversation because the money factor won't work. So I just, again, I'm not telling LeBron James what to do with his money.

He's made a billion dollars for a reason. He knows what he's doing. If it were me, I would prioritize spending my last couple years on a team that's getting to the NBA Finals, that's dominant, that's fun, that's winning. You cannot buy that. Look at this. The Warriors, without Steph, beat the T-Wolves in Minnesota. The Lakers were backhanded by Minnesota.

The game was a physical mismatch. If you watched that game last night as Rob Polank and LeBron, and you're like, Warriors have six guys contributing last night. I would say the lacrosse guy, seven or eight. The lacrosse guy, I love it. Seriously. It's like the Lakers, like, their third guy didn't contribute. he wouldn't play jackson hayes it's a two-man team and look i i will say the lakers knew this it's not

as if after they made the laker look the luka trade they were like we're done we're great right they made that trade they knew it would seriously hamper their chances in the playoffs this year you still make that trade 15 times out of 10 right and then you fix it over the summer so this is going to be the question now is when rob polenka is on the clock not the minute after the the Luca trade. But now, can you build a team around Luca? Can you convince LeBron to take less money? Can you part with Austin Reeves emotionally if you have to? Those are the big questions facing the Lakers front office this summer. Somebody asked me yesterday and they said, you know, Halliburton went to the Olympics and didn't have a big impact. And I said, the Olympics are like

summer camp. Everybody gets along at summer camp. That doesn't mean they'd be a great teammate for 82 games, right? So you go to the Olympics and like summer camp. There's a hierarchy. People have been to camp before. They get the best bunk. They get the best place to stay. They know all the counselors. So don't judge a player based on

the Olympics. What Halliburton does is wear well over time. Because he's a facilitator. And this Indiana series is over because one team, even though Donovan Mitchell is great,

doesn't have a quarterback. Yeah. Halliburton in this series now, if you're watching this and you don't get it, I mean, I think he is so unique. Everybody touches the ball. I think this is his coming out party. You know, we're talking about Anton Tatum. This is a moment for Halliburton.

I mean, he's coming out party last year also. I mean, I have been long on the Tyrese Halliburton is a great player and is underrated train because look at him and look what he does at the end of games. Right? He's had two last second game winners in the last week, right? Ten of 11 this year. With the team coming, yeah. Under two minutes to tie or take a lead, ten of 11. Right? You literally cannot ask for more of that. When Tyrese didn't play at the Olympics, the funniest tweet I thought from him saying,

hey, when you get an A on the group project and didn't do anything for it, and he's got a great sense of humor about it. But when he was named the most overrated player in that athletic poll a few weeks ago, I really cautioned everyone, look at the numbers, because the athletic to their credit was very transparent about how many players would even answer each question. Not many answers. They only got 90 guys to answer the overrated question out of 450 in the league. And by the way, with the percentage of how much Tyrese got of being, quote, overrated, the math works out to 12 or 13 guys. There's 12 or 13 guys in the NBA out of 450 who think Tyrese Halliburton's quote, overrated.

It can be a little bit of a petty league. was going to say this is a league a little bit of a petty league a little bit this is the most petty workplace on earth right right so i i just i i just don't i throw that overrated thing out he's obviously started to use it to his advantage you've heard overrate that from him again last night yeah and i love that he has that as a rallying cry um he is a very very good basketball player that you want on your team and his teammates love him and by the way that is a great indicator of what kind of guy he is that he could be the summer camp guy even when he's at home. I mean, we all talk about

the great domestic player, and we don't bring him up, and he is the best between Tatum and Hallie, he's the best late game closer of the three. Finally, OKC, when everybody said, J. Mack was like, I think OKC's going to sweep him. I'm like,

bro, Denver's got too many guys, too many veteran guys who have been in too many playoff games. Were you surprised a little that you could see how nervous O KC was. They would have been better off in Denver. Yeah. They looked tight. Look, was I, yes, I was a little bit surprised at that. I will say that if Aaron Gordon doesn't

hit another last second sort of miracle sort of thing that even the disorganization of the thunder at the end of that game wouldn't have mattered. So I just, some of these games are so razor thin, so tight. Nikoliyokic is on the other side, an energized Russell Westbrook who got a standing ovation in a foreign arena in the playoffs, which is just something you never see, is on one right now. I just think the difference in that game, yes, the thunder didn't play up to their level. Yes, they still don't have the solid, solid, oh my gosh, number two option who can just come out there and score. Jalen Williams hasn't developed into that as the number two to Shea in that way. and we are still waiting for that to happen.

He is their number two option, but it's just not the kind of at the level of what OKC is going to need to win titles in this round right now so far. So let's see what happens. I still have a lot of faith in the Oklahoma City Thunder, but anytime you send Nicoliochich into a playoff game, I don't care what he's seated.

I don't care what his teams are doing. That is a connected locker room who is playing for a coach that they really like. I talked to a bunch of the Nuggets players in the last week, and they just were singing the praises out of out of that. battlemen and and i just think they will remain an extremely dangerous team as long as they're in it

he's got a little bill russle he's coaching he's playing he it mean he's i mean he's one of the best basketball players of all time yeah period i said outside of kareem in his prime no because kareem was an unbelievable defender uh... and and like sometimes could you know it's funny when you look at yokech you think he's indifferent and a lot of times he's just coachable but the minute the coach leaves, he's the coach. He's screaming at his guys on the sideline.

So good. Yeah. Rachel Nichols. So much fun. These games are crazy. It's amazing what these playoff games have been. And it is also the first time in NBA history that you had four road teams win game one in this round.

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I like reality. And you say, well, what about? Mission Impossible. That's not a movie. That's a documentary. That's really happening in real time. Hold on. Tom Cruise was in interview with a vampire. I didn't watch it. I thought he was your guy. No. I don't do vampire movies. I don't do wizards and sorcerers. I'm not into that stuff. I like documentaries, news, politics, sports. Okay, highbrow elitist. What am I escaping from? I talk sports for a living. I don't need to escape to some realm. I got nothing against sinners, but it's vampires.

So Game of Thrones, someone smart said, listen, start watching Game of Thrones with your kid, because it teaches a lot of life lessons, I guess. I haven't seen it. Have you seen Game of Thrones? Yeah, a lot of life lessons. When a sorcerer appears, don't be friends with him or a wizard. What about the dragons?

It's just, I'm not into that. So I guess sinners is great, but, like when I watched Oppenheimer, that really happened. Well, okay. I didn't watch Barbie. That didn't really happen. You didn't see Barbie yet? No. It wasn't And listen, if Margot Robbie's in a movie, as a man, you have to see it. I just watched the movie by Stephen Soderberg, the Blackback.

And it didn't happen, but it could happen. It's like espionage. I like reality. Don't throw in stuff that doesn't exist. I'm not interested in that. I like heist movies. Oh, I love a good heist. I like, you know, anything that I have to figure out.

I'm not into. Fake stuff. Escapeism. Escape from what? You don't want to go sit in a theater for two hours and just escape reality? Just, oh, man, what an experience is. A cocktail does that just as well. You know, just sitting there thinking about things.

You sound like you're really fun at parties. I'm not. I don't like parties. Oh. I don't. By the way, I invited Cowherd to a dinner tonight. He's like, no thanks. Well, you really sold it.

Hey, it's a bunch of local dads. And I'm like, why don't you just take a sleeping pill instead? J-Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's go to the Celtics, Colin. Their game one strategy of 63-point attempts did not work. Missed 45 of them.

Well, I think he's a your friend. Timmy Legler, aka Legs, absolutely tore the Celtics to shreds yesterday. Man, he ripped him. Here we go. What the Boston Celtics did last night was an insult to basketball, in my opinion, man. That's an abomination. an abomination offensively to play the way they played. And look, and people are going to sit there.

Well, that's how they play all the time, man. Let's shoot, live by the three, die by the three. What are you talking about? Watch the game. What I didn't understand was why were the Celtics playing as if for literally an entire 18-minute stretch. They played offense like there was three seconds left in the game. He's so right with such a bad look

I mean Tatum This goes back to my Tatum They're so embedded in this three-point culture That Tatum who can beat guys off the dribble You'll watch him beat a guy off the dribble And pull back to take a three Because that's what Missoula and the guys upstairs want Like I'm sorry

Get me up that's what Jimmy Butler does Get me a basket Momentum and basketball matters The fans are right on the floor Get last night the Warriors When it all of a sudden here goes Minnesota. A Minnesota's got it to 10. Butler's like, let's just get a basket. Quiet the crowd down. And again, I think Boston's really good. But watch Tatum will beat guys off

the dribble. He'll pull back and take a worse shot. Well, three is more than two. A step back three for Tatum? What's the percentage on hitting a three over a two? Normally for Tatum, it's good. They just had an off game. Colin, I am curious. Can you guess the line tonight? Celtics hosting the next. You told me the other day it was 10.5. It's not 10 and a half. Now I would guess it's 9. 11. It's going the other way.

Everybody thinks Celtics bounce back big time. Do you know Mikhail Bridges paid like 51 minutes? Yeah, I think he was 3 of 13. But he had a huge deal at the end. Like, I don't know that the Knicks show up again. I don't show up. I'll just get house. I'd be stunned that there's a one possession game late.

Because if that's the case, then the Knicks can win the series. Knicks are not going to win this. I largely agree with you, but I'm a Knicks fan, so I got a rod. Next up, let's go to the Nux. Cuckets, Colin, another big comeback. Look at this. Yokic coaching. Yes, coaching against OOKC. He had a masterful 40-22. Now, there's some interesting stuff about him being a vocal leader in the huddle. Listen to Christian Brown. Listen closely to what he said about Yokic. Obviously, he has the best mind, you know, in basketball, maybe ever, but definitely has the best mind on our bench. And so when he talks, people, listen. And that's who he is. He wants to win. So when he's yelling and telling you things, a lot of times it's hard to understand. but, you know, he means it. He's passionate about it. What he's telling you, he's not telling you just to say something.

His mind is great, and he wants to win, and that's the guy he wants to be. I think he wants to be vocal. I don't know that he wants to have to yell every time out, but when he talks, people listen. Yokic has the best mind on our bench. What does that say to you? That includes the coaching staff.

I'm not, am I supposed to be appalled by that? No, I think. LeBron's had a better basketball mind, not than Spolstra. But I think LeBron probably knows situational basketball better than JJ Redick. So that gets to the point. Is there a world where the Nuggets saw, hey man, Michael Malone, let's just get him out of here. Yokic can lead us in the huddle, lead us on the floor.

Well, I think Stan Cronkey, who owns the Nuggets at one point said, like the mojo's bad. Malone is a very critical person. He's rough on players. And so certain coaches, not a lot of them, but they're really good with play. players, maybe not scheme guys. Now, Kerr is both, fulstra's both. But Malone was more scheme first and getting along at a cocktail

party second, and I think Malone barked a lot, and I think that wears players out. It's a players league, and it has been since the 70s. Can I put Redick in that class of the elite coach? Well, no. He's not a least... He doesn't want playoff series. I think, schematically,

I thought the Lakers were a very good first-half team this year. Very intentional team. You could see the game plan. But I think there is, it's not the NFL. You've got, you know, 17 Sundays. You've got 82 games. Sometimes, I mean, Chris Finch twice a year probably has to light his team. And he did.

That's about what you get. Two to three times a year, you can light your team up. But forget, remember, it's not just the games. You have three times the practices. So 240 days with these players, you get about three nights to light them up. The coaching part's interesting. Remember Kyrie Irving when he went to Brooklyn was like, we don't even need a coach. We got me. Well, that's stupid. I largely agree, but Yokitz versus an interim coach is interesting. Final story, Collins, to the NFL where the Lions have had an amazing run in the last two seasons, but still no Super Bowl trips.

They were close two years ago. Detroit legend Barry Sanders believes the running game of Gibbs and Montgomery can lead the team to their first Super Bowl appearance. David Montgomery, he's been a great running back in NFL for many years and he just added to that, you know, coming over from the Bears and you see what Chimir Gibbs was able to do last season really from the time, you know, from the last two years that he's been here. But I feel like last year was more of a breakout season for him. You would think that if the Super Bowl is in our future, in the near future, then you would think that those two guys would be a big part of it.

Yeah, good line, good backs, good receiver. Interesting that a running back hyped two running backs. He said nothing about the quarterback who had four turnovers in the playoff lost to Washington. That didn't notice. Goff three picks and a fumble. Well, Goff is the last, one of the last three or four pure pocket passers. Cousin, Stafford, Goff, not many. Can Goff?

I get 25. Well, Goff's been to a Super Bowl. Oh, Goff's been to a Super Bowl, yes. Look at that, 59 years since the line. Lions were in the Super Bowl. My jets are on that list. I would guess I'll never see the Jets in the Super Bowl in my lifetime. I don't think they'll get there in the next.

I think Detroit's got a shot to get there. Detroit's got a way better chance. Well, I will say this is going to be a big year for golf. If he stumbles in the playoffs, they'll draft. He just got a new contract, didn't he? Well, you know what? He is a good quarterback. You could put Doff.

Every year, eight teams are desperate for a quarterback. Jared Goff on the market would find a job. Gino Smith has gotten multiple. opportunity. Jared's bet of the genome. Sam Darnold totally resurrected his career. Baker Mayfield. You get opportunities. Jared Dough on the market would have suitors.

Speaking of Darnold, your Niners' last place take yesterday? Forty-niners fans on the internet were fired up. I know people are angry when they're coming to me saying, you've got to talk sense into coward. Niners are not a last place team. Like, people are... Your NFL takes in the office. I said.

You're working people up. Hey. Truth hurts. I said a year ago today, I said the Niners have peaked, it is not going to look the same. And I was right. They should have two years ago started moving pieces. They didn't. So this is, and I thought Seattle and Arizona arguably had two of the top three draft.

The Niners lost that Super Bowl in overtime. Like, they were close. That was their peaking year. 11 wins this year. Huh. Wait to the schedule comes out. hopefully it's not as tough as the bear's schedule jackel the news

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PR help that jordan hudson has rubbed people the wrong way i have no insight on this the story is so weird. I don't know where to go on it. I'm about ready to wave the white flag on this whole story. It gets weirder every time there's a new story. She forced her way into the Duncan Donuts commercial with Belichick. Like, it's intense. But there's Edelman will have to give us some insight. Yeah, well, I made the mistake once you mentioned like her, the story about her family, her parents, like what they do and stuff. And then I went down from rabbit holes.

I'm just going to stay out of the story. It's like you said, wave the white flag. I don't, I don't I'll tell you the story that's crazy, is that guy going from Oregon to Hawaii on a sailboat with his cat. Have you seen that thing on TikTok? That is gripping. Less TikTok, my friend. Come on. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio on Fox Sports Radio on Fox Sports Radio.

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He's obviously crushed. But, you know, the guys picked him up and played a great game and we're concerned about stuff, but it's part of the game. You just, guys get hurt, and you move on. It's an amazing group of guys. These guys are, they compete and they're together. We've been the best defense in the league since the Jimmy trade, and that's what's keeping us afloat right out. Yeah, I mean, Nate, they took the Rockets in game seven and the T-wolves in game one, took them to the shed.

That offensive performance was brutal by Minnesota last night. The other thing that happened last night is the craziest game. I mean, calves are up seven. Like, there's a minute left. It's crazy. But this whole thing about Tyrese Halliburton, the NBA has always been a very petty league. And guys play favorites. And there is some value in being cool, which is fine.

Dr. Jay was cool. Michael was cool. Iverson had so much street cred. Like, I get it. Halliburton, maybe he's not. But the numbers are insane. he is 10 of 11 this year to tie the game or take a lead with under two minutes left.

That is remarkable. That is unbelievably clutch. And he talked after doing it again last night about the whole overrated label. Good for them, man. That came out of nowhere, but it's just, I think

now that that labels there, they're all, as it's going to be, every time we play somebody. Every time on the road, probably follow me until the next poll comes out and then we'll see if I'm number one again. But, you know, for me, I just control what I can, man. And, yeah, I mean, overrate that. The other thing about Halliburton is he stayed in college another year and it paid off.

He got to become a lottery pick. And I think, you know, I've said this before is point guards are quarterbacks. And Schuhrer Sanders dropped in the draft. And part of it was people thought he lacked. self-awareness. And I think the players that understand the value of college basketball, I mean, look at the Warriors right now. Steph, Clay was,

Draymond Green, young players struggle with the warriors. They just, they, the young guys aren't mature enough to make the warrior. Jordan Poole, they bailed on him, Wiseman, Comingo looks lost, and I think Halliburton's one of those NBA players that plays much older than he is. And I think college basketball deserves a lot of credit for that. Listen, I'm going to give you my opinions. You don't have to like him.

I've been on this for years. I confronted Adam Silver on it. The G-League hurts growth. It hurts growth. You're just taking money. Go to college. It's better for marketing. You get better coaching.

You play in March Madness, which is an NBA environment. You play and sold-out arenas. You're on a college campus. You're just dealing with smart people all over your college campus. you're going to have friends that aren't basketball players. I, you know, Urban Meyer, when he, in college, he always liked recruiting players who played other sports beyond football. He wanted basketball players and track guys. I'm really, if I was an NBA GM, I would be more attracted to college basketball players.

I think you've been coached better. You've had more sold-out arenas. you've had more national television games. I mean, the G-Leaves just, G-League, give me a break. I mean, nobody's watching those games. Nobody's going to those games and the coaching. Now, Nick Nurse came from the G-League. There are some good coaches.

But I think if you're not going to go college basketball, go overseas, go play in Europe and go play in these intense environments in Greece or Spain or wherever it is. Now, I don't think that's a terrible idea because, again, there's intensity and there's, you know, there's a press that's on you, and there's a community that it's pretty tribal and intense. I don't think the G-League, the NBA just was on this G-League thing, and I don't think it helps players. By the way, NBA's most clutch player, best clutch player, Jalen Brunson, three years in college, won two titles. Go look at the best. Who are the best clutch players?

Brunson College, Halliburton College. Here's the guys that are lost, Cominga and Jalen Green. Let me give you a couple G-League guys who have thrived in the NBA. Pascal Seacom has been excellent. Chris Middleton had a great run with the Bucks. Fred Van Vleet won a title, and the list stops about there. Well, Alex Caruso with the Lakers had a good little run. Fine, solid run.

Austin Reeves started with the South Bay Lakers. Yeah, but he also played a bunch of college. He did play a bunch of college, yeah. I'm not saying LeBron James has to go play college, or like Wemby, But the European system of basketball is more like our college system. You're playing sometimes against older players. An 18-year-old comes into Wisconsin, and they've got 22-year-old seniors. So the European system is more like our college system with the elite coaching,

real pressure, skills and practice matter, and you're playing against older guys. There's also something to Halliburton being kind of an overlooked recruit out of Wisconsin. They weren't even recruiting him in state. Same with Donovan Mitchell. He ended up, I think, at Louisville. A guy dropped 48 last time. We haven't even mentioned that. He had a great game.

But like some of these guys who were overlooked, underdogs, if you will, the Brock Purdy's of the world, Halliburton, a lot of these guys were overlooked, and they come out, and they've got the chip on their shoulder. Whereas,

you know, the number one overall pick doesn't always feel that way. I thought it still think it's funny that a lacrosse player was getting minutes for the Warriors last night. So that guy's story, I went,

I went and looked at it last night. Unbelievable. He went overseas. He wasn't even a dominant overseas guy, and the Warriors got to, his rights and just doing hook shots, running hook shots. And his brother played on Yukon's National Championship winning team. I didn't even know that.

I mean, this kid, he looks like a police officer with that mustache, you know? Yeah. He wears number 60. He kind of looks like Reno 911 cop. It almost looks like a parody of something. And he's just out there playing, and he's a tough guy, by the way. He reminds me of the 62-year-old guy at the YMCA who's doing hook shots and they go in off the glass.

Oh, gosh. You ever gone to the YMCA and had the old guy who, like, can't miss hook shots? It's like, what are you, George Mikan? What does this game come from? All right. Julian Edelman's around the corner. We got to go down at Belichick and Jordan Hudson. This need, we need an investigative eye team.

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