The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

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15 minutes from now. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. In about two minutes, Jay Mack is joining us. He's got two donuts that were downstairs here at the Fox Studios. On a new donuts, you do apparently? Well, you got to sell me out like that. Geez. It is a cheat day.

I don't want to admit I'm eating donuts on national television. Well, go ahead. You had a couple of them. Big plateful. Hey, you know, it's funny. I haven't talked about the Dallas Cowboys in the first hour. I got some stuff. I'll talk to Sean Payton later.

Everybody thinks you have to talk Cowboys. To me, the Bill's Packers was the big game. San Francisco, L.A., the Seattle story. You know, Miami, everybody's freaking out. But I will say this for Dallas. Yesterday is how they should play, which is lead with your defense, lead with your run game. And then DAC becomes a great,

complimentary piece. They got their tied end back. I still don't trust Mike McCarthy in a big spot. I don't. And C.D. Lamb, they're very reliant on C.D. Lamb on the outside to make a great play. If he got hurt, it's not the same team. But there are moments when you watch teams you have doubts about, and we're about the halfway point of the season. I'm like, that's about as well as Dallas can play. And it's the kind of perfect Dallas game where Tony Pollard's now their go-to back clearly. Zeke is not going to come back next year. I think his cont is, isn't it's contract up at the end of the year. Jerry Jones loves him so much. I wouldn't bring him back. Tony Pollard's your guy. I'd let him go. And then it was like run game defense. Then when

Dak throws on play action, second and four, third and two, Dax's highly effective. That's Kirk Cousins. If you're asking Kirk to throw in the teeth of a pass rush at third and 11, it's over. If you're asking Dak to play from behind with no running game, it's over. He can't do that. Mahomes can. But yesterday, that formula for Dallas, when they play with a lead against the kind of, you know, pop gun offense and they lean on defense and Tony Pollard, that's a real football team. Dallas, to me, looks like the third best team in the NFC. Who would you take neutral site playoff game, Dallas or Minnesota?

Minnesota. Really? Kurt Cousins over DAC, huh? Well, I think Kirk Cousins is a less cool version of Dak. I think both guys... Dad Crescott's a better quarterback than Kirk Cousins. What do the numbers say? Okay, who's got the better defense?

Oh, Dallas. Okay. Well, again, who's got the better coach? I'll take the offensive guy from Minnesota. Seven games into his time? Well, I mean, I'm just saying, we know what Dallas is and we know what they're not. You know what Mike McCarthy is. Unfortunately, I do. We know what Dak is. I mean, we know what Jerry Jones is, and we know their defense is great. We know everything about Dallas. We don't worry about Dallas, but against Shanahan, against Philadelphia. You know, there's against Brady in a big spot. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I think I would take this morning if the Giants play the Cowboys, who would you take? Oh, Cowboys, for sure.

No, no. Cowboys beat him with Cooper Rush, Colin. All right, maybe you're right. They look better. And by the way, Michael Gallup, remember he started the season injured off the surgery? Yeah. He looked a lot better yesterday, more pop on the slants. I think Dallas is pointing upward.

All right, that's good. Colin right, Colin wrong, plenty of both. Here we go. Where Colin was right. I love the Christian McCaffrey trade. He threw for a touchdown. ran for a touchdown, caught a touchdown, draft picks. Yeah, I wouldn't like to give up as many, but the reality is this is a live in the moment team and

McCaffrey's a star. We said it. How did the Rams react when they learned of the trade? They went crap. Our rival got Christian McCaffrey because reportedly the Rams wanted him to. We told you it would work. We told you it was a piece and it would work quickly and it did. where Colin was wrong.

Derek Carr, and I have no explanation, did not get his team past midfield when he was on the field. His passer rating is now in the mid-80s. His completion percentage has eroded. This is with adding offensive pieces. Is it Josh McDaniel? Is it too much too soon? Is it the offensive line?

I mean, the Saints defense gave up 44 points to Arizona. Derek Carr couldn't get his team past midfield. I wish I had answers. I did like the Saints to win. But what's happened to Derek Carr is a mystery. Where Colin was right? I didn't like Zach Wilson at a college at BYU. I thought he was small, undisciplined.

He was Johnny Mansell with an arm. And he's bad right now. Like bad at everything. Completion percentage. Passer rating. Three touchdowns, five picks. Now, again, it's early. the offensive line lost Austin Vera Tucker, so let's not label this forever.

But the early indications are that the Jets coaches, when you watch them, do not trust Zach Wilson. And early indications are he is what I projected he would be in the NFL. Where Colin was wrong. Boy, I defended Kyler Murray. You got to pay him. What are you without him? Well, what are you with him? Arizona's three and five.

The trend is regressing. His numbers are going down. Yesterday, situationally, was not good football by Arizona. The talent is obvious. He and DeAndre Hopkins clearly have a connection. But as much as I love Kyler Murray, right now, Arizona between head coach and quarterback relationship, situationally, him regressing. Arizona's a mess.

where Colin was right? I told you. If you can move Anthony Davis, move him. He's marginally committed, and already five, six games into the season, the Lakers forward is hurt. He missed Friday's game. He has back spasms. Last night he couldn't after the game stand when he was doing the interview.

Anthony Davis peaked at 24. He was then good in the bubble at 26. He's not the same. player. He is a brittle body. He may be 29. He looks 36. And let's be honest. Over the last several years, he has regressed away from the basket badly. They should have moved him before this season. You cross your fingers he can stay healthy to the trade deadline. But there's a reason LeBron went to his Instagram last week. Get me help saying move people. Where Colin was right? Well, it's our best prediction of the year, we said the Vikings are going to win their division going away,

and all those close losses will become wins. Right now, they're six and one. Yesterday is a classic example. They have a lower ceiling, but situationally, coaching, Kirk Cousins, the bottom line is they were my number one most improved team, and they've been exactly that. This was a nice run by Kirk Cousins down the right side line, by the way. Good for him and good for the Vikings. I do think their ceilings low, but what they're doing is what they're capable of doing winning these close games.

They lost all of them last year. Where Colin was wrong. The Atlanta Falcons are in first place. Don't ask me. I thought they could be the worst team in the league. I thought they were football tanking when they bailed on Matt Ryan. But now Matt Ryan's benched

and Marcus Marioita has had three straight games over 100 plus passer rating. All I know about Atlanta was. I thought they were going to be kind of a football tanking team. They bring it every week. They run. They run some more. They run some more after that.

I wish Buffalo did more of Atlanta. They are totally committed to the run. And it's working. Where Colin was right? I told you with the dolphins. They're going to make the playoffs. They're going to fool you. They're the fastest wide receiving combo ever. And then you're going to start thinking

to a long term. In a dome, warm weather. early in the season, they put on a fireworks show. Both Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle are in the top 10 yards after a catch. The dilemma is going to be, what do you have with Tua? Because football is a December, January, and February sport. That is where legends are made, and a warm weather small quarterback heading north in the postseason

will eventually not pan out. Where Colin was right? I said last year, I would trade Kyrie Irving for rotational players. And I couldn't recall ever saying that. He is a selfish nightmare. He is a culture killer. Every week there's a new drama.

Now he's in trouble again. Whether it's Alex Jones, whether it's vaccine, Kyrie Irving is about Kyrie Irving and nobody else. I said it years ago, trading in Steph Curry for Kyrie Irving is a professional career blunder that even the great Kevin Durant will not be able to overcome. And this week and this weekend, once again, Kyrie Irving has created drama around the Brooklyn Nets. Some guys are just not winning players. Kyrie Irving's talented.

He's not committed to any culture outside of his own, not committed to any of it. It's like Ben Simmons. He's talented. But Steph Curry's talented and committed to being part of a collective. Janice Talented wants to be part of a collective. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. There's plenty of guys like that. Jimmy Butler, they said, hey, bring me in.

I'll be part of it. I'll work hard both ends. Most of the stars in the NBA are. The guys that kill cultures are the guys that they're their own culture. The real scary thing on Kyrie, when he was at the podium Saturday night, like, mouthing off, he's like, I've got a whole army of people behind me. You know who he's talking about is social media followers, you know, a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors on the internet who,

oh, Kyrie, you're always right about everything. It's a little scary where he's headed right now. I don't know if he's going to finish the season with the Nets. Something is going to happen there. Kevin Durant now is trapped. One of the three best, one of the all-time great players in league history is trapped. Oh. What a bummer.

This is so bad. I feel bad for KD. So do I. So do I. He's two guys. good to be involved in this, but it's his own making. You know, he wanted to be whatever he wanted to be. He's a leader, not a follower. He said, he goes, I want

to play with my friend. That's what all the reporters said. He wanted to play with a friend. It's like, I don't know, Steph Curry's may not, maybe not your friend. He's a good teammate. Great culture and Golden State, right? I don't necessarily want to work with my friends. I like being around them. I thought, but can I get along with my... You know, I like work with you. What the heck is

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Offensively, the league's had and just a wealth of information. Sean Payton is joining us in studio on Halloween. Now, being a New Orleans person, that's a big Halloween city. It's, yeah, the tradition there. And you got Marty Grau, right? But that's the second biggest thing. And when they have a home game like they did yesterday, like you could only get half of it with the cameras panned in the audience.

They're looking for a reason to celebrate. And look, fortunately for them, they won a game yesterday too. And so I'm sure that there were a lot of people enjoying the French quarter after. Yeah. You know, when you buy cigarettes, it says on the side. Warning. Warning.

Yeah. Aaron Rogers is smart. When you sign for 50 million, you know the caveat M-Tor. It's going to be hard. You can't afford people. So when people say it's not Aaron's fault what's happening, I say, well, he demanded Randall Cobb. He took the money and he didn't work out in the offseason with the young kids. I'm not blaming him.

But he knew the reality. Yeah. It's a little bit like your budget at home. and if the old man decides he wants all the channels and you get the whole TV bundle, but you got to keep the temperature at 72 degrees and it gets a little warm and it's not pleasant. Look, we were talking before we came on here.

Historically in our league, it's been hard for a team once that quarterback has signed a mega deal to enjoy the same success or win a Super Bowl. It's happened, you know, when Tom, was in New England, although his number was a little reduced. Everyone knew that. Yes, absolutely.

And he knew it, and he talked about it. So when a chunk of the pie, that big a chunk, goes to one player, I think the pressure falls then on, obviously, the front office and the rest of the players on the team and are other players willing to, you know, I thought at the beginning of the year, the biggest transaction that surprised me was not Aaron signing. But when all of a sudden they lost Devante to the Raiders. I was, I just assumed that that would get done because, you know, Aaron's returning. These two were quite arguably one of the better quarterback receiver combinations in the last 20 years, really. Right, right, right.

And so when that happened, I just thought, wow, I didn't anticipate that. I didn't see that. Right. I said with Buffalo, they're obviously great. but the margins in this league are tight. And last night's a great example. It's 24-7. Packers have a makeshift O-line.

They're on the road. Buffalo's healthier. Got much better personnel. In the last two hours, I'm like, Green Bay's making them fight for every yard. And sometimes you get seduced by talent. Josh Allen is so good. You saw this with Ben sometimes,

that you want to let him be Josh Allen. But Josh makes mistakes. He did in college. It's who he. he is. It's the greatness of the artist. He spills some paint. And I look at Buffalo. Should I be concerned watching them and thinking, boy, they leave a lot on the floor. Yeah, quite honestly, I'd like him to spill some pain for my team anywhere. I'd be comfortable with that. I do think this, though, we say this in our league a lot. Sometimes it's not who you play. It's when you play them.

and I know Green Bay didn't win that game, but boy, did they have like a finger right in the middle of their chest all week. Yep. And you have to always respect the professional athlete on either side of the ball. That's right. And we saw that a little bit from Green Bay. You came away like, man, there was some fight there. And I mean, man, the early catch for a touchdown by.

Romeo Dobbs. It was unbelievable. And so you kind of anticipated when someone gets pushed back into the corner that they're going to come out fighting. And so, look, the greatest thing for Sean McDermott is to get a win like that, a big win, another win, right? We'll forget about this one in three weeks. It'll just be a win. Right. And then, man, coach hard off of it.

That's right. You always say that. Man, there's nothing better than a win with – Little issues. With issues. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, every coach probably at some point, every talk show host, has a formula.

Pete's formula, the rumor on Pete Carroll has always been, I mean, I know guys who have played with him, so it's not a rumor. Great with young players. Storytelling Pete, he builds a culture. I don't look at him as a schematic genius, like maybe a Belichick defensively or you or anti-offensively. But he's a culture setter. He's a relentless energy guy. And young guys who are less cynical aren't compensated yet totally buy in. That's why he was so great at college.

And I watched this Seahawk team, and Sean, they look a lot like that one four years ago where they have a chip on the shoulder quarterback, a starback. They are fast, young, and long athletic. I don't know what their ceiling is. What do you make of it? Well, look, I hope any of us that coach, or in my case, if I were to return in coach, that I can have as much fun as he's having right now. You know, sometimes, why does it anger you sometimes?

Like you just look at him and you're like, he can't have that much fun. You're coaching. You're supposed to be stressed out right now. He's chewing his gum. He's smiling. He's, you know, that's been his formula and it's worked for him. When you faced him, what did you think? When you faced the Pete team.

And we knew we were going to get a very disciplined, well-coached team. And it started with their defense, of course. But Pete will be patient with the running game. whether he won 10 to 7 or 37 to 30. You knew you were getting a well-coached team. I think this, his energy at his age, and the challenge where the franchise quarterback left the building, you're playing, you know, there's a little bit of that house money.

Sure. And he relished that challenge, I think. And I think conversely, you see the locker room the same way with a chip on their shoulders, as you said. and you see that. They're having fun. I kind of felt I saw that win for them yesterday versus New York. I didn't see the jet game going maybe as easily to New England as it did. But I felt like Seattle would play well in that spot.

Gino's been amazing, though. And when you looked at his career and they even showed the teams he was on and you thought his career was over. Well, you forgot where he was at. It's true. So sometimes all of us in life, we have a belief, and then something happens, and it confirms our belief. So I didn't love Zach Wilson out of college. I said he's got too much Johnny Manzello hero ball, pretty arm, but you're stepping up in class. I don't think you can get away with this stuff.

Like people, there are comps in this league. And I thought, man, there's a lot of, I'm just going to do what I'm going to do. And I'm like, a little Drew Locke to me. And I'm like, no, that's not the way the league works. That's BYU, Mountain West or whatever. Independent can do that. So now watch him. And here's my question.

He's been heard a couple times. When do you as a coach and a staff? Once you get, how many games in with a young quarterback? Do you sit down collectively and go, we have to consider maybe looking at that position again? Look, it's a great question. I would say this, we're always evaluating, right? Weekly, we're grading the tape, we're grading the players.

Generally speaking at that position, you have, well, let me say this, generally speaking with every position, you have that first impression. In other words, you've drafted the player, he's come to the building, you've had your first rookie minicamp. and I can still recall great first impression. Like the best first impression after we drafted a player when I was at New York with the Giants was Jeremy Shockey's first three days. It was like better than we could have ever. Really? It was immediate.

And then conversely, you've been a part of maybe early round picks that took time. And so when they arrived, it was like, give them time, you know, what's going to work out. Give me one of those that literally... Well, a lot of times it comes with a receiver position. They don't pick up things right away. It takes a little bit of time. Robert Meacham became a very good player for us on a Super Bowl team.

But in year one, there was a big transition relative to what he had done at Tennessee coming to the Saints. So back to your question regarding Zach. I think, look, they've got a feel right now. They've got enough in their tank from... an evaluation standpoint, the Jets do to at least know kind of who they have. Then it's like, all right, what are the things that we feel like he does well? The challenge in our league, oftentimes, is, boy, when you get one of those high selected players, it's hard organizationally to say, hey, we missed. Well, and I found it interesting yesterday. I'm jumping ship here to the

cowboy game. And the minute that Jerry was talking to the media, and man, it was a great win for them, right? Yeah. And right away, it went back to Zeke. And it did. But why is that? Because he paid him. Because he was selected before we even sat down. Right. And because he got paid. And so I get all that. But the moment at that time wasn't about Zeke. It was about another player, who looked really good, by the way. Yes. And every once in a while, we play an opponent and we said, don't hurt the starter because we don't want to see the two.

But I think in the Jets case, I think we're still going to see, look, as the talent around him improves, hopefully, and I'm sure they think this way, hopefully we see the more consistent and improved play by him. And look, it's always a tough spot when you go to play a Belchek coach team. the week prior we saw fields completely unravel a new offense, though. That was the first we saw a package from Chicago that really suited fields. All of us looked and said, what are we watching? And they had studied Ravens film.

To their credit, Matt, and their staff, they had a little midstream adjust and said, hey, what can we do effectively to win games? I think, I'm sure the Jets will be looking at it the same way. I didn't have a chance to see that game. Yeah, no, but you can see their self-identity is defense and run game. They lose Brise, their best old lineman. Now they need Zach to make plays, and I don't think he's quite capable. I want to shift into the Cowboys.

The loss of the runner. It's huge. Yeah, that's like, that's a big loss. It's amazing how good a quarterback gets throwing on second and four and third and one. Yeah, I want those. And it's amazing how good a play caller you become. Because on those down in distances in your earpiece, you're on a line with maybe six other coaches.

Three on the sidelines are on that line, offensive coaches, three in the press box, and everyone has an idea on second and four. But when it's third and 14, it's like crickets. You don't hear a thing. Not a thing. Nobody's got a suggestion. You don't hear a breath.

Okay, so tell me this. So I think it's pretty obvious that Tony Pollard, Zeeks deals up, right? So Tony Pollard's the guy. tell me what it's like you have a I think this is always one of these things that we don't talk about in the media but is a real dance for coaches is that Tony Pollard has the juice it's very obvious and Zeke's been paid but he is a leader in that locker room reportedly the players really like Zee Tony Pollard's a better player he's the home run hitter what's the dance like as a coach to make that work yeah I my experience would say the less dancing the better in the more open dialogue and this is what we see

now we in New Orleans when I coached there believed in depth at running back and having I could go back in year one it was Deuce and Reggie you know at some point Darren Sproles came on board people wouldn't know Mike Bell was our Super Bowl winning team running

primary back with Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. So we've had two or three. What's the vision? I think the number one question that has to be answered always in the offseason. Not with just the new players coming in, but with your current roster, what's the vision going to next year? What's our vision? What's our vision for Pollard?

What's our vision for Z? And if the vision fits where the money's at and where you are as a team, and it's crystal clear, then great. If vision's blurry, then you run into a little, I think you regret things. What do you make of Dallas? It looks like they kind of know what they are. Like they lean into defense. For the record, Dan Quinn does a heck of a job post-half-time.

He does a great job. I like them. There's two teams that, and I'm not talking about Philadelphia, right? They continue to win in defining ways. Minnesota, I had a chance to listen briefly to the end of that segment. But I can't help but coming away. And I felt this way even before yesterday because we have a tendency to move a little bit here. But San Francisco and Dallas, to me, are those next two teams that...

Playmakers. Yeah. And, man, there's nothing like a good defense. and what it can do for your team when you get into certain games. And I know the weather gets colder, but it just travels well. And there's a saying it travels well, and it's true. And so for me, I think Dallas is a team that has a chance to. Was your Super Bowl your best defense?

It was one of our better defenses. It was our number one defense and takeaways. I think we had 37 or 30. We took the ball away at a very high rate. And that's what Dallas does. Dallas does. It's what Dallas did a year ago. So when you could take the ball away like that, Philadelphia is taking the ball away at a high rate right now. That can cover a lot of other issues that you might have as a team. You can play an average game and take the ball away, you know,

2-1 or 3-0 in that margin and win by more than 20 points. But I do feel like watching the 49ers and watching the Cowboys if I was looking at rounding out the NFC. And honestly, by the time we get to when the NFC plays the AFC in that Super Bowl, I think we'll have a team that can compete possibly with the AFC champion. Well, it's interesting. I thought McCaffrey would work. I would have made the deal. I think you have to live in the moment with Garapolo's health, you don't know.

There are certain, I think San Francisco's old left tackle Trent Williams, Garoppolo, health. this team, this collection, this is a Super Bowl team. Let's go for it. Let's live in the moment. That was my takeaway on it. Yeah, and they didn't have a, they didn't. My understanding is, look, when you bundled the picks that were used to acquire McCaffrey, they equated to a late first round pick.

And so, I mean, that, you know, now when you announce it as a two here, a two here, we begin to look at that like a huge package. But I think it amounted to numeric. on the on the on the like our value charts yeah as a late one um what's it like to face mcalfrey well he does so many things well um so i'm sitting on the set yesterday and watching that game live he throws a touchdown pass off the toss sweep and i'm like holy cow right-handed i said he's done it all now i said has he ever thrown a touchdown pass in the nfl and so right away everyone just within eight minutes they come back with the last, the only time he's thrown a touchdown pass was fourth and one against

you at the 50 yard line. And I remembered it. Like, it was like a flashback, but it was a short yardage fourth. And we're going to win this game. We had the better team. So it was one of those games where they played kind of like risk free, let's go. Handed it off to him. And it was a, you know, a pulling guard. And then he jumped up in the air like Tebow. And through the ball to the tight end, who just was completely wide open for a touchdown. Yeah, he does a lot of things well. Here's why I like to move more than anything. For the player, McCaffrey, and for the team,

he doesn't have to take 60 snaps a game there. And I think one of the challenges with a player like Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Camer, or any of these, they want the ball. But I think keeping them healthy for the long haul important. And I think he has a chance to do that when he's in San Francisco. No, he said that he doesn't feel like he'll, he's not a volume player for them. He is a chess piece for a really smart offensive. Yeah, and he comes in and you just listen to him post game.

He's, he's got tremendous football makeup, right? I mean, he's the son of a player's brothers play. And he's unselfish and he can catch the ball extremely well. The catch he made in the end zone was, was, was, oh my God, it was unbelievable. It was pretty good, right? he's a very good route runner so you can put him out and empty and you can you can get some matchups and he's a he's a good running back but you know when when when and those guys we've said this on this show a number of times schematically those guys do as good a job is most in our league at

running the football and then when you give a good runner a good scheme with good personnel that usually I mean when when the tight end and the fullback are both healthy they hit your edges better than anyone finally um Monday night football games. Cleveland, this is a big game for Cleveland. The city of Cleveland doesn't get a lot of standalone NFL games. So when you would coach a Monday night football game, Cincinnati to me has kind of last three weeks has kind of found themselves.

The old line, it was new with Burrow. But this is a division game. So talk about, you've had a few of these. Division game, you're on the road or somebody goes, it's Monday night football. Did they have a playoff field to them? Do they feel different? Yeah, I think Monday Night Football does. I mean, is it odd that both of these teams are orange?

And we're sitting here. Do you think that had anything to do with these teams playing tonight? I think you're right. I have no idea. But anyway, yeah, when you play on primetime, although there are more prime time games, you know, it used to be when you played Monday night, that was the...

Your peers are all watching. That was the... We got the halftime. We didn't get any halftime highlights on Sunday. When we were kids, you got everything in that halftime segment on Monday night football. Right. All right. We have Sunday night football. We have Thursday night football. I think it means a lot, though, when you play Monday night football, and I think when you're playing a night game on

national TV. What do you tell the guys? Yeah, I think, look, and I would say this, you have a team that's kind of on a role and you have another team that's, that backs up again, you know, they're, they've got it. This is a big spot for Cleveland. Two five, two and five. They got to, you start trading players if you, yeah. Because, uh, So I think, you know, I expect to see them play well. Yeah, so do I. It is interesting about the desperation. Sometimes those are the worst teams to play.

There's no question. And you can see it. Look, I don't pay attention to how they do spreads or whatever, but you can see it in the lines. You know, they factor in a lot of different things, home and away, injury. But when you play someone in our business is very important. Yeah. Sean Payton, it's great to see you as oh, happy Halloween.

Happy Halloween. We'll see plenty of orange tonight, huh? It's a big Halloween town. New Orleans is, yeah, absolutely. Well, no, not New Orleans, where you're hanging around now. Oh, really? I've got to go get candy. Oh, believe me.

And just make, I'm not going to be the one that turns the light off and just, you know, acts like I'm not home. And in the basement of the house is watching Monday night football. Perfect. Sean, great scene again, Co. Good scene. guys, thanks for having me home. Well, you bet.

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Philly's won, game one, and they were down big, wanted in the 10th inning. Astros bounced back in game two, and game three is in Philly tonight. Good sports night, right? You got World Series game, Halloween. Philadelphia's crowd. Yeah. Eagles. Juced up Phillies.

You know, didn't she used to live in Philly? I was outside Philadelphia, yes, for about six or seven years. I mean, sports talk radio's big in that city. Like, it's one of the most, arguably the most passionate sports city in America. World Series and Undefeated Eagles. Like, it's a good time to be a Philadelphia sports fan. Colin, who you got tonight? Phillies, Astros.

Well, Astros are the better team. Phillies are the better story, so we're in the story business. Philadelphia wins tonight. Bryce Harper is key. The crowd jumps through the television when you watch this. Nothing against Houston's crowd. But Philadelphia, Houston's been winning for years. Cheating for years.

Come on now. Those are just some of that is innuendo. Just the truth, Colin. Just the facts. Garbage cans involved. Okay. All right. Next up.

Carolina Panthers, listen, this is a great story. So the Panthers are losing to the Falcons. And if you're watching a home, PJ Walker, unquarks what Patrick Mahomes is calling the pass of the year. I mean, this is a bomb. I think 70 air yards to DJ Moore, who celebrates like he won the Super Bowl. Bowl by taking his helmet off. He gets a 15-yard unsportsman-like conduct penalty.

They have to push back the extra point, and this kicker, who, shockingly, was not cut today, misses the extra point. Then in overtime, the kicker had another kick to win the game, and he misses. And now DJ Moore is getting destroyed. He's the reason they lost, Colin. Unprivically, it's not his fault. Well, the kickers got to make the kick. Two chances.

The other thing is, you know what, here's my thing. We've got to allow people. These games are so intense. They're so wild. It's so easy to say watching on television. And I'm not a big celebration guy. But in that moment, that was the craziest game, arguably of the year. One of the best, yes.

Again, Red Zone just went to it. We're just going to feature this game. I have sympathy because there's been a handful of moments in my life where you lose yourself emotionally. That game was nuts. That was the play of arguably the year's ending. the game, potentially. He takes his helmet off, and it's like, you know, he's in this two or three second moment where he loses himself.

You're on top of the world. I mean, you just shut down the entire crowd. This is a team that fired their coach, traded the star franchise guy, and now you come from behind to win it was like a Hail Mary. Somehow they had a linebacker and it looked like a safety on DJ Moore. He blows right past him. Colin, listen, he made a mistake. Yeah, but obvious.

That's obvious. It's a mistake. You can't blame him for the loss. And I heard Chan and Sharp earlier going after. I wouldn't blame him. Come on. I'm not going to blame him for the loss. You've got to know better.

He's been in the league a while. You got to know better. Yes, he made a mistake. But, you know, it is important. Kickers are on teams for a reason. Just make the kicks we ask you to make. And by the way, given he missed an extra point that was pushed back and a field goal. I don't even know if he makes the extra point, this Pinheiro character.

Somehow the Panthers did not cut him today. I saw the interim coach saying, we're not bringing in new kickers. like, sure, anything. But they did cover the spread, which matters more than anything. All right. Finally, boy, Colin, this is crazy. Michigan-Michigan State game got a little crazy in the tunnel afterwards. So for whatever reason, there's only one tunnel that takes both teams off the field.

And Michigan State embarrassed that they got their butts kicked, ended up jumping. Yes, jumping in the tunnel. A player from Michigan, there were actually two guys who got jumped. Here's the other one. I mean, you got like 10 dudes. pounding on guys who are not wearing helmets. So four players of Michigan State have been suspended. Mel Tucker,

the coach called their actions unacceptable, and an investigation is continuing. Jim Harbaugh expects criminal charges to be filed. Like seven minutes ago, I just saw one of these guys has lawyered up and is going after the Michigan State players. It was disgusting.

You're jumping a guy in the tunnel? That's crazy. That's not normal behavior. That should be get your scholarship, Yank. Oh, yeah, I would say that. You do that off the field at a bar? You're done. You're kicked off the team. This is just unacceptable. I felt bad for the dude.

You don't know what triggered it. You know, he may have said something, but still, like Michigan State, get your act together. This is really bad stuff. Can you imagine that how ridiculous that is? We didn't really talk about the game at Michigan, as you've been saying also. They look good. Michigan has separate, Ohio State and Michigan have separated that from that conference. Do not lump Michigan in with Michigan State and Penn State and Wisconsin.

Yeah. This conference now is two heavyweights and a bunch of teams. I know we got to wait until Wednesday for class. to talk college football, but that Ohio State game was pretty fascinating. I think Michigan, this is by, by the way, Michigan should have beaten Penn State by 45 points. Michigan is dominating rivals that two years ago had their number. Yeah. So whatever Harbaugh's done and pivoted off of or into Michigan is, that game two years ago is a go-either-way game, wasn't competitive, Penn State wasn't competitive.

I got to tell you something. I think Michigan's absolutely, absolutely good enough. They'll go in as an underdog to beat Ohio State. On the road, huh? Oh, I absolutely. I think Michigan can play with anybody, including Georgia. A little early for that here. Can I give a shout out to Blake Corum, the Michigan running back?

Wow. Dude, I love a good single-digit running back. They look quicker and tougher. I mean, all he's missing is the half shirt right from the 1980s Miami Hurricanes to really. I mean, that kid, does he get a heistman call to, He's the best player on Michigan by far. The running back, he's awesome. Yeah, first Michigan team that feels like they run to some degree like an SEC team or Ohio State.

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