The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL draft, Chiefs

Episode Date: April 19, 2022

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Yesterday, they announced that you don't have to wear masks on planes, and it's like, all right, you still can, but you don't have to. I didn't think it was that much of a revelation. It was great, because I'm going to Italy here in about three weeks. Apparently, that's just too much for people to handle that they can't control masks or not. You don't have to wear it, or you can't. can, you're not going to get it on, you're not going to get COVID on a plane anyway. That's the way they circulate air. That's not restaurants, low, you know, there's a lot of places to potentially get

it. Plains, I don't think you're in as much danger. So you don't have to wear it or you can. And that just unraveled everybody. I'm not a scientist, nor am I a doctor. But at the point in which nightclubs are open, I feel, now, everybody doesn't go to nightclubs. You know, there's a lot more of a diverse group of people traveling on planes. So you can obviously opt out of going to a nightclub pretty easily. But I don't know. I think just wear one if you want to wear one. Don't wear one if you don't want to wear one.

By the way, stadiums. Stadiums. Jacked. Arenas. Nobody's wearing them. And then now that the Delta says you can, you can't. People get worked up over that. But you know what's going to happen now.

What? Oh, what? Is all the anti-maskers going to start like harassing the people that do wear them? If you want to wear them, wear them, if you don't, don't harass people. People have a right to do whatever they want. Leave people alone and let them live their lives. Yeah. That's a good rule.

That's a really nice rule. Don't be a jerk. Don't be weird. It's two rules that I just try and live by every single day. I don't fail. I don't nail it every time. You eliminated 94% of people on Twitter. They're jerks and weird.

Jerk, don't be weird. By the way, so the Warriors won last night. They look really good. Jordan Poole now is another guy that can shoot. Nicola Yokicch is their MVP-level center. international player. He's lost six straight playoff games and been ejected in two of three.

He's a very, I don't know if you can say this yet, but there is a narrative forming that he's not a playoff guy. He's just a regular season guy. So he does have a skill. Joy talks about this often. Being available is a skill. He's available. In the regular season, seven years, he plays minimum 72 games every year.

That's a big deal in the regular season, especially now that we've kind of normalized stars taking off games when they're like marginally hurt. He's available. And in the regular season, that's a lot of doubles use. He doesn't to me galvanize a team. He doesn't inspire teammates. He's just really talented. I'd certainly like him on my team. I'd rather him be a two than a one. I know that's weird because he's in the MVP, you know, discussion. But we've seen this with Westbrook. Westbrook plays really hard. Like every night, like every possession. That is a huge regular season advantage. But everybody in the playoffs plays really hard.

And so Westbrook would get into the playoffs and his big advantage, he's just too reckless. And in the playoffs, you want more efficient players. That's why Jordan Pool the Warriors. He's so damn efficient. Andrew Wiggins in the Warriors culture, he was never this efficient.

So in the playoffs, you're looking for some different things, some toughness, some physicality, defensive end, every possession counts. Get a bucket, get a stop, guys. I don't know. There is a narrative forming but when I watch the Nuggets play, I feel like they lack leadership, not talent.

I like their coach. I like their players, but they're fighting on the bench. Is Yokic the guy? He's, you know, like Yonis is very playful. Like everybody gets along with Yonis. And in an M. Bid is very playful. Very verbal.

Yokic isn't like that. He's kind of a little bit more insular as a guy. And I'm not blaming him for the loss. But there is this sort of story forming now. He's not built for the playoffs. I don't know if that's true. I have, you know, but he's a different cat. I don't, I just don't feel when I watch Denver, they're cohesive.

I think they unravel very quickly, and that's a problem. Here's Nuggets coach, Mike Malone, after the loss. We can't splinter in adverse times. That's our challenge when things get tough, finding a way to stay the course. Obviously, you're down six at halftime, and then the third quarter, there's just an avalanche. Yeah, and we've seen it back-to-back games. where it just, now some of this is, the Warriors last night, they get into this now with Jordan Pool, they're just going to shoot threes. And a lot of them go in and the game, it goes from you're down

four to you're down 12, boom. So, you know, I'm not, there's not a lot of blame here, but I do not see them as a wildly cohesive team. And again, it's a lot of the same guys. Like, I would get if Philadelphia wasn't cohesive, here comes James Hardin. And then you lose Drummond and you lose curry. And you, like, I would get like Brooklyn not being terrible. cohesive, like Boston should be. We've had Tatum, Marcus Martin, Jalen Brown. We've had those guys together, the big three there for years. Like, you should be cohesive. Warriors should mostly be cohesive. But Denver should too. Come on. We've had the same kind of guys here. They should be, they should not unravel. It's one thing to lose. It's another to unravel. I don't know.

Something doesn't feel right to me in Denver. Dane Bruegler is an NFL writer for the athletic. He has 399 scouting reports. He just stopped one shy of 400. He put his foot down. I'm not doing 400. He's ranked 1,700 players. He is now joining us live. Dane, how are you?

I'm doing well. How are you doing, Colin? Great. I'm going to throw a guy at you. So I had a, let's put up Dane's top 10 picks. So I had a Super Bowl winning general manager who I trust implicitly. And a non-super Bowl GM, but one of the smartest people I've ever met. And they both said, Kenny Pickett had a deep second or a mid-third round grade.

And yet, I see you have him drafted by Carolina at six. Take me through sometimes in the NFL. I told Joy, I said, sometimes you overpay for a car because the alternative is Uber. You got to get to work. Where do your guys, your sources and where do you grade Kenny Pickett? Because I don't see a top 10 player, but I get the position. 100% agree. I think Kenny Pickett, if you're drafting just off of the grade alone, you're looking at him in the second round. I think that's true about all these quarterbacks this year. It's just a wildly different quarterback year than what we saw last year with five quarterbacks in the top 15. But we know quarterback desperation is a very real thing in the NFL,

especially when you look at a team like Carolina where you don't know what's going on with the head coach in terms of Matt Rule long term. We know he's on the hot. seat, but does he feel pressure to get that quarterback? You know, Baker Mayfield's out there, Jimmy Caropolo's out there, maybe more proven options in the short term if they don't want to go that direction. But we've seen it before. Quarterbacks get overdrafted every single year. Liberty's Malik Willis also in this conversation, Desmond Ritter from Cincinnati.

There are a few teams that Atlanta at eight, Pittsburgh at 20. We know quarterbacks are going to go. It happens every single year. These quarterbacks go early. when's that run start and what's the order of these quarterbacks? That's where there's just no consensus when you talk to teams around the league. Let me throw a, I'll tell you two guys I'm worried about. And they're both at their best, amazing.

Kvon Thibodeau from Oregon. So again, he was the number one player in the country. He played up here at Thousand Oaks, just up the road from us. I watched them in Oregon. I saw his tape in high school. But I worry how many great NFL. tackles that he go against in the PAC 12. The conference is as bad as it's been in a decade. He doesn't have the Chase Young presence. He doesn't look as dominating.

I, you know, is he a guy? And again, he's an NFL player. He's twitchy. He's athletic. He's strong. But I do worry a little bit about the great Pac-12. If he was in the SEC, seriously, Dane, I'd be like, go. Is it a legitimate concern? Well, 100%. I agree with you. And it's unfortunate that he was injured for that Ohio State game. We didn't get that on tape to see him go against the Buckeyes tackles, which is unfortunate. But I think you're 100% correct.

Going up against Cal's tackles and beating them like a drum, it's great. But what is that really telling me in terms of how that's going to translate to the next level? So there's a lot to like about Tibido. There's a lot of Judeaubian-Clowny comparisons when you talked about Tibido with teams. He's not that Chase Young, that Miles Ging. Garrett, he doesn't have that type of ceiling. And really, the other conversation with Tibido is just he's so brand conscious. And that's okay.

You know, there's a lot of superstars throughout the league that care about their image and their brand and making money outside of football. But at a certain point, or is that brand awareness going to be above football in the priority list? That's the type of thing that these teams are talking about. And that's why Kavon Tibado just won't be for everybody. I still think he's going top 10. I think the Jets at number four makes a lot of sense as a team that will look past some of those issues

and just want to get a pass rusher in there. So I think the Jets at number four, that might be the perfect landing spot for him. All right, Derek Stingley, the defensive back LSU, two concerns. He didn't make enough plays the last couple years, period. And I know he's great. I always worry when a guy is great early and then production drops off. Second thing is, one of my contacts who I trust close to the program, I asked him about him, and he hymned and he hawed and I thought that's not the answer I'm looking for.

I know he's talented, but boy, Dane, it feels like I'm not getting enough production here. What do I make of him? It's one of those cases where if you flip that 2019 season with the 2021 season, we're talking about Derek Stingley as maybe the number one overall pitch. He was so good in 2019, that LSU's national title run, 21 passes defended, six interceptions. He looked like a future top five pick. Then the last two years, production falls off a little bit. That LSU defense was in shambles, new defensive coordinators each year, and then also the injuries. That was a big part of what happened the last year. And, you know,

talking to Scouts, they come away talking with Derek Stingley that, like, this isn't an alpha. This isn't a guy. This is not Patrick Peterson, who's going to come into your locker room and be the guy. Yeah. But, you know what? If he goes, you know, like Minnesota would be the perfect land. spot for him where he could go, you know, Patrick Peterson's right there. And, you know, he could be that big brother and bring them along to NFL life, that type of thing. But athletically, he has it all. As long as you're okay with the durability, Stingley's still going to go pretty early. I've heard as high as three to the Texans. Houston has done a lot of work on Derek Stingley. Nine to Seattle makes sense. Twelve, I think, would be his floor. So Derek Stingley,

even with those questions, still going to go very high. Okay. Who's the best prospect you've seen on tape and why? Well, it's hard not to go with Aiden Hutchinson. I think he marries a lot of the, you know, NFL scouting motto is traits over production. You know, you're looking for the traits, not necessarily the production. Now, ideally you want both. And I think Aiden Hutchinson does give you both. And that's something that is a strong selling point with him.

It's not a hard sell in a war room to say that Aidan Hutchinson is one of the better players this year, 6.6 and a half, 260 pounds. 16 and a half tackles for loss, 14 sacks, consensus all-American. Is he the same prospect to say like the Bosa brothers? No, he doesn't have the same bend, the same arc acceleration. But I tell you what, you see a lot of the same skilled handplay, the power. And he tested very well. He had the same three cone as Vaughn Miller.

So this isn't a player that doesn't have the athleticism. He does. So I think when you put it all together, and also Scouts have called him the long lost Watt brother. in terms of the way he's wired, his makeup, the competitiveness. This is a guy that's not going on spring break because the whole time he's going to be thinking about this is a lost opportunity for me to get better at football. So when you package all that together, is a strong, easy guy to sell in the war room why he should be the pit.

All right. Dane Bruegler, go to the athletic. He writes for them, put some money down, get him every week. I read him daily. Dane, it's a pleasure to see you again. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. You bet.

So he's got two quarterbacks going. I've said before, I watched all these guys. I watched the Carolina quarterback. I watched Kenny Pickett. Malik Willis is the kid I would draft if I had to. I just think he's got a higher ceiling. He's just big pushes the ball down the field. I don't know if he's ready to play.

I'm not a scout, but that's the kid I would take. Like if I was Seattle, you know, and let's say I want a corner and he's off the board. I want this. They're off the board. And I'm like, I got to get a quarterback soon enough. Or Seattle can take and get one next year. Willis, when you watch him, you're like, there's wow. there's wow. There's not a lot of wow to any of these quarterbacks. He's the only one when he throws the ball. You're like, oh, okay. That's a top 10 arm in the league. Now, is the wow, can you replicate it regularly in the NFL? I don't know. They did it with Josh Allen.

I mean, don't teams draft the same position in back-to-back drafts all the time? Yeah. So why is it outrageous to draft a quarterback in back-to-back years? If you get a guy and you get him in the building, and you see that he's not the guy. Well, the feeling is you can only play one. So like corners, you need six in a roster. So if you draft him and he's not a one, he's a two, you can still play him. But it's the main position you have to nail. There's no question. Listen, I thought he said something very interesting.

You're drafting traits, not production. Now, then just think about that. That would be like, I've always struggled a little bit with this. So what, like, for instance, years ago, there was always this feeling. You look for value in the draft. takeaway is, no, I'm going to draft for need. So like if my wife said, go to the store and get milk and I came back with a rake. And she said, we have a rake. And I said, I know, but it was on sale. The value of the rake was fantastic. Milk wasn't on sale. She'd say, get in the car, go back to the

store and get milk. So I never buy this. And coaches, even Belichick says this. I don't even know you're talking about value. We draft for value. We don't draft for. Bill Belichick draft for need. I need a running back. Draft a running back. Yeah, I think value should be the last. thing that you draft on. I think you should draft on talent. And need. And need. I need a running back. I'm going to draft one. But sometimes you might need something, but the talent is, that's what Cincinnati did. Now, no, we're not saying. Cincinnati needed an offensive lineman, but the talent was greater with Jamar Chase.

That's right. And sometimes you feel you can get your need later. Right. Like Jamar Chase is one of one. Let's just get him. And Cincinnati did the right thing. Their takeaway was the league is changing. Years ago, you take the tackle to protect your quarterback. We're just, there's no other Jamar Chase. And by the way, all these teams know next year's draft already. So there's no receiver in this draft that was as close to Jamar Chase, whereas there were tackles in this draft that were as good. So the Bengals takeaway was, we can't get in the next two years, Jamar Chase. We can get tackles who were similar, so it was the right move. That's also kind of how the draft goes, right? Like you're getting your

high talent guys early, then you're getting need. And when you get into the later rounds and you're getting value. But the other thing, so the value need thing, I was always like, if I need something, I need something. Right. I'm not going to just get value. I need. I need. I need. I need. need something. If I have a great right tackle, I'm not drafting another tackle, even if I can steal him by 12 picks. The other thing is traits over production. That's another one. So NFL guys, remember, 30% of the first round drafts are busts. Okay. So when you go traits, what if you have great traits, but you're not productive? My takeaway is, why aren't you productive? That's like saying, prime example. Let's say I had a great voice. I don't. Let's say I did. Let's say I looked like

George Clooney. But every show I was on, I didn't get ratings. I didn't resonate with the audience but I had great traits I have a pointy nose average voice not much to look at but you and I do a show and it sells people hang with us people watch it

okay my traits aren't very good yeah I don't have good traits but you can look at guys from smaller schools that haven't had the highest level of production or haven't necessarily translated to winning that get into the NFL and our very I don't like trait guy.

I work with a million. You work with people. There are certain traits that I do think you have to have. Like what? You got to show up for work. That is a big one in my world. Yeah, because you can't do it on Monday through Friday show if you show up on Saturday and nobody's here. Correct.

So you got to show up. You have to be on time. You have to get along with people. Yeah. You have to be smart and prepared. Oh, cancels me out. No, seriously. Like those are traits that I think you do have to have.

But I don't like, I'm not a big trait. believer. I don't know. You're a trait believer when it came to Baker and Mansell and Cam and James. No, well. Are you talking about character over trait? Well, that's a different argument. So there's the value need. I'm a need guy. Now, by the way, I'm not talking about traits. You're talking about like physical on the field. Character is separate from that. If you go to Alabama for three years and have nine catches, I'm not drafting you. So you're talking about, give a rip about your traits. You don't make any plays. I want people who make plays. I hear you. A lot of people are supposed to be great. They look like Clooney. They can't act. I want people that go to a theater and people pay a ticket to watch and perform.

I don't know what Don Cheatel and Ed Norton and Michael Keaton's traits are. They're productive. They're in films. The films better. There's a million good-looking people in Hollywood. I wouldn't open my drapes to watch them if they were acting in the backyard. But everything that you're talking about is why normally successful organizations that are successful year after year.

year have very strict criteria for the type of player that they draft. I would be a terrible guy in an NFL room because I would be arguing with the trait guy and I'd blow up the whole meeting. He doesn't make any plays in college. How do you draft him? Well, there's traits. He's got a good waste. Yeah, it's not working against Georgia.

I'm not interested. I'm not into the trait. I just not into people who are supposed to be great. Be great. Then I'll draft you. Villanova guys So what kind of space do you leave for development? Well, I mean, like everybody else, if you see talent, but by the way, like Jordan Poole.

Right. But the Warriors got him 28th pick. So there were some, like, you know, you do ask questions, like, is he a good kid? Like, you know, like you said, I think the traits that matter are like, hey. But to my, to why I brought that up is like you have organizations like the Spurs who are notorious for development. You have organizations like the Heat who are notorious for development. The Warriors who develop players, who find players to take players lower than other teams would and turn them into stars and significant role players.

But they have very strict criteria. They're not going to get sold on something that doesn't fit what they do. I think it's my point. I'm not saying I ignore traits. But I don't brag about your traits. Give me your production at some level you've got to get past people and get. the sack. You know, because then all of a sudden, if it's just a trait, so I guess what I'm saying is

I want production 70 traits 25. And I think scouts look at the opposite. I'm not interested in, you know, the guy's got everything that works. And I'm like, yeah, and he had like two sacks in 12 games. So that means now I put pressure on my coaches to extract all this talent. Like, what if that coach is off my staff in two years because he gets a head coaching job? Yeah. And then I have to go find the.

coach, because every coaching staff in the NFL has one or two guys, McVeigh, his offensive coordinators all get jobs and they all kick butt. So every coach has a genius. But if I'm like Dante Scarnaccia for years, stayed in New England. Every offensive lineman worked. He's rare. Most of guys like him go get a head coaching job. So if I'm drafting traits over production, I need the right coach that extracts that.

And those people are mobile. They're moving. I don't have all those guys. How many times do you lose a great employee and you hire an equal? It's hard. Those guys are moving around all the time. You're losing them. So, I don't know.

I'm ranting here. You know, if you walk up to me and tell me you're about traits, though, we're going to have. What do we say yesterday? I'm all about that. No. That's not good there? You're adding a lot to this. One more herd?

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Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

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What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode

where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years. from black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Saturday, USFL action continues on Fox at noon eastern, the Pittsburgh Mallors Battle the Philadelphia Stars. Then at 7 Eastern, the Birmingham Stallions take on Kevin Sumlin's Houston Gamblers on FS1. That was a game last night. Didn't your Pittsburgh team get whacked? Yeah. Campa crushed them, rolled them.

Not a good night for the mallers. didn't have the smoke or weren't up for the smoke. Listen, it takes me a while. I apologize. This is my fault. No, they lost 17-3. The game was, the game was postponed. It was supposed to be played on Sunday, but because of weather, they postponed it to last

night, and it was not a good night. It snowed somewhere yet this weekend. Yeah. Well, it's snowing in Pittsburgh right now. My family's down. They said it's snowing. Wow. Yeah.

Midwest, it's snowing right now. Because the snow. Oh, don't now. I apologize for that. That's how the weather is in the spring in the Northeast. It's very weird. No, no, I lived there. It's weird.

You remember one time this true story, opposed to all the ones I make up, it was a true story. It was October in Connecticut, and we had a massive, shocking snowstorm. Well, because the leaves weren't off the trees yet, the trees collapsed on the power lines. Because usually snow comes in December, the leaves are gone. but the leaves were on the trees because they were so heavy

they were so heavy they collapsed and the state lost power the state lost power yeah you don't want to lose power in a snowstorm I stayed in a hotel for seven now the good news is it was funny you got kids you're in a hotel it's mayhem

we were going to museums we'd never go to you're trying to but yeah you do you do I mean Connecticut was a random weather state yeah it'll be 80 degrees on the weekend and then snow the next week yeah joy with the news No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Well, speaking of draft philosophies, every team uses undrafted players in the NBA, but the heat have found success with a lot of theirs. And head coach Eric Spolstra embraces the fact that they find talent off the board. He said it's an organizational philosophy of ours. We've done it now for several years. We know what we're looking for.

We're not for everybody, but we love to be dreammakers. Oh, I like to hear that. Well, it also helps that Spolster and Pat Riley are geniuses. So it does help when you have a great coach to develop it. And one of the best, I mean, Riley is in my lifetime. It's a short list. He is in that Nick Saban coach, Kay, sort of, he sees the world a little differently. He sees around corners.

And he's just been in the sport forever and has had success in many different spaces. Have you seen how well he's aged? Yes. It's discouraging. Yes. Pat Riley has aged very well. I saw him at a fight not long ago. I went home and sulked.

It's so good. Paralli's a very intimidating person. I was, I just, it was discouraging. I was like, I wish you looked older. He does not. Have you watched winning time? I have, yes.

Did you watch this weekend? No, I couldn't last night. Oh, yeah, it was too much going on. You got to watch today. Now, what's happening? I get Celtics. You get the introduction of Larry Bird. So what's tonight on television?

I lean for, you're my TV guy. There's more, uh, so is the Celtics, more games, Celtics nets tonight? Cause I, today is Hawks Heat and then Timberwolves,

Grizzlies, and then you have Pelicans sons tonight. I mean, I'll sneak it in tonight. I mean, you could watch it after Pelican suns. They're going to, they're going to blow them out.

You go to sleep. But yes, to your point, Pat Riley, and he is great in, in winning time. Miami currently uses Max Drew, Stunkin Robinson,

Gabe Vincent, and Dwayne, regularly. Also, obviously, Eudanus Haslam and Haywood Highsmith are still, you know, on the roster. Kyle Coosma and LeBron were tweeting about the heats undrafts of talent during game one. Cooze said, Miami will find you and develop you.

Duncan, Struce, Vincent, and LeBron responded, facts, player developments, there is damn good. Yeah, no, it's not a shock that really smart people with a history of doing this, do it again and again and again. Well, this is what we were just talking about. Like, they have a thing. They have a good strong culture, but they also have a philosophy for the kind of player that they want to bring in. The Spurs do this.

They have a notorious list. Obviously, the Golden State Warriors do this. So think about this. Ideally, you know, the coasts are where the glamour and money is in America, right? Right. It's where Wall Street, Silicon Valley, blah, blah, blah. There is one team on the Eastern Seaboard that wins a lot of championships and also does this. Miami.

Why? Philly doesn't historically. Washington doesn't. Celtics do a little bit, but don't get the titles recently. Again, it all goes back to Riley. By the way, Riley found Spolstra, who was a tape guy in Portland and gave him the opportunity. So to me, it goes back to Riley is the architect of this whole thing and that he's aged well and not a shock that they keep doing it. I mean, he found, nobody else was offering Spolstra a head job except Riley. But I think you also really have to have the trust in those people. Like you have to empower the right people if you're an organization. That's what the Rams do so well. It's what any organization that consistently wins does. You have to delegate to the right people.

Also smart people can spot smart people. Sean McVeigh keeps finding these great young assistants. Andy Reid historically. So Riley found Spolster before the rest of the league did. So it's like, by the way, how many core? coordinators has Nick Saban found. Like, you know, when nobody wanted Lane Kiffin, Saban said, yeah, he's annoying.

Give me Lane Kiffin. Well, Lane Kiffin now is one of the best offensive coaches in the sport. I mean, we're not giving Bill Belichick any credit anymore, apparently. But Bill Belichick got all kinds of assistants had jobs and still had a dynasty for 20 years. Yeah. Smart people find smart people. Yes. And when you have the foundation, you can do that.

So there's been a good amount of Westbrook trade speculation, and it is sure to continue this off season. Mark Stein reported last week that the Hornets might be interested in a Westbrook trade for Gordon Hayward or Terry Rozier. But Stein went back on his own claim saying it's since been conveyed to me that the Lakers have more boundaries than advertise when it comes to weighing Westbrook trades. One league source said that injury histories would be a prime consideration in any deal, given how injuries have so routinely intruded on the last two seasons for both 37-year-old LeBron and 29-year-old Anthony Davis. This is something we talked about, Joy.

You cannot set. Anthony Davis on paper looks like a perfect fit. Right. But he and Kauai Leonard, you can argue, are the worst fit for an old LeBron. He needs guys like, he needs a Jordan Poole. I'm going to get, he needs a Yokic. I need 70 games out of him. So you look at players and you think, oh, I would love the way.

Now, I'm not saying Anthony Davis doesn't play well with LeBron, but LeBron now is going to play 59 games and be great in all of them. Right. But you're not giving you 70 or. or 80. So you have to find, that's why LeBron has to come to terms with, hey, I don't love young guys, but I got to pivot to comfort with younger, healthier players. I don't know what other option he has, but it also seems more and more like they're not interested in moving off Anthony Davis, that they're going to try and run this back again. But if you're putting limitations on who you're willing to take for Russell Westbrook, isn't that going to make things extremely difficult as well,

considering how Westbrook's season went, and he's set to make 47 million next year. Oh, oh. So he said that Stein said the ideal scenario would be for the Lakers to turn Westbrook's contract into two or more veterans. Yeah. Offball guys that can play with LeBron when he has the ball.

Yeah. But he's still going to have Anthony Davis. Well, okay. I just, to me, I don't, I know it sounds outrageous, the idea of moving off of Anthony Davis, but if he's not available, what is the point?

Okay, so I'll throw you what I would do. Now, I'm not saying this is all possible. I would trade Westbrook, if possible, to the Pacers, get Buddy Heald and Malcolm Brogden, off ball players for LeBron. It may not be possible. I would do that. They're kind of in a rebuild.

Then I would bring Anthony and those two players, Anthony back, Anthony Davis, and I would let him have a nice six weeks next year. Because right now the confidence on him, so I'd cross my fingers, and if he can give me six to eight, weeks of production, you go to LeBron and say, dude, it's going to break down, buy low, sell high. And I would move him around the trade deadline if he's healthy, because he's going to have value

now. I mean, because you watch Anthony Davis when he's healthy. Yeah, of course. And then you go to somebody and say, hey, we're going to move off him. And by the way, you can say this on the phone. LeBron's old. We got to have healthy guys with him. Other teams that have young rosters may not need Anthony to give them 80 games.

They can say, hey, well, just take him when he's healthy. So like Phoenix has a super young roster. So when Chris Paul, whose older gets hurt, they're fine with it because they're roster so Milwaukee. Yeah. Certain rosters don't need a guy for 80. What they want is his ability in big spots situationally. So I would move Westbrook's toxicity now, get off ball players, and then I would just

cross my fingers on AD. I do think he'll come in better shape and move him next year before the trade. And drive his price up. Yeah. So Jimmy Garoppolo's future. still remains in the air. Albert Breer reported that it could come down to what the Panthers do with their number six pick because he believes that the Panthers take an offensive tackle with the number six pick that could leave the door open to them trading for Jimmy G.

So they had a bunch of this year's draft quarterbacks in this year for visits, so nothing's guaranteed. They also have Sam Darnold. There's been some talks about Baker Mayfields. I don't, I mean, he's owed 24.2 million next season and it's, you know, obviously a cap hit for the 49ers as well. The Panthers don't pick again until the fourth round. They also have a fifth, sixth, and seventh pick. I don't know if I would do this if I was the Panthers. I think that similar to what you're saying about Anthony Davis,

at this point you might as well hold on to Jimmy G until the season when someone gets injured and, you know, get more value out of him there. I still maintain that they're holding onto Jimmy G because they're not sure about Trey Lance because you know what Jimmy G is at this point. he is a big habit for you. So why are you keeping him? You got him for a second round pick.

Can't be too greedy here. So I think that the situation with the Niners is very curious. Obviously, Jimmy G has value around the league, but everyone's sort of settled now, except for the Seahawks, which they're not going to send him to the Seahawks and Carolina, which I believe will probably take a quarterback. Yeah. But how things play out throughout the rest of the offseason and camp,

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Our jobs mostly to add some sort of content. context to what we see on TV. You tune in. Hopefully, Joy and I provide some of that, not overreact, not underreact. Listen, when Tyreek Hill got traded from the chiefs, everybody kind of went, oh, my God, I can't believe it. And I was shocked that a wide receiver would go for five picks. Randy Moss went for one.

It wasn't even a good pick. So when Tyreek Hill went for five picks, I was like, whoa, most of the media has now given the crown to Miami. and Andy Reid talked about, yeah, we're going to be okay, we're fine, he was great, now we don't have him. I don't think it'll be significantly different. It'll be similar to what we did in the games that Tyree couldn't play in. You know, there are certain things that he did very well that we'll have people try to fill in those spots, but without force and anything. We normally, what we do on this is we try to play to the player's strengths

on the best we can. So we'll see with some of the new guys what they can do. And then we'll work around that. By the way, when Green Bay loses Devante Adams, and get anything for him, he's left. Where to go? Kansas City got five draft picks. Five.

over the last 10 years, they draft very well. So they're going to be fine. Miami, going to have major expectations with him. We don't know if their quarterback or their head coach is the guy, suboptimal ownership and Buffalo's in the division. So they're not favored to win the division. Kansas City still favor to win the division. They had a winning record when Tyreek Hill didn't play.

And their GM owner quarterback coach are all A to A plus. So let's not go crazy. When is the last time a team won a Super Bowl that you said this about? Yeah, I don't know if the coach is going to work. I'm not sure if I like the quarterback, but man, they got the fastest receiver. That never wins a Super Bowl. Look who ends up.

It's the coach. It's the quarterback. It's a pass rusher. So let's not go crazy here. He didn't just leave. You got a ton of money off the book. and you got five draft picks, including, I believe, a first rounder. So I like Philadelphia this year.

Joey and I were talking about the draft earlier. I like drafting production more than just traits. Traits matter, right? Like you want somebody that likes to work. But it's interesting that Quinn Snyder and Nick Nurse are mentioned for the Lakers jobs. and one of the reason I think Quinn Snyder and Toronto's coach, Nick Nurse, are up for the Lakers job, is because I think Toronto and Utah have ceilings. Toronto's been good forever.

Utah's been seemingly good forever. But, you know, Utah has to get international players or hit home run drafts, you know, mostly because they don't attract free agents, sort of like the Packers. And Toronto's got the taxes geographically isolated, cold weather. It's a winter league to begin with. But it's interesting watching this series. This is a great example of Toronto does so many things right. They're committed.

They defend. They're coachable. And Philadelphia has just got just a couple of guys that are way better than their players. Like James Hardin is now just a facilitator in this series. And as I watch this series, it makes me really think Darry, the GM for the Sixers. he kind of I'm not saying he took Brooklyn for a ride but they don't miss Andre Drummond and they don't miss Curry and Ben Simmons wasn't playing and he's still not playing the bottom line they didn't want to give up Thibel and they didn't want to give up Maxie and Maxie's good like they're like right now

hardens a facilitator in the series and they've had two blowout wins so this is a prime example of You know, that Ben Simmons thing, I was wrong on this. I told Darry, get rid of him. He was patient, patient, patient, patient, waited. He got Brooklyn to buy in. Brooklyn's getting nothing out of it. You can't have drumming on the floor late. Simmons isn't playing.

Curry is not delivered in the playoffs. Who cares about draft picks? In the end, they got hardened. And hardened to his credit is a smart enough player. He can drive me nuts. But he understands Maxie. And Maxie is like emerging as a hyper-e athletic kid and, you know, Hardin can score, but he's been a really good facilitator in the first

two games. So, you know, I just, I'm watching Philadelphia and I'm like, I thought they won the trade. I said, give me a star. I'll figure out everything else out later. But you watch them, they got no ceiling. Boston's got a ceiling. I think Miami does. A lot of teams have a ceiling. They are really interesting. Their issue is, I don't know if they can get this stuff conjoined in time, the chemistry. You know, their bench isn't great. I can live without a great bench. I mean, if you can get to the, if you're good enough to get to a conference finals, I don't think the bench is the difference.

So it's, but I'll say this. When Philly made that move, everybody thought it was like an even deal. Like everybody was like, well, draft picks, who cares? Ben Simmons, they say he's healthy. Drummond's good player, but you don't want him on the floor late. Curry hasn't done anything. I don't know. I think Philadelphia is pretty good.

I think Philadelphia is an absolute handful. And they can't wait to watch them play. I think they'll wrap up this series. But I also think that the Nick Nurse thing is real. I think there's, I think he knows it. Pascal Seyakum. They have to end home runs in the draft as well. They have to find gems because they're too good to get a top 10 pick like Utah.

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