The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL draft, Harden, QB

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

There isn't a breakout star in this upcoming NFL draft James Harden is playing like he's the 3rd best player on the Sixers The factors that make a great QB Guest: Greg OlsenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Tuesday. We're live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. It is not a glamorous draft. I think there's one really first round quarterback, Malik Willis. He feels like a mid to a later first round quarterback. There's something there. He's dynamic. It's funny. I think I said this yesterday in the show. When Lamar Jackson went late in the first round, there were questions about how, refined was he and was he prepared?

And I think he started for like two or three years and starred in the ACC. Malik Willis has played against two Division I teams. So, you know, you can play or you can't. And I think Malik Willis is a first round talent. I also think he's really good at the podium, really good kid, really good at the Combine, blah, blah, blah. Mar Jackson won the Heisman. Yeah, so that you, that, but everybody was.

Not that means you're automatically going to. have wild success in the NFL, but I feel like he played the position enough. Yeah, yeah. It is, it's not a great first round. It's not, again, second, third, five, everybody that I talk to in this space says, you know, mid-second through mid-fifth, you're going to run out of players at about the top of the fifth round. You're not going to have a lot of late draft gems. You're not going to find a Richard Sherman in the fifth or sixth round, but they always do. I don't know.

I think this draft could be a sneaky one. We all keep talking about how there's no stars. and, you know, everyone's going to get overdrafted. I mean, if I was in this draft, I would be like, okay. Yeah. You're not going to get, I will say this. Kenny Pickett the quarterback at Pittsburgh to me has the potential to be over drafted. Just because I think he's a, I don't see it.

I mean, I did during the season, I'm kind of like, okay, that's a NFL quarterback. And maybe he is a lower tier one. I think his success is very much going to depend on where he goes. Not that they all don't, but like he's not someone I think that could overcome some early turmoil. Whereas Malik Willis has shown he at least has the raw talents that he could make some things happen, I think. So with quarterbacks, it always matters where you go.

I would just, if Kenny Pickett's going to have some success, he's going to have to go to a really stable place. So in the NBA, the Celtic sweep, the nets deserved all of it. I always joke about the NBA coach of the year. The NBA treats its coaches horribly. I mean, every time you win coach of the year, it just means you're two years away from being fired. You think the NFL moves off their coaches.

The NBA, not only does it move off its coaches, they have no power when they coach. Steve Kerr is in a very unique situation where he and the best player are really, really tight, and that they built the culture in San Francisco with Dre and Clay and Steph. Everybody's got Kerr's back. He can bark at him. It works. It's rare. So now everybody wants to get rid of Steve Nash and Brooklyn.

And I do think he was out-coached. But Kevin Durant said, oh, boy, has a lot. It hasn't been easy here. Steve's been dealt a crazy hand the last two years. He's been, I have to deal with so much stuff as a head coach, first time coach, and trades,

injuries, you know, COVID, just a lot of stuff he had to do with. And I'm proud of how he just focus and his passion for us. And, you know, we all,

you know, continue to keep developing over the summer. I see what happens. So I know, Steve, he's one of the smartest guys that's ever played in the NBA. Super bright, quick learner. If you just take a step back, his first year, he dealt with injuries to both Kady and Kyrie. This year, he had his second best player, couldn't play home games, and James Hardin quit

on the team. Both years got him to the playoffs. So outside of the Lakers and maybe counting the Lakers, it's the highest maintenance team in the league. I mean, you've got VACs issues, you've got Ben Simmons issues, you've got. You got a player quit issue. No Lakers are quitting. It's a mess.

Now, if you're Steve Nash's agent or Steve Nash, you can say, okay, find a comparable mess in this league. I got players quitting. I got players that won't play. I got guys that won't get vaxed. I think the Lakers are all vaxed. I think in L.A., you could still have played. In New York, you couldn't. It's a mess.

And he could make this argument. Last year, with no bench, no kiree, and no real size to match up. with Janice. They came with a foot of getting to Eastern Conference Finals. Remember this play? Kevin Durant shoots that ball. We think it's a three. If this counts as a three, it's an inch. If that's a three, they can get to the Eastern Conference Finals. It's ruled a two, appropriately ruled a two. So the argument for Steve Nash is, did he get out coached in the Boston series? Yes, he did, badly. But he's dealing with a lot. The Nets have no continuity. So you want to blow the staff up and do it again?

Katie likes him. I mean, I'll say this about Steve. Incredibly high emotional quotient. Like, he really has never, like, gone sideways with this mess. Think a little bit about Eric Spolstra. So Eric Spolstra worked in a tape room for years. Then he was on the bench and his assistant. And then he got the Miami job and people are like, who's Eric Spolstra?

And with Dwayne Wade in his prime, in a bad division and a really weak conference, First two years with D. Wade, one and done. And the East was weak. One and done. Then he gets the best player in the world easily LeBron with the Wayne Wade and they get a 25-10 guy, Chris Bosch, and they look like they get totally flummoxed in the finals against a one-star Dallas Maverick team.

Nobody got fired. It's just like, do you think Spolster is smart? Yeah. Do you think he'll get better? Yeah. And today I'd make an argument. Spolster's as good as any coach in the league. I mean, certainly my guys are all like, that's the guy.

So, I mean, is Steve Nash smart? Yeah. Is Eric Spolster smart? Yeah. Can they get better? Yeah. Does Nash have the appropriate experience? No.

But, you know, this is a franchise. It's got no continuity. We talk about this with the Lakers all the time. Okay, fire Vogel. What are you on your fifth coach in 12 years? I mean, at some point, you can keep blaming the coach. So, I mean, I kind of look at this stuff. It's also, it's not a very attractive job.

The Celtics, attractive job. don't run through coaches. You had a star in Jason Tatum who's just going into his prime. I've got Jalen Brown and Marcus Smart. Those dudes play hard every night. And it's an organization that has a history, a drafting well, Brad Stevens on the front office. You trust his brain power. So, you know, it's, I thought Nash got out coached. Yeah, it was a, you know, it was his second year. And I think the more experienced coach in Boston who spent more years on the bench. And by the way, used to coach in Brooklyn so it knows all about KD. They attacked him the right way.

But I don't know what Brooklyn's going to get because I've got to tell you right now, you're going to inherit the Kyrie contract potentially, Ben Simmons, and that ain't great. I mean, I contend the only way to solve this is for Kevin Durant to go upstairs and come to a kind of a resolution with the owner and the GM and just say, we've got to move off Kyrie. We just can't do this. I'm not going to do this again.

I can't go into a season with Ben Simmons question marks and Kyrie's kind of lack of dependability. Can't do it. So that's where you're at. I will say this about the Sixers situation. It's kind of funny. So I like Philadelphia to win this series. I thought it was going to be at one point a sweep.

And then there, you know, and Bede's got a banged up thumb. And the questions are mostly about James Harden what to do. Well, what's happened to James Harden is all the conversations now are, becoming what James Harden used to be and what James Harden used to do. And we've got to be honest here. That's not what he is right now. He partied hard. He closed the nightclubs.

And that's fine. He's got that right. He's also made between shoe deals and contracts, I think, about $300 to $400 million. He's good. He's got a scoring title. He's been like in the MVP conversation. Does he have an MVP? May, may not.

I forget. I don't keep too much track. But I mean, he's had a great life. He is not the player he was a couple years ago, but he plays hard. he shows up, he gives you 18, and he can facilitate. But there's an argument to be made that's pretty clear that Maxi, Tyrese, Tyrese Maxie's an ascending player and really good, really fast, and has exploded since the trade deadline.

Like he didn't average much last year. He was really good early. Now he's exceptional. And we thought when Hardin came over, it was going to be Joe L.M.B. won, and then James Hardin 1B. and what we're finding is James Hardin this morning is the three. Embed's the one, Maxie's the two, and Embeds the three. And that's the reality of it.

So if you kind of look at what Hardin is, how you live your life will eventually catch up to you. Some age well, some age quickly. And, you know, I think we all, you know, Joe L. M. B talked after the game, hey, I need more from James Hardin. This kind of may be it. as Maxi is ascending, this may be it. 18 and a half and facilitate. Here's Ambide. I've been saying all season since he's down here,

you know, you just need to be aggressive and it needs to be himself. You know, that's not really my job. You know, that's probably on coach to, you know, talk to him and tell him to, you know, take more shots. You know, the other thing is at his peak, we talk about this with Debo Samuel. Like he plays hard. And the Niners lean into that physical style.

James Hardin at his peak was playing every night, ISO basketball, drawing contact to get to the free throw line. It was a physical game. He has a big kind of round body. Like he liked the physicality. He wanted you. It's the opposite of the John Morant body. He would rather avoid contact.

James leaned into it for like seven, eight years. And it just looks like he's aged really fast. So can they win with him being the third best player on this team? Yeah, I don't think it's the end of the world. I think the injury to Embed concerns me more about Harden being the three on this team. That's what really concerns me. But Maxi has become really good, really fast. He's exploding.

And right now, he's there too. And it's not close. Like, he's there too. He's a better defensive two. He's a twitchier two. He's a more athletic two. He's a more energized two. And right now he's scoring like a two.

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At 4 Eastern, the Tampa Bay Bandits take on the Houston gamblers, then the Birmingham Stallions battle the New Orleans Breakers. Greg Olson, 14 years in the NFL, multiple-time Pro Boulder, first tight end in NFL history to get three straight thousand-yard receiving seasons. He is now a podcaster and a Fox Sports NFL analyst. He is joining us. So, by the way, you just had my buddy Russell Wilson on a podcast. So I contend the Stafford thing worked magic fast. Brady pretty fast. I think Russell Wilson is going to work in Denver. Like lightning quick.

Tell me I'm wrong. What do you make of it? No, I don't think you're wrong. I think I first of all, I love Nathaniel Hackey. I think he's, he's an absolute stud. I got to spend, I got to know him a little bit from his time in Green Bay

and then I saw, I connected with him again a few weeks back down at the owner's meeting. I just, the way he sees the game, the way he wants to play offensive football, you bring in a guy like Russ, and it's a perfect marriage. It's a perfect match and kind of how they see the

game and how they want to their identity of the offense and just the identity of the team. And that's really what Russ has been searching for. You know, he wants to be a quarterback-driven team, a quarterback-driven offense, a past-driven offense. And he's going to get his chance. I mean, you mentioned those other guys that, you know, changed sceneries and took great careers and even elevated them, Stafford and Brady. And there's no reason to think, I'm with you, there's no reason to think that that Russ

can't have a similar first year and, you know, rattle off, you know, a really successful kind of second chapter out there in Denver. You know, Greg, we've had housing bubbles and stock market bubbles and tech bubbles. And I look at the wide receiver payments over the last couple of months. And I think, do we have a wide receiver bubble? You know, Jags, dolphins, you know, some of these teams that have not been brilliantly run, whereas Green Bay and Kansas City are like, no, we're not going to pay that for a wide receiver. And part of me just instinctively is like, you know, the Raiders paid a lot.

and the Jags and the Dolphins and the Giants have paid a fortune. And I'm like, I'm not trying to be cynical, but do you think it could be a little bit of, you know, you watch Burrow and Stafford and the Super Bowl? And everybody's like, man, it's these offenses. We got to keep up. Are we in a wide receiver bubble, maybe a tad? You know, I think what teams are seeing is if they feel like they don't have the top tier, right, the Mahomes, the Rogers, you know, to two teams who just let their number one receiver just walk.

you know, in Tyreek and Devante Adams, I think some teams that when you feel like you have Patrick Mahomes and you have Rogers and you almost feel like you can get away with maybe having maybe a slightly, you know, one step down from the quote unquote elite top guy because the quarterback is so good, he can elevate the play around them. You know, you mentioned Jacksonville. They kind of went crazy and through the whole wide receiver market kind of out of whack, which is what's made Debo Samuel and Tyreek and all these guys want new money.

You know, they're trying to say, okay, we might not have that marquee guy or maybe we have a young quarterback who we're not paying a lot like in Jacksonville, we can afford for a few years to maybe overspend on talent around the quarterback to elevate the play of the quarterback. And then if you're, you know, the idea is you want to be one of the marquee teams with Aaron Rogers or Brady where that quarterback elevates the play of everybody else around them and you don't necessarily have to pay top dollar for every skill position in the huddle. So I think that's kind of the, the two issues that you're seeing play out and why some franchises are taking one approach. and others that don't have Brady and Rogers and Patrick Mahomes taking another.

What people are finding, though, I heard your thing, what you talked about in Miami, and I think it's a perfect example. If you have Tua, and he's a completion guy, short passes, get the ball out of his hand, what do you need? You need run after the catch. They say, all right, who's the best run after catch, most dynamic guy with the ball in his hand? You know, you'd say Debo Samuels in that picks. And of course, you know, Tyreek Hill, they go out, they trade five picks for him.

it elevates the play of the quarterback that they have coming back. So I think there's circumstances of the team and the organization that dictates why certain teams take different approaches. Take me into the mind of a pro athlete. So as a tight end, you were a blocker, and that can limit your future. You get hurt by about year seven, eight, you got injuries. So Debo Samuel, it was a little bit erratic. He could be good.

He could disappear. And the Niners are like, listen, we want to make him productive every Sunday. So we're going to also implement him into our run game and passing, and he becomes way more consistent and he pops. But he's sitting there thinking, I take a lot of hits. Take me into the mind of a pro athlete and Debo Samuel now thinking, I know it's better for the team, but it's not better for me. Is that selfish?

Do you understand how he thinks your takeaway? Yeah, you know, I'd be curious if Debo got the contract that he wants, right? he wants to be paid like a top-tier wide receiver. Not necessarily a top-tier running back, although McCaffrey and Camaro, those guys, yes, the top-tier running backs do make good money, but they're not making wide receiver money. So first and foremost, if I'm him,

it's like years back when Jimmy Graham, and even this year there was conversations about whether Gassiki down in Miami would challenge, you know, the franchise number of a tight end versus the franchise number of a wide receiver because of the different roles they played within the offense. If I'm Debo, I want to make, sure that the 49ers don't try to attach a contract to me.

That's more running back than it is wide receiver because, as we said before, the receiver market is just exploding. Now, if he could get paid like a receiver, I don't think he would have any issues. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think he has any issues with his usage. Guys like him, they want the ball. So whether it's a short little screen or a toss in the backfield or a traditional handoff, him with the ball is in everybody's best interest, him, the team, everybody. but he just wants to make sure that, okay, if you're going to line me back up there at running back,

and I'm going to run between the tackles and you're going to toss me the ball, you're not going to pay me like one. You're still going to pay me like a wide receiver. And if you do that, I'll line up anywhere. To me, that's the mentality. And, you know, now, whether that's his exact approach or whatnot, I haven't seen him really complain about his usage as much as my understanding is more he doesn't want the team to pigeonhole him and say, well, you're kind of a more of a running back

than you are a traditional Devante. Adams type receiver. I think that's the sticking point that they're going to have to figure out. But if they get that part right, I don't think he's going to have any issue lining up wherever Shanahan wants him. So Green Bay is a really good team, but they are not, they don't stack up at the wide receiver spot nearly as much as the teams like the Rams or the Buccaneers and the NFC or several AFC teams. And so they're going to have to find somebody in the draft. They got Amari Rogers last year at a Clemson. He just didn't do much. You tell me, go back to your rookie year in the NFL. Can you expect, because they also want a tight end, by the way, there's

rumors they want Darren Waller. You tell me if the Packers use a first round pick and they get a tight end or they get a wide receiver. Go back to your rookie year. How much can you expect? I mean, Aaron Rogers, I've seen trust issues. Like, you know, like he's going to wait for you to prove that he can rely on you. Can they solve their issues in the draft, do you think? Well, first off, if they somehow pull it, I don't know why the Raiders. why Vegas would allow this. But if they could somehow snatch Darren Waller out, that's a game-changing move.

I mean, yes, he's a tight end, but he is one of those big body. He's playing receiver. He's running routes. I mean, he's not going to maybe be Devante Adams necessarily production-wise and movement-wise. He's a bigger body and whatnot. But I'll tell you what,

Rogers and LaFleur would have a blast trying to build an offense with that guy in it. He's an absolute stud. He's as, I told you, at T.E. at TEU last year. We had all the top tight ends from around the country, from around the league and everybody. He was the most physically impressive guy I've seen in a long time,

just his body, the way he ran. So first off, if they somehow pull that off, which I don't know why the Raiders would allow it. But if they did, that would go a long way into, you know,

filling that void. Excuse me. But I think to that point about being a rookie, I don't know, unless you got the Calvin Johnsons of the world and just the Randy Moss and those really generational type receipts, I think it's hard to expect a rookie, especially where Green Bay is going to draft, to come in and replace Devante Adams from a production standpoint.

I just don't think it's something you can hang your hat on and count on. Transitioning, let alone playing with Aaron Rogers, who's, like you said, he's going to want things done a certain way. He's very hard on his guys. It took Devante Adams a long time. Yeah, to earn that trust. Yeah. You know, he was more of a Jordy Nelson guy, Randall Cobb, and then Devante kind of came along

slowly. So I think it could be the answer long term, whether that's going to be. going to be the immediate kind of replacement of a guy like Devante Adams. I'm not quite sure if that's realistic. By the way, go back to your draft day. Was it nerve-wracking? So I always tell people my last draft, my draft was the last year that they had, you know, 20 minutes between draft picks. So I got drafted 31st overall. So there was no prime time first round then. So it was on Saturday afternoon. The first pick started at noon. So they take Jamarcus Russell and Calvin Johnson and Adrian Peterson,

all the kind of usual suspects that everybody predicted were going to go. And then you start getting into the middle of the draft, which is kind of where you were rumored to go. And it's just 20 minutes in between, 20 minutes in between. It takes an hour for three picks. So you do the math. You're the 31st pick. It was dinner time before I got selected.

It was fortunately since then, they've changed the time, the clock in between. But it was a long day. It was a stressful day. And at the end of it, all you wanted, just, you don't want to be the guy that left school early and went in the second round. So fortunately, that didn't happen to me. Good stuff. But I was close.

Yep, Fox Sports, NFL analyst and a great one. Greg Olson. Great senior game, man. By the way. Appreciate it, guys. Bud Light, NFL draft. He's working with Bud Light. Any fan, 21 or older, if you correctly predict every first round pick you in $15 million.

If you can do that, we'll hire you. How many could you get? How many could you get? Six. And I love it. Six. I think you can get more than that. Eight.

See, I would take Sauce Gardner number two. I would take Hutchison. I would take the corner number two, so I'd screw it all up, because I think that's the second best player I saw. Yeah, that's fair. Well, take a shot at it.

Go online, go to budlite.com slash perfect draft. Take a shot. You can be even richer. Greg, good seeing you, bud. All right, see, buddy. I should do that. I should do that tomorrow. I should predict one.

I tell you, I would take the Michigan kid, Aidan Hutchinson, I'd take Soss Gardner, and then I'll bet you're off. I think you would get a decent amount of the top 15, right? Because there's not a lot of teams that are trying to move up. So what we don't have is the star quarterback. Right. Even Malik Willis, who I like, many would wait for him. So without that, I think what.

what we have is two things going on. A lot of bad teams with two picks who would like to trade down, but good teams don't want to trade up. So that's going to limit draft trades and movement. Okay. Do you want to give you the top ten? All right. All right.

Give me the top ten right here. Jacksonville. Aidan Hutchison. Detroit. See, now I would go. I know they whiff. Jeff Do Kuda from Ohio State didn't work. I would take the corner.

You're in a division with Justin Jefferson and Aaron Rogers. I want a corner. I'd go sauce Gardner. But what do you think? Detroit's going to do. I don't have any idea. I think Detroit's a fascinating team because last year they hit a home run at receiver and at left tackle. And previously they've hit a home run at running back and tight end. And I think golf is fine for the next two years. So everybody's got Detroit thinking about, I think Detroit, I told you this. I think Detroit should

go all defense. Yeah, I agree with you. I think they should go. And then it. But if we're playing the game, if you're predicting, then you got to remove what you would do or what's reasonable. So you want me to do a top 10, what I think, They would do. So you want me to get in the head of Dan Campbell, who's chewing kneecaps? Well, yeah, that's what that's what Greg's talking about. If you're going to do, if you're going to predict the perfect one, it's not what you would do. I don't think I could get in the top ten. I don't think I can get more than one right, maybe two. I'm serious. Okay, so you're not sure about Detroit. Houston. Oh, boy.

Houston, I would take the tackle from NC State. Jets. I would think about taking the N-rusher from the kid from Georgia, Trayvon Walker, and then a Giants, again, giants, I would think about taking another tackle, maybe the Evan Neal from Alabama. Carolina, I would consider going quarterback here. I think Carolina is going to take Malik Willis. Well, I think he played, not that he plays the same style as Darnold, but he can move around a lot. And so you could implement in Matt Rule is an offensive guy. I could implement him into some of our offensive sets.

And then the Giants again, uh, boy. See, it's tough because Detroit has golf, but could also still take a quarterback. I mean, they have so many needs. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you.

But let's, I mean, unless New York pulls a fast one, but they are saying that they're sticking with Daniel Jones. So the other thing to consider is Carolina's got a very temperamental, he's very Steve Balmer. He wants to win. He wants to win now. Matt Rule's an offensive coach. If Matt Rule could sell him on the fact that, listen, I can take this kid from Liberty. Nobody has film on him.

I can put him in, along with Darnold. Darnold has a history of getting hurt. We're going to present stuff nobody's seen. But also, if you take Malik Willis and the owner is on board, that kind of buys you at least another two years. You'd think. You would think. It's a big game, Joy. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. It's fun, though. I mean, it is fun. Go to budlite.com and slash whatever it was draft. Perfect draft. It is hard this year, though.

Yeah, it's fun. I mean, this is not a star-studded, but I've been on mock drafts in the last two months. So, Debo Samuel made waves last week when he surprisingly requested a trade out of San Francisco. Francisco. John Lynch was asked about Debo's future with the team yesterday at a pre-draft media conference, and it sounds like he has every intention of keeping Debo. I can't ever imagine, you know, wanting to move on from Debo. You put yourself through the exercises of, you know, even though we don't have a first round pick, you have to be thorough in this process and prepare for everything. And so you go through and do that. He's just too good

of a player. So we've got nothing but love for him and nothing but appreciation for what he's bought, but you just don't let guys like that walk. Well, I mean, they have the leverage right now. They don't have to trade Debo. No, and, yeah, I mean, you do have to think about your division. The Rams now play with the confidence of a champion. And to get where you want to be, which is home playoff games, you've got to get through the Rams. My concern, like, I think if I was San Francisco, I would rather keep him.

I was talking to Bill Pollan about this. He said, I would keep Debo and then I would just draft heavy defense because I need to make my defense cheaper. He goes, like, the thing, the bottom line is if you draft well, this is what the Rams do. When you draft well, you can pay Bobby Wagner, Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Matt Stafford, Cooper Cup, and Allen Robinson. But you have to draft well. But also, are they going to pay? Here's the issue again with Debo. Debo, we've now seen what he can do rushing, right?

He doesn't want to be in that position. but he wants to be paid like he's playing both positions. So I'm for everybody making all the money they want to make. But if I'm a team and I'm going to pay you what you're asking for, I want you to do both positions. Well, the other thing is they're not great at quarterback, so they need Deepa more. If they had Aaron Rogers, it's a holder from all game. But they don't, you know, Brandon Ayuk has not been as good as they thought.

He's fine, but he's inconsistent. So it's tough. I would shop around and I would take. calls, but boy, I would, it'd be a bad night. If I traded him, that is a bad drive home. Well, the Packers are continuing to look for a top target to replace Devonthe Adams. And according to some reports, Green Bay is interested in trading for Darren Waller. Well, Green Bay would be interested in trading for Darren Waller. The whole league. The question, yeah, who wouldn't want Darren? The question is, why would the Raiders give up Darren Waller? He's not a big cap hit.

He's a seven million cap hit. You can't let go of superstars that are small cap hits. Well, Waller was reportedly included in the Devante Adams trade but had to be removed due to an NFL rule about trading a franchise tag player who has yet to sign their deal. So it's not that it's impossible, but you'd want to hang on to Darren Waller. Derek Carr shot this rumor down on Twitter, the newly sold Twitter, which is now a space for free speech, for those of you guys who don't understand what that means. Tweeting with his free speech Twitter, LOL, no chance. Now, he missed six games, Waller did last year. He did. He did.

And COVID. Those are the only games he's missed in his Raiders career, excluding the first week after being signed from the Ravens. He is a dominant top two player at his position in the league. Top two or three. I think their offense changes if they don't have Darren Waller. Yeah, I mean, listen, Waller's great. Hunter Renfro is maybe the best slot guy in the league.

Devante's great. Derek Carr, I've always liked him way more. They have the left tackle and Colton Miller. Their issue in the draft is, center to the right tackle. They got to get better and they got to make some changes defensively. But they're, listen, they're...

The Raiders are wildly interesting to me. And I watched a lot of Raider games last year. I probably watched 12 of them. They were in crazy games. They were in wild games. Josh McDaniels. They're going to have a stable year, we're assuming. They're just, they're really interesting to me.

So the Nets roller coaster of a season ended last night in tragedy, getting swept in the first round by the Celtics. Can you imagine me a Celtic fan in here and you were going to lose that series and then you, you probably feel, Boston feels pretty good about itself today? They should. They should.

But also, not in any way to defend Kyrie or KD because you can't get swept in the first round, but they were a seven seed. Kyrie did choose not to play home games this season. They didn't have a lot of depth and defense. You're now seeing why

having a complete team matters. It's still a team game when everything is said and done. Yes, it's about the stars, and stars are crucially important, and we tend to pick stars in these series, but you still have to have a complete team. Well, in a post-game statement, Kyrie told everyone of his intention

to exercise his player option and remain with Brooklyn next season. And he plans to keep calling shots with the Nets. Oh, good. Great. I don't really plan on going anywhere, so, you know, this is, like I said, this is added motivation for our franchise to be at the top of the league.

for the next few years. And I'm just looking forward to the summer and just building with our guys here. When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that it really entails us, you know, managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean and just our group of family members

that we have in our locker room in our organization. That's a guy in the internet that wants to tell you all about the world, global affairs, economies. It's the guy in the internet that wants to tell me that freedom of speech is being able to say

whatever you want with no consequences instead of it being freedom from government persecution. Yeah, it's guy in the internet's got all the answers. I can't do, I got all the answers guy when you don't. And the evidence of that is you got swept in the first round of the playoffs. So look, I'm disappointed that the Nets didn't go further. I wanted to see the Nets.

I'm disappointed in this entire Nets experiment from the beginning. I wanted to see KD, Kyrie and Hardin play together. They were the Joker. They were Darth Vader. The NBA has a bunch of nice guys. They had no villain. This was the villain. They were absolutely the villain.

And you saw that in the reaction to them getting swept. Everybody loved it. Yesterday. Yeah. But what do you do moving forward? Because I don't think what anyone wants. I don't know how much everyone really, you know, you got conspiracy, tinfoil hat guy, which is lovely. And, like, that's, you know, they're pushing for Kyrie.

and that's great. And Kyrie is still an incredible player. But not a winning player. That's obvious. Like, at the end of the day, what are the results? We can talk all about and like fantasize and put those together, all this fantasy basketball stuff. What is the actual results?

It's the same thing with Ben Simmons. Not a winning player. No evidence of it. Evidence. I need facts. Science. What is it? Not this fantasy you've created in your mind.

I want to see what happens in real life. We have seen no success in this situation. Winning a couple playoffs series. is not success for the expectations you should have for the talent level on this team. So what do you do moving forward? Getting a new coach is not going to solve the situation, even though I think Steve Nash's was entirely over his head. Oh, I thought, yeah.

Clearly inexperienced, not qualified, and it showed. Whatever he did as a player is irrelevant. Coaching is a completely different situation. Yeah. It's a different job. And there's a lot of failures and a lot of blame pie to go around. At the end of the day, I'm all for pushing the envelope trying to, different things, experimenting, let's bring in this person, do different things.

But if it fails, you can't keep doing that. And there has, there's a reason why everyone has jobs. Delegating is very important. When you look at successful organizations, when you look at successful companies, they delegate. Everybody can't have a whole assignment to them. And then when they continue to fail at it, you keep giving in that, that chunk of responsibility. It's what happened with the Lakers.

Yeah. Why? LeBron, Katie, Kyrie. Not in the playoffs. Yeah, that's a pretty good indication. I've said before. I'm not shut up and dribble guy. I want my athletes to have big broad lives. Of course not.

But I don't want my coaches drafting players. Pete Carol Belichick. They have too much power. They've had bad draft for like seven. New England finally Belichick acknowledged, I make too many mistakes in drafting. Gave it to the scouts. And last year they had three hits.

Mac Jones, the Alabama. Alabama kid and, oh, and they're running back from Oklahoma. They had three hits. It was like Belichick. It's very hard. Randy Moss tried to play basketball. Roy Jones tried to play hoops. Michael Jordan tried to play baseball.

It's virtually impossible to be great at two things. Like truly, absolutely great. You cannot be a great coach and the best GM in the league. You cannot in the NFL, and you cannot be a great player. And also an expert on all personnel. Do you go home at night and watch tapes of a Dusseldorf shooting guards? Are you putting together the scout? No, you're not.

You're not doing that. I do think that if they're going to have any success, there needs to be a major adjustment, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News.

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will go in the first round, got a 32. You want to be somewhere 27 to 33, 35, 27 or above, you're good. You know, I worry about low 20s. I really worry about a quarterback being in the teens. I don't really care about Wonderlich for any other position. But we know the best quarterbacks in the history of this sport. They're not the most talented with Tom Brady, Drew Brees, you know, Joe Montana, a lot of them aren't first rounders, a lot of them aren't second rounders. They're not the tallest or another, they're not. So what does that mean? Well, there's a lot of factors to be a great quarterback.

Like, you know at wide receiver. One of the factors that can really help is he runs well. But quarterback, as long as you have the requisite armed talent to just make the throws, then there's a million things that matter. and I've always said, really a key in the NFL, if you look at all the great ones, what the really great ones overwhelmingly have. Not all, but most.

They process stuff really quickly. The game has fewer and fewer huddles. Can you get stuff? You know, like Mahomes admitted, you know, the light came on at the end of year two. Russell Wilson admitted, yeah, the light came on year three. The game's fast, really, really fast. And it's faster now because there's fewer huddles, more plays, more offensive coaches.

They demand more. So the question is, can you process stuff really fast? I worry, and I said this, I didn't love Kenny Pickett at the podium. I didn't think he was very good during the combine. I'm like, I don't like what I'm hearing. And I said I like Malik Willis. The podium matters to me. Baker Mayfield's bad at the podium.

It has been established. Brady's been 23 years perfect at it. It's not happenstance. is that Brady understands the fundamental CEO nature of being a quarterback. Baker, I contend Baker's a linebacker that plays quarterback. He's all emotion. On the personality scale, he's an eight, as they call it. He's all emotion.

Very impulsive. That's not great at the podium. Sometimes you've got to fall on a sword, eat it for the team. So when I see these one or like scores, I'm sorry, I disagree with all the experts. I think they matter for quarterbacks. Not everything. Not a huge thing. It's something.

it's something. I don't want my quarterbacks in the teens. I don't love it. Don't love it. I want them 26 up. I think I say this all the time. Nothing is everything. Everything's something.

It's something. And so this is more good news for Malik Willis. And by the way, there's another story this morning. And my guys, my scouts, they like Malik Willis. My scouts think Kenny Pickett's a deep second, mid third round quarterback. Somebody will reach, not a first round quarterback. Tom Pellis. NFL Network said Monday, multiple coaches have told him, Malik Willis, only quarterback in this class

with true NFL traits. I've watched them all play. That's what I think. I thought Kenny Pickett during the year, I kept watching him saying, okay, that works. I do think Kenny Pickett can play in the league. But as Joy said earlier, I don't think he can elevate a bad situation. It's very Daniel Jones. If he gets the wrong GM, the wrong O line, it's over.

It's just not going to work. Malik, I think, could get through some of that stuff. Because he's so dynamic the way he pushes the ball down the field. And I do think Carolina at 6 makes sense. But, you know, don't really care about Wonderling. A little bit with quarterbacks. A little bit. Tiny.

Kind of. That's a little bit. All right. Greg Olson, Kyle Hamilton down. Hour number three. It's been fun today. Show's moving. Draft is Thursday.

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