The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL draft, Raiders

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

Colin gives his mock NFL draft  Darren Waller is most likely not leaving the RaidersGuest: Joel KlattSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to go to Vegas in the draft. Joel Clatt around the corner. Jimmy Johnson last hour, Charles Davis. Very exciting draft stuff. Now, Joy, here's the thing. I don't do mock drafts because you're just setting yourself up. It's hard enough to pick football games. If I'm supposed to guess what teams are going to do in a mock draft, I don't do them.

I've been asked by Fox Bet, do a mock draft. I'm like, why be wrong? I mean, at least I think I'm not going to be wrong on picks, even though I, you know, this year I was barely, I don't even think I was 500. Nobody guesses the mock draft right. Right. But I, so I said this morning to the staff, I said, this is what I would do. this is what I think the team should do. I may go 0 for 10 on my guesses.

So you're more, these are less guesses and more of what you would do if you were the GM. Well, yeah. Like I have five or six NFL GMs, maybe seven that I text regularly. But it's also your dream job. That's my dream job. So it's my dream job. So this is what I would do. And this is my rationalization for every pick.

So here's my top 10 pick. Okay, Jacksonville Jaguars. I would take the edge. He's a pure rush edge. Aidan Hutchison. Highest ranked college football player. I know what he is, wildly productive, led the Big Ten with 14 sacks. I know exactly what I get.

He has all the production I need. I want production, not just traits. They also don't need a left tackle. Cam Robinson signed with them. so they don't need one of these offensive linemen. I'd go get big conference, big game, Aidan Hutchison. Number two, if I'm the Lions, I get the corner from Cincinnati, Soss Gardner, who I actually think is the best player in the draft.

But I don't think Jacksonville should go there. Soss Gardner never allowed a passing touchdown in college, did not allow a catch over 20 yards. Nick Sabin said when they played him, they went away from him. And the Lions pass defense allowed 69 touchdown passes last year. It stunk. The Lions drafted Jeff Akuta a corner a couple years ago and it didn't work out. So what?

Move them to two. Try to save the pick. Go get a corner. You got Aaron Rogers twice a year in the division. You got Minnesota's got Phelan and Justin Jefferson. Go get an elite corner. Number three, Icky. Icky Iquanu is an offensive lineman from NC State.

Versatile, zero miss. I don't know how great it'll be. Zero chance to miss. Great feet, 320, allowed two sacks in 880 snaps. That is big boy football. The Texans offensive line stinks 29th in the league and they're taking offers on Laramie Tunsell. So to me, they don't have their quarterback yet. Maybe they do Davis Mills.

We don't know. But give Davis Mills a shot. Go get the best offensive linemen probably in the draft. Number four, if I'm the Jets, I take Kvon, Theobedo, Oregon. again, wildly productive like Aidan Hutchison, wildly productive, very dynamic. They have not, the Jets have not had a player with 10 plus sacks in seven years, Mohamed Wilkerson. This kid was just a sack machine.

Now, it is the Pact 12, which is not the SEC or the Big Ten. But to me, I talk to two GMs who I trust on him. They like him. They don't know if they love him, but he's going to play. He's twitchy. He's strong. You can, you know, the bottom line, if you just ask him to Rusty Pashar, he can do that. He's playing space.

He can do that. Number five Giants. I'd go get Evan Neal, massive, mountain-sized left tackle, Alabama. Don't love his feet, but he's a three-year starter under Nick Saban, 6-7-3-20. The Giants had the 30th ranked offensive line. I was told by a member of the organization that the only offensive lineman they have they really like is Andrew Thomas, left tackle. Get Evan, move him right, whatever.

Get your tackles right for Daniel Jones. I don't think it's a great draft, but this is of great need. so I would go get him. Again, his feet can be a little slow, but that dude's going to be hard to get around. Number six, this is probably a reach, but I would take Malik Willis if I was Carolina. They've already told Sam Darnold they're going to draft a quarterback,

so just go draft the best one. I mean, why draft one in the third round that's going to be not as good as Sam Darnold? He's wildly dynamic. And again, I think you can put him in the offense pretty early because of his raw athleticism. He'll figure out stuff. I wish the Niners last year would have played Trey Lance a little more.

Get him in there. Let him make plays. Number seven, giants again. Now, again, this is not going to happen, but I'd take Trayvon Walker. Most people think he's going to go number one. He's not productive enough. He was a one-year starter. He's not productive enough.

That's not my thing. You've got to give me numbers and sacks. Now, I do think he's a really big-time athlete and everybody loves his traits. And he'll probably go number one. But I always say this all the time. need over raw talent. Like, what do I need? To me, I look at the Giants.

They could use this kind of athlete. But he did not play up to his potential at Alabama, or at Georgia. He did not. I mean, you watched Georgia's defense this year. We didn't talk about this guy nearly as much as the linebackers. Number eight, Falcons, I would take Garrett Wilson, Ohio Statewide receiver. I think he's the best receiver.

Also, this matters. He got better every year at Ohio State. and Calvin Ridley's not around because of the gambling stuff, he'll be back next year. This receiving core is a mess. They lost Ridley and the other guy to the bucks. So it's a tight end and a bunch of nonsense. He got better every year. He's Calvin Ridley for a year.

Then Calvin steps in and those guys battling out for number one. But remember, the Falcons are going to get a quarterback next year. So wouldn't it be nice if he gave him Garrett Wilson with a year under his belt and Calvin Ridley and Kyle Pitts? Number nine, Seahawks. This is so Seahawks. I would take the cornerback Derek Stingley, who I have huge concerns about busting. He's never been as good as he was his freshman year, but the kid is ridiculous.

Three-year starter at LSU, just long, athletic, fast. He is a sensational player. And by the way, you're in a division with probably Adiebo, Samuel, DeAndre Hopkins, the Rams got Cooper Cop. I mean, the Rams got their Jalen Ramsey. Is he or Jalen Ramsey? So I would go get, and by the way, between, The one area I like for the Seahawks is safety, so you could really round out your secondary here.

They don't have a lot of strengths in Seattle, but if this kid hits, you've got a really nice secondary. You got a lockdown corner and two really, really aggressive safeties. And the number 10, the Jets, they may trade out of it. I would take Charles Cross. Listen, Zach Wilson's your quarterback. You got to give this kid a fair chance. You got to give this kid a fair chance. They're bailing on Mackay Beckton, the offensive tackle, who's had weight issues.

in injury issues. Reportedly they're bailing on him. He's a miss. And they'll probably trade him draft day. But Cross is one of these guys that people don't see. Not a great chance. Maybe not an all-time left tackle. But, I mean, to me, if I was the Jets, I would go real heavy offensive in the draft.

And there it is. I don't know if I'll get any of these right. This is what I would do. This is what I would do. And I'd probably go over 10. Let's bring in Joel clad. He's in Vegas. Clat doesn't feel like a Vegas guy to me.

He's a very family guy. Look at that. So I'm probably going to go 0 for 10. What did you make of my picks and my rationalization? Anything jump out to you? I mean, listen, it was decent. It was decent. You are going to, you're going to go like, I don't know, maybe three for 10.

Will you take three for 10? Sure, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'll take three for 10. I will tell you the more than the more than you. The closer we get to the draft calling, it does look like Jacksonville's going to take Trayvon Walker, which I think is fascinating because I'm with you. I think Aiden's the best player in the draft. I think he should get selected, number one.

But the Jackwires are looking at Trayvon Walker and they're dreaming of this upside, this upside that they feel like is higher than what Aiden's upside can be. The problem with that is that you know what Aiden Hutchinson can and will bring. Let me give you an example. I think that maybe this is too much praise. I'm not sure. I think it's windy in Vegas. We lost Joel Clat.

We'll try to get him back. I think he had a very interesting point. He was just about ready to crush it. I am always one of these. I mean, don't get me wrong. I get potential. Like, I do. I think there's value in potential.

Boy, not if I have a top two or three pick. You got to give me, I get, you know, like, so here's, here's. Here's the proposition. Trayvon Walker could be a nine or a three. Aidan Hutchison feels like a guaranteed six and a half, seven. I get guaranteed production. You need to have closer to a guarantee at that end of the draft. Now, no, we get to the fourth round.

I'm going to take that guy, big ceiling could whiff. I'm fine with it. The way it's always been in the NFL, a first rounder, that's going to be a starter from day one and can really play. Round two and three, a starter eventually. You get to round four. I'm going to take big gambles at four. So Joel Clatt joining us again.

What were you saying about the Georgia, Aidan, Trayvon Walker. What was your thoughts? Well, my thought was that I think Aden could have a JJ Watt style career. I think he can have that level of impact. And the point being is that he's really good at everything. Now, Michigan used him in a very specific way. That was because we're trying to surmise the one thing that they're felt like he was better. But that doesn't mean he wasn't great against the run.

He was a sneak, which I know that's like on the tied end. He was heavier. He got faster. He worked out to the point where he lost 15, 18 pounds because they wanted him to so that he could be in a two-point stance. I think Hutchinson's the best player in the draft. And I think Detroit is going to get him at two and they're going to be ecstatic about it because he's a Dan Campbell type of guy. I don't think it's as good a wide receiver draft, as many saying, I do think Garrett Wilson, the thing that I like about him, he just got better every year. And so, I mean, that tells me, it reminds me a Michael Pittman at USC. He's putting the work in. It's not just about coaching and a great football school. The kid is getting better. He's achievement

oriented, results oriented. He's, I like him. Your thoughts on Garrett Wilson, if I was Atlanta without Calvin Ridley, you got to get this, whoever the quarterback is they draft next year. you got Kyle Pitts, you'll get Ridley, you got to give this guy some weapons, you got to give that rookie quarterback a chance. What do you make of Wilson? Wilson's my top receiver. I agree with you. Here's how I categorize him. Even for a college kid, he was a pros, pro. He worked hard, he was diligent. Mickey Moriotti, their strength coach said that he was a great worker in the weight room. And then one thing that I remember, one of his young teammates, Yeah, I think we're going to lose Joel Klatte.

It's windy there. As I put my mock draft up again, I just, this is not a great draft. You know, here's what I thought about the other day. Because remember a couple years ago, there were a lot of discussions about CTE and moms not wanting their sons to play. And in Los Angeles, I have a friend whose sons is going to play Pac-12 football. And he said to me, six months ago, we were having dinner. and he said, in my neighborhood, I'm a crazy person.

I let my son play football. Now, that's not Ohio. That's not Louisiana. That's not Texas. But he said, in California, in my neighborhood, people look at me like I'm a Martian when I say, my son plays high school football. And he's like, I played high school football. I loved high school football.

I made friends for life. But there is, and the NFL knows it, a growing concern about injuries. That's why the NFL is making this practices easier. and it's working, by the way. We're getting fewer and fewer injuries. You get to the end of the year, these teams are almost all healthy. Rams were missing one wide receiver. It's like Cincinnati was missing one starter, a tight end.

But I did think this draft, I thought to myself this, is this the first draft that moms and their reluctance to let their sons play? Is that this is going to become the norm. Every other draft, every third draft, this isn't very good. No, I think it's just, one, there's not a bunch of quarterbacks in this draft. Anytime there's a draft where there are a lot of high-level quarterbacks, there's more discussion about trades, there's more pressure on teams at the top, who are they going to go with. So I don't know that this is going to become the norm. It's just a matter of the number one position that we talk about the most, being readily available and impactful in the draft. I mean, there's two quarterbacks that we're talking about possibly going in the first round,

and neither one of them were our high-profile guys. I hope you're right. My mind, I don't remember a draft in my life, and I'm sure there was one, that's this blah. Well, yeah, I think it's just, it's not that it's blah. I think that there's not any. There's no stars. There's no stars, but there's also no quarterbacks. Like there's two quarterbacks.

They're not superstars. I don't think this is going to be the norm. And as far as, like, you know, people not playing football, it's still the number one sport. I get what you're saying about California. But more kids are playing flag football now in the younger stages. Right. But baseball participation has gone up. Sure.

And a lot of that, moms are like, you're not playing football. You're playing baseball. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think I would encourage my son if I had one to play whatever he enjoyed and was good at. Yeah. But I probably nod to him towards baseball. They have guaranteed contracts. in every position.

Yeah. I mean, I think I think parents think about all that stuff. I mean, I've said a safety thing for me. Like if he's great at football, he's going to play football. My entire family plays football. So, but it is, it is interesting is that not only

the mom factor, which by the way, the NFL went really marketing toward moms. Remember a couple years ago we were talking about the NFL really made a point to sell moms and you saw ads and there was, because they saw what's happening with participation numbers. League C participation numbers. And when I look at football, it'll always be popular in the South Texas Midwest. But there is, I'll give you an example.

Not only do moms, you know, they always say moms control the household. Moms are the ones, they run the household. They run the bills. They run the decisions. That's kind of, in my life, my wife said, you know, I've had two wives and they've kind of run the household. Also, kids change cultures before adults, shoes, music, fashion. Kids, I don't have any influence there. Kids do. When you watch California high school recruiting, and California kids are different than sometimes small market kids and rural kids. Their kids here grow up, I mean, it's a four-minute drive to Hollywood. Like, it's a big city and it's right around the corner. Sure. It's a distracted market. Yeah.

California high school recruiting has changed dramatically. USC now has to leave the state for running backs. This state in the last 10 years, there's no running backs left. Why? Because that's the position. You don't get a second and third big contract. The kids have figured it out. The kids want to be quarterbacks.

They won't be wide receivers. They want to be edge rushers and corners. If you look at California high school recruiting, USC has signed two running backs in the last week, Texas. So in California, kids are like, no. The culture is changing in football in America. We're going to have better quarterbacks, better wide receivers, greater corners, amazing edge rushers. It's going to be harder and harder to find guys in the trenches, linebacker.

We just had two Super Bowl teams, both bad at linebacker. Now, that could have been coincidental. But I do think there is something there. This is the only draft I remember that is just, I don't think there's any start. Now, now, there could be a star because let's say that there's a player like Aidan Hutchison and he ends up, the team gets better. You know, Jacksonville gets Trevor Lawrence, the division's wonky, they start winning,

and he becomes in their system really good. But I don't remember a draft that was this week. I don't. Well, I mean, I'm curious to see how it will be graded three years from now because we keep talking about it this way, because there are half the league is undrafted, and there's gems found all over the place. The best player in history is a sixth rounder.

So I'm interested to see how it grades out three years from now, but I don't think this is going to be the norm. I think it's just, I think next year with the quarterbacks that are supposed to be in that draft and then the draft after that with guys like Caleb Williams, it's going to correct itself. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Jeremy Fowler, a reporter, says, no chance, zero chance. The Raiders tied in, the great one, Darren Waller, is traded to the Packers, even though a cheesehead TV, apparently a very popular blog in Green Bay,

Packerland, said it's very, very close. Jeremy Fowler's like, nope, not close. confirming my belief, which is its nonsense. He's not a big enough cap hit. He's too great of a player. Everybody would want Darren Waller, but I think this is the Packers leaking it to a very team-friendly blog,

and it illustrates how they're going for it, sending a message to Aaron Rogers. We're all in. We're trying to get better. We're this close. So when they fail. And if they can't get the receiver they want in the draft, hey, we worked, we tried.

We did. You're massage in Aaron a little bit here and massage in the media. There is no history, by the way. Brian Gudenkonst, the active GM, says Aaron will be heavily involved in developing wide receivers. Well, there is no history. This is just me talking data. There is no history that Aaron works with rookie receivers. Randall Cobb is a rookie.

His buddy, 350 yards. Jordy Nelson rookie year, 360. Devonte Adams rookie year, 400. Last year, Amari Rogers, four catches. And Devante is a Hall of Famer and Jordy Nelson's damn close. So Aaron's never had a rookie receiver with more than 40 catches. And we're talking Devante Adams and Jordy Nelson. These are really good players.

So, I mean, Russell Wilson had Tyler Lockett, who was considered almost a reach and a slot guy first year. 50 plus catches, almost 700 yards. Russell Wilson first year with D.K. Metcalfe. Remember he fell in the draft? 60 catches, 900 yards. Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase. Boom, home run. That's not Aaron.

Aaron's got trust issues. with the media, our government, the vaccine, wide receivers, the front office. It's not an opinion. He doesn't trust the government. He didn't trust vaccines. He doesn't trust the media. He didn't trust the front office. He doesn't, you know, obviously, he's not going to lean in to young wide receivers.

So I think this, and again, DeMonte Adams is a Hall of Fame player. And it took him until year three to pop. Jordy Nelson, somewhere between year three and four he popped. That's the precedent. That's the history. And I would argue that Aaron has over time, with more wealth, has gotten a little more prickly. I think he's a little more difficult to convince to throw to a young guy than he was five years ago. I mean, he just, Amari Rogers was a very good slot pick.

It's not part of the offense. And it's not like they didn't need him. They didn't have a dependable too. Randall Cobb his buddy got hurt. So Green Bay was a one-trick pony at wide receiver. They had a very good slot receiver. He didn't use him at all. So I think Aaron's more difficult and less willing today than five or six,

seven years ago before he got that generational wealth to convince go with the young guys. For the record, Brady often struggle with young guys too. Some of these kind of legendary quarterbacks, you know, you've got to be in your spot. If you're not in your spot, I'm not throwing the football. But so there you go. Gooden Kunt says, yeah, Aaron's heavily involved. everything in Green Bay sort of works on Aaron time. In the offseason, he kind of checks out.

Russell Wilson does not. Aaron sort of does. That's his thing. It's his right. He's made his money. He's got his legacy. But I just, I continue to say this. I think they needed to be far more aggressive in the wide receiver pursuit and free agency.

I would have got out and got D.K. Metcalfe and made it work. You got to give Aaron a one. Because right now it's Sammy Watkins and Randall Cobb. They're past. Prime. Alan Lazzard feels like a three or a four and a rookie who essentially did not throw two last year. He had four catches on a team that needed a guy to make 50 catches. So I don't buy the Darren Waller reports at all. Could be wrong. Joy with the news. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Well, Ben Simmons never made his highly anticipated debut with the Nets this season. He reportedly met with Brooklyn's front office before sitting out game four and told them that he is suffering from a mental block that caused stress, which triggered the back issues. But for his teammates, the confusion doesn't come from the injury itself. They reportedly wanted to see more resolve from Simmons and looked at it as a lack of attempt to play an effort to be in uniform and pushing his body in the postseason. So it appears there is still some confusion as to what's going on with Benz's Simmons. From the people closest to him, there's confusion. Forget me. Does teammates there's confusion

Yeah, I maintain what I've said from the beginning with the situation which is I felt like this trade was a move for next year. I never anticipated seeing Ben Simmons in any actuality this season. And you didn't. And I did not. But you know what, Joe, had there been a game five?

Maybe. Maybe. I also don't think it serves Ben Simmons in any way to put out that he might be available for game four because it built up anticipation and expectations that clearly were in no way capable of being filled. Now, as far as the situation as a whole, when he is healthy, whenever that may be, let us know. I am debboarding the train,

the follow the Ben Simmons when he's going to be available or back train. Because every time that there is some reported news about it, it turns out to not come to fruition. As far as when he is going to contribute or how he's going to contribute, I don't know. I think there's potential for this Nets organization and teams to look very different next year. And I got to be honest with you, even if he was out there, I don't know that it would have made much of a difference. He wasn't going to play that much. He hadn't played in almost a year. He had never played with these teammates. But I also don't think that Ben Simmons is that much of a contributor to a winning organization because we've never seen any evidence that that's true.

I think that's very fair. Even in college, that was the knock. He wasn't a winning player. He was sort of indifferent to coaching. And there's no question that he's talented or we wouldn't have all this fuss about him. But what you do with that talent and how you integrate that into a system and a culture and a team and being available, contributing, filling a role, all those things. That's what you're seeing with the teams that remain in the postseason. They are well-balanced, well-coached teams. There's been this has been an incredible first. round. And part of that is because there is no, you know, as we discuss, a great team that is head and shoulders above everyone else. But I also think it speaks to the level of balance that

the NBA has been working on and is somewhat reaching when it comes to let's build teams that are competitive year after year after year. And then we can level up by bringing in a free agent. And then maybe we draft, you know, a star. But let's not be a disaster for and drag our, our fan base and organization and then try and take these big swings to try and reach a championship. Look at the teams that are available still. They have well-balanced teams.

They're well-run. I don't know how Ben Simmons fits into that even if he is healthy. So the Cardinals will reportedly pick up Kyler Murray's fifth year option by the May 2nd deadline. That will move Kyler into $29.7 million

guaranteed for the 2023 season. That goes along, even with rising house prices. goes a long one. You know, almost $30 million is still pretty good chuck. You get a nice ranch-style home in Scottsdale, two-car garage. He's reportedly expected to agree on a long-term extension

at some point this summer following all this off-season drama. Let's be honest. This is good because Arizona's fun and we're at Fox. It's an NFC team. We already lost Russell Wilson. I want

more. AFC's got all the fun quarterbacks. I don't want Kyler Murray going over to Houston. Thank you. I work at Fox. We want more good quarterbacks. I don't understand how the drama happens. I understand when guys want to be paid

a certain amount and you're trying to work the deal out and there's negotiations. Of course, we have negotiations in our business as well. What I don't understand is why it is a bad thing to have to pay your quarterback. That's the one position you should be excited to have to pay.

You should also be budgeting to have to pay. When you see what other quarterbacks are getting, maybe start messing with your cap a little bit so you don't have to go through these dramatic situations with your quarterback. Well, a lot of it, you got to hit on draft picks. I mean, that- But nothing else matters if you don't have the quarterback. Don't listen to Dan Campbell. Nothing else matters if you don't have the quarterback.

You got him. Is he perfect? Who is? other than Patrick Holmes. Like, what are you looking for? What are you hoping for? You had this situation already with Josh Rosen. You've already experienced this.

Don't forget. How quickly you forget. So I don't think that there was ever a chance that Arizona was going to move on from Kyla Murray. I do think Kyler Murray wants to stay there. I think he's using the leverage that he has, which is totally fine. And he is the right to do that. But also put, if you're an organization and you draft a guy and you see that he's good,

yeah, maybe you just start budgeting. just maybe start budgeting to have to pay the quarterback. It's a good thing to have to pay your quarterback. It means you have one. And they're expensive because they're important. So the Bears organization has a new regime this year. They have coach Matt Iber Fluse and general manager Ryan Poles. And they have to develop Justin Fields and put the right pieces around him.

But Poles doesn't like using the word rebuild. The rebuild things like super sensitive. We're constructing a very good football team. regardless of how you use whatever term that is, we just continue to add talent and young talent, older talent, whatever it takes to make the best team possible. You know, actually, you know, late night with the wife, you're watching TV, you get like the home network where, you know,

there's some rooms that are good. You might have to redo some countertops over here, some fresh paint over there. Some rooms are good. You don't need to touch them. So there's talent. on this team that I'm excited to build around and build with. Well, Robert Quinn's apparently on the market.

Older. And by the way, sack machine, but it's getting closer to time. They spend a lot of money on their front seven defensively. So I think they need to draft wide receivers. You got to give Justin Fields a shot, folks. You spent last year was getting offensive linemen and a quarterback.

Go get them receivers. I like their backs, actually. I like their tight end, their back. Go get more receivers. Well, they traded Kalil Mack this offseason. They did. They lost Alan Robinson and free agency to the Rams.

They released Tariq Cohen and Danny Trevathan. They're absolutely in a rebuild. You don't get a new GM and a new head coach without being in a rebuild. It's not a reboot. You were six and 11 last year. Yeah. So you don't, you know, doesn't mean you have to like the term, but you do. You should be if you're hiring a new coach and new GM, tearing everything down to the foundation.

And maybe you have those foundational pieces that he's talking about, but there has to be a shift in Chicago. You have Justin Fields. You should be doing everything imaginable to build around what he does best. Otherwise, what's the point? Also, Chicago's always had this sort of working class. We do it with defense. Those days are over. Got to go get players.

Got to get skilled players. They have really weak, wide receivers. Like, go get, you lost Alan Robinson. Come on now. You couldn't afford Alan Robinson. The Rams who pay everybody could afford him. So your cap situation's weird. To me, they got to go.

heavy on skill people. The tight ends, the backs are okay. You got Justin Fields. Draft a couple receivers. Go get some cheap corners. You'll be fine. If Justin's good, it won't feel nearly like a rebuild. If he's not good, it'll feel like a rebuild.

No, but when you have a young quarterback, you should be paying those free agent players. You're not paying your quarterback. Yep. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line.

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You know, I was thinking about Elon Musk the other day. He bought Twitter or is, you know, trying to get it approved, right? You go through some regulatory process, whatever rich guys do. And I was thinking about this is, let's say there's more trolls out there. You do have filters on Twitter. So I use my filters all the time. If you don't follow me, I can't see your tweets. I can also double down.

If I don't follow you, I don't see anything you send to me. So I got a bunch of filters there. I don't see 99% of trolls. And there's no value to trolls. They don't elevate my content. They don't give me more money or better ratings. It don't make me happier. So if you're not going to elevate my space, because the phone's in my pocket,

it's personal to me. I don't want people that are just a brace of and agitating. There's no value in it for me, right? I don't get, I'm not a better broadcaster the next day with it. I make mistakes sometimes. Who cares? Like, I'm taking shots, right? So like, to me, if you want to eliminate trolls, just go to your filter, just go to your filter. Yeah, they're called quality filters. Quality. That's what I do. I have, I have a, you can just go to your phone and just filter, filter, filter, filter. I want to see some, but for mostly people I follow, smart people, people can give me really good information. information, reporters. If you wouldn't ask someone for advice, why would you take their criticism? That's exactly it. So I just use all my filters. I don't see any of the bad stuff. It's one thing. I like to hear reporters. Like I want to hear a legitimate reporter's opinion. I don't want to hear crazy people out there just trolling people. Why would I want that? There's no. And so I don't deal with it. Yeah. And for the for the platforms that don't allow that, I just block people. Yeah. I don't. I'd rather mute them so they think I'm following him, driving crazy.

And they sit there all day worrying about me and I'm not there. So I don't even block it. Everyone's a bigger advocate of the muting. Yeah, that's a real popular feature. You know, Elon knows what he's doing. He'll be fine. Charles Davis does too. NFL Network.

Voice of Madden NFL football. Okay, Charles, I'm looking at your mock draft. So here we go. So here's my first argument. You have Trayvon Walker. And I never have a problem drafting SEC guys. Okay, you can almost outside of quarterback, you could just draft the SEC and make your roster just fine.

But here's what I worry about Trayvon Walker. He's a one-year starter. He wasn't that productive. I watched a lot of Georgia games, and I don't even think he was the most highest, you know, the best NFL prospect sometimes. You got him going number one. Does he blow you away? Do you think he's better than Aidan Hutchison?

No, Colin, I don't. I think Aidan Hutchinson is the best player in this draft. You know, when we do these mocks, a lot of it is what we expect to happen. and we also have to go with some past history what we think a GM or an organization is going to do is not that Trayvon Walker is a bad player. He's an excellent football player and obviously he got the nation's attention at the combine.

You also have to look at how he was asked to play at Georgia, taking on a lot of double teams, pulling people with them, which allowed some of those other players to come to the front, especially those three linebackers that'll be gone by the end of day two where he would make the play to take on people, they would go make a play for him.

Again, he wasn't asked to be an edge rusher either very often, often in line. So what the GM of Jacksonville, Trent Balky, and his staff are betting on, is that ceiling, see, we're doing that scout buzz talk now, is really

high that he will learn to be that edge rusher. He has his skills requisite. They'll hone them to be the edge rusher they want, but he brings everything else you want to the table the same as Aidan Hutchinson. He brings the all-out effort. He brings the leadership. He brings the love of the game. He brings the physical characteristics. So that's why I have him number one, because I think he fits what

Trent Volcker used to draft in San Francisco. And that's what they're counting on there. And Hutchinson goes two to Detroit. And Colin, that's just simply central casting right there. Yeah. Yeah. Now, an interesting player to me is Kvon Thibito from Oregon, who I've met a couple times, once maybe, maybe twice, I think once. And there's a little bit of glamour to him. He did dominate, but it was the Pact 12. Can you put him in space? Can he cover a back? What do you make of him as a player when you look at film? Well, I don't want him in space very often covering a back because Colin, that's not what he does best. I've had this discussion with many of my colleagues in the coaching business. I'm like, you know, sometimes I think we all get up on that board, that grease board now.

there's a chalkboard when I was in school, so I still want to clap a few erasers. But we get up on that board, Colin, and we can make the X's and O's do whatever we want, right? That doesn't mean that's the right thing to do. Like, you can say, well, Kvon-Tibodeau, I can drop him in here and he can cover this guy.

Why would I do that? What we're watching right now on tape is what he does best. He moves forward. He chases people down. He harasses quarterbacks in the pocket. If I have him in coverage a whole lot, I think I'm doing a disservice to my overall defense and to what he does best.

What's most interesting about him is he is a true 222 young man. What I mean by that is he speaks of words of branding and what the media does and why I went to Oregon instead of other places and what it'll do for me in the future. And for maybe some of us older people, that scares the heck out of us. Does he love football? Does he care? I think that he does, and I think he'll prove that moving forward. And I'll finish with this. A couple past GMs that I talked to, I asked him, Colin.

Kids like Tibido, past rushers where we said, is there motor wide open? Do they play hard every down? Who did you see about like that in the past that had future success? Two names came at me from a lot of different guys. You ready? Yeah. Bruce Smith with Buffalo and Miles Garrett now with Cleveland,

where they were both questioned that way and turned into great players. I'm counting on Tibidot to be one of those guys to be like that. One more guy, Derek Stingley, scares me to death, huge, mega talent, never as good as he want as a freshman. You play in the SEC at Tennessee scares me. Why should I draft him? He scares you with a legit reason because 2019, you would have taken him as fast as you possibly go.

And he would have never even blinked, right? You would have been like, Derek Stingley, boom, we're done here. 2020 and in 21 injuries team wasn't as good in 20 after winning a national title and then 21 I think we have to do a little more homework remember the opener against UCLA that wasn't pretty wasn't nope turns out he had that Liz Frank injury that he tried to play through that never came out of his camp that you heard them say an excuse this kid tried to play and then took the hit when he it didn't go very well. I saw his workout at Pro Day.

That looked like the Derek Stingley we were used to seeing. That looked like the kid we're going to get. I'm counting on him to rise back up and be 2019 Derek Stingley. I know that you're worried and rightly so because Gardner has been steady and ascending from Cincinnati and deserves his status. But I wouldn't be surprised, Colin, if the first real roar we get in this draft is a three with Houston. If they took Derek Stingley instead of Gardner or instead

of an offensive lineman. Charles Davis, Vegas, NFL Network. Always great stuff. Always does his homework. Good seeing you, man. Always great to see you, Colin. You take care of yourself. And look, block people because the muting people,

they will eventually find you and you got to deal with them again anyway. Just go ahead and block them. Well, we're talking football. Probably better to block than mutant football. So let's just that. I think you're right. Charles Davis. Yeah. You're a blocker. I'm a muter. It gives me such sick satisfaction to block people. It is a sickness. It makes me happy. All right. Like, I'll just read it and be like, into the abyss. Same way I felt in high school

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