The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL, Eagles

Episode Date: November 10, 2022

How the Dolphins defended against Bears QB Justin Fields The Packers will have a tough time with their injuries  The Eagles are still undefeated but is their offense sustainable?    Guest: Greg CosellSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg CoSells right around the corner. Live in L.A., it's the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. So we've been talking about this with Ryan Rusillo and Jason McIntyre, and I talked about it to start the show. The Lakers really only have two. They lost again last night. They're a bad franchise. They only have two really, I mean, Anthony Davis is their best trade piece.

You can trade Russell Westbrook. What do you get back? You could trade LeBron at the end of the season, playoffs. I don't know what the market. it is. Anthony Davis is the piece. So the question is, if you're going to trade Anthony, you'd want to do it sooner than later because he has a history of being fragile. So you know if he has another injury. You can't trade him. You're just stuck with him. So to me, I mean, I think you have to at the end of the playoffs when you can find, LeBron signed an extension,

part of the extension eliminates the trade until after the playoffs. So they're not going to trade LeBron pre, you know, they're not going to trade him now. Like they wouldn't embarrass him or they wouldn't ship him off to a, you know, he's going to say no, no, no. So that thing is probably not realistic. But the Anthony Davis trade is very realistic. And I do think there are very good teams at the top that look at it and think, listen, man, we don't need him to be available every night. What we need is somebody to match up with Embed or Yonnas. So do you think Anthony Davis fits as a number two player on a title contender or is he a number three?

I think he's a three. I think he was a great two. But I think because of his inability to stay healthy, he's becoming a three. So then you need to look at teams who have a big two and need a three. I think one that pops, the Atlanta Hawks. They have a great backcourt, Murray and Trey Young. They don't really have a big guy. Anthony Davis could fit in there.

You're going to need a big against Janison and beating the playoffs. He'd be coming. He played at Kentucky. He's, you know, from the South. He'd be comfortable. He'd probably be very happy personally if it's very possible. And also it's a, I mean, the Lakers are so big here that, you know, he gets blamed for everything. Maybe he would psychologically be a little bit more comfortable, not having to be the star of the show.

Well, he's also from Chicago, right? He grew up in Chicago, went to high school there. Could the Bulls be like, hey, we're going nowhere with Zach Levine? Do you want him? I mean, I'll grab Zach Levine in a heartbeat. I think he's a great player. Yeah. I don't know what the market is for Anthony Davis right now.

It's very difficult. Well, it's going to be far worse if he gets hurt again. So which is why I think the move get Russell Westport. Brooke, you pick up Miles Turner and Buddy Heald. You do not need to give up the draft picks. I don't think you do. And Miles Turner's insurance for this year for Anthony Davis. And Buddy Heald is a shooter you don't have.

And you try to do your best. I mean, look at the Utah Jazz, Colin, thriving with a bunch of B and C players. Yeah. Greg Kosell, 43 years, NFL films joining us. So I watched that Bears Dolphins game. And I said it at the time, I think I said it on Sunday or Monday. That's the best loss for a team this season because I do believe, I do believe that the last three games for Justin, there is something there I can grab on to.

I see improvement. What does the film say? What did the tape say this weekend? You know, this weekend was fascinating. And, you know, one of the things when you have a quarterback that can run, I'm very fascinating to see how defenses choose to play him because some defenses just play normally. Other defenses, Colin, have a specific plan. And the dolphins had a specific plan.

What they did is they rushed for, they had a spy on every third down, okay? And they played man coverage behind it because they felt comfortable with a spy. Now, there was only one third down in which they didn't do that. And by the way, that was the 61-yard touchdown we're looking at right now. But the spy against a player like Fields was not really a factor because Fields is such a dynamic runner, as most great running quarterbacks are, that the spy normally does not help. But I would say in response to your broader question of where field stands, I think you can see him more comfortable throwing the ball. What I'm about to say should not be taken as a negative, by the way, because they run essentially by NFL standards a remedial and elementary pass offense.

And that is not a negative. That's to allow fields to get more and more comfortable each and every week. And you can see that as he's growing. Yeah, you know, Greg, I've talked to Sean Payton and other coaches about this. In the first two years, even Andrew Luck, there's going to be, and he's like a generational kid out of college. Yeah. The first two years, Russell Wilson, Mahomes, were like, yeah, the light went on year three, right?

Like, it slows down. My takeaway is, in the first two years, what an advantage to have a kid, whoever it is, that can run around and pick up first downs with his legs while he's figuring out, these pocket guys only who get beat up in the first two years. years and don't have the ability to pick up the first downs any other way. So I look at Justin and Luke Getsey, the offensive coordinator. I'm like, this is exactly what you should be doing. Lean into this. And if you can, Greg, taper the running off 12% a year. And to always use it, but does that seem reasonable? Yeah. And I think we discussed this. I think a week or two ago is what's

the balance there? Because as you want him to become a proficient pocket player with the detail and nuance involved, how do you get him there if you're essentially not asking him to do that very much? That's one. But the other real positive to a quarterback that can move is the fact that defenses play differently. And you know that they're going to play differently for the most part. And that becomes then an advantage offense because defenses are somewhat limited then in what they can do because they're very concerned about the explosive off schedule outside of structure play. So I want to talk about the Jets defense and their win over Buffalo. One of the things, that was very obvious, when you have a great corner like Sauce Gardner and you can say,

you know, put him on Stefan Diggs. And this is a Bill's team that can't run much. And so they got into third and long and second and long. Well, when you have a great corner, Greg, and I can take out your one or big chunks of his production, this is a home. run-hinnig offense for Buffalo, and you're taking out some of the home runs. So I felt like, I would say it was, here's a great designer map on how to beat Buffalo, but nobody else may have a sauce gardener. Did you look at that as just the Jets matched up and will match up very well with Buffalo because of that pass rush and that kid?

Or is it a little bit, ooh, this is the way, this is the way to beat Buffalo, take away the home run? Well, Colin, to be honest with you, I would have loved to have seen the Sauce Gardner and Stefan Diggs matchup, except it never happened. I think he lined up over Diggs one time in the entire game. So that matchup did not happen. That was irrelevant. It's like when people talk about, oh, I'm excited to see Jalen Ramsey match up to so-and-so.

The Rams don't play that way, so he never matches up to anybody. So Gardner did not match up to Stefan Diggs. That was not even a factor in the game. You know, I think that it was an odd game. for the bills. Number one, obviously, the interception early that Josh Allen threw down in the red zone was almost unbelievable. You know, you don't even know why he threw it, only he could tell you that. It was one of those games in which Allen did not see things as clearly as he normally does. Now, if you're a Jets fan, you say that's because what the Jets did, I don't know if that's necessarily

true. Okay. I thought he left some clean throws on the field, either going to another receiver or leaving the pocket. I think what the Jets defense is, is they're really good at all three levels. Yeah, yeah. This is a team that can rush the quarterback with four. See, when you rush with four and you're able to generate somewhat consistent pressure, that expands your entire coverage repertoire because you have seven guys in coverage. Football is a numbers game, Colin, and particularly on defense.

If you can rush with four and keep seven in coverage, everything is wide open for you, coverage-wise. If you start have to add pass rushers because you can't get to the quarterback, then you become more limited in coverage because you have fewer numbers. So the teams that can rush with four and the jets fall into that category, they can be really good on defense. And by the way, not only Sauce Gardner, but their other corner, DJ Reed, he has had a very, very good season up to this point. So you said something there that's interesting. And one of the reasons we bring you on is that you break down film. You look at everything. And I'm watching on the red zone, that Josh Allen didn't see things well.

And the criticism on him, it was in college too, and it was early in his career, is that he can be, he makes mistakes. He mistakes that he shouldn't make. When you say he doesn't see things well, again, do I go back to, well, maybe it's Soss Gardner and Reed and it's the pass rush? Is it that he's not seeing stuff well, or the Jets just increase the intensity, the pass rush? You're throwing on third and eight. What is it?

that's hard to know, but I'll tell you this. I remember when I started working with our friend Ron Jaworski years ago. Yeah. And George would tell me that there were two games a year that for whatever reason, when he dropped back, he just didn't get as clear a picture as he normally gets. Interesting. And there were two games like that every year. And he said, you hope that on those games, the rest of your team kind of carries you.

And again, I don't know if that's exactly the case. Only Josh Allen could tell you. But I thought in this game that the Jets pass rush at times resulted in him playing a little fast. You probably noticed this just watching on television. He was not as patient in the pocket as we normally have seen because even though he can make great plays on the move, Colin, he's not a guy that just flees the pocket. He's not one of those guys. He stays in the pocket and delivers the football. So I thought that Bill's pass game was a little out of sync and Alan was a little out of sync. So like I said, if you're a Jets fan, you say, hey, it's because of what we did. If you're a

Bill's fan, you write it off and say, hey, Josh just didn't have a really good game. But there's no question that there was pressure generated and that got to Josh Allen a little bit. He started to just play a little frenetically at times. Yeah. You know, Jets have a good defensive game and some personnel, to your point, three levels of it. Oh, I sure do. The game that really fascinates me this weekend is the game in Germany.

So Seattle and Tampa. So I want to talk about Tampa. if you this offense all year has been it reminds me a little of the Rams they don't get a push they can't run it sometimes protection fails you have a quarterback who doesn't move exceptionally well what are you seeing so we can you know we can point fingers and blame but what is the tape say the primary issue I think it's Ryan Jensen the center maybe maybe just they can't replace that they're not getting a push what is the problem with Tampa's offense it's a domino effect because number one they can't run the ball right so what that has resulted in is partly anyway is the fact that Brady has had more third down dropbacks than any quarterback in the league, okay? You don't want to have that. That's not something you want to aspire to to be on third down that much. Okay.

That's number one. Number two, when they are in third down, if let's say it's three yards or less, they pretty much, and defenses, no, they have to throw it because they don't really have a run game option on third and short like a lot of teams do, because they can't run the ball. So they become easier tactically to play against. And a third factor here, and maybe it's changing, is the fact that they've not been able to work the middle of the field with a tight end. And as I said, maybe it's changing because in the last couple of weeks, the rookie from Washington, Kate Otton, is becoming a little bit of a factor. And I don't

if you saw him much. Obviously, you're in that 12 country. Love him. Great hands. I really like that kid coming. Yeah. And, you know, we're not comparing anyone to Grant. That's not the point. The point is, though, can he be a factor in the middle of the field? You know, don't forget if it's third and seven, you need eight. You don't need 25. Yeah. So it's, can he become a factor? Maybe, because he's, he's shown a little bit of the ability to win one-on-one matchups. And that is absolutely critical. Yeah, he comes from a great football family in the Pacific Northwest. K. Dodd was a terrific college player at Washington. So I want to talk Seahawks. So what I'm about to say with the Seahawks. This is just what my eyes tell me. And it doesn't make historic sense. But that they, not only are their rookies playing, they're like excellent players. It's like they inserted five excellent players onto their line. Kenneth Walker, the tackles, the outside linebacker, the corners. Like historically, rookies don't change your trajectory in eight games. But when I watch Seattle, I'm like, are all these guys great?

Are all of their draft picks in the top? What's the film say? Well, I got to tell you, I think what stands out to me is the play of the two tackles. I mean, you have the first round tackle cross. I think the third round tackle, Lucas, you're probably familiar with him from Washington State. Those guys have played extremely well. I can't think back, and I've been doing this a long time. I don't remember, I'm sure there's a time it occurred, where a team has played two rookie offensive tackles that have played at a pretty high level.

And then you've got the corner, Wallen, who was the fourth round pick. Yeah, he's great. He was 6-4-215 and ran a 4-8-40 at the combine. And then the other corner is Michael Jackson, who was originally drafted by Dallas, released and signed by Seattle. And then their slot corner is a rookie as well.

Yeah. Kobe Bryant. So I can't remember when I've seen that. And Walker, I mean, Walker is such a desirable combination of patience and decisiveness. He's got outstanding lateral juice. He's got great change of. direction. He's a fun guy to watch. Yeah. So Vikings bills this weekend. We said it, Jay Mack and I said this. You don't get indivision trades a lot, but especially,

especially ascending great young players. And, and T.J. Hawkinson is a terrific side end. I mean, I, you watch. What did you? I mean, like, I think the kids is, I think he changes their offense a little. Dramatically. I mean, look, you know that I evaluate college players because I, you know, I give you my notes on the quarterbacks, but I do other positions as well. And when he came in of Iowa a few years ago, he was one of the few guys that I can ever remember evaluating where I didn't have in my weakness column anything to type in, which means I didn't necessarily mean I thought he was going to be, you know, a Hall of Fame or year one. But this guy's a really good player.

And I think, you know, for whatever reason, it didn't work in Detroit. He wasn't a volume target. Who knows? But all of a sudden, he gets to Minnesota, catches nine balls last week. I think right now he's going to be their number two receiver behind Jefferson in terms of targets. I think T.J. Hackinson from a talent perspective is a top three or four tight end in the league. And one other thing, he's a really good inline blocker when he's attached to the formation. And we know they want to run the ball with Dalwin Cook.

So this to me was the most overlooked trade of that big trading flurry. No one seemed to talk about it. But this guy is a really, really good player. Cowboys Packers. It feels like an offense in Green Bay that's disjointed doesn't really know exactly what they are against a well-rested healthy defense that is just, I could just see Aaron in third and longs all day. That's what it feels like to me. I mean, you don't make predictions, but you tell me the Dallas defense looks fast and athletic.

it pressures you. And let's talk about the Green Bay offense. Is it broken or just limited in terms of talent? It's probably limited in terms of talent. And for whatever reason, Aaron Rogers is sort of fallen into that. I don't know what's in his head. You know,

we know he's a first ballot hall famer and arguably the greatest thrower for football we've ever seen. So, you know, we're not going to sit here and say the quarterback isn't any good. But I think that the quarterback is not comfortable right now. And no matter how great you are, if you're not comfortable and you're really not willing to throw the ball with the conviction and confidence that is demanded at the NFL level, no matter who you're throwing to, you can be throwing to you and I, Colin. At some point, your quarterback does have to throw with confidence and conviction. And I think that's rare right now with Aaron Rogers.

Then I think the past game suffers. And defense now, they've had a ton of injuries. and I'm very curious to see Dallas's offense because Dallas's offense, I think, works best. And I've always liked Dak Prescott. I think he's a very good quarterback. But I think their offense tends to work best when there is a greater semblance of balance between running past than when they just have Dak drop back 45 times and throw for, you know, 5,000 yards, which he's capable of doing. But I don't think that's the best way their offense works most efficiently. So Chargers-niners to me, I, listen, Brandon Staley, they hire him as a defensive coach.

And they can't stop the run. And this is the second straight year. I'm like, I always feel like Greg, when you hire a coach, he's got to figure out his side of the ball first. McVeigh figured out the Rams offense first. Lincoln, Riley, USC. You know, that's generally the way it works. McDermott figured out the defense before the O-line of the run game in Buffalo. I look at this matchup, and I'm like,

I think San Francisco may just pass the ball 12 times. I mean, seriously, when I watch these two teams play, I'm like, oh, this matchup could be ugly. You tell me, what is wrong with the Chargers defense? Scheme players? What is it? Yeah, I mean, scheme is always hard to say because normally, normally run game, when you're good on defense or when you're bad at it, it's not a mystery. You know, if you're bad at it, what normally happens is guys don't play in the right gaps with the necessary gap integrity.

They don't get off blocks and they miss tackles. It's not a mystery, Colin, as to why teams can't stop the run. So that's what happens. I'm fascinated by how the Niners are now going to use Samuel and McCaffrey together. Because Samuel, you know, was a full participant in practice yesterday, Wednesday. So he'll be ready to play. McCaffrey's obviously healthy. these are two players, and let's not forget Iyuk and Kittal now,

but Kaffrey and Samuel are two players that are multiple location players within your formation. And I'm very curious to see what Kyle Shanahan does. Because I think, again, when you have players like that, that dictates to defenses. That's what a lot of people don't think about. How do defenses want to respond to that? Do they want to get caught up in playing man coverage, particularly with a 49ers team that uses motion? almost as much as any team in the league, you get caught up.

And a lot of things defensively, you don't want to do. So a lot of teams react to that, Colin, by simply playing a static zone. And then the offense knows that, and it becomes easier to attack. So Jimmy Johnson said on Dallas radio, uh, either last couple days, he said, if you look at Philadelphia, it's a different style of offense, gives people problems right off the bat. Their scoring often comes early. Then a team adjusts.

They're not as dominant in the second half. And it does make me think now they're going to start playing teams in their division a second time. I'm not saying they're not going to win their division, and I'm not saying they're not very good. But there is part of this when you do run a unique offense and teams can't really even duplicate it in their prep. There's a reason Philadelphia jumps to these leads. It's a very unique. But it feels a little like Lamar early in his careers. teams it was just faster and the gap assignments were tougher so i'm not doubting philadelphia

but what jimmy's saying i feel is it sustainable are you tell me what do you what does the film tell you on philly and it's a great point because the bottom line is with this offense is they don't really run a lot of different kinds of plays this is not one of those offenses we know you've got the 250 page playbook right and they they run so many plays it's it's actually a an offense that does not run that many plays. They just run them really well, and you have the hurts factor as a runner. See, this is where the quarterback as a runner really helps you, particularly in the run game, but also in some of your past game concepts as well.

So, look, Jimmy Johnson certainly knows more than I do, and it's a very, it's a potentially valid point. Yes. Now, my guess is that Nick Siriani and his offensive staff know this too. So they're going to try to build so it looks fresh, even if they're not necessarily adding a ton of concepts, which teams normally don't do at this point in the season anyway, they'll try to run them from different looks, different formations, different personnel packages, line up people in different spots. But in terms of number of plays, number of concepts, it's not one of the most detailed or nuanced in the NFL. Yeah. Well, we learned a lot today.

I did. It's Greg CoSell NFL films. I get smarter every week. You teach me stuff about football. Hopefully the audience enjoys it too. I know they do. And I love seeing you. Again, thank you, Greg.

Thanks, Colin. I really appreciate it. Yeah. It's just I always feel like it gets smarter. You know more after than you did before. Hold on. I just do that ad out there. I think I'm supposed to read that.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sunday on Fox, an NFL doubleheader starts with the Vikings taking on the bills. Then it's one of the games of the year as historic rivals take center stage when Dak leads the Cowboys against Rogers and the Packers in a showdown for the ages at Lambo. All on Fox and the Fox Sports Act. It's actually a really good. Last week was kind of a slow weekend. This feels like a good week.

I was watching the games last weekend, and it was kind of not that I had a lot, apathy, but it wasn't, I didn't think it was a great Sunday. Like college football will give you three great Saturdays a year. Like unbelievable. College football maybe gives you two to three weekends a year where it kind of feels off. Yeah. And I thought last week was a little dull. I was at my son's volleyball tournament watching Red Zone on the app on my phone the whole time.

And then the games got chaotic. And I was like, you know, I got to get to a TV. So I actually left to go to a television where there was like four games coming down of the final minute. It was a little hectic at the end, but you're right, on paper, not like great matchups. I tend to, I do the red zone. You got to do the belt. And then I, I use Fubo for, like, I'm on my phone or my screen for the big game. There's one game I want to watch. I have jets automatically on a separate television. Yeah. And then I have the local ones and then the red zone. Yeah. I'm a little bit of a number. A lot of people are a red zone fan because they're like,

well, I want to watch the entire game. I've heard that from older fans. And to me, I just like, I just, you know, You've got to watch all the games. Well, no, I shouldn't say that. Houston Texan's games. That's corner TV and I turn the TV off. Is the entire game mean I'm going to sit there through commercials? No, of course not. No, no.

But I think Red Zone's been a great, I love it. One of the greatest inventions, perhaps since air conditioning in the United States. FaceTime. FaceTime's amazing. I don't use FaceTime that often. I use it seven times a day. My son just passed his driving test. he's in Nevada.

He's literally... So you don't call him, you FaceTime him. Every time. Really? I FaceTime all day long. Huh. Yeah. I think FaceTime's the greatest invention since soup.

Whoever came up with soup was brilliant. But Campbell, I think, right? Campbell's... Yeah, it's just like hot, brothy. It's amazing. But at FaceTime, of all the things in my life, the TV is probably number one. FaceTime is amazing. One time, my daughter was in...

She went on a leadership council, you know, way overseas. South Africa. I'm on the beach in Manhattan Beach. And we are FaceTiming. And she's in a small room with the door closed, going to bed. If I recall, she was... It's kind of cool. And it was clear as day and no delay.

And I'm like, how is this working? She's in a small room in South Africa. I was up and down a beach. And I don't remember it was an afternoon or night or whatever it was. But she's like, you know, kind of sleepy. And I call her. She's like, hey. and I'm like, yeah, I'm in your room.

How is it getting through the walls? Do you people that can create this stuff? I got to say, FaceTiming your parents is weird because they don't know how to like line up the face. So you're getting like the forehead. I'm like, dad, can you? And they're watching now because they watch every show. Ryan, do you use FaceTime at all? Are you a face?

Very rarely. Yeah. Why? He doesn't have kids yet. Come on. You know. That's how you came. When you're a dad, they don't want to see you.

That's it. I get like 90 seconds three times a day. Sorry to waste your time, folks, but I'm fascinated with FaceTime. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Start with Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy, the big Fox game on Sunday afternoon.

The two worked together for nearly 13 years. Aaron Rogers, he's grateful for the time he had with his former coach. That's nice. We've always kind of been in touch a little bit more, I'd say the last year or so. I think as time goes by, the gratitude for that time as you look back on the journey, your career goes up a little bit. You appreciate the little things a little bit more because really this game and life is about the journey. I'll always be tied with him because of the connection that we had and the years we spent together. Obviously my longest-tenured coach, longest-tenured play caller.

Thankful for those years and thankful maybe a little bit more. as the years go by. That's a nice thing to say. I like that, Aaron Rock. I love how he gets so thoughtful, the journey or the destination. Which is it? Which one are you? Journey, obviously.

Come on. You're not a destination guy? The destination's always ever evolving. There's no end. That's a good point. It's high to your parents and had no idea they watch. Hey, a couple numbers for you. A good son works hard.

So you know I'm watching the gambling markets during the show. You are a constant gambling market guy. Money on the Packers has hit the market today, down to four and a half from five. Now, five's an irrelevant number. but four is kind of a big one. Colin, some numbers for you that I was just digging up here. You want to guess who's last in the NFL on fourth down conversions this year? Green Bay.

Green Bay. Three for 15, 20 percent. Last year, Colin, they were ninth in the NFL. So fourth down, don't have Devante Adams, struggle bus. Red zone. Two years ago, they were first in the league. Last year, they fell to 18th. This year, 23rd.

Packers are hurting, and it's not just Aaron Rogers. Like, the receivers aren't clicking, the offensive line in a spotty. So why is money coming in on the Packers? Give it some thought. Let that marinate before you pick the Cowboys. Is there a reason? Are you just saying that? I mean, there's got to be a reason, right?

These are sharp professional breadbeders coming in heavy. I'm not a professional better. I bet games, but I'm not a professional. Is there a reason? Is there an injury to Dallas? I don't think there's an injury. I think they know that the regression for the Packers is going to eventually turn and they're going to flip this thing around.

Like, they can't be as bad as they were against the Jets and the Giants and the second half. They're frigging lions. They played bad for a month. Get to the Red Zone three times. against the Lions had two interceptions. They could do nothing. All right. Just keep an eye on the Packers this week. What's the number again? Down to four and a half. I think we'll see a four eventually.

Wow. Okay. This is the biggest underdog Aaron Rogers has ever been at home in Green Bay. It's just crazy. That's going to be great. All right, next up. Chargers. Geez, we don't talk about them enough lately. I don't know how they're going to stop the Niners run game. I do not know how they're going to do it. I don't like the number, but the Chargers can't stop the run. The Niners now are getting Elijah Mitchell back. Could this be just a bloodbath?

I don't know. Could it be? I thought that was my word. I do like hearing you say it, but Chargers are five and three. Listen, there's a tough test with the Niners are coming off the by, getting healthy. And Steve Young, because Steve Young chimes in all the time now, gave a pretty harsh review about the dysfunction within the Chargers. The Chargers are neither fished or foul. If you think about the top echelon teams, especially in the EFC, Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Dolphins,

they are all guys that teams that are well-coached, innovative, are going to throw their way there. And the chargers are not that team. They don't have the weapons. They don't prepare that way. Their offense isn't built that way. They're not a 2020-innovative offense. They're not. They have the guy.

Justin Herbert, honestly, is, you know, I really do believe he's generational, like Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. And, like, he is that guy. But I don't believe he's got the help. I totally agree. I said this to somebody I have great respect for in this league. And I said, what are they? So you hire a defensive coach and they're bad defensively back-to-back ears. McVeigh solved the Rams offense. Didn't make it perfect, but solved it. McDermott solved the Bill's defense. Stefansky cleaned up Baker-Mayfield. You got to crush. You know what I mean? You got to crush your side of the ball. in the first couple years.

Their defense has gotten worse. And I think, and now it looks like Herbert's regressing. Well, Herbert's had a tough go. No Keenan Allen, Mike Williams last week. All right. That's one thing against Atlanta. Okay, but I got news for you. Lamar Jackson's guys are hurt.

Garoppolo's guys are all hurt. That's great. You can't just give me the hurt stuff. Josh Allen's had guys hurt all year. Aaron, well, Aaron's struggling. But everybody's got somebody that's who's healthy in the NFL today. Speaking of injuries. Brady's guys are all hurt.

Trey Pipkins on the Chargers' Offensive line. Missed Practice yesterday. If he's a no-go, you know who will be starting. Gentlemen by the name of Storm Norton, we remember him from Week 18 against the Raiders last year. I don't want to get into it. He could not block Crosby to save his life. Do you think he

has a chance against Nick Bosa this weekend? Are they matched up? Chargers could get destroyed to the point that Brandon Staley's opening the show on Monday on the hot seat. If they get destroyed in the Friday night game, so it's standing alone. It's everybody's going to want. It's not a one- clock game. We're all watching on a corner TV. This is the game. Remember the last time they were

on a standalone against the Broncos? I was there. Unwatchable. You were there. They're unwatchable the chargers offensively. And now no receivers? Offensive line depleted? I'm worried about Justin Herbert. The line is seven. The fact that somebody thinks Justin Herbert needs seven. And if I had to bet today, I would take the Niners. I would as well. Final story. All right. Here we go. U.S. roster for the World Cup was announced yesterday. Stars like Christian Pulisic and West McKinney, obviously headline the 26-man group, but the big surprise goalkeeper Zach Stefan, not included. Listen, he was basically the number one keeper through most of World Cup qualifying, left off

the team. Matt Turner, likely to take the top spot. I had Alexei Lollas on my podcast this week. We were talking about a forward. Ricardo Pepi, very good player, left off the roster. I mean, listen, Burhalter made some interesting moves. I don't know how into this you are. I thought, no, I am.

into it. But I thought Matt Turner was viewed. He's good. I thought he was viewed as the one. He was going to be the guy, but Stefan had been playing well. He's been with the U.S. national team a while. Like, everybody likes him, good club team. But Turner was the one.

Yeah. But it was like for Stefan to not even be the backup. He left off the roster. Like, listen, this is tough. England announced their roster earlier this morning. England's got their best team, maybe ever. Frank, they are so loaded, Colin. We've got to beat Wales in the opener.

It must win. Well, we're going to beat Wales. you know who's the best player on Wales is the guy who scored for L-AFC to tie it up in overtime. Bale, I had an interesting situation with him in Cabo. We were at the same resort as him. His bodyguards are larger than anyone I've ever seen. Massive. At any rate.

We're going to get out of the group stage. We're not going to beat England, I don't think. We just want to, if we could be – Take a tie against England. Could you go two-one? Competitive, good for self-esteem. You're in the game. When you get the tie, you get a point.

We'll take it. But you even beat Wales, tie England. And then we whip up on Iran and the first. final game, I shouldn't say, you know, everyone's going for some stuff. But we got to get out the group stage. We're the youngest team at the World Cup. We got to get out of, if we can get out of

the group stage, you got to look at it and think we're making progress. We couldn't make the last World Cup. Let's not discuss that. It was awful. It was awful. It was bad. Big few months ahead for Fox. We got the World Cup. We got the Super Bowl in February. We got what

matters. The bottom line is, in the fall, here's what I care about. College football, NFL, and when the World Cup's on, I'm in. First World Cup in the fall. I'm not even going to, and not against the NBA, but I'm not going to watch a lot of NBA. This is good news for the Lakers who could. Nobody will watch.

They might go over five and nobody knows because everyone watching USA England. All right. Jay Mack with the news. You know? Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m.

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Good show today. Good show today. It's not that I don't think Philadelphia is good. I do. But the question becomes, you know, is it sustainable? They've got a little bit of a feel of that 14 and 2 Baltimore Ravens team where it's a unique offense. We had some doubts about the quarterback and a lot of people did. And then all of a sudden the team says, we're going to go all in and build around this unique offense.

And it is hard to defend. It's unique. It's hard to replicate it. practice and it does feel like it plays better with a lead than playing from behind. Lamar Early playing from behind. There was criticism. You know, Jalen Hertz is two and nine in his career playing, trailing at halftime, you know, but by the way, Baltimore has been wildly successful, but the question with Philadelphia isn't whether they're going to get to the playoffs is, are they going to do, you know, one, two, three, four, can they win multiple playoff games?

Jimmy Johnson, and I think everybody likes Philadelphia, but Jimmy Johnson brings up the question about sustainability. Can you play from behind? Here's Jimmy. I think this is the best Cowboys team that I've seen. I'm still not 100% sold on Philadelphia. The NACs down. I think the Cowboys have as good a shot, in fact, a better shot than most anybody there, and it'll come down to that Christmas Eve game against the Eagles. Why aren't you totally sold on Philly yet? If you look at Philadelphia, they run a little different style of offense that gives people problems right off the bat.

And most of their scoring comes early, especially in the second quarter. But once the team adjust to that different style, the second half, they're playing them touching gold. And the other thing is a team playing them for the second time will be that better prepared for them.

I think it's a reasonable criticism. It's not even a criticism. It's just a, you know, the Baltimore team, it was a hyper athletic mobile quarterback. at people had doubts. The team's like, we like you, and we're going to build around you. And the first full year that Lamar could start, the first full year, he pops.

The second full year, Jalen hurts, he pops. Now, Jalen wasn't as highly coveted as Lamar was as a pro prospect. And so Lamar's probably more, you know, I think he's more gifted. You know, he's a top 10 quarterback. And so, and then all of a sudden, you start seeing and hearing like, well, can they play from behind? Because in this league, you know, Baker Mayfield was great with a lead late. It's a totally different league.

Mahomes is great playing from behind. Right. Like that's the difference between winning Super Bowls. And right now Philadelphia is in that we think we can win the Super Bowl class. So I do seem, you know, some similarities to Baltimore where they're all on this quarterback. They play downhill. It's hard to prepare for. And as much as I love Lamar, I'm the ultimate Lamar defender now.

He's got one playoff win. And so, you know, I'm interested to watch Philadelphia. I don't doubt anything about them. it's more about, I feel like I've seen little bits and pieces. It's very, very difficult. We went back yesterday. You have to go back to 2006 where the last team in the league to be undefeated won the Super Bowl. And in many instances, the last team to go undefeated, that was the Colt.

They went 9 and 0. A lot of these teams did better than the Colt in the regular season. The winning streak was longer, and they got whacked in the first round. So you've got to go back to 2006, where regular. season greatness, longest, undefeated team equaled a Super Bowl. And Philadelphia has already won a recent Super Bowl. They're not in this thing to get to the playoffs and win a playoff game.

So let me clear this something up real quick. You know, the Eagles have still not trailed in the second half once. So Colin, he says he's not 100% sold. I get that. But who's beating them in the playoffs in Philadelphia? Because they're going to be hosting all the playoff games. Well, again, we find out that home field in the playoffs hasn't helped Aaron Rogers as the number one seat. Didn't help Tennessee last year as the number one seat. What you find in the

playoffs, this is not college football. Byes, a lot of times if a team's hot, stop the momentum, you know? You want to play. But tell me who's beating, who do you think is in Philly in Philly in January? And we just cross-Corpososos and off the list. San Francisco. Yes, that's the one team that can beat Philadelphia. Well, he only takes one. What do you want eight? Well, he said he's not 100% solved. By the way, what if they beat Dallas twice? You're going to beat Dallas three times? Well, the win over Cooper Rush, you kind of toss out. Okay.

Oh, okay. You're making up rules as we go. I'm just saying who can beat them. I don't know if they could beat Dallas three times. You know, I mean, San Francisco matches up. I'm trying to be honest. Philadelphia drubbed Minnesota. Can they get up to play them again at home so you don't think Philadelphia can win?

I don't think Minnesota can win. I don't think Minnesota has a chance in a rematch in Philly in January. No shot. Brady and the Bucks rolled over. for Philly and Phil. Kurt Cousins is not Tom Brady, young man. I called you a young man. You're not a young man. But, dang, that was kind of a dig, wasn't it? Yeah. A little bit sorry. Apologies. Kurt Cousins ain't winning in Philadelphia, especially if it's not a prime time game in January. You thought about securing your home with home security? Putting it off. Don't need longer. Number one read it to SimplySafe home security. 50% off. Go to Simplyave.com. Today, no safe like SimplySafe. Hour 3 next. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me.

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