The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NFL free agent market

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

More on the Jets moving on from Aaron Rodgers and his possible future Some possible scenarios for the NFL free agent market Colin believes Matthew Stafford could make the Giants a playoff team   Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good week for Chris Broussard. Finally got over on old friend Nick Wright. Old Nick had a bad week so far. So sad to see. You hate to see that. She's losing a Super Bowl. It's devastating. devastating for the whole.

I don't know how the community will bounce back. I don't. It was a tough loss. I mean, you're out 34-0-0. 34-0. So I'm just reading an article this morning on the top 100 free agents in the NFL. And there's a list of people out here. And I'll get to this in a minute or two.

I do think there's one free agent that I would break the bank on, that one that I really, really like. I break the bank, I'll slow down. But one that I would really pursue if I was about 6-17. I'll get to that in a second. But the biggest spenders in free agency last year were the Titans, the Panthers, and the Falcons. And I kind of liked what Atlanta did, but there's a real separation between good GM and bad GM. Last year, a good GM got Baker, Jason Light. A good GM got Bonn and Seekwon Barkley.

Josh Jacobs went to the Packers, Mark Gooden Coon's, excellent move. So some smart GMs last year, some transformational players. I mean, Josh Jacobs changed the offense for the Packers. a great get. The draft is how you scout college players. Free agency is how you scout NFL players. Now, the Eagles do both very well. The Patriots did very poorly

in the college draft the last six, seven years of Belichick. So a prime example, here's a guy that you know I love Sam Darnold. But getting Sam Darnold last year in free agency was great. You paid him nothing in Minnesota. You had a great left tackle, great receivers, and a very smart

offensive coach in a division with no great defenses. I thought Sam Darnold was a great pickup for Minnesota, and he had a rookie quarterback, that you would prefer he could sit and watch a veteran for a year. But Sam Darnold now is a free agent, scares me, because now you're going to have to pay him $37 million. And he's not going to get an offensive coach,

I would guess, as good as Kevin O'Connell, and he's not getting Justin Jefferson. Right? And he's probably not getting as good a left tackle. So I like Sam Darnold, but it's a cautionary tale. He was a great free agent at that price point in that situation for Minnesota, I'm not sure. You know, I think with Chip Kelly, and they have a good left tackle,

but, you know, like, for instance, they don't have the weapons on the outside in Vegas that they did in Minnesota. There is no Justin Jefferson. They have Jacobi Myers, that's it. So the player that I think is fascinating that I would pay for is T. Higgins. Now, I think he's either a low-end one or the best two in the league. But if I was the Chargers, I'd go get him. If I was the Patriots, I'd go get him.

If I was Washington, I would go get him. I like T. Higgins a lot. Cincinnati's cheap. They always have been. They pay Burl. They'll pay Jemar Chase. I don't think they'll pay him. He is a pro.

I think he's pretty durable. He's got good hands. Now, the thing you worry about a little bit is Jemar Chase gets double team, so he usually gets the second best corner or the third best corner. But I found, was it last year that Jemar Chase got hurt or the year before? T. Higgins stepped up as a one. and was very good. He was very, very good going against number one corners.

So this is the free agent. I see this list of guys. There's a lot of guys I like. I'm not spending big money for. T. Higgins, I'd spend money for. I'm not going to name names. A lot of those guys like them, don't love them, not spending big money. And again, last year, Titans, big spenders in free agency.

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Okay. So JMAQ mentioned it last week, and I was like, whatever, I was worried about the Super Bowl. And then all of a sudden I'm reading you, and then I made a call yesterday, and people said, no, no, the Stafford Giants thing, there's meat on the bone here. Listen, Daybull and Joe Shane, Albert, if for no other reason, they've got a win. He gives them immediate credibility, does he not? If I said to you 50-50, is that a reasonable percentage on if it could happen or not, Stafford of the Giants? I don't know if it's 50-50.

I think if it were up to the Giants, it might be greater than that. The Giants have already been aggressive about looking at their options, both in the veteran market and obviously with the way they've scattered quarterbacks. over the last three or four months. So they are looking at every option, turning over every rock. Really so much this boils down to where the negotiation goes with the Rams.

And I think a lot of that probably starts to crystallize when we get to the combine in Indianapolis in a couple of weeks. And if you want to look at what that's about, well, look at what they did during the last off season. There's a very difficult negotiation. It took six months for them to find resolution. They moved $5 million forward into $20,

2024 guarantee all this money, remove all the guarantees for 2025 and beyond, and then agree that they're going to revisit it. Now they're at the point where they need to revisit it. So what determines whether or not Stafford's going to be there? How much does Matthew Stafford want? How much of it's going to be guaranteed? On the flip side, are the Rams who are very young now able to get a commitment from Matthew Stafford that he's more than just year to year, that he's going to play the next two or three years. I think all these things will play into how that thing winds up breaking down with the Rams. Again, there's some water under the there. The negotiation wasn't easy last year. That's right. And now we'll see where they go.

I think Sean McVeigh would love to have Matthew Stafford back in 2025. But the team looks a lot different than it did a couple of years ago. And I will say if they decide they're open for business on Stafford, if somebody's willing to give them a first round pick and maybe something else, I think they listen. And again, the Giants have been very, very aggressive in looking at quarterback options. I think Stafford would be one for them. And Stafford, remember, has some background in that Patriot style of offense having played from that, Petretia in Detroit. Yeah, and also I think

it's made it public that he loves Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup, I was told. The Rams didn't love that he went public with something they were trying to keep private. So it's gotten to be a little turbulent there. Now, I'm going to throw this at you. I do believe you watch Peyton Manning go to Denver

and win a title. Stafford, L.A. title. Tom Brady Tampa title. I do not believe Aaron Rogers wants it to end like this. He leaves Green Bay, they get better, and the Jets is a disaster. I think he needs a third act.

I think he, I honestly, with a second-tier coaching staff last year, he was pretty damn good in the last 10 games, and that was not a good staff. That was interim coach. It was, I mean, it just wasn't a good staff. I'm just going to throw this out there. I'm the Rams.

I get a number one pick. I can trade it down, accumulate picks for next year's draft to get a quarterback. I don't think it's crazy. Aaron to the Rams rent a quarterback. I don't think it's nuts. Am I nuts? He lives there?

He lives out there, right? Yes, I think he goes to L.A. for a year or two. By the way, Aaron is dying for stability. A head coach he respects. And I think he looks at McVehan thinks, you know, his brother, LaFleur's brother's, the OC. It makes sense to me. Well, let's look back at what, you know, what Aaron's, you know, where Aaron's head is at, too. I mean, he told me it was a couple weeks to go before the season that he didn't want to go out like that after the Achilles injury.

And that was one reason why he was coming back for 2025. And he wanted to have not one but two good years. And everything that he said, everything he's messaged would tell you that he will come back. Because going out the way that he went out with the Jets this year's worse than going out with the Achilles, right? Like going out with the team is playing out the string. And I do think he's got something left. I've talked to some people who have studied him, didn't just watch him who've studied him. One pro scouting director said, if you go back and you look at that Jacksonville game,

you can see a guy who still sees and thinks the game at a very high level and a guy who can still really throw it. And year two, coming back off the Achilles for a quarterback of his age should be better than year one coming back off the Achilles. So I do think that he's got something to offer somebody. And look, like the idea of playing in that system for that coach, I think would appeal to any quarterback. For the same reason it appealed to Stafford back in 2021, it would appeal to. Aaron Rogers, the idea of going there. You got a good young base of talent. You could build off of it.

It's got some of the things the Jets had when he went there, and he'd be home in Los Angeles. I don't think they'd be the only team that'd be interested. I think Pittsburgh would have an interest in him. You know, the Giants, I don't know if the Jets would let that happen, but if they release them, they wouldn't have any control over it. The Giants that they could have an interest. The Browns could have an interest.

I think there will be interested in Aaron Rogers. And the idea of like that musical quarterbacks thing that you're playing out there where maybe Stafford is out and Rogers is, it wouldn't solve the long-term issue for the Rams. But, you know, it is a way to band-aid the problem in a different way. Yeah, it's really, really interesting. I've said this. I thought Darnold was a great pickup last year, circumstantially.

Good left tackle, Justin Jefferson, weak defensive division, Kevin O'Connell, low expectations, let J.J. McCarthy bake. On the free agent market, you know, paying him 40, it may be a different ballgame. game. The Raiders is interesting. They do not have an elite weapon on the outside. Chip Kelly, stable coach, Colton Miller left tackle, two excellent tight ends. Darnold Vegas, he's a West Coast kid. Do you think they'd make a run at him? Do you think that's viable for the Raiders? I think it's a really good fit. I think because of what Sam Darnold is as a quarterback and a guy you want to get him playing fast, You want to maximize his athleticism.

I think he 100% would fit what Chip Kelly's trying to build out there offensively. And look, I think too many people are looking at Sam Darnold the wrong way, right? Which is, like, if you sign him to a Baker-Mayfield type of contract, say 100 over 3, 110 over 3, whatever the number is, like, okay, like that's it. That's our quarterback going forward. Why couldn't he be what Alex Smith was for Andy Reid in Kansas City, where he was a really good quarterback who got you to the playoffs? a bunch and bought you time to find Patrick Mahomes, especially in a year when there's probably

not an answer in the draft where the Raiders are picking, you know? So I think the idea of bringing in Darnold as sort of this short-term, long-term bridge that gives you some flexibility that fits the offense you're trying to build, makes a ton of sense. I think he could make some sense for the Rams, too, if they do wind up moving on from Stafford, because he does have experience in that offense. He played for Kevin O'Connell, who worked under Sean McVeigh. And then he played for Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco. So I think Vegas and the Rams, if they were to move on from Stafford, would be good landing spots for Donald.

The question, of course, is whether or not they let him go. The Vikings are very comfortable with J.J. McCarthy right now. There is a little question about him putting some weight back on. So that's something we're going to have to watch over the next few weeks. But, you know, they really like what they've seen from J.J. McCarthy. He pushed Donald in August. He made it at least a conversation in August. So I think what the Vikings do here is they probably say to Sam, go see what's out there for you.

We'd love to have you back. Please give us a chance to match or have a discussion after you get some offers. But if they have to go forward with JJ McCarthy, I think they're comfortable with that, again, provide that he can get his weight and strength back coming back off the knee injury. And, you know, I think going forward now, like Sam Darnel is going to have some opportunity out there, maybe at the Baker-Mayfield level of contract. I want to ask you about this. What the Giants are telling you with the number three pick, this interest in Stafford is,

and Darnold, we don't love the quarterbacks. And I think Shadur is better than people are thinking, but I'm telling you, you sniff around on this. I've had people tell me they think the best player is that wide receiver at Arizona or Carter from Penn State. Like, it's just not a quarterback class that you want to put your arms around. What are you hearing on this?

Is there, do you think we'll have movement? Do the Titans take a quarterback? It's very easy to argue the Titans, Browns, Giants would take quarterbacks in most drafts. I could see all of them trading down, Albert. Yeah. But the question becomes, then, what are you coming up for?

You know, the consensus I've gotten from teams is there are two Blue Chip players in the draft. I think it's Abdul Carter, the edge rusher from Penn State, and then two-way star, of course, the Heisman winner, Travis Hunter, from Colorado. And there are varying opinions on guys like the one you mentioned,

Tedroa, McMillan from Arizona, Will Johnson and Mason Graham from Michigan, Will Campbell from LSU, Jalen Walker from Georgia. There's a big variance of opinions. As far as I can tell so far, I've made all my calls, obviously, yet. There are big variance of opinions on those guys.

So the question becomes then, yes, I mean, there are going to be teams like the Titans at 1, the Patriots at 4, the Jaguars at 5, all those teams could look to move down, right? And I think all those teams will look to move down. The question is what somebody is coming up for, right? Are they coming up for Abdul Carter when Jalen Walker or Michael Williams is there for them later in the top ten? Are they coming up for Travis Hunter when they could get maybe Will Johnson later in the top 10?

Are they coming up for one of the quarterbacks? And that's what I think is key about the top of the draft is how hot does Cam Ward get? How hot does Shador Sanders get? And how far separate are those two guys? from what maybe Jackson Dart from Old Miss is going to be at the top of the second round. To me, that determines the value of the draft or the value of those picks at the top. And so I think for guys, for teams like the Titans, like the Patriots, like the Jaguars, that could look to move down, you have to be rooting for the quarterbacks to get hot.

Otherwise, I don't know that those picks at the top of the draft are going to have the kind of value that's going to attract teams to come up and get them. You know, I've got to throw this out there. people, I think fans tend to think all these owners are billionaires and they're all on a rigid salary cap. But the difference between the money that the Eagles generate, even on game day and what the Bengals do, I mean, I went to the website this morning.

The Eagles have 21 scouts in their scouting department. If you go to the Bengals website, they have four. Joe Burrow has made three public comments about T. Higgins. I don't think they're going to pay them. I think Joe Burrow, and for the record, we've seen their top players. I mean, Jamar Chase, Hendricks. I mean, this team had the best quarterback statistically, the best edge rusher, and the best receiver who hit the Triple Crown,

and they don't seem happy. What do you make of all these Burrow public comments? Because my guess is they will not pay Higgins. They're the most intriguing team this offseason to me. And what they do, I think, could be as pivotal to, their next decade as any team in the NFL over the next two, three, four, five months. Joe Burroughs one of the smartest players I've ever been around. He's one of the savviest players I've ever been around. He's the son of a coach. He's the little brother of two

guys who are linebackers at Nebraska. He's been around big-time football his entire life. He played for two major programs, one international championship in college, played in the Super Bowl in his second year. He's seen a lot for a guy at his age. And he's aware, and he was aware when he, you know, when he came out in 2020 of what the Bengals are and what the Bengals have been historically over the years. And the willingness of Mike Brown to spend on his roster, to spend on his operation, he's lived it. You know, it took forever for them to get an indoor facility built. And that happened just recently. But that, it took a long time for a team that's playing the climate the Cincinnati is to have a place where they could practice with a roof over their heads.

So, I mean, I think he knows what's at stake here. I think he wants to compete for championships in the worst way. I think that is his singular focus and priority. And I don't think it's any mistake that he said the things that he said over the last two weeks. In fact, Colin, if you go back and you look over the last four or five months, he's been saying this stuff for a while. Yes. He's been going to bat for Jemar Chase. He's been going to bat for Trey Hendrickson. He's He's been going to bat for T. Higgins to try to keep those guys together. And I just think Joe knows the score here. Joe knows what it's going to take to compete for a championship in the AFC

when you've got the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens that you're competing against for the foreseeable future. You need players and you need talent. And it takes more than just a quarterback. And I think Joe is, you know, for my money, if there's a quarterback you take over the next 10 years, I think it's those two. It's Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrough.

And the Bengals have a precious commodity on their hands. They need to listen to their quarterback here. And they need to work with their quarterback to get what he wants done, done. And I'm not saying that you should cut Coutowtow to every single demand that every player has. But I think to keep him happy over the next 10 years and to compete for championships the next 10 years, they need to do some of the things that he's asking them to do. And there are smart people in that building who I think will find a way to get that done. but it's a very critical offseason when it comes to that stuff for the Bengals, no doubt about it.

By the way, the Patriots, the commanders, and the Chargers would be better teams tomorrow with T. Higgins. So it's like you can let T go. He has absolutely got a great market. I mean, think about the Chargers, Colin, right? The Chargers, now you've got your receiver. You got Joe Walt and Rishon Slater, tackle Justin Herbert. Maybe you drafts. Like, maybe you trade up and draft Ashton Gentie. Now all of a sudden you're rolling.

You know, there are a lot of teams that could look at T. Higgins and you're assuming he's not. not going to be Alvin Harper in the mid-90s. I heard you talking about this in the way in where the number two becomes number one and it's not the same thing. That's obviously a projection, but I think Higgins has got the chops to be a number one receiver, a true number one receiver. And so, yeah,

there's a lot on the line for Cincinnati here. There are teams that would be lining up to take their shot at T. Higgins if he becomes available in the middle of March. Yeah, not all free agents are equal, that's for sure. Albert Brerzzo is. Monday morning quarterback. Good senior, bud. All right, you too, Colin. Yeah, it's, yeah, he's really good.

No getting around that. You know, it's like, you're the T. Higgins. You're a one. When I leave, you show everybody. You get like 12 targets and 10 catches. No doubt about it. It's got to make sure the people upstairs understand that. You know, that's the key.

Wow. We're better run than the Bengals, I'll tell you that. I'm really not picking on the Bengals, but when you're in a division with Lamar Jackson and Baltimore's organization, that's the standard I'm going to hold you to. You haven't used this phrase in a while, but buttoned up,

it feels like the Bengals is just loosey-goosey, not locking you. I just don't think they have the money. Do you know if you take out the Packers that don't have an owner, they have the poorest owners? You are you sure they only have four scouts? That's embarrassing. Go to the website. Four?

And I think one of them works on the website. Oh, damn. Wow. No, I mean, Philadelphia, people forget this in the NFL. The difference between the Rams game day revenue, like Eagles have huge game day revenue. I was told that when the Rams moved, there's not a lot of money in St. Louis, for instance, or Cincinnati.

There's not? There's not. I didn't know that. No, no. So when the Rams moved to L.A. from St. Louis, everybody was banging on Stan Cronky. I was told that even at the Coliseum, which is a college stadium, and it wasn't, they didn't have sweets, they didn't have anything.

The Rams made more money. in a temporary college football stadium on game day than the St. Louis Rams made in an NFL stadium. Now, so now, what do you think SOFI generates on game day? Dude, if you go to SOFI Stadium, there must be 12 different places to drink and eat. Like they have, I mean, every deck has just got places. It's more of the newest stadiums in the country. It's amazing.

I mean, there's like how many restaurants in that place? It is just a revenue center. So, and then you got places like Cincinnati where they had to sell stadium naming rights just to pay for Burrell's contract. Like, if you think everybody's dealing with the same stuff here, you know what the Raiders, by the way? Do you know why the Raiders keep firing coaches and GMs? Because they have two new people that bought into the franchise.

So Mark Davis is now suddenly infused with massive cash. And, you know, that's why the Raiders are like, let's pay for people. Carol, let's get rid of this guy. Suddenly they've got in their infuse. They used to be more along the lines of the Bengals didn't have a lot of money. Now they've got new ownership revenue flying in. Raiders are rich.

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If the audience only knew. Let's get started with Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. I don't know. This is written as they came up short in the postseason. but I was not impressed with that game against Buffalo. I know they had the turnovers, but Baltimore, which looked awesome for most of the season, really kind of disappointed in that playoff loss.

And now they have the fourth best odds to win the Super Bowl next year. In a recent interview, their superstar safety, Kyle Hamilton said the Ravens have everything you want to win a championship, adding, I've had so many people ask me what the Ravens are missing. I'm like, literally nothing. There's no excuses. And... Well, Buffalo was better.

Buffalo's better. I don't think. With Buffalo, sometimes, I question whether they can get over the hump with Sean McDermott. I don't question that because John Harbaugh's got a trophy. What about Lamarck? I love him. I know, in the regular season. What about the players?

Well, come on. Did he have a good playoff game yes or no against the Buffalo Bills? I don't remember the exact numbers. How convenient. What were they? To forget. I'll call them up. They've got to be missing something, Colin.

They keep coming up short of the playoffs. They can't beat Andy Reed and Mahomes, okay. and they lost a Josh Allen and Buffalo. Okay. What were his numbers in the playoffs? Okay. Against Buffalo, he was 18 of 25 for 254. Yeah.

Pretty good. Two touchdowns, one interception. Pretty good. Sacked twice, only rushed for 39 yards. What was his passer rating? And I believe he had a fumble as well. His passer rating, do you think that matters? Yeah.

What was it? 11.4. It's interesting. One of the greatest passer ratings ever in playoff history. No, no, that's not accurate. But Colin, he also had the fumble that, It was brutal. Mark Andrews had the drop and Mark Andrews had the fumble. Mark Andrews had, and Mark Andrews would tell you this, his worst game as a pro.

That was a mark. You know, I think Mark's great. I love him. This is Rick. Every postseason, it's somebody else. Oh, well, we couldn't get by the teeth. Mark Andrews had his worst game ever. It's everybody except Lamar Jackson.

At some point, doesn't he have to put on the cape and be Superman in a playoff game in January? Oh, yeah, he's never done that. Has he? In January? What? It's much easier to be Superman for Jalen Hertz when you have the Eagles personnel. Gosh, this is, this is what a noise. I always love this.

This is always like, this is like Buckeye fan. Let's fire Ryan Day. Who else is out there? I didn't say fire in Lamar Jackson. No, but a lot of these knuckleheads after that Michigan loss. Let's run them out of town. Ohio State football is a big job. Not any guy at Toledo or Dayton, Ohio can BYU can fill in.

Who are you going to get? Who are you going to hire? You got to find somebody. Okay. Get rid of Lamar Jackson. Now, listen. I'm not saying get rid of Lamar Jackson. I was never a fire Ryan Day guy.

I'm just pointing out that Lamar at some point has to outplay one of his contemporaries in a big playoff game in January. Is that accurate? Well, he was on his way to doing that. His receiver stopped running up the sideline. He had a pick. Mark Andrews fumbled.

Mark Andrews dropped a ball. Seems like to me it wasn't that one. It seems like you're kind of sort of misremembering. Lamar had an interception in the first half. He had a fumble. No, the fumble was on a terrible. snap that he had to be Superman and recover, then got banged on and lost the ball. So we're writing the snap for the fumble.

And then the receiver stopped running down the sideline. Receiver stopped running and then Mark Andrews. Okay. So Lamar, I mean, hey. Let me tell you something. Kid gloves, baby. Lamar, I guess he can't criticize it. The easiest check to write every two weeks for the Ravens is Lamar Jackson's check.

He's a superstar. You sign that check every day. I have him as one of the four best quarterbacks in the league. But now you want him to be. all four, well, actually, Josh Allen has been to a conference championship, but he hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl. Burroughs's been there. Mahomes has obviously been there and won it.

I don't know. Over under one and a half Super Bowl trips in his career for Lamar Jackson. Over under one and a half. Over. Do you think he's got two in the future with Mahomes and Alan there and Herbert on the come up? Steve Young's in the Hall of Fame. Took him 14 seasons to win a title. Well, he was a backup for early in his career, and he came from, like, the USFL.

You know, when you only started watching sports seven, eight years ago, sometimes you guys lose the ability to contextualize stuff. I know some of you guys out there, you know, 24 years old, you think Michael Jordan never missed a shot. This is one of these frisky, thirsty Thursdays that we're having over here. Trisky. Just really getting into it. Next up, oh, let's go to Aaron Rogers. The man, the myth, the legend, the jets are moving on from the bum.

Fourtime MVP has been linked to a few teams, namely the Raiders, Steelers, Niners, Saints, and Seahawks. Max Crosby, the Raiders says he wouldn't be mad about the idea of Rogers joining him in Vegas. We got some numbers of Aaron Rogers compared to the Raiders' quarterbacks last season. Yeah, the Raiders had a poo-poo platter of QB's Gardner Minshue, Aidan O'Connell. I think there was some other guy in there. Raiders need a quarterback, a number one. wide receiver and a running back, they could get all of them by the second round. They've got, their defense actually is all banged up.

Raiders are not. If you go back and watch their two games, I talked to Chip Kelly about this recently. Go watch the two games, Raiders and the Chiefs. They matched up with them very well. Well, I tried to tell you the Chiefs were not great this year. Despite the record, the Chiefs were not great this year. I got a staff for you on Aaron Rogers. One of these guys dug it up.

Oh, let me hear this. Eighteen starts with the Jets. Let me hear this. What guys dug it up? His name is Rich Samini covers the Jets for one of these New York newspapers. Okay, okay. 18 starts for Rogers.

Six wins. However, one of them, he got a credited win when he got injured on the fourth play against Buffalo. So in two years with the Jets, he had five victories. That's it. For Aaron Rogers. Five wins.

Nat Hackett, Jeff Ulbric. Sala. Blame everybody else. How was this team chef? Was he delivering for Aaron Rogers? Remember I have a bad show? It's the producer's fault. We got to blame the darkest for church.

Like, what are we doing, coward? Come on. That's why I contend he's going to go and play again. Aaron does not want that to be... Listen, careers or movies. You want the last scene to be a pretty good one. You want to be hoisting something. Yeah, you want John L. Wade, the end of his career, right?

That's Derek Jeter. Kobe was 60. You want something redeemable. You know, at least not embarrassing. This is not the way Aaron should end his career. And, again, I'll say it. Last 10 starts last year. We love Jaden Daniels.

He had more touchdown passes last year than Jaden Daniels. So my last show here, whatever it is. You gotta be a good one. Power hour is going to be, we're going to be just pow- You've got to bring the hottest of hot tapes. Shotgunning beers left and right. Final story, Collins, to the NBA.

Hey man, listen, this Hawks' Knicks game last night was fascinating. Trey Young had 38 and 19 assists, but it wasn't enough. Jalen Brunson, the game winner with 11 seconds left in OT for a 149, 148 overtime win for the Knicks. Give me offense or give me death.

What a game, Colin. Carl Anthony Towns had 40. Four. Brunson had 36. And that, my friends, is basketball in the garden. They don't match up with the Celtics. They match out with everybody else. Carl Anthony Towns has always been such an interesting guy.

He is absolutely gifted offensively. He is a total handful. Little quirky, sometimes in big spots, he disappears. He's almost the opposite of Anthony Davis. Where you know Anthony Davis defensively, you know exactly what you get every night. Carl Anthony Towns offensively, you're getting something. Not quite sure you get it every night. Like Anthony Davis, like, you know he's great, but sometimes he'll disappear for a half.

Carl Anthony's same thing, but offensively, dude can bring it. He went 40 plus back-to-back games. Listen, man, people were down on the Knicks early. They had so many new players in their top eight. Now they're starting to hit their groove. I don't know that they're better than the Celtics, but I do think they're going to go to the conference finals in the East, the NICs. They should.

Yeah. I think I'm not afraid of the Cavs. No, I think, listen, I would take the NICs over the Cavs, although I think I respect the Cavs. No, calves are good. I'm just not afraid of them the way I am of the Celtics who are, you know, when they're a full strike. The Celtics go after Brunson and Carl Anthony tennis.

I mean, they got Drew Holiday and Derek White. Those are two elite defenders on the perimeter. And then Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. And then Porzingis' size. Yeah. Are you coming around on Jason Tatum yet? I watched the Celtics Spurs last night. And would you think of Tatum?

He's a very good player. Such a hater. So you don't like Lamar Jackson. I like him. But you love Jason Tatum. Well, Jason Tatum delivers in the playoffs and it matters most. I don't know that Lamar has. The Celtics deliver in the play.

Who led the midpoint three miles and assists last year in the playoffs? I'll give you a minute. Go ahead. Go to Google. I don't know. Okay. Ask ChatGBTGPT. It's Tatam.

You're on that thing every day, aren't you? Chat GBT. GBT? I subscribe to it. It's huge. Any project you need at your house? Chat GPT. I had like a sore throat this week.

Google it, come up with some stuff. Boom. Who needs to go to a doctor? AI is a fad. AI's a fad. Just like the Internet. Oh my gosh. This guy.

J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Good stuff today. We've got some stuff. That Burroughs story, he is calling out the organization again. Remember during the year, we had said, if you watched him at press conferences, he was ticked off.

So, I mean, think about this. I was looking this up this morning, this Joe Burrell story. Think about this. So they are the poorest franchise in the league. Philadelphia has a GM, Howie Roseman, and two assistant GMs. The Bengals don't even have a GM. They had the son of the owner is the VP of personnel. And then Dick Tooman is the director of personnel.

They don't have a real GM. So, I mean, Eagles have like one of the best, if not the best, and two assistant GMs. So again, Eagles have 21 scouts on their website. We look, Bengals have four. So Joe Burrow, to some degree, is trapped. Think about this. I'll say this. I think, I absolutely think, at some point, he'll demand to be traded.

I really believe that. The Bengals this year had the quarterback. It's very hard to miss the playoffs when you have a great quarterback. One team that happened this year, Cincinnati. It's virtually impossible. 40% of the league goes to the playoffs. If you have a great quarterback in a quarterback league, you're going to the playoffs. So the Bengals had the quarterback that led the NFL in touchdowns, passing touchdowns and passing yards.

They had the pass rusher that led the NFL in sacks. They had the receiver that led in catches, yards, and touchdowns. And they missed the playoffs. So this was Joe Burrell last week on Breakfast Ball in New Orleans on wanting to keep T. Higgins. Yeah, I do, I do. You know, we have the capsulays to get it done. And I know, you know, I want to make it happen. Everybody involved, T, Jemar, Mike G, we all want to stay together.

And so when you have guys that are motivated like that, I think, you know, you can get those things done. So they said, hey, we need you to restructure. It's something you would consider, not knowing what the numbers are. You'd be willing to please have that type of conversation to keep the core guys together. Of course. He's not being cranky. He's saying, guys, I'm watching Philadelphia's roster. I'm watching San Francisco Detroit roster.

Pay. Do you think the Bengals, when they trade him, will give him the Luca treatment? Hey, man, this guy just was too whiny last season. He's into fashion. Go to Milan. do your thing. We want to get out of the Joe Burrow business. That's what the Mavs did with Luca Donchich.

Luca wasn't in shape. Just took it to the finals, Colin. Like a few months ago. If they move off Burrough, that would be a story. What are the Bengals? I mean, Luca can leave the Mavericks. They have AD, Kyrie, Lively, PJ Washington, Gafford. No, Bengals got Jake Browning. He put together a good

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I think Matt Stafford changes the Giants immediately. Now, they're going to have to have. to pay him some money. You're going to step up and pay them money so they don't want to give away a lot of draft picks. We'll get to that top of next hour. But I think it's a real thing. I also think this Aaron Rogers to the Rams thing, Albert Breer, it's not crazy. And just thought, you know, the AFC is the conference of superstar quarterbacks. The NFC is the conference of opportunity. And so Stafford to the Giants absolutely makes them better. And makes not only better, makes them viable.

They're not Philadelphia good, but they got the components. We always talk about traits. Star receiver, left tackle, good D-line, they're fine. Here was, and my Aaron Rogers to L.A., there's no way Aaron Rogers wants to end his career with last year with the Jets. That's embarrassing. Not blaming Aaron, it was embarrassing.

Here's Albert Breer on that scenario. I do think that he's got something to offer somebody, and look like the idea of playing in that system for that coach I think would appeal to any quarterback for the same reason it appealed to Stafford back in 2021 it would appeal to Aaron Rogers the idea of going there you got a good young base of talent you can build off of it it's got some of the things the Jets had when he went there and he'd be home in Los Angeles the idea of like that musical quarterbacks thing that you're playing out there where maybe Stafford is out and Rogers is in it wouldn't solve the long-term issue for the Rams but, you know, it is a way to band-aid the problem in a different way.

I was told the Rams did not like Cooper Cup going public with information that was supposed to be private, that they were probably going to move him, and Cooper Cup, you know, raced over to his social media. Rams didn't like that at all. Well, what are you saying? Well, what do you expect him to do? He's ticked off.

So what? He's making $26 million a year, and he's a blocker. He's more than a blocker. Come on, man. You're being a little harsh here. Loyalty doesn't matter to you, huh? Not if I have a salary cap. Yeah, so ask, hey, can we renegotiate?

Can we do something to fix this situation that's bordering on untenable? Don't you want to keep him? I just don't understand it because it's not just Cooper Cup. It ticked off Stafford. I told you about it at the Super Bowl. His wife went on a podcast after that. No, I know. And kind of unloaded.

And don't think that that wasn't by design to let the Rams know. We're ticked off. Remember, was it last summer or two summers ago? It was before Puka, right after he was drafted, Stafford, his wife complained, Matt doesn't connect with anybody in the locker room. There's all these young people. There's some stuff going on there.

Let me ask you. Stafford was in Detroit forever. He gets McVeigh, Stan Cronkey, best stadium in the league, unbelievable treatment, stares the Pacific Ocean when he wakes up. How about being happy a little? Hey, he brought them a Super Bowl.

Don't forget that. Don't forget the no-look pass in the Super Bowl. Jared Goff got him to one. And they lost. they got smoke, they couldn't score against the Patriots. Go look at all the comeback stafford had in the playoffs that year. Remember the bomb against Tampa? Oh, that beautiful pass.

Who caught that? I think it was Cooper Cup. I'm not sure, but I think it was Cooper Cup. I just think you've got to reward people for awesome time served. You don't have to get in the Kobe Bryant contract where you just totally shaft the future. But like, Colin, I mean, geez, you're cold-blooded sometimes. I doubt I knew you. In any business that has a salary cap, I can't be.

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