The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NFL High-Low

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

He gives his annual "High-Low" comps for each of the top QB prospects in the NFL draft LSU head coach Brian Kelly joins the show to share what we can expect from Heisman Trophy winner Jayden Daniels in the NFLSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for making us part of your day. J-MAC last night was just so good. The Knicks game was fantastic. The Denver Laker finish was unbelievable. Bad night for NBA haters because I don't know what the radio. ratings are. They had to be good. Totally ultimately captivating. I don't care. Thought Philly and the Lakers, we're going to pull off wins. Nope. By the way, I don't care. We don't care if the ratings are bad. All we care about is good games, good drama, good storylines.

But home teams now, 11 and 0 straight up in the NBA playoffs. Colin, that ends tonight with a big thud. We gave out winners yesterday, right? Dallas winning tonight on the road. Lock it up. First half, two. Dallas over the clips. You and I both agree with that. Oh, yeah. All right. All right. We play this game every year. It's kind of funny because people make fun of my comps on this, but we're going to play

the high-low game. I'm going to take all the first-round quarterbacks, and basically, if it goes really well, this is how good it could go, or on the low end, this is sort of what it becomes. So let's play the high-low game. We'll start with Caleb Williams. Well, everybody's comparing him to Patrick Mahomes, so we're not going to outthink the room. He has a lot of Patrick Mahomes capabilities. He moves around.

he's got a strong arm, there's arm angles. He's just a very, very unique talent, Caleb Williams. So I would say the high is Patrick Mahomes and the lowest Kyler Murray. Maybe a little too much sandlot football, spectacular, but not as consistent as you thought he would be, the high-low game for Caleb Williams-Maholmes and Kyler Murray. Drake May. Well, the high-low game for me on Drake May is, first of all, Justin Herbert. So I think Drake May actually looks and plays a little like Justin Herbert.

Herbert was more accurate consistently. But he's 6.3 and a half. He's 2.20. He moves. The low end is Carson wins. He looks the part, but he's just not consistent enough with his accuracy. Everything looks like it should work. Nice arm.

Can move. Big, strong, can let it rip. He just doesn't deliver the ball squarely and accurately enough. High low for Drake May is Justin Herbert and Carson Wentz. Okay, Jaden Daniels, the high-low game. The high is easy for me, Lamar Jackson. Electric Runner, who is more than capable to make throws. In fact, I think he's a better thrower out of college than Lamar Jackson.

The low end is RG3, which is he just takes too many hits for his small frame. So the high-low, Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, and RG3. J.J. McCarthy, high-low game. High, I think it's Alex Smith. There's a lower ceiling. Coachable is going to be about as good in the NFL as his coaching and his surroundings. Smith was a bust until Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reed. The low end is Marcus Marietta.

Slender frame, not really able to carry average talent, can win games, may get you to the playoffs, but the high-end low-end for J.J. McCarthy. High-end Alex Smith depends on the coach. Low-end Marcus Marriota, certain clear limitations. High-end, low-end, bow-nicks. Now, I think the high-end, because of accuracy, college starts, and productivity is Drew Brees. Coachable, accurate, scheme-up. The low-end is Derek Carr.

He's okay. Doesn't win enough. Never feel like he's a top-10 guy. There's something there. a pro pretty accurate but not a great deep ball and you always feel like

yeah we should probably move on and get another quarterback bow nicks high low is drew breeze and derrick car and then michael pennacks a kid i like out of washington i think the high end is mark brunel

a really underrated all-time quarterback a lefty out of washington moved very very well smart guy moved well out of washington to a beautiful ball the low end is jamess winston again it looks looks the part. He's got the arm. He can move. It just doesn't work enough. He just doesn't

win enough. So the high low for Michael Penix, Mark Brunel, that's not a shot. Mark was a really good player. Got Jacksonville when they were starting out of the playoffs. He goes, Tom Coughlin was his coach. The low end is James Winston. Nobody doubts the first round talent, throws a beautiful ball, but doesn't quite square up with what you want as a franchise quarterback. All right. So that's my game. So any pushback on that, any pushback for you on high low game. I just thought the lows were all like good quarterbacks. Guys were multi-year starters. I was waiting for Zach Wilson as a low. Well, well, Caleb Williams, first of all, I think these quarterbacks, two things.

One, I think it's a good quarterback class. Two, we have a lot of really smart offensive coaches. So Caleb is the one that you have a defensive coach. Uh-oh. but the number two quarterback is going to go to Cliff Kingsbury and a lot of draft picks and cap space in a kind of a weaker, you know, weird, wonky division sometime. We think Dallas is going down and the Giants going down. So the Giants, Brian Daibald, could get a quarterback. And then the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell, could get a quarterback.

Sean Payton could get a quarterback. Mike McDaniel could get a quarterback. I think in this quarterback class, It's a better than average class. It's better than average class. Let's start with that. And I think there's a lot of highly clever, offensive young coaches where these guys could land. So that's my takeaway.

I mean, Bo Nix is Derek Carr. He's going to make a ton of money. Be like an eight-year starter in the league. Bo Nix would take that in a heartbeat, wouldn't he? That's not really a low. Again, I think you're just being really generous. Look at the low end. James Winston.

Like, I mean, he started for like six years in the league. Carr's still a starter. Marriota. Yeah. Like these guys, I need to see lows of like, honestly, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson. I'm looking like guys who are just total busts.

Remember, a lot of draft classes. That class, Zach Wilson, COVID quarterback class. Mac Jones started one year. Trey Lance, almost no starts. What's different in this quarterback class,

Caleb Williams, three years, two and a half year starting. Bo Nix, 61 starts. Michael Pennix, five years, six years. of starting. This class is unique and that almost all the, I think all these quarterbacks have multiple years of starting. I mean, Bo Nix, Panics, Caleb, J.J. McCarthy.

That class was the COVID class where like Zach Wilson played this, the weakest B-Y you schedule ever. I mean, that's their toughest game that year could have been coastal Carolina. How about like Rosen from UCLA or like a Jake Locker? Guys who basically within like six a month you were like done. Jake Locker, I never bought into. I said he was a better T-Boish, kind of, you know, in years later after it was, you know, after Jake Locker left, because Tebow, I think, was first. Jake Locker basically was Tim Tebow with a better ball placement, but that's all he kind of is. I never bought into that at all. Part of it was because I knew people that coached him, and they didn't buy him. Yeah, right.

But I think this is a really good class. I really do. Love the optimism. So I was saying this, Nick, right around the corner, I was saying this about Joe Lambie last night. So if for eight years, You are the guy for a quarterback, a star pitcher, a striker in soccer, or a goalie in hockey, or you're the star player. And the team keeps changing GMs and coaches and complementary players, and you can't win a second playoff series in the significantly, inarguably weaker east,

then it's on you. And that's scrum at the end of the game. The idea that would MB to Superstar Center in the lane and the fact that the Knicks got two three-pointers, good looks, three-pointers hit one, where's M-B? M-B in the first two games in the series. No rebounds in the fourth quarter. It's not like the Knicks have Shaq, or the Knicks have Yokic or Wembe or some insane talents. It's Mitchell Robinson. It's the kid that was on the floor last night.

Hartnstein. And Embed can't get a rebound in the fourth quarter. So Charles Barkley, after the game was critical of Joelle M.B. What I'd like to see from Joel, he got to get his head up. Because he's the leader of the team. He's the best player. He's one of the best players in the world. If your best player got his head down like that, he can say it's unacceptable, it's unacceptable.

We just got to come out and win game three. We've got to take it one game at a time. As a leader of the team, he cannot have his head down. He's got to say, guys, we're fine. They did what they're supposed to do. We got to go home and win game three and four. Yeah, after the game, this is what Barclay is talking about with Joe L.M.B. Everybody on the floor was trying to call a time mile, myself including Nico, coach on the sideline.

But that they give it to us. But, you know, forget about the time mile. There's a bunch of files. You know, that's, yeah, like I said, that's a, you know, unacceptable. to say eight years all these moving parts one constant can't win a second round series in the east by the way did you see on that hartinstein rebound who joel and b was boxing out six foot five josh hart not the six eleven center who just came crashing in and grabbed it one last word uh i heard berkeley say joel mb's the leader i know kyle lowre's only been there a year he's a veteran he's been in way more playoff series he's won a title i would challenge that kyle lowry is probably the veteran he's only been there a year he's a veteran he's been in way more playoff series he's won a title i would challenge that kyle lowry is probably the veteran in that locker room who's going to speak up and have the respect of everyone. I don't know that OMB is that.

Like we talk about with this Durant, you know, like is Durant pounding the table in the huddle? I don't think he is. I think Kyle Lowry might be more that guy. The leader doesn't have to be the best player. Right. I mean, Draymond Green is often the leader for the Warriors. Chris Paul was a leader for the sons. Booker's the better player at this point in their careers. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of Tontons and Wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bo Your Mind on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. J-Mack was asking a question during the break. He said, who's better all-time Yokic or Tim Duncan? And it really highlights how the game has changed.

Duncan wasn't asked to pass or shoot in his day. He was the big fundamentally. He was a great defensive player, great score, great rebound. Yokich now, in the modern game, is an elite passer, an elite shooter. Not as good defensively. They can both rebound. So it really shows you Duncan and Yokic highlight the change of the game. The game is now more skilled.

Your bigs can shoot and pass. You know, Subonis could when I covered him, but by and large, you didn't look to Shaq for shooting and passing. It was power. It was dominance. It was rebounding. So Duncan, for his time, was a Yokic. He was great at what we asked centers to do. We asked centers to defend and rebound and score.

Now we ask centers to be capable. shooters and also move the ball. Don't be a hole. Get rid of it. You know, Patrick Ewing, you dumped the ball to him. It was over. You'd never see it back. Yokic is different. So it really is. We ask our players now to be Yokic.

If you're just Duncan and can't shoot and you can't defend the wing, I'm not saying that Duncan wouldn't figure out ways to be important today. But I've said this about Jordan. He would be great today. But he was not a great passer or a great long-range shooter. Kobe, you could argue, actually fits,

Kobe was a clever passer when he decided to pass. He also had great range. So it's not that Jordan wouldn't be amazing and relentless and win. But there are players that are ahead of their time. Larry Bird in his prime, if Larry Bird broke into the league today, he would be Luca, but a better passer. That's what he would look like. He'd be a more clever passing, Luca.

Limitations defensively, unbelievable shooter, always gets his shot, runs the break. That's what he would be. Charles Barkley was ahead of his time. He could score low transition perimeter. Barkley would be unbelievable today. Bird would be. LeBron would be in any era. But there are players, what would you do with Kareem? What would you do? Like, the sky hook is great. It's two. So you would, he probably, you know, he'd be a great dominant score, but there would be times the pace of the play. As he aged, the pace was slower with him.

Now again, magic brought the most out of him. He could be. dominant. Not saying Michael or Kareem wouldn't be dominant. 9, 10, 12-time All-Star. I'm not saying that, but the game, like Barclay and Bird, age really well. Duncan wouldn't quite age as well. He wouldn't.

Now, you say, well, would Yokic of age back then? Yeah, because he's a, you know, he's big, he's strong, and he doesn't miss around the basket. So Yokic would have aged better than Duncan. He would have moved into a different era and been more successful. I mean, Duncan's nickname was the big fundamental. He did everything, perfect.

a big was asked to do. Right. Well, Yokic does everything Tim Duncan did, but better. And that's not a knock. Duncan obviously doesn't defend like Tim. He does not defend like Tim, but passer, Duncan never averaged like 25 points a game once in his career. Yokic over 25 all the time.

Duncan, not the passer, never averaged four assists a game. Yokic is putting up triple doubles every night. Yeah, no, he's, the game is totally different. The skill level is completely different. I bring this up because watching Yokish last night, he didn't have a great game, right? and then you look up he's got 2720 and 10 assists what the hell how and you start looking and

I have Duncan as like a top 10 guy all time and Yokic is on the track Colin to be a top 10 player in the history of basketball. Well if he wins another championship this year and he's got worthy adversaries he's going to probably beat Boston. By the way Duncan played with David Robinson Hall of Famer Genobley Tony Parker and Yokic has played with how many all-stars Jamal Murray's ever been an all-star ever

It's like, oh my gosh. Like what he's doing with this group? And I know they're the best starting five in the league. But it's not like they're all-stars. Just consider that stuff, folks. It's a wild. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's go back to the NFL. The draft is Thursday. Caleb Williams is going first. We know that. But here we go. Anonymous NFL coach guy believes it's a no-brainer that Jaden Daniels

would be drafted. Right there, adding Jaden looks like the best guy in the draft. Are you kidding me? Daniel's over Williams? Come on, Colin, this is where it's silly season, Ryan. Come on. Is this anonymous NFL coach or unemployed coach? That's a good one.

All right. Yeah, I think. There's zero evidence. Just on frame, you would, because he's bulker and stronger, bulkier and stronger, I would take Caleb over Jay. Jaden, Daniel's concern is he takes a lot of hits. And he's real fed. That's a concern.

We saw Bryce Young. We were like, oh, well, he looks small. Like, it matters. Is this the same guy who told Tom Pellasaro that Zach Wilson had better tape than Patrick Mahomes coming up? No, Trevor Lohn. It's like, come on. I don't know.

Let you come with the kind of draft get here already. Next up is the Falcons got Kirk Cousins this off season. But they may get penalized for tampering in the process. Cousins seem to implicate himself when doing his introductory presser saying the team had first-person contact with him before the start of the league. year reports indicate that discipline is soon to come and likely to be harsh given cousins on

the record statement. Now, now, it's so stupid. It is kind of dumb, but the Dolphins lost a 2003 first rounder and a 2024 third for tampering with Brady and Peyton. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Let me ask you this. Oh, go ahead. The league's review on tampering

will not conclude this week, so it likely will not be impact this draft for the Falcons. I think it's dumb. So let me ask you this. I'm Kirk cousins. And in my rehab, you know, I've got my private jet and I'm banging around and I go see a buddy and I go see and all of a sudden I see a falcons, you know, because rich people hang with rich people. And all of a sudden I see a falcons team president and maybe Arthur Blanks at something. I can't talk to them. I mean, like some of this stuff is just dumb. Players talk. I mean, how do you think affairs start? They start as verbal affairs. You start talking.

You know, I mean, like the idea that players now in this world we live in with all these platforms and It's so silly to me. By the way, Kirk Cousins ultimately, why did he choose Atlantic? Because of tampering? No, because they had a tight end, two running backs, the best offensive line of all the teams available, Drake, London, and all they needs an edge rusher. He did a Tom Brady.

He looked at it and he went, they're going to pay me. It's a great old line. I'm coming off an Achilles surgery. And like Tampa, they need one big draft pick. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers needed a right tackle, Tristan Worst. These guys needed edge rusher, Dallas Turner, or whoever, So the idea that this had influence, because I bump into something,

I could bump into somebody at a million networks tomorrow. Isn't that any influence? It's funny. And you couldn't stop me if I wanted to. When I worked at this newspaper, I was covering some of these high school recruits who were big time in the area. And there's this thing called the bump where coaches know your habits, whether you go to an arcade or Starbucks, whatever. And it just so happens that these star athletes would just bump into coaches out and about in public.

Fancy how that happens, right? Kirk Cousins just bumping into Arthur Blank somewhere? You do. Likely story. You do get them that Kirk Cousins, if Kirk Cousins is going on vacation. So he lives in Minnesota. He's rehabbing. His wife, you know, he's like, hey, let's take the kids.

Let's go to the Bahamas. You do get Kirk Cousins would stay in a penthouse in the nicest hotel in the Bahamas. So would Arthur Blank. And you'd probably be upstairs in the VIP room upstairs at the Grand Bahama or the Rich Carlton. you do get, and anybody listening that is one of those rich people, and maybe nobody's listening, when you travel around the country, what you find is, if you're in that upper upper 1% class,

you see the same people in Aspen, in the Hamptons. You think Howard Stern doesn't bump into the same 25 people? These NFL owners, eight owners own a house a mile from here in Beverly Hills. Eight NFL owners live around the corner from where we're at. They don't live in Lubbock. And so the idea that Kirk Cousins could bump into somebody with an NFL, team on vacation. I just, I think it's stupid to think

that makes the same. Tom Brady could bump into whoever he wants. He wanted to go to a place with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Bruce Ariens, and a lousy division. That's what Kurt Cousin saw. Makes me wonder, remember the McVeigh-Stafford story. They bumped into each other in Cabo and then hung out. Okay, that's a great idea.

It just happened to be at this five-star resort in Cabo. So it's funny. I just, you know, once every few years, a buddy of mine invites me to Cabo, and he's got a nice place. He's a Ritzy guy, Hollywood guy, only one I know. Who was in? Who was there? Tony Gonzalez.

The president of the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm sitting there having a beer with my wife, and the president of the Kansas City Chief sits down, introduces himself. And then there's Tony Gonzalez next to us. So the point is, if I would have been Kirk Cousins and taken my family to Cabo, I would have run into the Kansas City Chief President

and Tony Gonzalez. And by the way, there was also another famous person there. Don't want to call him. He was there. I didn't see him. But it was a nice resort. And there's five or six resorts and there's, you know, so I just think it's nonsense. Kurt Cousins.

Kurt Cousins chose it, not because he bumped into somebody. By the way, why did we, why was the rumor out there, Kirk Cousins was going to Atlanta? Because it made the most sense. Right? That's fair. Weakest division. Best online. He's an old guy with an

Kelly surgery. now. Final story is the Lakers. Colin, that's blown lead last night or 20 points. Ten straight losses to Denver. However, there is a report that no matter what happens in this

series, Darvinham will be retained by the Lakers next season. Now, some of it is just reading T-leaves. Skepticism, the Jeannie Bus would want to pay him $8 million to not coach next season. Colin, I would be shocked if the Lakers got

swept up. in the first round. He's keeping his job. After getting swept last year and this year? By the best team in the world, yeah. That would shock me and Laker fans would probably stage a coup. Now they're going to the games.

Of course they are. The games are a scene. Yeah, so they're going to go to the games. So Jeannie Bus has the fans over the barrel. You didn't fire the coach. You want more popcorn? Want her beer? You know who I want to know?

I want to know what LeBron thinks about. I don't think. I don't think Darvinham's rotations all the time. But there are limitations here. Sometimes they'll have LeBron and Austin Reeves off the floor at the same time. I would never do that. Those are your two shot. Those are your two playmakers.

But he's going to be back. I don't think he's the problem. Who is the problem? The last 10 times they've played Denver, eight times, D-Lo. Denver's the problem. And Denver. Jay Mack of the News. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. So yesterday, as I am prone, to do working the phones diligently, Big J. Journalism. And I was talking to a source in the Dallas Metroplex. And we were talking about the Cowboys. He said, it's a bit of a circus here. And he goes, you know, they're, they don't, they don't want to pay DAC right now.

And Dak's saying all the right stuff and it's not about this. But here, I saw a headline this morning. This cracks me up. What are the Cowboys best options at quarterback if Dak Prescott leaves? get another one. Two teams that should draft a quarterback in the first round or second round this year that nobody's talking about, the Jets and the Cowboys, they both should. Deck,

Dak has a dead cap hit next year. Let's say he plays this year. Even the following year, he has a $40 million dead cap hit. So you've got to draft a quarterback now who's cheap, second, third round. Next year's quarterback class, not great. Shadour Sanders. And Cam Ward at Miami's on his side. third team, but he is pretty talented.

But let's just take the names out. Take the names Dallas Cowboys out, Jerry Jones out, and Dak Prescott. Because everybody gets emotional with the names. And if I just said this, $58 million dollar quarterback,

eight years, two playoffs wins, one against the sub-500 team with a 91 passer rating in the playoffs. Does that sound impossible to replace? Sounds challenging. Mahomes and Brady, that's impossible.

Mahomes will be impossible. Replacing Kirk, Cousins, or Dak, it's challenging. That's the league. It's practice is challenging. So if you take out one playoff win over Tampa, they were under 500, if you just take that game out in eight years, DAC is one in the playoffs, 10 TD 7 picks. We're not talking goat stuff here.

Right? what's what's dallas going to do draft a quarterback in the second round this year put some heat on him well there'll be a dead cap hit all right you want to kick it down the road more you've been kicking that can down the road with DAC for years you want to keep doing that so i mean green bay's hit on three straight quarterbacks you can't hit on another one it's again this idea i was talking to my source yesterday and he's saying this everybody's freaking out in dallas what are you going to do what are you going to do we're not talking josh allen we're not talking joe montana We're not talking Fav.

That was a concern for Green Bay. Farve. Thank God they got Rogers. Rogers, they got Jordan Love. Dak is a fourth round pick, never been a beautiful thrower. Take out one playoff game in his career over the worst team they ever played Tampa, sub-500. He's one and six. 10 TV, seven picks, 91 pass already. He's a playoff quarterback.

Okay, draft another quarterback. Jets and the Cowboys should draft a quarterback. Nothing against Aaron Rogers. But I would probably in the third round after you get an offensive lineman, maybe in the first round in a wide receiver. I would consider if I was the Jets moving down, getting an extra pick, and drafting a quarterback in the third round. I think Dallas in the second round.

By the way, if you go look at Green Bay where they drafted quarterbacks, Aaron Rogers, Jordan Love, end of the first round. Where's Dallas's pick? End of the first round. It's a perfect time to get Pennix or Bow Nicks. Just a thought. Brian Kelly, LSU football coach next.

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A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became. became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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year at that level. He's led his teams wherever Notre Dame LSU to 10 plus wins in seven straight seasons. I think he's one of the smartest guys in the sport. Brian Kelly, third year with LSU, is joining us before he heads out to a golf course. His offseason is about three weeks, so he's got the clubs ready right after this interview. Brian, let's start with this. I like Jaden Daniels a lot. If I had the number two pick, I would take him.

I worry a little bit about his frame a little bit, but the SEC's got NFL bodies. Is that a fair concern that he is tall and a little thin? Yeah, but I don't think you lose any sleep. I think if he was a poor decision maker, if he was sloppy with the football, if he couldn't walk into an NFL locker room and lead the guys, then those are things that lead you. Not getting any sleep. He can put on weight.

Those are small concerns. He is a flat-out playmaker. He will change the look of your franchise. And I think that that's why I believe he's the best quarterback in the draft. Now, LSU doesn't lose a lot of games. What is his temperament if you go to Washington and you get, you know, the media's big and they're loud and it's cold and they're beating up on him and he's seven and ten. And what's his makeup, his personality?

well in his first year where where he struggled at times he was the same guy each and every week he went to work uh he continued to lead he worked on his craft uh so you know this is a guy that you know he can handle the ups and downs of it you know he got he got knocked out of the game against alabama concussed in the game uh and found his way back the next week against florida uh and and set an nCA record so this is a guy that uh gets knocked down and gets back up the next week. So Malik Neighbors has a little OBJ. LSU is a wide receiver and defensive back factory.

He's a yards after the catch guy. Again, let's ask the durability questions. Can he play day one in the NFL? What do you make of Malik Neighbors, who people now are saying is a top five pick? Well, again, I had them for two years. And in terms of a durability, every day of practice, and I'm talking every day of practice in one-on-ones, going up for balls,

competing in the red zone, you know, playing in a bowl game when he didn't need to play in a bowl game. He does not care. He wants to compete every single day. So he's going to answer the belt. He's going to play every game. He's going to compete. It's just in his DNA. It's in his nature.

So, you know, look, there are many great wide receivers in this draft. The first three or four are as good as there have been in a long time. time. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to wide receiver, but he can do it all. Yards after the catch, elite speed, and certainly can go up and get the football. So, again, I think he's going to change the way an NFL team looks, and again, do it right away. You did at Notre Dame. Notre Dame, you won early, but you weren't SEC deep early. By the end of your stay, you went toe to toe with Georgia twice, and you looked the part. No fools' goal.

This was, you had, you had backups that would play in the NFL. Part of the secret to beating an SEC team is O-line play. Michigan had it this year, where you can just protect your quarterback. You did a remarkable job at Notre Dame. It became kind of a factory for offensive linemen. Joe Alt is somebody you recruited. I think he's the best tackle. That's what my people say.

I don't know if he's Trent Williams, but did you know initially high schooled? Is this what you perceived first tackle off? the board NFL draft top 10? Well, I think the only thing that was the question mark was, would he be able to put on the weight necessary to be that anchor? And we felt very confident

with our strength and conditioning team and his demeanor and the way he handled things and, of course, pedigree, that he was going to be able to do it. Look, you know, being a left tackle takes more than just length and athletic ability. There are a lot of guys that have that.

His demeanor is outstanding. You know, he has a ability to forget and move on to the next play. The left tackle is going to get the best of the best. I just think, you know, the things that we don't talk about enough with the best offensive lineman is the right makeup, the demeanor of a Joe Alt is that he's a pro. He's going to go to work every day, and he's going to know, you may get me once, but I'm going to learn from that, and I'm going to shut you out when it's most important. And he's a very, very smart football player.

The great coaches in college, I think Nick Saban proved this. He lost a lot of good coordinators. He reinvented his program. They went from corners to receivers and quarterbacks. He reinvented it. He didn't get stubborn. Mike Shoshchevsky didn't like the one and done initially. And then he joked, I kept getting beat my one and done guys.

So he went one and done. You, if you start looking at what you're going to have to face now, the transfer portal, NIL. can grumble about it, but Brian, it's here. It's the reality of it. Give me something you like about the transfer portal at NIH. Everybody grumbles about it. You've used it. Deon's used it. Lincoln's used it. Nick used it. Give me something you like about it. Well, you can manage your roster during this period of time. This second portal where you can't transfer within the SEC, you can manage your roster, guys that are struggling at this level to play.

in the SEC, they now can look for an escape route. They can look for a place where they can go and compete somewhere else. And it allows you to bring somebody in that might be at a lower level that can help your roster right away. So the ability to manage your roster in this second portal is a positive thing from that perspective where it allows kids to get out and find a place and land at a school where they can, in fact, compete. And you can upgrade your roster. So I think that's a positive from that perspective. When you left for LSU, I said, I totally get it. It's easier to recruit southern schools warm weather than northern schools. I completely get it. Notre Dame's got academics. It's

tougher than average. It's cold weather. It's a small town. I got it. You got some pushback, but I think in the end, there's just most people understood it. The downside is 10 wins is not good enough at LSU. You know, I mean, it's like SEC. is they show up on Wednesday and their Winnebago for the game. Take me through the move from Notre Dame to LSU. Describe passion for somebody that's never been in the heart of the South. Well, certainly there was an understanding that we had to retool in a number of ways. The roster was not where it needed to be.

And so there is a little bit of grace, but you still have to compete. We won the SEC West in our first year. and certainly in our second year provided our fan base with the number one offense in the country. So again, you can't just come down here and say, hey, we're going to rebuild. You have to still provide a nationally qualifying football team, which we did. But now the time is such that we've had two years. We're building depth within our football team. This has got to be a team that now competes for a playoff spot and puts itself in a playoff situation.

as we continue to build the depth of this roster so we can be in the consistent conversation like a Georgia and an Alabama and the teams that have been there each and every year. Finally, he's getting overlooked because there's so many good receivers, and Malik Neighbors and Harrison and Romo Dunzee are taking all the press. You have a young man named Brian Thomas, and again, LSU does receivers like nobody else. What is he? What's he like? If I'd never seen him play and I'm an NFL, NFL GM, and I haven't popped a tape in. What would you tell me to expect?

Well, first of all, his ability is not just about running nine routes and going down the field and catching the ball. His ability to break tackles, his ability to make the difficult catches when he's up in the air. I mean, I'm talking about acrobatic catches, a guy that can make the play after the catch. He's got yards after the catch. Again, a unique. A unique. unique talent that, again, when you look at it, wins the one-on-one matchups. Look, we had two guys that if you doubled anybody, the other guy got one-on-one matchups, and he beat the best. So he's just going to add to an NFL roster, and if you give him one-on-one coverage,

he's got elite speed, he's got size, and the ability to make plays after the catch. All right, I know you're going to go golf. Stay away from Sabin. All he does is golf now. Do not stay away for Nick. It's all good for him. He's happy in retirement. Thanks, Brian.

No doubt. Take care, guys. Good have me on. All right. Brian Kelly, LSU football coach. Nick Saban's retiring the way you should. Grab the clubs. He always says, I do the chores in the morning.

Wife tells me what to do, do the chores. Then I'm out to the golf course. My daughter told me yesterday. She knows, Dad, you know what I want someday? A golf cart. I want to live somewhere where I can have a golf cart. That's where you live. You live in one of those fancy places, don't you?

you. I think I never thought about a golf cart. Do you want one? Why are you looking at me like that? I don't. I mean, I don't. I mean, my daughter out of the blue. It's not like there's a ton of parking spots for them though. They're not that much of a help. It's just, man, they're kind of cool. The idea. Yeah. You put a little speaker on one and maybe dress it up with some Christmas lights. You got like a nighttime vibe going on, right? My daughter out of the blue said that, Dad, I want a golf cart. And I, I want a golf car. And I I'm like, are you going to retire? Are you moving to Del Boca Vista?

What do you mean? You're like 23 years old. She goes, wouldn't be great to live somewhere? You could go around the community in a golf cart. And I said, I'm 60. That's what I'm looking for. She's 23? She was a golf cart?

You know, she's ahead of her time. She's getting ready for retirement. Has to work a little more. What a time. Springtime's the perfect time to give a fresh look to your security. Simplysafecullen.com. there's no safe, like simply safe. So earlier this hour, I want to put it back up.

I did my high, low, comp game with the quarterbacks in the first round. The high, low comp game. And basically, Jason's pushback was they're all good. And I said, well, I think this, first of all, these quarterbacks are unique. Almost all of them have like 30, 40, 50 starts. Bonix has 61. That's insane. That's the most starts ever for a college quarterback, I do believe.

It's certainly in the ballpark of it. So I think you have a lot of starts, a lot of film that reduces the miss rate. It also gives you this generation of quarterbacks also, over the last four to five years, this generation of quarterbacks has far more throws in high school, in summer, in off-season work. So my high low for Caleb Williams, high is Mahomes, low is high. low is Kyler Murray, where he's a little off script too much. High low, Drake, May is Justin Herbert and Carson Wentz. He looks like Herbert, but Carson Wentz always struggled with consistent accuracy.

Jaden Daniels, Lamar and Robert Griffin, I do worry about Jaden's frame and the NFL games faster, taking hits and getting beat up. J.J. McCarthy is Alex Smith, which I think is a lower ceiling than you'd expect for a first-round quarterback, but mostly dependent on the coach he gets to win. And then Marcus Marriota, again, stayed around for a while, won some games. I think he made the playoffs. But I don't see McCarthy as quite the talent of the others. Bo Nix, Drew Breeze, I do think if he goes to Denver or a Mike McDaniel, he could be

highly productive. I mean, Tua puts up huge numbers with the right coach. The other side is Derek Carr, and when I saw him play live, I thought, you know, Carr throws a better deep ball, but Bo didn't have a big arm. He doesn't throw the ball down the field great. A lot of it was schemed up in college. Can he go off script? What you have to do to win big in the NFL?

And then Michael Pennix Jr. is Mark Brunel and James Winston. And the James Winston comp is he looked the part. It just didn't win enough. And, J.Mack, if you had to pick a part one, what would it be? I started to put together a list during the break. What if I said J.J. McCarthy's low end? And I like J.J. McCarthy. You need to preface that. What if his low end was Josh Rosen?

What would you say? Josh Rosen, by the way, a lot of starts at UCLA. Well, he's more, he is more mobile than Josh Rosen and won a lot more game. So he's a bigger winner and he moves better. Okay, what if I told you that Jaden Daniels's low end, and I like Jaden Daniels, need to preface it? I'm not a hater. What if I told you his low end was Vince Young? What would you say?

I mean, Vince Young again, I don't think he's that big and strong, but I don't think he's that big and strong, but I think he's a, first of all, I think he's a much better thrower than Vince Young. He's not as big and strong. Vince Young won a lot of games. I was never a fan, but won a lot of games. In college. Yeah, I mean, in the NFL, he was okay. I mean, Jaden throws a better, Jaden is much better from the pocket than Vince Young,

and I'm not sure anybody's been outside of Lamar. Vince Young was an un, Vince Young's the best high school football player in America ever. Quarterback. And then for Bo Nicks, just to be high, so I can be positive. What instead of Breeze, who's a lock Hall of Famer? What if I said Matt Ryan? who's not a lock Hall of Fame or did win an MVP award. Maybe that's better.

I think, like, Drew Brady. But again, but Bo Nix is more athletic than Matt Ryan. He moves better. Yes. And so, yeah, I mean, early Drew Breez moved pretty well. He didn't run a lot, but he could. Yeah, I don't think these are... But like Drew Breed slam dunk Hall of Fame.

I think even Bo, Bo Nix would have to be unbelievable to make. That's fair. That's fair. Matt Ryan and Derek Carr. Matt Ryan won an MVP. He did. And he went to a Super Bowl. Should have won one, but... You should have piped out.

up in the morning meeting. I would have given you that one? Why would I give it away in the morning meeting when I can do it here and it's a better back and forth? Good call. A lot of smart takes today. Hour three coming up. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far far away, such as the biology of time, tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two.

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