The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL MVP, Raiders-Chargers

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

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Very nice of you. Are you anything special for your birthday? I don't think so. You know, I'm one of those people that is not overly sentimental. But if nobody would have said happy birthday, I would have had my feelings hurt. So I pretend that I don't want anything, but I did remind everybody in the building, is my birthday. How you're doing it?

I'm such a, you know what I mean? I just, I just need love. I need to be loved. No, that's perfectly reasonable. Actually, I don't get when people don't make a big deal about their birthday. Now, you love birthdays. I love birthdays. I love my birthday.

It's my birthday month. Well, you have the same birthday as my beautiful wife, Ann. Yeah, so you have never, you have never an excuse to not celebrate my birthday. birthday. That is true. And your birthday is right around the corner. It is in a couple weeks. I know, I just, I think birthdays are special. Excuse me. They're special. Like holidays, you know, it's, we're going to have Christmas and it's nice to celebrate Thanksgiving and Fourth of July and stuff. But like, it's a birthday. It's another year on earth. Yeah. You know, you've been through a lot. You've grown. It's like a special thing to celebrate. That's a good point. So I'm, celebrate me today, America.

Greg CoSell in a couple of minutes. So I thought that was interesting. Mary Kay Cabot is very good quarter in Cleveland. Cleveland's got some crazy people on the air and writing and, you know, they all hate me. Mary Kay, I've, you know, interviewed her multiple times, super smart, she's been doing it forever. She said the Baker-Mayfield, Kevin Stefansky relationship is no good. Sort of like the Hugh Jackson Baker relationship was no good. Sort of like the N. Freddie Kitchen's relationship with Baker was no good. You're seeing a trend here. Baker's abrasive and not terribly flexible. Kevin Stefansky does not need to get along with Baker. He's got three years left on his contract.

Baker, and this is not really his personality, has to get along with Stefansky. It's very interesting. Confidence is really important, but it can move into delusion very quickly. And I think if you look at all the injuries and all the stats and all the issues, Baker has a bit of a delusion issue. Even his injury, his primary injury, he thought he was more athletic than he was, and he tried to square up a safety after a pick. His judgment, he thinks he has a stronger arm than he does. He's apparently mad at Stefansky because he won't roll him out more. Really?

Dude, you're a marginal at best athlete and small. So I think what sometimes is your gift is your curse. I think the confidence was so great for him in high school and college, but it's moved into an area where, of course, the Browns run it more. They have Nick Chubb is a top two or three running back in the league. There's an argument to me made. He's the best running back in the league. He's a phenomenal running back.

Big, strong, fast, and they have the best guard center guard troika or trio in the league. And when their tackles are healthy, they weren't at the end of the year. They're the best offensive line in the league or certainly in a small class. So it's a power run game. He couldn't make OBJ work. Oh gosh, seamlessly he works in L.A. Worked in New York. Worked in L.A.

Jarvis Landry had his worst year. They actually have really good tight ends. Those don't work either. And he doesn't get along with another coach. So at some point, the confidence has become sort of abrasive and toxic. I'm always suspicious. I mean, there are people that don't like me in this industry. But if you go back to both places I've worked at, I try to get along with people.

So does joy. So does everybody I know. If somebody is constantly got enemies and is abrasive and difficult, it's them not the other people. So I think that's kind of where we are. Nick Wright talked about this yesterday about Baker and his future. Baker bet on himself and it blew up in his face. If Baker would have taken the last contract offer the Browns made this offseason, I think he would have had the surgery he clearly and desperately needed.

then maybe he's back by week nine healthy. Maybe the Browns didn't have another winner or two and they're alive for the postseason this week. But he bet on himself and now it absolutely is in play. Forget what's the next contract going to look like. It's in play that the next contract he's fighting for a job. Yeah, I don't think there's any question. So again, confidence is a great thing.

But when you have to kind of remind us how tough you are all the time, it's probably a good example. that tough, right? Like when people have to remind you they're rich or remind you this or they'll remind you, I'm always a little bit, you know, I mean, it's okay. I know Tom Brady makes money. I can see the mansion is he does a, you know, he does a Zoom call. I know Tom Brady. I've seen him on his private jet before. Like, we know he's rich, but if you're reminding me every 15 minutes, it's different. All right, Greg Kossel, 42 years, NFL films. Let's talk about the better Ohio quarterback. Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow.

You know, it's really funny. I looked at all the numbers this morning, and there's an argument to be made if you consider what he's surrounded by, the organizational limitations historically, his offensive line. He's the MVP of the league, not Aaron, who's got, you know, he's got a star back for years and a star receiver and a star coach. And, you know, so that does matter what you're working with. I watched him this weekend. The thing I love about Burrow, Greg, he loves to sling it, man. He loves going downfield.

And what does the film say on him? Well, it's good to be with you on this national holiday, Colin, by the way. I understand that it's your birthday today. Yes, it is. Thank you very much. You know, it's funny you mentioned Burrow. By the way, I would disagree with you about what Burrow works with versus what Rogers works with, but we'll get to borrow here.

I think there's a couple of things that really stand out. about borough. Number one, he is so good at navigating and managing the pocket. He is not playing behind a very good offensive line. And in fact, that's an area in which they need to improve as they continue to go forward regardless of how the rest of this season plays out. So he's under duress a decent amount. And by under duress, I mean there's bodies around him. So he is very, very good at managing and moving within the pocket. And you hit on a really important point. And you hit on a really important point. He is an aggressive, cocky thrower of the football. One thing that really stands out when you watch this team, and I made this point to someone else going back seven, eight weeks,

that when he sees one-on-ones outside the numbers, Colin, he turns it loose. He is not afraid to make throws down the field. Yeah. And you see that right here on this particular touchdown to Chase. But this is something he has done all season. He gives T. Higgins a chance. He gives Chase a chance. he turns it loose outside the numbers when it's one-on-one, even when there's bailed corners, meaning corners aren't off coverage, when you normally are taught by coaches not to throw those vertical throws because the corner is already eight or nine or ten yards off the receiver. That does not matter to Joe Burrow. He will still throw those balls. So I said this yesterday. The only quarterback I can compare to Aaron Rogers is Dan Marino

in terms of, man, it looks like it's a seven-on-seven scrimmage, the ease in which he throws, the confidence. Marino had that ability where it was just, and I know, you know, between the two you got one Super Bowl, but there are certain athletes that they make it look easy, and they make a really hard game look easy. When you see Aaron, obviously, every year with Lefleur, it feels like he's just a little slicker and it's like any of us. You work with somebody longer and longer and longer.

It gets easier and easier and easier, and it's more rote. You don't have to think as much. You just go to certain things. What are you seeing with Aaron? Well, I got to tell you, I've been doing this a long time, okay? And, hey, I've been wrong a lot of times, just like a lot of people, Colin. But 42 years at NFL films, I've seen a lot of football, I've seen a lot of coaching tape. I really would be hard pressed to say that I've seen a better thrower of the football than Aaron Rogers.

Just the ease with which he throws it. Marino was a different kind of thrower. Rogers has that compact delivery that makes it look like there's no effort involved in all at throwing the ball. And he can make, and this is a cliche, but a true one in his case, he can make every kind of throw. He understands pace, he understands touch when that's demanded. He understands when he needs to turn it loose and throw with velocity. He can throw the deep ball with the proper trajectory. And not every deep ball has the same trajectory.

It depends on a number of different factors and variables. variables. So I just think that as I've thought about this, because people have asked me, I'm not an MVP voter, and I don't think like that in terms of who should be MVP, but people have sort of asked me that question. So I've been given a lot of thought to just Aaron Rogers, as I've watched him over the years. I don't know if I've ever seen a better throw of the football than Aaron Rogers, Colin. Well, when I think of the Titans, that's not what I think of. I think of a team that it's remarkable they ended up here. They had major injuries, 35 guys on the IR. They lost the soul of their team. Tanna Hills fine, not special. And here they are, you know, around the number one seed. But, but, we know this lead. Yeah.

We know the play. I just have this but dot, dot, dot. What's the film? What's the film saying? Well, that raises really a philosophical question more than a film question because the film is very clear as to what this team is. This team, even without Derek Henry, is a run-first team. They'll obviously get better running the ball when he comes back, which he will be back for the playoffs.

But the identity and profile of the team won't change. A running football team on offense and a really good defensive team with a really good front four that can generate pressure on quarterbacks in critical situations without having to pressure, without having to blitz. So therefore, they can keep seven in coverage and remain. and keep that numerical advantage on the back end. So here's the question. Is that profile a Super Bowl profile?

Most people, I think, and my guess is you would agree, would say no, that you're going to need more from your passing game in order to really be a true Super Bowl contender. And there's different ways you can get more from your past game. You can do it proactively. In other words, first and 10, second and four, normal down-and-distance situations where you can dictate to the defense. You also have to be good on third down.

Now, other than the San Francisco game two weeks ago, when Taney Hill was phenomenal on third down, this has not been a very good third down passing team. So can this profile take them deep into the playoffs? Keep in mind last year they lost in the playoffs when they only scored, I believe, 13 points against Baltimore. So we will see. But clearly, there's a physical, competitive, toughness identity to this team on both sides of the ball. Okay, Rams Niners, big game this weekend. Very interested on your interpretation of Tray Lance.

I will say this. This is mine. This is the eye. I'm the layman here. He's got a hitch in his throwing motion that's got to be refined in the offseason. Sometimes there's a build-up to it. It's a little slow. It's not darnled slow, but it's a little slow.

You don't do that with Jalen Ramsey or it ends up being an interception. It's a little slow. He's got a power arm, though. He's big. He can move. He's mobile. He may not make you miss. but, you know, he can spring for 15-yard runs.

But I see a lot of things I like. He's a big, strong athlete. He's Herbert. He's a big, strong athlete. A little bit of a hitch in the throw. That's what I saw. You tell me, you're the expert. What do the film say?

Well, you're learning, Colin. You're learning quarterbacks here because he does have that little bit of hitch and fractions in the NFL do matter. I think that can be cleaned up. What I would say is I thought he settled into the game nicely last week. The start was a little slow. He broke the pocket at times when he didn't need to, but they're able to add some things.

They're able to add the play action, boot pass game, get him outside the pocket. You don't see that much with Garapolo. But for the most part, they ran their pass game. And that in and of itself was a positive because the last time he started week five versus Arizona, it was all designed runs. And they did not really run the past game,

which told you Kyle did not have confidence in him to do so, This time he did. You saw most of the same concepts that you see that they run with Garapolo. A lot of people got excited about the 45-yard touchdown to Samuel, which I believe we're seeing right here is that that's something they've never done before. That's a staple play that they run. Garopolo has run that play and hit receivers for touchdowns. In fact, he had killed for a touchdown a few years ago against the Packers. So that play was not added for Trey Lance.

It just looks nicer with Lance because his arm is better. So it appears better, but they ran all their staple concept, the same things they run with Garoppolo. All right. Matt Stafford's interesting. He has done this multiple times this year where he struggles in the first half and then is perfect in the second. He was terrific. I don't know what happens, but he was so good second half. Cooper Cup. OBJ. Maybe it was the power running by Sony Michelle that helped it. But are you troubled? Matt Stafford's picks just bad reads, sloppy? What are they? You know, Colin, I wish I had a brilliant answer to that.

You know, I'd love to ask Matthew Stafford because some of those picks for a veteran quarterback, I would just love to know what he sees. The first interception to Chuck Clark was a staple route concept. It was a wise stick concept. Everybody has it. And Chuck Clark was sitting there. And again, you know, hey, I've never taken a snap. So I can't, you know, I don't want to sound like, hey, I'm smarter than Matthew Stafford.

But he's had a bunch of interceptions this year that are head scratchers, given the fact that he's a veteran. But I will say offensively, this is a really difficult team to defend. Yes. They're really good formationally. They're really good with their condensed formations, which makes it difficult to handle, particularly if you want to play man coverage. One thing I think they really do well is the way they use their back in an offset position, okay? And this is a little detail, and I won't go into too much detail, but that tells them an awful lot about how the defense is going to play them, where the back is, which side of Stafford he's on in relation to the distribution of their receivers, whether it's three by one, two by two.

And the back tells them an awful lot. and they're really good at that. And it's just a very difficult offense to defend, a very difficult pass game to defend. And now that they've added the run game, which has become a factor, it's really a pretty complete multi-dimensional offense. All right, Raiders, Chargers, very big game.

I've said this, that Hunter Renfro, Derek Carthrow may have been the best throw of his career. I like Carr more than others. I think he's more of a risk taker than he used to be. We've talked about this. Yes. He's doing, everybody's banged up. No Waller, Hunter Renfro's it. Protection's always okay, not great. It depends on the opposition. But what will they have to do and will they be able to do it against the Chargers?

Well, keep one thing in mind. They've been running the ball very well the last number of weeks. Josh Jacobs has started to look like Josh Jacobs. I don't know whether he's healthy. I don't know whether they've just committed more to it in their minds. But their run game has become a big factor. And one thing we do know, the Chargers for the most part this year, have really strong. struggle to stop the run. So I think the run game has to be a factor. But I agree with you about Carr. I think Carr is a very professional quarterback. I don't think they've gotten, and again, I don't know the why to this, but I don't think they've gotten what they expected out of Brian Edwards, who's in his second year from South Carolina, who I really like coming out of the draft. I thought he'd be a really good pro, but for whatever reason, he does not get targeted very often. of Waller has obviously been out for a good four or five weeks now.

So, you know, this past game is limited in terms of weapons. So you do have to take that into account. Maybe that's one reason they've committed more to the run. Yeah. But that's become a much bigger factor for them. How about the Chargers and Justin Herbert? How will they match out with the Raiders? Yeah.

The Raiders are, there's no mystery at all to the Raiders on defense. They play the highest percentage of cover three. It's zone coverage with a single high safety. They play the highest percentage in the league. And the other coverage they play is cover one, which is the man version of single high safety. So you know you're getting single high safety. So there's no mystery. And then what you do is an offense is you whip out your cover three beaters, your own beaters.

And then you have your man beaters against cover one. So it's the chargers know how they have to handle this. It's just can they execute effectively enough to do so. Okay. So let's, we'll get to your big play of the week in just a sec. but Brady is leading the league and I think touchdown passes. They're a little banged up now, so it should be noted,

especially on both sides, I guess. So Tom's not going to have it like last year where it was just smooth sailing. Everybody's healthy. They had the Falcons and Lions every week. It's a little different. They're a little bit like Kansas City last year. They're kind of falling apart physically,

but what do you make of his year? I mean, overall, it's been a really strong year. And Brady is, you know, we've talked about this. Brady is so good from the pocket. Look, obviously so good before the snap of the ball, too. That's the critical piece here. Brady wins before the snap of the ball. So he knows where he's going.

So rarely do you ever see him get stuck in the pocket. But he's able to just control the game from the pocket. And most people nowadays seem to believe that you have to run around to be a quality NFL quarterback. Brady has never run around and Brady can't run around. But he controls everything. thing from the pocket and rarely is stuck there. So it's just remarkable to me how good he is. I was mentioning Aaron Rogers, his throwing.

I think when you talk about a quarterback just in command from the pocket, snap after snap, Brady absolutely comes to mind. And what he did on that final drive, that was really, really impressive. I mean, and the touchdown, and we're going to break it down here. So let's take a look at that winning touchdown to Grayson. And then we'll break it down because in some. many ways. It was very simple, you know, which it doesn't appear that way when you see it. It seems truly special, but it was kind of simple. Brady's in the shotgun here. And obviously we're under a

minute here. You have Bray and Grayson. There are the two receivers to the boundary side of the formation. Yeah. And what you're going to get defensively is what we call quarters, cover four. So we'll stay to that side of the field with the safety and corner, each responsible for a quarter. So here's the route concept. You have Brayt who's going to run a quick out route and Grayson's going to run the vertical go route. Now, as I said, this is not complicated because here's what happens. As the corner sees Brate run the out, he says, hey, that's going to be in my quarter of the field. So I'm going to react to that.

So now what has to happen is the safety has to replace the corner and get over the top of the vertical route. and the safety is late. And Brady sees this immediately. You know, he gives a little pump, but he knows what he has. He knows that he's going vertically over the top, and the safety is late. So they beat the quarter's coverage, and you can see this on an ISO of the receivers, but it's just, like I said, it's not complicated, but you have to make a great throw. And Brady made a great throw, and that was the game winner.

Good stuff. Greg Kossel, 40. two years at NFL films. And so kind of you to wish me a happy birthday. I was not that subtle with the reminder. But not the last of you. Good seeing you.

Thanks, Con. You bet. Mark Sanchez, by the way, last hour. He's great. And we're going to announce this hour. No, it's next hour, right? The four new coaches. We have, it's an 18 league for the USFL.

Now, I've bet on spring football twice and been wrong, but I think the pandemic hurt the last venture. So USFL was a league. Fox owned the rights to it. And so we're doing spring football. Again, I've been arguing this for years. There's absolutely a market. Absolutely a market.

For sure. Yeah. By the way, MySpace was Facebook before Facebook. It didn't work. There was a time for it. I've said this with cryptocurrency. It'll work eventually. I'm just not sure the current companies are the ones that'll work.

But we will have cryptocurrency working at some point. And spring football, I am convinced we'll work. The last league was beating hockey and baseball and ratings. Like, this is going to work. We love football. We do, and we like betting football. And now that it's increasingly legal in 30 or 40 states, we really like football.

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it's free to play. It's a weird, weird week. You're taking your life into your own hands on my blazing five this week. It's Rams Chargers, you're going to get a real football game, right? Rams, Rams 49ers, you're going to get a real game. Raiders Chargers. So the L.A. teams, it's good for us. We're going to get really competitive games.

But there's a, you know, like they're sitting Baker. Burroughs not playing. Baker's not playing. So there's some, you know, you get what you get. Is Aaron Rogers playing officially? Matt LaFleur said he was going to play the guys, but, you know, how much they're going to play, who knows. And he may not play Aaron Rogers when it comes down to it, but I think it depends on how he feels. I'd want him to get reps.

I mean, there's no right answer. Like if he plays and it gets worse, then that's the wrong thing. If he doesn't play and they have Russ, then it's the wrong thing. I don't know. I think it just depends on it. Like, I think Burrow, obviously, it's the right choice of us. It's funny about the NFL, I was thinking about this, is that it is the one sport. Like in baseball, you can't go last to first.

It's really hard because the teams in last are usually low pirates, royals. I mean, when the royals were good with Ned Yost about 10 years ago, like they had had a bunch of draft picks and they all kind of got older at the same time in their prime. And then they had a really, really good year and an amazing bullpen. But you kind of saw it coming. It's hard to go from awful to good. NBA, same. If you don't have the star's power, you don't. I mean, like, Memphis is better now because John Morant's a star, but we don't consider

them a title team, and we've seen the slow growth. The NFL's been the one sport. I mean, Bill Parcells did it like four times. Dolphins were one in 15, and the next year they won 11 games. Like, you can replace almost 40% of your roster. You can go free agents. You can go draft picks. And if you have a capable quarterback, like a capable quarterback, you can go from pretty

bad to pretty good. The one team in this league, like Jacksonville, if they got like Harba or something and they had a good draft and they fixed that O line, you could see them in that goofy division being kind of viable. I could. Detroit. Detroit moves the ball.

They've got a star tight end. Umar on St. Brown. Gough's capable, Swift. You could see them and they have a left tackle, Panesoul. If they solve their defense, they're in more games. They just give up 30 a weekend. The one to, the Jets, the Jets have a talented quarterback.

They've got some pieces. They need to another good free agency. They're not Panzac Wilson. He's got talent. He moves around. The one team in the Leam, I'm like, they're crap. And I don't see any solution is the New York Giants. They don't have the right GM. They don't have the right roster. They overpaid for people. They have a decent D-line. It's getting expensive potentially. They don't have the right quarterback. And it's like, I'm sorry, but Dallas has way better players. Philadelphia does and Jalen Hertz is getting better, and I do have a feeling that Ron Rivera will figure it out to some degree at Washington.

That's the only team in this league. I look at it. I'm like, yeah, they stink for years and years to come. The Giants. And it is amazing to say that because when I lived out east, they were the accounting firm. That was my takeaway when I moved out east. They were boring even when they had a good year.

When everybody got bonuses at the accounting firm, the Christmas party is a complete snooze because it's a bunch of accountants and they're boring. even in a good year. But they were just so rock solid, coaching, scouting, this, that they are years away from getting it right. In a bad division. If you put them in the NFC West, that's a two-win team. It is that, they are just broken. And I got no answers on this stuff.

They are broken. Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Detroit needs to hit on about three defensive draft picks. Detroit is viable in a year. There aren't a lot of games this year. They need more talent.

Left tackle, running back, tied-in, quarterback receiver. Like they did in another receiver and go heavy defense. They were in. They had Baltimore beat when Baltimore still had healthy players. So there's a lot of conversation about if this is going to be Aaron Rogers last season in Green Bay. And now the Packers have clinched the top seed and Rogers is in line for another MVP. He said he seems to be leaving all the possibilities on the table when he is talking about his future. The grass is greener where you water it.

I really believe that. You know, I think that where you spend your time and energy and what you choose to water will always be the greenest part of your life. And I decided, you know, when I came back that I was going to be all in with the team and all in to to see things move forward to a better place. Brian and I sat down and got on the same page, and it's been a really nice fall and winter. I appreciate, you know, his approach, how it's been, and it's been very meaningful to me.

Well, that's nice. That's a good little quote there. Very positive. You have to steal that one. Yeah, I like that. The grass is greener where you water it. Yeah, I mean, you will excel at what you put your energy into. That's right.

And I think that that is what he chose to do at the beginning of the season when he stayed with the Packers, which is, I'm going to go all in on this season, where I am with this team, the way it is assembled, and we'll see what we can do. And what they did was win the NFC, at least have the number one seed in the NFC, and we'll see what happens in the playoffs. I maintain, I would not be shocked if Aaron Rogers leaves. I would not be surprised. I can't be surprised. I would be surprised. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I wouldn't be shocked because if he went to Pittsburgh, I would get it. He would finally have a world-class defense. Well, I do think that I think the better place for him is in Green Bay. But what does Aaron Rogers want?

And this is the thing with this situation. With Tom Brady, we know what Tom Brady wanted to do. Tom Brady wanted to win another Super Bowl. Yeah. We know what Russell Wilson wants. He wants a legacy. He wants more Super Bowls. He wants a long career. There's certain players you know what their brand is and what they're working towards, right? What does Aaron Rogers want? You know, this is interesting. When he won his first Super Bowl, remember the quote he said after, I don't have it specifically or exactly in front of me, but it was like, this is it. Like, shouldn't I be happier? So he obviously likes football and he's good at it.

And he waters it. But it's not the be all end like it is for Russell Wilson or Tom Brady, like this just ascending nothing else. Manning, very focused. He's told us it's not that. Like in the offseason, it's like, I'm going to hang out with friends. So we know Aaron's not that. What's fascinating to me is if he wins his second Super Bowl, does it ensure he stays or ensure he goes?

Because his thing is, okay, I did it. Yeah, I've reached the Pentagon. What is up from here for me? For Brady, we know he'll, he'd like to win 15 Super Bowl. It's like there's no end to this. But that's different personality. He wants to stop playing when he feels like he has nothing left to give physically to the game. Probably the same for Russell Wilson.

But that's my question with Aaron Rogers. I don't know if I can answer what the right thing for Aaron Rogers is because I don't know what his motivation is. I remember as a kid, I can remember where I was, the couch was blue. What it was, we didn't have cable TV. We didn't have the internet. When John Elway retired and I'm like, he just won the Super Bowl. John Elway had years left. He wasn't in his prime, but he had years left.

And I can remember as a kid being like, I didn't understand it. I was like, you know, 15, however old I was. I was just like, doesn't make any sense. It was a shocking moment. If the money wasn't so great, because Elway made more money in car dealerships and all that stuff, where you get to now is Aaron's making $35 million a year. That is, I'm sorry, I know Aaron's not about money, but that's just, too much money to walk away from.

Isn't it? Michael Jordan for most of his career made a million a year playing for the Bulls. Two million a year. 35 million. I mean, how much has he made from endorsements? Like, how much money do you need for your happiness? There is a number that everybody has where, like, trees don't go to the sky, right? There's a number that everybody reaches in their life when they're like, I'm happy with this

number and I no longer need to work every day. You know what? to be happy. He's also, I'll throw this out. This is complete conjecture. Aaron is more artist than any quarterback we've ever had. Aaron's an artist. He hangs out with artists. He's into music. He's an artist. Artists tend to, this is not a criticism. They like to feel special, right? Like they want to be identified as unique. I could see Aaron retiring after an MVP in a Super Bowl and he would be an enigma forever? Yeah.

And it would make... All we would talk about is how many more could he want? What would he have done if he had gone to Pittsburgh? The only way to Trump Brady and Montana is... Mystique. The hell? He had 10 years left. Yeah.

And I could see Aaron just saying, you know what, man? I got 120 million in the bank. He's part of a, like a, like a, like a, some financial fund. I mean, he's done very well. I'm sure he's, and he's going to make plenty more. Like, it's, it's not that his earning days are over. But they might not be done in the NFL. But that's my question when it comes down to, what is Aaron?

and Rogers going to do. What does Aaron Rogers want? And it's always philosophical when it comes to him. Like, it's just not that simple of a question. It would make him the most unique quarterback. It wouldn't make him the goat. It wouldn't make him the most productive. But he would be, as an artist, I mean, there would be a little bit of, for different reasons, obviously.

You know, a lot of rock stars, they, you know, Jim Morrison, to me is as gift of that musician as the world's had. Jim Morrison was, I was a huge doors fan. And there's such an enigma around him. We still talk about Jim Morrison all the time. Like if Aaron just said MVP Super Bowl, I'm out. He would be the most discussed quarterback not playing in the history of the league. Right, because I think we thought maybe Andrew Luck had more.

But Andrew Luck is a completely different personality and he doesn't reach the heights that Aaron has. I think it's, I could see Aaron doing it. really could. So a report surfaced this week that a group of Jaguar's fans are planning to wear clown costumes to the team's final game on Sunday. This is reportedly to convince the owner Shod Khan to fire GM Trent Balky. This is brutal. And Trevor Lawrence says he understands the fans frustration, even though he wouldn't express it this way. The fans that have been Jacksonville fans for a long time, I'm sure that hasn't been easy. And obviously, we haven't had much success this year. So that's, that's frustrating for us as well. So I, you know, I understand from a

fan's perspective, would I, would I do that personally? No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. But, you know, fans feel how they feel. And it's hard to, like I said, this year's been disappointing for all of us. Like, we wanted to win a lot more games, so I get the frustration. I'm going to give him a total pass this year. We have not talked about Trevor Lawrence at really at all. No bad situation. And it's just been a brutal situation for him. I really hope. they make the right decision about who to bring in to develop him because it's, it's, I don't, I don't really get into like what's fair and what's not fair. I don't like playing that game in life, but if I was going to say it's been unfair,

it's been unfair to Trevor Lawrence. It's been unfair. So Tom Brady is still playing at elite level at 44, and he's in the MVP conversation, going for his second straight Super Bowl in Tampa. Gronk has played all 11 seasons with Brady, and he thinks Brady deserves to win the MVP every year. Yeah. I'm the MVP every year. I mean, just the way that he adjusts on the fly, you know, to his personnel,

just trying to get the ball into the best player's hands or the best, you know, match up on that current play. He's just always, you know, ready to go no matter what the situation is. So he's MVP every year, baby. Well, he's saying what Greg Cosell did. He really wins the play pre-snap. He knows where to go and when to go. And Gronk isn't, like, he's being a little cheeky here, but he's not entirely wrong.

And I wouldn't say every year. But Brady kind of falls into that category that LeBron does where it's like he's so good that he's competing almost against himself. And Brady was in the MVP conversation, like leading the MVP race for a while this year. You talked about it earlier. Like the MVP this year is not as wide as we think it is. No, last year, Aaron was better last year. And six people didn't give it to him. I do think that Aaron is going to win it.

this year. I do too. My guess is. I think that Brady is, was deserving of it and Burrow is certainly deserving. But Aaron's going to win it because of the liberal media. But doesn't the liberal media. Not like Aaroners? Yeah, that's right. That's right. The liberal media, the woke, it's hard to figure out what side. I am. I don't want to know what that line of thinking, how to add the math is math in on that. But there are some deserving candidates, whereas I think most years, it's pretty clear, like this guy is head and shoulders. Yeah, I don't think that's the year. But it's been a year of parody, and that's why.

Good stuff, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Mark Sanchez, next hour is The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. He's by Carmen. I'm Dan Byrd.

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Joy. Dallas may get the Super Bowl. They have the ingredients. They have a looser restrictions on COVID. So California until January 15th is you got to wear a mask everywhere. And the Super Bowls. Oh, you're talking about like the actual city of Dallas. I'm not to talk about the Cowboys.

Well, it'd be like Arlington. So there's a lot of... Physically the city might. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think this is going to happen. So it's funny. So I watched about... three quarters of the Warriors

Mavericks game last night. They were honoring Dirk Novitsky. It was a weird game. Warriors had a 12-0 run and the Mavericks had a 12-all run. Mavericks won. But I was watching the crowd in Dallas and there's this, you know, the media would lead you to believe that everybody in Dallas is arch-conservative. They're all anti-vaxxers, which is just not true at all. And the Maverick crowd, there was masks everywhere. Well, I think you have to wear them at NBA.

So is that the way it is in the NBA now? You have to wear it in a game. I'm pretty sure you do, unless you are a, by eating or drinking. So you will. Then that means you can, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, so, look, like, you're going to. Have you ever done this on a plane?

I wear a mask, but on a plane, you know what I do? It's coffee. I just keep it up by my mouth. I just keep it around my mouth. I mean, I try to be, you know, especially with flight attendants. Yes. They've been through a lot this past year. So I try not to.

I try to be courteous to people who are taking care of us. Think of people beyond yourself. That's a redeemable. quality. Yeah, I won't get too high on my high horse, but I do what I can. But I don't think that the Super Bowl is going to be moved to Dallas. I really, I'm not, not from an optimistic standpoint. It's just a practical standpoint. The Super Bowl brings in millions of dollars into, could be 75 million to the LA economy. Yeah, into the economy for the powers that be to make any changes, because we're open right now. The only restrictions that we have are that you have to show vaccination

to get into... I'm going to go have dinner tonight. Yes. I mean, you can eat inside. Like, there's no restrictions. There's no limitations. There's no restaurants and everything is clubs, bars. Everything is fully open. You're supposed to wear a mask when you're walking through places.

And you're asked to show your vaccine card to get in everywhere. But we're fully open. So I would have a very hard time believing that the powers of being in California would change that with the Super Bowl coming. That's not to get, you know, conspiracy, but like, that's probably not the best political move to do. And that's what these things come down to. It's money at the end of the day. Getting votes and yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, we're in the middle of the pandemic. There's a variant spreading everywhere and they haven't changed

any of the protocols as of yet. So I would have a very hard time believing that they would do that. Yeah. They have to have a backup plan, obviously. Yeah. And Dallas is always a great backup plan. Right. In the middle of the country, it's a great stadium. It's a venue that does fights. Yeah, it's a turnkey situation for this if you have to do it. But Jerry Jones would love it. Of course. Yeah. In LA would not. But his good friend, Stan Cronky, would probably like it in L.A.

I think he would. And the truth is, I would love to see fans get an opportunity around America to go to SoFi. Oh, to experience SoFi. Yeah. Oh, it's an incredible. It's the best football stadium in the world. That's what they built before. I mean, I'm not counting these like historic Notre Dame college stadiums.

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