The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NFL news with Dianna Russini

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

NFL Reporter Dianna Russini joins the show to talk DK Metcalf’s future, Aaron Rodgers' next team, and why Sam Darnold may not get as much as we thought in free agency See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRedio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. Kind of excited to watch on TV. J-Mack will be watching live. Nick's Lakers tonight. Lakers start a very tough, tough, tough, like seven-game stretch. Austin Reeves may go.

Carly and I think Talon's expected back. Lakers' first quarter is Lakers minus one. You're going to hit that? No. It feels like a trap. You bet a lot more basketball than I do? college hoops last night nice little two and one yeah had old miss how about this keeping your eye you know what i want for a final four in college basketball duke better be in there tom is oh michigan state is oh michigan state's good i'm on iowa tonight okay michigan state's

good i want tom iso rick bettino duke and cooper flag and then the best c cc team if that's the final four i would vote for it now michigan state this is a really good team really they got some good dude but i i if i get iso and rick bettino Too fiery guys. You like Patino because of the white suits, huh? No, I just think Rick is intense. I like these old school, you know, get in your face, get in the players' face, get in the official's face. I love Izzo. I love Petino and they're great coaches.

And then give me Duke and Cooper Flagg the best player easily in college basketball. Then give me Auburn. Do you need more of that fire from me or am I? No, you're doing okay. I don't need a white suit. No, you're doing fine. But I do think, remember, the NBA draft this year is very domestic. It's Rutgers guys. It's Duke guys.

It's a vet. Like last year, I'd never seen anybody play. This year, it's like the WNBA draft. Like, you're going to see domestic players that you watch Big Ten SEC. I think Auburn's the best team I've seen. Bruce Pearl's excellent. I think that's a great team. But if you can give me Cooper flag, I mean, Duke's got like three. NBA dudes. At least three.

By the way, you mentioned WNBA. Did you see Caitlin Clark's team got like a bunch of good players in the offseason? I know you're not monitoring WNBA. But Caitlin Clark and the fever. They got some good players. They are, they're going to be a problem this year. Would not be surprised if they make a run to the finals. Caitlin Clark, I'm excited

for a year two. I don't know what you are. You and I talked about this. We are in the content business. Caitlin Clark gives us 15 segments in July and August. We are pro. Caitlin Clark. Angel Reese, WNBA. We're looking for segments in August.

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Go ahead. How about you? All right. I got a twice a week podcast. We're going to have a big show on Monday, the start of free agency. It's called Scoop City. You can get it anywhere on Spotify and Apple iTunes, anywhere at the Athletic.

You can click and find it. And it's essentially me and Chase Daniel, a 14-year veteran, and it's me and him. I give him all the intel, and then he tells me what the real deal is based off the information I tell him. It's a quick listen, 45 minutes. You can run errands, get the things done around your house, and pretty much listen to one show and know everything you need to know about the league. All right. There you go. And that's good.

Wow. Thank you. I was not ready for that. Did I do all right selling it? You did a great job. So, D.K. Metcalf, middle of our show yesterday, I like him. But I've said this before. It could be A.J. Brown, D.K. Metcalfe. It is the position for whatever reasons that tends to be the most verbal. And sometimes that can be verbal slash disruptive. I don't think D.K. Metcalfe is disruptive, but last year, 35 catches were first downs. Amar on St. Brown double. He also gets paid. penalized a lot, leads the league in penalty yards as a receiver since he entered it. A lot of that's temperamental. I would move off him, but he's 31 million. I think maybe you get a second or third round pick. Just give me the backstory on this. John Snyder's been great at drafting

wide receivers, so they'll be fine. But give me the DK market story. What are you hearing? Yeah, so right now teams that are interested in DK, they've reached out to Seattle and they're being told right now that the compensation they're looking for is a first and third in exchange for the wide receiver. So that is very, very high. Let's just go back to the AJ Brown trade between the Tennessee Titans and the Philadelphia Eagles, right? Like that that's basically what we're talking about here. And I think we can all fairly say they are not the same player. And obviously a few years have gone by since then. So look, a lot of teams that I've talked to around the league that definitely had their eye on Seattle

over the last few weeks knowing that they could possibly be moving on. Just feel that that price is just it's too high. Yeah. So I'm going to predict that that's going to change here soon as they're testing out the market to see like, all right, we try to get our best, but that's probably going to be

too much. D.K. wants a new deal. He wants about $30 million a year. Yeah. And I do agree with you on how you are categorizing receivers in football. They are loud. And they sent tend to be the ones with the most personality and sometimes the ones causing the biggest headaches. Yeah.

But when you look at a player like DK, he's still a big guy. He's really good off the ball. He obviously has come up with some really big catches. And when you're taking a look at just this free agent market of wide receivers, it's not great. Yeah. So I can see why there are teams poking around to try to see if they can get Seattle to move off this number here, at least of a first round pick in exchange, knowing that, look, he could go to a team and quickly make a difference.

But I do think he's going to need a team with a strong head coach. I was told he wants to go to a warm weather organization. So I think that cuts it down to some of the teams here that we're talking about that would be interested. And then you, I mean, Colin, just look around the league at every team that needs a receiver right now. You know, what comes to mind, the Panthers, Jacksonville, the New England Patriots, Houston, in the chargers. For now, I can tell you, none of those teams are going to pay that price. None of them. I've reached out to all of them. They're not going to do it.

But they certainly still have interest. I thought an interesting story. I love what the Bears did. This is what Washington did last year. Before Jane Daniels took an NFL snap, they went and got a couple of interior linemen, and this is what the Bears did. Jonah Jackson, I get the Rams moving off that, but he's got a lot of experience. I was surprised, considering that Mahomes, was in peril and running for his life in big games last year

that they moved off Joe Tunney who did one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. They took a guard, put him at left tackle, and was actually excellent. We know the Bears probably did a really good thing here. What happened in Kansas City? Why do they move off him? No, it's a great point you make.

I reported right after the Super Bowl after talking with some people in Kansas City after their loss. Like make no mistake, Brett Veach is going to fix this. This is going to be priority number one. Protecting Patrick Mahomes. This looked exactly the way it did in Tampa. We saw what they did then.

And here, in this situation, whenever I see them move off a player that I believe, just from my own eyes, contribute so much more than just what we're seeing on the field. What it says to me is we're making moves for someone else. We've got our eye on someone that we think is either younger, cheaper, and I can tell you they've got a plan because Kansas City tends to do. that, which is why they have so much success. So, well, I think it's difficult for them to walk away from a player like this who has brought so much success to them and has been part of the fabric of this team. I think in their mind, there are players that they can bring in here and immediately

have a good impact here. And then obviously on the other side of this for Chicago, I mean, come on, Ben Johnson's just doing what he saw in Detroit and what he did in Detroit, get some protection and I can run whatever the heck I want to run. Right. So he's going to be able to do that. and address it. And look, we can just keep going back to the Super Bowl as just like the perfect example of how you want to build a team, credit to Howie Roseman and the coaching by Nick Suriani in that game, right? The way they built that team, that championship roster is how a lot of teams are trying

to replicate. And it's not a secret. We've all known that that's the way to do it. Except I think this team truly highlighted that importance. Okay. So it's not a good free agent quarterback market. It's not a good quarterback college. market. So Sam Darnold, it would seem to me, would have a pretty viable market. Now, I said this

the other day. Josh Allen was MVP. I watched them go nine for 30 against Houston. I watched him be pretty awful against the Colts. Great quarterbacks have awful games. If the production is down, you're on the road. I mean, Darnold at Detroit, it felt like the biggest game in Detroit in a decade. But were those last two games, the one against the Rams where he was running for his life, and the game against Detroit where he just didn't play well, are those going to eliminate the first 14 games? Because it doesn't feel like there's a huge Donald market. I know.

It's peculiar. And I've had conversations with people that are desperate for quarterbacks right now. And there's something about the way he lost those two games that is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of these decision-makers. And I do think it's layered, okay? I think part of it is there's an attitude of, see, we told you, Darnold isn't that good. That was just lightning in a bottle, things just lined up right. You know, they were winning certain games because of certain situations.

This isn't the real Sam Darnold. We're just getting the best version of him in this moment. This isn't the true man. Okay, so you have that. Then you have another layer to this where people believe that Kevin O'Connell is the best coach for Sam Darnold. So if you're a coach who, let's say, he's on a short leash, and you're selling to your owner and your GM, like, let's go get Sam, I can do it. There may be some hesitance there.

Can you get the same Sam Darnold that Kevin O'Connell was able to get? You know, this idea that no one truly knows who Sam Darnold is, I feel like, has been following him his entire career. Going back to when he was throwing at SC and I had people on the ground telling me, wait, Sam Darnold is going to be the next. big thing. And those same people that I would stay in touch with over the years when Sam was struggling would be so frustrated because they would be like you don't understand he's good. This just these aren't the right programs for him. And so in Minnesota, it's the best program for him, which is why I think there's got to be an effort made from both Donald's camp and from the Vikings camp to try to make something work here. But Colin, you're right. I talked to you at the

Super Bowl. I think one of the things I shared with you was I was really expecting Sam's market to be in the 40s. I do not predict it to be that. I think it's going to be less than that. I think it's going to be in the low 30s, possibly maybe even high 20s if Minnesota can get the kind of deal that they want to get. But it is certainly changed considering last week we were chasing the Matthew Stafford story like a bunch of lunatics, knowing that these teams were so desperate to get Stafford in the building, being the Vegas Raiders, the New York Giants. They are not going aggressively hard at Sam Darnel, the way they were going after Matthew Stafford, understandably. It's the same thing with movies.

Great movie, lousy 12 minutes at the end. You think it's a bad movie. Donald had a lousy couple of games, and it's just like, you know, Josh Allen had a bad game. It's against Houston. Nobody remembers it, and that's just the way it is sometime. Timing is everything. Now, so I would argue on the behalf of Aaron Rogers, who I have been critical of before. So when they fired Robert Saul in New York, they lost their best coach.

In my opinion, I think Solic can coach. I'd give them another chance at a head coaching job. Jets were a mess. and I thought they had a very weak staff that point forward. And yet in the last 10 games, without great protection, Aaron was pretty good. So again, like Darnold, I think the pendulum has swung too far on Aaron Rogers. If I was the Raiders, I would take him today. I don't get this.

It appears, now, is this an Aaron thing? I, you can't, his last 10 games, he almost had 100 quarterback rating, and it was a suboptimal staff. So what's going on with Aaron? What's going on with us? Why are we starting to agree? I need to go on Nick Wright's show. I need to fight with someone and debate. We're in line too much.

What does that say about my life right now that I'm in line with you on all this stuff? Because I agree. I just was talking about it on my podcast. My co-host, Chase said, how do you think Giants fans should feel about the idea of Aaron Rogers playing for the Giants? And I said, they should feel the way the Jets fans felt two years ago,

optimistic. Because I can tell you, I've spoken to enough people around the league who believe that Aaron Rogers still has some the left in the tank and it's decent and put him in the right environment with the right head coach who can be a little bit more demanding and hold them to the same type of rules and standards and and the way they wanted to run um you know treat him like everyone else i i think we can get that they could squeeze a little bit of the of the juice out of them um it's just got to be where is he going to flourish best the ram situation was so ideal Colin and and i really i i i really i i

I thought it was going to happen at one point when I was in Indianapolis at the scouting combine last week. I said this is really going to happen. Matthew Stafford's going to leave and Rogers is going to go there. But in the end, obviously, Stafford decided to stick with Sean McVeigh for another year and the Raiders are going to poke around. Here's what I can tell you. When we're like lining teams up with veteran quarterbacks, every team that needs a quarterback right now has a line out to every single available veteran quarterback at this moment. because right now no one can read the landscape well because we don't know who's going where you know the idea of daniel jones going to india's on the table could he possibly go to Vegas right chip kelly you know he's going to want a mobile quarterback could could uh justin fields leave pittsburg perhaps he can wind up in Vegas maybe the russell wilson thing could perhaps turn into him going to los vegas all of this is on the table and and the teams are being really open about it no one's being coy, like, ah, we got our eye on just one guy.

Everyone is saying the same thing as which we've got to reach out to everyone because we have no idea how this is going to shake. Diana Rusini, as always, absolute money. It is great seeing you. You and Chase are great on Scoop City, and thank you again for stopping by. Thanks. I'll talk to you soon, hopefully with different opinions. Okay.

Diana Rusini, you know, it's interesting. So I think people forget this. Remember when Brady had that bad final game in New England? I think it was a pick six against Tennessee. and he lost that game. And Brady had no market. People forget this. One of my favorite GMs down in Tampa, you know that,

and the Chargers. So the Chargers were in on it. They finished second and the Bucks. Two teams on a Brady. Brady was still a top five quarterback. But it was like, you know, you watched at the end of the year, the Patriots receivers were awful. Tom was struggling through no fault.

of us own. They didn't have any receivers that could separate. And like, Darnold has two bad games. I'll say it again. Detroit has a much better roster. It was just a game Detroit was not going to lose at home. They were not going to lose that game. And the Rams sacked Donald the following week because they couldn't block the Rams.

They had like nine sacks. Are you forgetting the first 14, 15 weeks? It's crazy to me that Darnold has no market. It's crazy to me that because Aaron Rogers, the Jets were such a circus. I don't know. I I watched Aaron at the end of the year and I thought, that looks like Vegas to me.

That looks like, I mean, if Brock Purdy was like, I want 60, if I was San Francisco, I'd go get Aaron Rogers for a year. I don't know. I'm fascinated by this all the time in the NFL that, like, players I really like, people are reticent on. And it's like, and I understand, like I said before, I always joked about this with the movie Usual Suspects. I think it's a good movie with an unbelievable ending. So people categorize usual suspects as a great movie. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. It's got a great last 12 minutes.

Historically great. Now, I think Castaways is a great movie with a goofy ending. I mean, he goes from talking to a volleyball to back to being an insurance broker in, like, one scene. Like, give me a break. So I think it does matter how things end. Right. Right. You want a good ending to a movie.

You want a good ending. You can lose. I mean, it's really funny. Go look at Patrick Mahomes. dominated the league. He had a terrible game against Philadelphia. And everybody's like, you know, I'm out on Kansas City. You know, Mahomes always was a little overrated. It's like, guys, it was a bad game against a superior team. So what happened to Donald against the Lions is what happened to Mahomes against Philadelphia. Way better roster. And you can get overwhelmed very quickly

in this league. Except the Lions defense couldn't stop anybody. I heard Diana say, does Aaron Rogers have anything left in the tank? And I just asked that to chat GPT. And the answer was, yes, a bag of mushrooms. So I think Aaron is going to be fine wherever he lands. Was that too harsh? No, you know, it's funny. I was listening the other day. I forget, was it Seth Rogan.

Somebody was talking about mushrooms, and they were saying how valuable they are to creativity. Ooh. And I'm going to have some mushroom soup tonight at dinner. Sounds tasty. I'm coming in here tomorrow with like six new theories. Yeah. Can't wait for that. It sounds spicy.

Uh, that's, it's just no market for Darnold. Really? I mean, outlier, sorry. Sorry. Okay, okay. Coughing up something. All right. Chris Broussard last hour.

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love the move. But here's an interesting take. Richard Sherman believes despite losing Debo, the San Francisco offense is going to be just fine. Yep. Sometimes you have too many miles to feed and you don't have enough footballs. There's only one football and you're trying to feed

Christian McCaffrey, Kittle, Ayuk, you're trying to get it to Depot and now you've got this draft picking for Saul and you're trying to make sure you keep everybody happy and it's very difficult to do. And I I think this kind of simplifies things. I think it gets Kittle more involved than the offense. And he obviously has been fantastic and one of the best side ends in the game.

And I think that's something that down the stretch, Calhachanan, realize that, hey, we're not using George Kittle enough. We need to find a way to get him involved. And you cannot get everybody to ball when you have so many miles of feet. Yeah. And he was getting a little noisy. I agree. This goes back to my theory that let's not go crazy on wide receivers.

They've got Jennings. They've got Iyuk. They've got Kittle. It was an all pro. Christians back. They'll be fine. They got that Ricky Pearceol. They got cowling the kid in the fourth rounder. Last thing I'm worried about with the Niners is wide receiver.

That is the last thing I'm worried about. I'm worried about corner. I'm worried about O'Line. I'm worried about Pan Brock Purdy too much. I am not worried about wide receiver for the Niners. You... I don't... Listen, Kittles obviously great. Is Iyuka 1? Yes.

He's coming off a major injury. I don't know how good he's going to be. How motivated he was he was the bad. Is he a one? Is he a one? No. You don't think Iyuk's a one? No. God.

You think he's that awesome? I think he's a top ten talent in the league. Maybe I'm too down on him after the... They've got a one. Jennings is clearly a two. Jennings is good. I like Kittle, but he's old. I like McCaffrey, but he's old.

He's old. Kittl was the best hide-in in football last year. Yeah, he's also old, man. These guys break down. We saw Travis Kelsey go from Super Bowl star. So is your mentor. Still churning out yards. Trent Williams, like 37?

Yeah, I'm not denying they're old in spots, but they're still great players. Christian McCaffrey's still the best back in the league. I'm not denying the age thing, but I'm saying if I look at... Sequin Barclay calling you right now. Okay, you're right. Maybe two, because Christian banged out, but Christians in all-timer. They're old. They're not untalented.

Right. You know, they're not there. Remember when I was going to bail on the Jets for the Niners? Yeah, I do. You forced me into that. Now I've got to do with this old team. force you into anything. You bet Creighton basketball.

I don't force you into anything. All right. Next up is, let's go to my main man, Bill Belichick, who took his talents to North Carolina. After getting zero NFL interest, Bill is in the early stages of his

college coaching career. Only two spring practices under his belt, but he feels confident and encouraged in how his tar hills have been built. I know we have a good plan. I know we can do the right things to help him play. players improve, help the team improve, put a good product on the field. Everybody that can help us and buys into it and wants to be part of it will be part of it that's here.

And if they don't, and that's, you know, that's a decision. You know, it's starting to put everything together. Here's how we do things. Here's what our expectations are. This is what you need to do to be successful. And they've embraced that. They've tried to do it. He's all draped up in that MJ gear.

Jordan gear. A little jump man action. You know, he looks like a college coach there. He and Petino, they don't want high school players. They want to go transfer portal. And I don't disagree at all. Like, Patino's like, I'm not going to teach you seven. I feel bad for high school seniors.

Like, why would I want an 18, 19 year old when I could get a 22-year-old in the portal? Like, come on, that's a no-brainer. This guy's been in college football forever. I just need to say, once again, as a Jets fan, I did not like Belichick. I didn't like it. I'm loving this North Carolina heel turn. See what I did there? Tar Heels heel?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will tell you this year in college football. So Michigan's going to be way. better. Okay, Michigan is going to be back. Alabama, I think, will be better. Carolina's going to be fascinating. Arch.

Arch Manning at Texas. Believe it or not, USC's going to be interesting. You need to watch out for USC's head coach. Hey, just keep your eye out there. It's going to be a very, some of the bigger brands are back. Michigan was bad last year. Alabama wasn't very good. Texas, I think, will be better

with Arch Manning. Jeremiah Smith at, oh, my God. Ohio State. Honestly, Ohio State's two best players. Jeremiah Smith receiver, Caleb Downs Corner, in my opinion, would go after Cam Ward going number one because quarterback trumps everything. Those guys would go two and three in this year's draft. They would go. Jeremiah Smith would go two.

Caleb Downs is an insane talent in a secondary. Alabama had two, I think, 17-year-olds who were showing out last year. Then you got the Georgia quarterback going to Miami to kind of rejuvenate his career. College football has got a good storylines. Really good. We have Urban Meyer on next week, by the way, on Tuesday, I think. Nice get by you. Where's that day, whoever gets the props there?

Final story, this is interesting. So Steve Kerr has chimed in on the Steph Curry position and the goat discussion. We heard that earlier. But also in that interview, Kerr addressed his future as a head coach. And listen to how long he plans on coaching the Warriors. I think every coaching job has an expiration date. And I think it's important for... you know, all parties involved

to be aware of that. And so there's probably something to that. But I don't spend much time thinking about that. I love what I do. I love this team. I love coaching these guys every day. And I'm just going to keep plugging away with them and see what we can accomplish.

And then we'll worry about all that stuff later. I think that's real smart. Yeah. You know, he is really, if you think about Steve Kerr, this is unbelievable. So he played for the greatest basketball team ever, Jordan's Bulls. Second greatest, but yeah. He was an un, I thought he was a great broadcaster.

Not good, great. I mean, I'll put him up there with any analyst that's ever done it. Goes and becomes a general manager more than capable, if not great, more than capable, and a great coach. You find me a guy that literally his basketball resume rivals, I mean, Phil Jackson, like Kerr, was a good player, and Phil was a great coach. But Phil didn't work at GM and Phil didn't broadcast. He got a lot of rings. But, I mean, who is the comp for Kerr?

Listen, great, I mean, A-plus broadcaster, A-plus coach, on the best basketball team ever. Some of it is, you know, good fortune. He lands next to Michael Jordan in the back court. Like, that's good. He gets the Mark Jackson coaching job and gets Steph Curry ascending to be. become one of the greatest ways. Let me ask it this. Why did he get the, why did the bulls want him? Timing, good fortune. Or maybe they knew Phil Jackson knew super smart kid can play in our. Yeah, I'm not poo-pooing it. I'm just like sometimes it's timing is a lot in life.

It's not, I'm sure there's other great coaches who got shafted by getting stuck with certain players, shall we say. He also, he's also smart. He turned down. Oh, did he turn down the Knicks? Yes. Yeah, that's right. He went to one of his mentors, Phil Jackson, and turned him down to be the coach. Well, at the time, James Dolan had too many tentacles on the team. It was a bad job. So, I mean, and Phil Jackson tried the GM part.

It was, you know, I'm not necessarily saying it's all his fault, but it did not work. He didn't feel like he was really all in. He took a big paycheck. I don't think he cared about it. Phil Jackson went from Michael Jordan's dynasty to Shaq and Kobe. Like, that's part of the reason Phil Jackson were the great coach. But you're not giving Phil credit. I think there's a reason.

By the way, Del Harris was there before. Now, Shaq and Kobe were younger, but Del Harris was there before Phil Jackson. The Kobe Airbowls in the playoffs against the jazz. I remember all of it. You know, the timing thing is a little, it's a little overrated. Timing's a little, you make a lot of your own timing. I mean, Phil Jackson, good player, bad GM, great coach.

Kerr's been good at everything. I mean, everything. I think people forget how good of a broadcast. Yeah, what happens of course? Kerr takes that next job. No, no. What if he takes that next job? He doesn't take the Warriors job.

But here's the thing. He's too smart to take it. So judgment. Yes, he's got remarkable judgment. And Kerr has something that I really like. He's got the ability to be very contentious. He'll go toe to toe at Draymond. He got a fight with Michael Jordan.

Yet he never holds grudges. Everybody holds grudges today. Steve Kerr has gotten into a fist fight with Michael Jordan, and they're still today tight. he's gotten into, I mean, like, really, I know somebody that was outside of a locker room when Draymond and Kerr were barking, and it was hot and doesn't hold grudges. That is a great skill. That's tough to have. You may not forget what happened. You're keenly aware of what could happen again.

He doesn't hold grudges. You hold grudges, right? No, I don't. I'm not. I hold a couple. I have always said. I think it's okay to have a couple grudges. Holding a grudge is chained stanched.

smoking hate. You lose. Go ahead, hold a grudge against me. It's bad for your heart. I'm fine. Where'd you get that a fortune cookie? I'm not from this gigantic thing upstairs. My other take is don't let somebody with no life ruin yours.

Basically, stay off your phone. That's the gibronies online. Yeah, just people tell my kids that. Get off your phone. You have a great life. Don't let somebody with no life ruin it. Just go have fun. Go buy a $12 smoothie in L.A.

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I don't think they're ranked. Are you sure? They dropped out, yeah. I mean, they've been ranked, but then they dropped out recently. Hurley's getting angry increasingly. That's going to be an awesome tournament. I like Marquette. Are they going to make the tournament?

Well, the Big East tournament's going to be awesome. Yeah. So, everybody... They'll make the tournament, yeah. Yeah, I mean, so if Yukon makes the tournament, they'll win games. Multiple? We've got to see the draw. If they're drop back against the SEC second round.

Okay. So I thought Shaq had a bite this week. I really love this. And so, you know, J. Mack hates inside the NBA. I think it's really hurting the league. And I'm like, no, it's the most entertaining show by a mile in the league. And we have to have one NBA show that's critical of players. You know, it can't be a lufus sponge every day, every way, how great the players are.

So I'm okay. I like those guys. I know Barclay a little. I don't know Ernie. I know Kenny a little. I don't know Shaq. But I like those guys. So Shaq said this about Curry earlier this week, Steph Curry.

I demand you fans to start putting Steph Curry in that greatest of all-time conversation. Just start putting them in a conversation. So with the conversation of Jordan, Robbins, Kobe, and Brian, start putting stuff in that conversation. I demand it. Why does the Big Man Alliance need to say something? Because I'm the Supreme Leader and my voice counts. And I'm saying, listen, I played against Mike, played with Kobe,

we played against and with LeBron. They're all great. But at some point, we're going to have to put Steph Curry in that category. So in the all-time starting five in the history of the NBA, there have been three people that are etched in stone. Nobody's arguing Michael's the two-guard. Nobody's arguing. Kareem's the center.

Folks, he had the impossible, the most unstoppable shot in league history, led the NBA in scoring most of my adult. life. And then LeBron James, put him at three, four, I don't care. LeBron's on the team. I always thought Magic Johnson was also etched in stone, but Curry is aging so well

that we have a crane and a scaffolding. We have sent them to Mount Rushmore, and we are seriously considering we are considering moving Magic Johnson. And I think that's the ultimate compliment is that you've got to consider

Steph Curry. And to Jay point, there are certain people, like I think Jim Brown, who was a great running back in whatever era it was, I think Jim Brown could play in the NFL today. Like, there are people, Hank Aaron could play in any, Hank could hit for some average, some power. I think Jim Brown could play in any era. I think Wilt could play in any era. There are some great players, I don't think age quite as well. Like, Magic would obviously be great, but he was a bad defender and he can't shoot and it's a shooter's league. And because of the spacing now, he'd be on an

island defensively a lot, which is okay for Luca because you'll get 34 on the other end. But I don't think magic would be, and it just, I just don't, I think magic would be great. I don't think he feels, now Larry Bird to me would age very well because he'd shoot more threes and

he's a six, nine and a half guy who was an unbelievable passer and shooter. And he was great in his era, but I do think Bird fits this style a little better than magic. Steph Curry, I mean,

isn't he 37 this week? He's 37 this week. And it's funny, when anybody compares what a star is, go look at the Warriors when Steph's not on the floor. It's just not the same franchise. I mean, I would make this argument

that Steph Curry is not only the most revolutionary player ever in basketball. if you took every single sport in America, every single sports league in America, nobody has been more singularly valuable to his franchise's worth. The Dallas Cowboys were worth a fortune when Troy Aitman was the quarterback, Dak is the quarterback, the Knicks were worth a lot of money when Earl Monroe and Willis

Reed and Walt Frazier were there, they were worth a lot of money when Pat Riley coached. still a top five most valuable franchise. Lakers mattered when Kareem was there, Wilt was there, the late Jerry West was there, the Lakers have always had massive value. The Golden State Warriors were a dead franchise. And in a recent, I'm sorry, the website escapes me, FOS, I think, is what it is, front office sports, I think. Maybe it was Sportico, I apologize, it was one of those two, that they named the most valuable sports franchises in America, I think the Warriors are like two. That is all Steph Curry. That is all Steph Curry.

So I think there's, I mean, that is just insane. You could take Magic Johnson out in the history of the Lakers. They'd be worth a lot of money. Kobe, Shaq, Kareem West, they had the logo. It's the Lakers. It had been good forever. But I like that Curry's getting his just desserts. Here's something else. So yesterday I briefly mentioned this. I have to watch out old Mr. Sensitive here gets his feels on whenever I mentioned the Brock Purdy contract. So there's a story he's going to get Niners offered him $45 million. That's about what he's worth. I mean, it's amazing to me. Though, I mean, like Sam Darnold has no market. Everybody's like 33 for Darnold, but give Jamar Chase 40 million. He's a receiver. What are we doing here? But Brock Pertie yesterday, I said,

my problem paying a quarterback top of the market is you can't struggle against the good teams and you can't have to have a completely full and healthy roster for you to win games. They won six games last year. What do you want me to say about Brock Purdy? They call those KPIs in business and his KPIs aren't very good. The key indicators aren't very good. But just for a comp on this, because you can make the argument. Well, I mean, what quarterback's good against playoff teams?

So Purdy, one in six last year against playoff teams. Okay. Lamar Jackson, the last two years, he gets nothing but hate against playoff teams. Dude has a 115 passer rating, 38 TDs, eight picks, and for the record. The playoff teams, I would argue, the last two years in the AFC, are much better than the playoff teams Brock Purdy faces in the NFC.

So I'll pay Lamar Jackson whatever the market dictates. And Burrow and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Brock Purdy, it is circumstantial. His success

has been circumstantial. Situational. Bad team. Often at home. Everybody's healthy. Weather's ideal. If it gets overcast and drizzly, and I think about you'll be less of a quarterback. I said this about

Tua. When Tua's playing, my question is, what month is it and what's the weather? I cannot pay atop of the market if I'm asking about weather. I'm not asking about weather with Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. So, it's

just, you know, next time you bang on Lamar Jackson, his record against playoff teams is better than 90% of the league's quarterbacks against non-playoff teams. Okay, all right.

Okay. So what's the line about stats? Stats are like a bikini. They show you a lot, but they don't show you everything. Yeah. Interesting that we see Brock Purdy's stats from last season when, oh, by the way, everybody was hurt. Interesting that we don't have the stats from 2022 and 23 when Purdy led them deep into the playoffs. I would like to see those numbers against playoff teams.

He was excellent. Yes, look at that. In his career as a starter. Look, up to 500 versus playoff teams in three years as a starter. First three years in the league. That's much better than the one in five crap and 27 touchdowns, 12 picks. So maybe the defense is to blame. Kyle, I know you don't love Purdy.

I'm not saying you're a hater, but this idea that, like, they're going to be fine without him. Kyle Shanahan's one of the smartest offensive minds in the league. Would you agree? Oh, yeah. He will not let Brock Purdy go. That should tell you something. Kevin O'Connell's like, eh, Sam Donald, we lose him, we'd like to have him back. The Niners refused to let go of Brockford.

No, but let's, let's again, George Kittle was the number one rated at tight end. Joanne Jennings was a top 13 receiver. Trent Williams played for about three quarters of the season. Let's not act like Debo was available. They had plenty of weapons. Christian McCaffrey obviously hurts. But this idea that he lost everybody,

he lost Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey. And I, Uke's number one, according to you. They were now like their fourth string running back. Like, again, we've got multiple years of, look at that smirk on his face. We've got multiple years of data on Purdy being great. We have one down season here. I think we need to pump the break. Now you got me back on the Niners train.

I was ready to call them old like an hour ago. Well, they do. I think what the Niners have, which is really good, is that they've done a good job compensatory picks. They have 12 draft picks. Now, it's not a great. Yeah, so it's not a great draft, but they've got like, I think, multiple threes, multiple fours. So San Francisco, if they hit on half of their draft picks and the analytics tell you, you hit on a about 51% of your draft picks.

If they hit on six of their draft picks, they need a corner, they need to write tackle. Can they get four new starters in the draft out of 12? That's 25%. They can get three new starters, but they can also get about four guys that play significant roles. 33%. Yeah. I mean, the rules always been in the NFL. Can you get three starters?

If you do it, it's a good draft. If you can get three starters, it is a good. I mean, last year, Joel for the Chargers, Ladd-McConkey, by the way, I think, I could be wrong on this, but they got two corners in the fifth round for the Chargers both played. Starting, yeah. Like, that's a great draft. If you're getting guys in the fifth that are in the rotation and playing and maybe a year away from being productive starters,

that is an unbelievable draft. Yeah. Remember, they had lost McGlinchy their right tackle to the Broncos, a little bit of a sag. If we could go back to the cheese for a second, Colin, I'm very curious what happened with Tuny. He was all pro. He was on your list of top ten players in the Super Bowl.

And they just moved off. Now, they franchise tag Trey Smith. The guard. And they have the best center in the game. Creed Humphrey. So I think their take is, you know, we have the best center. Trey Smith, we're franchised. We can't pay our three interior linemen all big money.

So you just have to cross your fingers. It could tell you what it could. But he excelled at left tackle when he was installed except in the Super Bowl. I would say it would tell you that they're going to draft two offensive linemen. Because they have, remember, they think worthy and Rishi Rice now, they got their wide receivers, finally three years now. Finally, they have their wide receiver set. I think they're going to go heavy O-line in the draft.

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