The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NFL Over - Unders

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Colin shares his pre-draft NFL Over - Unders and why he thinks the Cowboys are overvalued entering the 2025 season Live from the Owners Meetings, Albert Breer joins The Herd to talk about the new rule changes, the NFL draft, a surprising story on Shedeur Sanders and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Yep, coming this summer, the Club World Cup before the World Cup a year out. So great to have the FIFA President on. By the way, the U.S. will have two teams, Seattle Sounders, and Miami will both be in. Those will be the two teams, and then 32 other teams or 30 other teams involved in the Club World Cup winner. A billion dollars in purses up, a billion dollars. So it's like a pre-World Cup with the world's best club teams, all the best players. Mbapapé will be here.

Messi, Harry, Kane, all the best players in the world will be here. So it's going to be a pre-World Cup, and there's clear evidence that any time a World Cup is in the United States, massive popularity swings in merchandising and fandom happen. You know, listen, I can't take full credit, but I do like, I know you like soccer and college basketball, but Colin, you have to admit, you're starting to nudge a little more in the direction of those sports

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Spend an afternoon marveling at the airport. Okay. Okay, so we're going to go to the NFL, you know, winter meetings here pretty quick. But the over and unders are now, with all the betting companies are coming out. You know, Vegas over unders. So these numbers are, how many games do you think a team can win? And, you know, as you know, they always come in half, seven and a half, eight and a half, and you as a consumer, bet the under or bet the over.

Now, most fans bet the over, they're optimistic. I tend to find unders, but I found three unders and three overs that are interesting. So let's go to the conferences first. The one that jumps out to me, let's start in the AFC for our radio audience, Bill's 11.5, Dolphins 8 and a half, Jets, 5 and a half. The Patriots at 7.5 to me feels like an over. Massive upgrade on coaching staff. Also, they were 3 and 6 in one score games with a rookie quarterback. So there's going to be an ascension. They're going to be a better one score game team. They spent almost 200 million in free agency. I would bet the over on the Patriots.

Let's go to the Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Browns. Nothing jumps out to me. Ravens 11.5. Bengals, nine and a half, Steelers, eight and a half, Browns, five and a half. Nothing seems underwhelming or overwhelming. The next division, projected win totals, AFC South.

This is one of my favorite overs. So the Texans at nine and a half, Colts Jags, seven and a half wins, the Titans at five and a half, bet the over. Brian Callahan, listen, he was so frustrated, Will Levis arguably gave three wins away

last year. So Cam Ward, there's just not going to be, nobody's going to quite know what to do until he has an off-season. Remember C.J. Stroud came in, and it kind of feels like everybody's kind of waiting for C.J. Stroud to fall apart, and he didn't.

So I think Cam Ward, the upgrade, Cam Ward to Will Levis, is going to get you to seven or eight or nine wins in this division. Just a very weak AFC South. Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Raiders. I think Kansas City under 11.5 is one of my favorite bets. Broncos 9 and a half, Chargers 9 and a half, Raiders, 6 and a half.

I'd probably go over chargers, but the under on Kansas City, remember, they were 11 and 0 in one score games. Like recovering fumbles, regression is coming, even if they go 8 and 3. Nobody goes 11 and 0 in one score games. Also, they're still trying to figure out their offensive line. Joe Tooney left, their best offensive linemen. And they don't, you know, they're using somebody's backup at left tackle. They're an injury away in the O line from being a complete mess. They're also getting older in key spots.

Now we go to the NFC. I have an over and under bet in the same division. So Eagles 11.5, that's about right. I'm going to take the over on the commanders and the under on the Cowboys. So listen, Jaden Daniels is the real deal. I just talked to somebody a friend who was at an event Jaden Daniels was at in the last couple of weeks. The kid's unbelievable. They spent money, the coaching, nine and a half.

I mean, they're going to go 2 and 0 against the Cowboys and 2 against the Giants. So I think the commanders is, I mean, 10 and 7 with the Lamar Jackson of the NFC at quarterback, shock anybody. Also, the Cowboys, I would bet the under. They want, I don't think anybody's quite embracing. Brian Schottenheimer, to me, had struggled to remain at the same place as a coordinator. I think they went cheap. They also got to pay Micah. Again, this is a team that's a seedy lamb sprained ankle from, you know, being fairly weaponless.

I would take the under. Now we go, nothing jumps out to me at the NFC North, Lions 10 and a half, Packers 9 and a half, Bears 8 and a half, Vikings 8 and a half, nothing jumps out to me. Everybody wants to bet the Bears and the over, be careful. Nothing really jumps out to me in the NFC South. Bucks should win best roster. Falcons may be a little underserved, but I refuse to bet the Falcons on anything I've lost a fortune over the years. Panther Saints, both six and a half wins. Now, there are two surprises to me in the NFC West.

I would take the under on the Niners, 10 and a half. They are getting old in key spots. You got Christian McCaffrey coming off an injury, and then Brandon Ayuk coming off an injury. They have 12 draft picks. That is a lot of young players. Rookies don't flourish generally except key positions in the NFL. Also, they lost Greenlaw and Hufunga.

They wanted to keep both. Those are leaders, great instinctive players, so we haven't loved their defense, the last couple of years and when Bosa gets hurt, it's a bad defense. So, and he's getting older. I would bet the under on the Niners at 10 and a half. I would bet the over on the Rams at 9.5. They need a corner outside of that. They are set. They're getting better. The defense got better. Thanksgiving on. So the Rams, I would take the over. So my over and under bets, I would take the commanders over 9 and a half, the Patriots, over 7 and a half of the Titans,

over five and a half. My unders are the chiefs under 11.5. The Ram, the Niners under 10 and a half. The Cowboys under seven and a half. I also think the Rams can hit the over. I think the Rams can hit the over. McVeigh, Stafford, Devonte Adams. They cannot be as physically immobile as they were last year

when the offensive line fell apart. That's not going to happen again. They'll have more depth. They're going to draft a tackle early in this draft. So, J-Mac, anything, jump out to you? Too much, actually. I know we have a guest coming up. We definitely need to revisit this.

I've got some beef with some stuff you're saying. The one thing that really jumped out, so I see Titans 5.5, totally agree. But did I see the Jets and the Giants are also 5.5? Meaning those are the three worst teams in the league? Oh, my gosh. I didn't know the Jets had fallen that far. Five and a half win total?

It's bleak. Yeah. I mean, New York football's bleak. terrible. Albert Breer joining us live. Here we go from Palm Beach. Not a bad place to join us live from. Okay.

At the NFL owner meetings. Okay, let's get, so I've always had a theory on overtime. You want it to be quick. I don't want my defense on the field for another 14 plays. So the NFL has said, okay, both teams now get the ball once. It's going to be 10 minutes. My question is, what if a team gets it to the 9 minute, 58 second drive and scores?

what do you do then? I mean, your takeaway and the new NFL owner change in overtime? Well, I think there are a couple of factors there. Of course, it won't affect, you know, play the playoffs because the playoffs they'll play until they have a winner and a loser. And, you know, I think during the regular season,

there's the broadcast partners, which I think like to keep these games as close to the window they're prescribed to be in as they can. You know, and then I think there's the element of adding more place the game and that's a health and safety thing, you know, and that was part of the argument against this sort of thing years ago was that they didn't want to put that much more damage on players. So I think this is a fair compromise, and it does add that element of strategy to it.

You know, I think one thing if you look back, like Bill Belichick always wanted a timed period, right? And the reason he wanted the time period is because he wanted the clock to be part of the overtime. I think in doing this, you are making the clock part of the overtime, you know? So, you know, I think from a viewership standpoint, 15 might be better because you're getting the full quarter. But, you know, I think when you go to 10 minutes, you're making the clock even a bigger factor. And I think that could add, like, an interesting element of strategy and how teams approach it. I mean, if you're the receiving team, don't you almost automatically go into the four-minute offense? I think that's what we're going to be looking at.

Okay, touch push. Packers are very anti-tush push. It's been tabled, meaning they'll do it in mid-May and figure out at the mid-May meetings. What is Green Bay and Matt LaFleurr's primary objection to the tush push? They don't think it's a football play. And, you know, one thing that was interesting to come from the room now, you know, a couple days ago when they first met on this, you know, Jim Harbaugh and Mike Brable brought up some of the polls

in the way the rule is written. Can you, I mean, the most Harbaugh thing ever, can you put two extra guards on the field? and line them up behind the guards and push the guards because you're not pushing behind the center. Vrabel asks the same thing, can you take the quarterback and move him behind the guard and then push him behind the guard? So there are some holes in how the rule was written. Howie Roseman was passionate about this in the room and saying that there's no injury data that says it's more dangerous. The league comes back and says, well, actually, we think based on the posture of the player,

that this could lead to major head and spine injuries. It hasn't yet, but that certainly is a concern. So, you know, you put all this in, and I think, you know, now, how do you rewrite it? And one thing that happened inside the room today earlier this morning was, you know, Rich McKay, the chair of the competition committee, said, why don't we go back to the 2004 rule or at least look at that rule and how it was written and maybe we adopt that. So I think somewhere around 20 teams were in favor of looking at that rule as potentially something. It could be the framework as something they both. on in May. And it's interesting, Colin, like, when they took the rule out 20 years ago,

the reason they took the rule out was because what was happening downfield, and you'll remember this, is there were guys getting pushed into the end zone downfield, and when they flag it, it was hard to tell if you had a scrum downfield, whether or not, you know, an offensive player coming in was trying to block the defensive player or push his teammate across the line. So is that less of a concern now? Is there a way to address that and how to you write the rule. I think it was just there were too many things on the table and too many concerns to pass it now, but the fact that they're

tabling it until May shows the league as a real desire to get something done before the season. I just saw a headline this morning. Steelers are very comfortable with Mason Rudolph as their starter, and I thought, oh boy, if I was a Steeler fan, that's pretty discouraging. So I have made the argument with Aaron Rogers

that he ideally wanted Minnesota, knew the division, loved the coach, love Justin Jefferson, and that I think deep down he knows Pittsburgh can't get the O' line right, it's a defensive culture he's done the east coast he'd probably like to drift back to the west and my guess is i don't think he's stalling or being obnoxious i don't think deep down he wants to go to pittsburgh but i do think he loves football and wants to play and was pretty good last year what is your vibe on what you're hearing about erin rogers yeah so my vibe would be a i i think you're

absolutely right that he doesn't want to go out the way that he went out last year i i know he you know and coming back from the Achilles, like, wanted to really appreciate the sport and, you know, rediscover his love for the game. And despite how hard everything was last year on the Jets, like, I think he did do that to a certain degree. So I think he does want to play. And I think, you know, if you're in his spot, you say, okay, I got one year left. You're looking for the perfect place. The perfect place would have been Minnesota. Minnesota wants to get a longer look at J.J. McCarthy. And again, we've been over this before, Colin. Like, if they bring in Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones,

like that's much different than bringing in Aaron Rogers, where if you bring in Aaron Rogers, you are just jamming on the pause button on the J.J. McCarthy era at best. And how do you figure that's going to affect this development? There are a lot of things that go into that. You know, and so I think now it's sort of going through the situation with the Steelers. I think one thing the Steelers have going for them. The unoffensive line's gotten better.

they also have peers of his on his team that are going to be operating with the same level of urgency, veteran players, guys like T.J. Watt, who will be 31, Nick of Fitzpatrick, who will be 29. Cam Hayward, who I believe is going into his 14th years in NFL player. D.K. Metcast now on his third contract. This is jumping on a moving train.

This is not a team that needs to be lifted up. They've been in the playoffs. They need somebody to come help and take him over the top. So ultimately, I think he does wind up there. But I think you're right when you say, This isn't the perfect situation. It's a really good one, and I think that's what he's considering right now. Okay, is at West Palm Beach.

Looks like the breakers, if I may guess. Yeah, pretty good place. And I don't normally wear sunglasses. I think it's kind of dushy to wear sunglasses on the air, but it is so bright out here, and I'm not saying that to make anybody back home jealous, but it is so bright out here that actually hurt my eyes to be sitting. No, that's okay. So let's wrap it up with this.

We've got Cleveland's owners saying, yep, swinging a miss on to Sean. We've got the Giants getting Russell Wilson and James Winston. There's a lot of move, and we're all trying to play like Inspector Clouseau and figure out with the clues what's going to happen. Who's going to pick a quarterback? And then there's other reports on mock draft people that, oh, Shadoor's dropping out. Well, we know Cam's going one. The Giants and the Browns, do you believe Shadour Sanders goes to either Cleveland or the New York Giants? If you put a gun to my head today, I would.

would say Abdul Carter at two to Cleveland, Travis Hunter at three, to the Giants. I think the Giants have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like the idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for the next 10 years, but you get it, you're taking a shot at it. Might work better for them. I think Cleveland could take a similar approach here. And maybe working out a trade for Kirk Cousins the Friday after the draft. And it's an interesting thing here. So Jimmy Haslam, J.W. Johnson, and Andrew Berry had dinner on Thursday night in State College, Pennsylvania with Abdul Carter.

Kevin Siffansky wasn't there. Kevin Siffansky was actually in Oxford, Mississippi for Jackson Darts Pro Day. And the fact that they would take their head coach and put him there in Mississippi, rather than sitting down with Carter, tells me they're at least thinking about the idea of taking Carter or two and either sitting there at 33 and Drake and taking one there or maybe moving into the bottom of the first round and taking one at that point. And I think if you do that, then Cousins comes into play because of the relationship between Cepansky and Cousins.

So I think there are a lot of moving pieces with both those teams. My guess right now would be that neither of them takes Chador and then it becomes anywhere's guess where Chador goes. Because like I said to you last week, he's sort of like Bow Knicks to me. Like this year's version of Bow Nix where last year or very few teams that had Bow Nix as a first round pick, he had to find a fit. And he obviously found that in Denver. No one cares or anybody had them anymore because he played great for the Broncos.

I think that's Shador this year, where a lot of teams don't look at him in as a first round talent, and he's going to have to find a fit. Wow, that is really, really. And then you get down to the Raiders where they've got Gino, who, by the way, on play action passing, because I think they're going to take Gentie. And the reason I think that is Pete Carroll's best years were with Reggie Bush at SC and Marshaun Lynch in Seattle. And they need a run running back, and this is a star running back.

And also, Gino on play action passes is like his passer rating is 106 since he's been in Seattle. So he's not a guy that's going to play from behind and sling it 45 times. So that is really interesting on Shadur. So what you're basically saying is the draft guys think there's not a big gap between Shadur and Kyle McCord and Jackson Darden, Jalen Millroll. So what's the point of tying yourself to a guy, right? Is that what you're saying? I think it's, I think I would say this, I think for most of the people I've talked to, and I still have a ton of phone calls to make over the next three or four weeks. But I think the consensus that I'm getting from people who evaluate this stuff for a living is that Cam Ward,

There's a bigger separation talent-wise between Cam Ward and Shador Sanders than there is between Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart. Again, that does not mean Shador Sanders can't go top 10. It's because there could be a team that sees him as the perfect fit. And if you see him as a long-term answer quarterback, you swallow hard and take him. Same way the Broncos did at 12 last year of Bo Nix, even though if the Broncos didn't take him a 12, he may have slipped out of the first round all together. But yeah, I think Shadour is closer to the pack. If that's what you're asking for him.

He's closer to the pack than he is to Cam Ward. From a talent perspective, when you talk to all these NFL people. Wow. I kind of look to, I like the sunglasses. I can be honest with you. It makes you look more mysterious and like you have better information. You're hiding something from us. I like it.

Better information with the sunglasses on. I don't know. There's something when you get those shades. You got like a detective look to you. You're out there behind bushes trying to get scoops from NFL owners. I like the look, my man. All right. Maybe I'll maybe I'll try it again next.

week we'll see okay albert bird good seeing you buddy that's really that's really interesting basically cams the star and shader's more middle of the path he's he's in the mill row uh kyle mccord uh jackson dart class so it's like you know if you take a quarterback first round you got a plan if you take a quarterback in the second round you can sit him nobody's going to complain for two or three years i had totally forgotten what he said about bo knicks how the bo necks wasn't loved by a lot of teams you just need one team to love him but here's the thing bo necks was pretty damn good as a rookie, they got to the playoffs. Their win total you just flashed was nine and a half.

This idea that people are passing on Shador because he may not be a good fit, I'm stunned. I'm flabbergastry. You know, it's interesting. It was a very good quarterback draft class last year. Bo Nix was like, but people thought he had a lower ceiling. Now, Sean loved him.

That's the Jalen Millroll thing. I hear Pittsburgh and the Jets both really like Jalen. Milrow. Now, with the Jets, this is a gut feeling. So the Jets are like, we're not going to take Jalen Milro. Not at 7. No. Aaron Glenn's like, I just came from a stacked

roster. We have a good roster here. Jets at 7 go, we'll trade down. Somebody will trade up. And all of a sudden, you get down to 12, and you get an extra second or a third round pick. Then you're like, okay, we could do, and then you

again, you let the, you answer the phone. Don't, I'm dead serious on this. When you get a new coach in, like a Vrable or an Aaron Glenn, a lot of those guys, they want their own players. They want more draft picks. They want their own coach. They want their privately, I mean, Aaron Glenn said to Aaron Rogers, not interested. By the way, like you said, they just fired, what, 150 people in the building?

No, Aaron Glenn, new coaches generally want their guys. take out the trash, as they like to say. Yeah, so I could see the Jets trading down. And if they trade down, I mean, even going down to a 13-14, then you take Milro and it's like you can argue it's a little hot. You're not taking him at seven. Right. I'm pro Milro.

Again, I know the tape's not great. I just want to know, because I think Clat's coming on later, right? I think I saw that. Most of the season, we said Chador is going to be one or two in the draft. Yes. And now all of a sudden he's dropping like a rock. Colin, something's not adding up here. Is he not interviewing well?

Something's got to be going on. Like Caleb Williams, there were some moments people questioned maturity. He's a 21-year-old kid in front of them. I know. We never questioned that with Jaden Daniels or Bo Nix, and we never saw it in the NFL. So there was a little question about Caleb. There's a little question. We don't see it with Milro.

So, you know, like with Milro, you don't see any immaturity. Bo Nix, Michael Panix. You saw a little with Caleb. I defended him. And you see a little with Shador. The difference is Caleb is a much better athlete than Shadur Sanders. It's not close. So what people may be saying is he doesn't blow you away as an athlete,

and he got some of the Caleb maturity stuff we worry a little bit about. Well, I mean, do you think he's not as good of an athlete as Bo Nix? I'm going to tell you something right now. I know Bo Nix has some wheels. No, Bo Nix. Bo Nix is way more mobile than anyone he wants to acknowledge. He needs to start running a 40. He needs to do some activity.

I need to see something. I haven't seen anything from him in months, right, since the end of the season? I feel bad for the kid a little bit, but he's, you know. Yeah, I mean, people are saying he doesn't blow you away physically, and then you throw in some stuff where you're like, a couple times I don't love some of the things he did. Now, I defended Caleb on it when he jumped into the stands or he painted his fingernails.

I did have an executive in the NFL say they hated the fingernail thing. Thought it was really juvenile and really stupid. Whatever, but that stuff matters. That's like me saying, I hate your hat backwards take, man. I just, I can't do it. I count when I can't. The rest of the country, love it. It's all I know.

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so the Dodgers won again last night. They're now 6 and 0. So, you know, I've said this before. When you live in the Northeast, you know, people, you know, think baseball begins with Yankees, Red Sox, Mets. People have no understanding, really, when they're out east, quite how big the Dodgers are. I mean, the Dodgers average 48,000 per night.

Fenway Park in Boston only seats 37,000. So, I mean, they're averaging potentially 11,000 more per game. And Dodgers Stadium's the third. third oldest. And I'm telling you this, what's impressive, they average 7,000 more per game than the Yankees, and Dodger Stadium on being diplomatic is hard to get into. I'm getting anxiety thinking of it. I go to therapy the day before I go. Like it is, it tests, you better have patience. And it's a beautiful stadium. It is the food, the views, the weather, the people, they're well behaved. It is a remarkable baseball palace. It is stunning. But it's hard to get it out of.

and they're averaging 7,000 more than the Yankees. And they have a pipeline right now to Japan. They defer the payments. There are miles ahead on R&D. I mean, they don't bring anybody up that doesn't work from the miners. Like, everybody works. They make very few mistakes. They've led baseball to attendance 15 straight years.

They are just a complete revenue monster. This was always a Laker town, and now it's a Dodger town. I mean, you don't have to be from here. it is a Dodger. To everywhere you go in town, it's Dodger hats. It's unbelievable. And it's just when I look at fanatics and who is selling, Dodger players all through that thing.

And, you know, nobody ever had a problem when the Yankees dominated and the Red Sox dominated, Hot Stove League. I can remember being at the other place and everybody celebrated it. Now everybody's freaked out. And I think the Dodgers have separated from the sport, top to bottom. And they also were in an event culture now. Dodger games feel like an event because they have superstars.

So in Yankee games used to feel like that a little bit when they had Jeter and A-Rodd. They felt a little bit like even a Tuesday game felt a little special like a big event. LeBron Luca can feel that. Dodger games feel like an event. And that's hard to do in baseball. There's a lot of games.

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Sean McVeigh said the tush push doesn't look like football. Matt LaFleur said it's a rugby play. Are you seeing where we're going with this? Demico Ryan said he doesn't like punishing a team for being good at something. Aaron Glenn said his job is to stop the play. The legality of the play was supposed to be voted on today, but the vote has been pushed to May. Not sure what that means.

I don't love it. You don't love what? The tourist sports are banning? It's more rugby than football to me. I don't like it. And I think the NFL changed the kickoff. They changed the PAT. It feels too automatic. I don't, listen, Joe Madden invented a defensive shift. And baseball eventually said, congrats on the innovation, but we're eliminating it because we don't think it's good television. It's not good for math. So you think the Tirstsports is not good TV?

No, I think it's bad. And I think if you're using it six or seven, I don't think it's good TV. I think it's, and again, people have invented stuff in sports. and then the governance has stepped in. It's just like tax accountants find loopholes, and then the government steps in and goes, okay, you had it for six years. We're closing a loophole. We've got a new administration.

So we have regulations added. Regulations taken away. We do this all the time in all of our businesses. I don't think the tush push feels like a creative football play. So you like dynasties in sports, right? I like big brands, big games, big stars. What do they do? When they dominate?

You like them dominate. The tush push is utterly dominant. It is unstoppable. I'm tuning. The Eagles have hacked things so well that, hey, we just need to get like to third and two, and then we can get the first down in two plays. That, to me, is smart football, and it's dominant and nobody can stop it. Well, defensive shift was smart baseball.

But that made it boring. I don't think the push is boring. Is it restricting offense? I think it's pretty boring. I would rather see Andy Reed and a third and two do something clever than a leg press by the Eagles. A leg press. Well, anyways, we'll see what happened. in May. Next up is the 49ers who you for some reason don't like the season. Interesting.

We're waiting for the Brock Purdy contract. John Lynch said he's optimistic. There will be no drama saying Brock wants to be with us. We want Brock to be with us. When that's the case, these things get done. Hopefully it happens really soon this offseason. Now they had a protracted issue last year with Brandon Ayuk that was very ugly and I'm sure they regret it. They're trying not to make that happen with Purdy. I can't even understand what the holdup could be. I think, you know, we always talk about what's the most interesting team. Bears last year, then they weren't by Thanksgiving.

I think the Niners are really, really interesting. A lot of older players. I mean, they wanted to keep Greenlaw and Hufunga. They, like, that hurt. They wanted to keep those guys. I mean, they went and met with Greenlaw and, like, tried to talk him into staying, but he's a Bronco now. And so they had some defense.

And remember, Bosa gets hurt from time to time. When he's out of that defense, no Greenlaw, no Bosa, no who funga, it's not the same defense. What about the offense? Who's stopping that Kyle Shanahan offense? I don't know. Plenty of teams did last year. Well, when no McCaffrey, no IU. Well, and it's overcast.

Ricky Pearson, stop with the weather and purdy. Now Ricky Pearson undering year two, there is chatter that the Niners could go Tyler Warren, go more two tight-end-end sets, shake up the offense a little bit from Shanahan who's been running. Even though we don't have a lot of superstars in the first 12 picks, there are some players. Like, I mean, again, if you put a pass rusher on the other side of Bosa, you're like, oh, that's an upgrade. I mean, there are some clear upgrades. Travis Hunter to the Patriots, it's like, oh, they got some speed on the perimeter.

Like, that's a real, that could change the outcome of a close game or two. Rear made it sound like he's not getting by the Giants, which, and I was just texting somebody about Chador Sanders. I don't know, God. I'm just absolutely. The senior on the Shadour has to be a top 7-8 pick. I thought he was automatically going too. I just don't see it, but, you know, we've got some time to chew on that.

Final story, Colin, a few weeks ago we heard reports that the Vikings were interested in Aaron Rogers, even though they have McCarthy on the roster. Kevin O'Connell addressed those reports saying Rogers was at a point in his career where he was free to have a real dialogue about his future. The Vikings head coach was sure to add he feels very strongly, J.J. McCarthy is ready to go to work. and make a positive impact. I don't know why the Vikings

keep talking about Aaron Rogers. It cannot be good for J.J. McCarthy's mental health. I think a lot of it's tied to his rehab. He had that second surgery in like November. I think a lot of it's tied to that. It's March now, buddy. It's been like six months. Well, it's maybe they're a little...

He's got to be your guy. Imagine if, you know, I'm your guy. You like me. You're just hyping out someone else in the media who wants my spot. How would I feel? That's why I'm on the phone all after. No.

Interesting. And then you know, you ghost me when I talked to you about the Rockets Lakers last night. Interesting. Okay. I guess I got to look out. Dude, I called you twice this weekend and you're at some... I was coaching, you know, I got some stuff going on. Well, catch up too.

The wife's in town. You want to get together? My wife's in town. Yeah. She, yeah, she's in town for a reason I'm not going to talk about. She got business to do. Oh. Business.

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they just kind of are out of step with the culture. I thought as the three ball got big in the NBA, I thought the Lakers were a little late to the three ball. Some teams were, and I've said, I think Jerry Jones is, becoming the old Al Davis, where they're missing on too many draft picks, overpaying for people, real top heavy as a franchise. I saw this quote, the Steelers are getting comfortable with Mason Rudolph. Good kid, been there before, but in his career, 28 touchdowns, 20 picks, not real mobile.

Wow. This is a very insular franchise that did not go out of the building when they look for a GM. So it's the same old ideas and the same old. old insular thinking, four straight year. They'll spend the most money on defense. Four straight year, they will be near the bottom of offense. So that's who they are. Mike Tomlin seems to be, you know, okay with Mason Rudolph if he's the guy.

That's why we brought him back. I'm comfortable with that, man. We've been there before. He's a very capable guy. Mason's not a kid, man. He's been around. He's been in multiple systems and situations. And so I don't expect that to be a significant hurdle.

He's a good football guy. He's a good teammate. you know and that's one of the you know informal responsibilities of the job if you will to connect with your teammates and lead in a lot of instances and all of that is a really comfortable natural act for him again he is a substantially predictable and dependable backup

in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and in a conference with Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert and C.J. Stroud, and you get the point. It's just the time of the year right now is the time that everybody, all NFL fan bases, are embracing Hope, and the Steelers are embracing Mason Rudolph. And this goes back to what I've said about defensive coaches. They have no urgency on fixing the O line or quarterbacks. So the Steelers need to adjust for quarterback inflation. The price has gone up to be great at quarterback. And I've said it before, even if Aaron Rogers, chooses them, I'll give them one more win, is I don't like the O line. I think they have two receivers that will want the ball. They lost their best back. And it's funny, when you think about offense and the NFL, close your eyes, and you can think about the Niners and Rams, and you can think about, you see creative,

and you think Kansas City, close your eyes, and you see innovation, and you see Philadelphia, close your eyes offense, and you think physicality, tush, push, run game. you close your eyes on the Steelers offense, there's nothing there. There is absolutely nothing there. And they don't have any identity. And so, again, we've said this before. It's okay to inherit a quarterback out of their prime, but they can't be a life preserver.

And Aaron Rogers, to me, feels like a water bottle with a house fire. Like, offensively, there's just nothing there. There's no identity. Naji Harris said it. There's no culture. you can bring Brady to Bruce Ariens, a great GM, and excellent receivers bring Gronk. That's not a life preserver. They were a 500 team with all sorts of talent.

Stafford of the Rams was not a life preserver. But Russell to Denver was Aaron to the Jets, that's a Hail Mary. And that's what Aaron is here. Like that, hey, you can solve our offense. We're going to pay D.K. Metcalfa fortune and get 41-year-old Aaron Rogers. So that just doesn't It just doesn't play for me. Okay, now I did top of the hour.

I did NFL future bets. They're now being unveiled with different sports companies, right? And I had three overs, three unders. I think most of them are pretty easy. I tend to think, you know, I tend to think the commanders over nine and a half wins, Rams over nine and a half.

They had major offensive. line in wide receiver injuries in September and October. That's not going to happen again. Patriots over seven and a half. Titans with Cam Ward over five and a half. That's probably my favorite bet. Titans over five and a half is probably my favorite. I think the Chiefs under 11 and a half, Niners under 10 and a half, Cowboys under 7 and a half.

Chiefs were 11 and O in one possession games. That doesn't happen. Even if they went eight and three, they'd finish with 10 or 11 wins. and I also think the division's getting much, much better. J. Mack challenged me. All right, let's start with the 49ers. So I had to look this up. Kyle Shanahan, you remove his first year in San Fran, right?

He just got there, then they got Garoppolo midseason. The only seasons, they haven't won 10 or more games. Garapolo got hurt in 2018. 2020, they had injuries after the Super Bowl. And then last year where they had injuries to McCaffrey, Iuk, and like everybody. every other year where people have been healthy 13 and 3, 10 and 7, 13 and 4, 12 and 5. That argument, remember, you said, well, if you take out the first year,

well, McVe won first year in L.A., so let's not do that. Well, he inherited a first round number one overall pick a quarterback. The Niners were a dumpster fire when Shannahan got that. Well, the Rams were a dumpster fire with Jeff Fisher. So let's not take out the first year. What you're telling me is every other year he has a losing record. No, no, he's got, I mean, the injuries to quarterbacks matter. Jimmy Garoppel goes down like week four.

Brock Purning's already been hurt twice and their old lines not good. Well, last year the injuries were everywhere. But I'm just telling you. Well, they're old. Old teams get hurt a lot. The number's 10 and a half. I would be reluctant to go under 10 and a half. You know who didn't get hurt last year?

The Rams' young defense. Young units don't, and when they get hurt, they rebound in play. Brandon Iuke is young. Christian McCaffrey's young. Trent Williams isn't. McCaffrey isn't. Kittle isn't. They have another offensive lineman.

and they're not young. I would strongly disagree. Also, they have 12 draft picks, even if they hit on eight. That is a lot of young players. I do want to see the schedule, but remember, no first play schedule this year.

It's going to be okay. I would agree with the Chiefs under. I think they could be like a nine-win team. I know people don't agree with that. I don't disagree. And I'm not overreacting the Super Bowl. I would agree with you on the Cowboys. Agree on the commanders and Rams.

Why is the commanders only nine and a half? They seemingly got better. Well, the Giants could be worse, and Dallas will be. So that doesn't make a ton of sense. We're missing something there. Ram seems about right. I think you're still too bullish on the Patriots. They're just throwing guy.

They're just paying money. They were three and six in one-score games, and they were really bad coaching. So if you have a major coaching upgrade and $200 million, and my guess is they have enough draft picks, they'll find three or four decent players. You think Brable's worth like four wins right out of the game? Well, no, it's funny. You say that. I think Brable's worth. I think from

Gerard Mayo to Vrable, let's just talk, is a three-point swing. I don't disagree. I think Drake May rookie to year two is about a one-to-one-half-point swing. Okay, so there's... 200 million in free agency in a draft class, again, feels

like a one-to-a-half-point swing. Well, all of a sudden you look up, that's six points. Three and six and one-score games, does that go to seven and two-in-one-score games? If Rable's worth just just a field goal. He's not replacing Sean Payton. Vrable

is replacing somebody who appeared to be a bit over his skis. Is Drake May first year to second worth another possession to two a game? Moving the chains. And I think if you spend $200 million and get nine draft picks, that's worth a point to a point and a half. So I think I'm looking, I think

they'll be six, let's say they're just six points better a game. Well, the three and six becomes six and three and one score games. Now, I don't know if the staff pull up the NFC West, but I did write down notes here. The Arizona Cardinals are eight and a half. Did that jump out at you as, maybe I need to consider them?

Because Cowboys, seven and a half, Rams nine and a half. I think people like, Cardinals eight and a half. I think people like Arizona's coaching staff. Really? Well, that's like, yeah. Gannon and. Now, I'll tell you this, the commanders, it should be noted, face the AFC West and the NFC North.

AFC West is stacked. Well, so is the NFC North. So if you're wondering why the commanders are at 9.5 and not 10 to 10.5, it's a schedule. So you probably don't want to go over on any NFC East teams because those are the two toughest divisions you've got to face. Cowboys Under is a smart play. My favorite bet here is, and it's a little unknown, but I think Titans Over and Chiefs Under. Those are good. I think your Cowboys Under is really good.

Chiefs are not going 12 and 5. No. They looked old and slow in the Super Bowl. Now, it's just one game, but the offensive line, have they gotten better this off-season? No, it's worse. So what do people do? Maybe the Rishi Rice is worth a win, a wide receiver? The Raiders went toe-to-to-toe with the Chiefs twice, and were bad at quarterback.

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