The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - NFL schedule

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

More on Nikola Jokic and how the Nuggets have come back against the Timberwolves Colin is very excited for the NFL schedule being released tonight   Guest: Rachel NicholsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J-Mack, tonight, I may open a cold one, get a notepad. I will be in my zen. It is almost, maybe not quite almost, like when you're nine years. old opening presents. I kind of know what's in there.

I shook the box four or five times. I kind of know I'm getting like a big wheel or a little hockey set or something. When I was a kid, I got Fort Apache. That was the greatest present of all time. Look it up, Google it. I've thought about buying it again, just reminiscing. Christmas, you kind of know as a kid

because you shake the presents. You kind of know what's in there, but then you open it up and see it. I kind of know what everybody's schedule is going to look like, but tonight you get the order. Yeah. And order matters. Order matters. Some Jets fans are tagging me and allegedly the jet schedule is out there.

I just looked at it. I saw 11 and 6. Not a big deal. Just at first glance. You know, just take a look. Looks good. But I love, you know, order matters. When I first met my wife, Ann, she said this.

I never forget this. So, you know, I was your typical guy, idiot. And we were, she has a saying, set the tone. So you just don't go take Ann out for a pork chop and think that that's the night. So you have to send a, hey, thinking of you, maybe send flowers to work, maybe do something when you show up. You set the tone. There's an order to success. Tonight, we find out the order of your schedule, an order matter.

matters. You ever send a sweet text to your wife? I was just a during the commercial break. I'm going to send a nice text to the wife. I'll see what that does for me. I'm not in the doghouse or anything. You do it not because there's something in it for you. You do it because it's the thing to do when you love somebody. There's an order and I love the NFL. Not as much as Ann, but I love the NFL.

My thing to do I got to do Whartle during the commercial break. I haven't done it today. But I guess I got to send the text according to, you know, Colin Cowler. Just a sweet little text. Nothing in it for you. that still doesn't register we're terrible okay one second here

I gotta say this I haven't said anything nice about the Washington football team in a decade but we talked about Tom Brady in the last segment Tom saying it's not just playing football

there's a way to be as a quarterback how you congratulate how you connect how you win how you lose how you talk to the media there's a way which I've been preaching for 30 years

Cliff Kingsbury talking about Jaden Daniels. This kid's going to work. This kid's going to work. Listen to how he talks about. Again, the NFL's cruel. We ask 22-year-old kids to be 42-year-old mature.

I don't care about any other position. Quarterback, it's different. Listen to Kingsbury talking about Jaden Daniels. He's intentional, everything he does, which I like. That's what we had heard about him coming up, and that's what he's been.

He's been focused, intentional, and got to work. So that's been fun to be around. He has a plan for studying, has a plan for practice, has a plan for watching film. He knows what he wants to be and where he wants to go. And to be that young and come in there with that mindset is really encouraging. A plan, a grown-up, an adult, an order, a plan, being prepared.

Jaden Daniels is going to work. By the way, this league always has about 15% of teams at the bottom are kind of hopeless. Washington's been in that group a lot. This year it kind of feels like Carolina. Vegas doesn't have a quarterback. Giants are in that group. Washington's not. This thing feels like it's going to work.

I'm hearing everything I see and hear about Jane Daniels would give me absolute confidence. Hey, last year, the second quarterback taken was the best quarterback. It's exciting because this team has been the dregs of the NFL. It's just a bad smell, a creepy owner. Got the owner, got a new coach, got the quarterback. Got new scouting department, and they got some players here. Washington's got some players.

It's not a tough division. Giants are a bit of a mess. Dallas, coach in the hot seat, Philadelphia making changes, loses the greatest center maybe in 20 years. Just feel good about it. We always feel good about Rachel Nichols coming on the show, listening to our nonsense. You know, I told you this before, and you're very humble.

So I'm just going to tell you this. Every time you're on the show, I go out amongst the peeps, and I always get at least one or two people like, I love Rachel on your show. There you go. I appreciate that. You bring the information, and we love that. I appreciate that.

I, by the way, was already a fan of Anz, but now I'm even more of a fan of Anz after hearing that philosophy. So just saying, set the tone. Set the tone. I'm going to start using that. Set the tone. Be demanding.

We need that around my house. Why not? Start today. Just saying. Thank you, Anne. So I watched Joker last night, And I had said earlier, I'm not talking just about great, but there have been 10 players in my life. I'm 60 now.

10 players in my life. I don't count Wilt because when I saw me, he was old, headband, he wasn't the same. But there have been 10 players, all multiple titles, didn't just produce, didn't just dominate other players, but kind of like own the league for years. Yonis would be just outside, but there's 10. And it's a lot of predictable. Kareem, Magic Bird, LeBron, Steph, Duncan, Akeem, all this stuff. I'm watching last night against the best defensive team in the league. Joker is seeking out the defensive player of the year.

Give me, that's Tyson in his prime. That's MJ when you watch MJ say, all right, Pistons, bring your best defense. And I'm going to drop 40. Yep. Do we have to say Joker now has gotten, is he graduated to that all-time stuff class? Look at the number of players who have ever won three MVPs. It is a short list and it is greats. He is absolutely on the list of great all-time players.

He just is. And if you're not noticing that, then you're a hater or you're not paying attention. He's won three of the four last MVP's. And in a lot of those races, it hasn't been close. This one was not close. There was nobody in my mind who touched him. And I love Shea. He's an incredible player.

Yes. did something great the other night and showed just how much touch he has with his team knowing when to shoot, knowing when to lay off, knowing when to pass. I think Luca is super exciting, and I think he will end up winning a title. But Yokic was better.

I mean, he just clearly is a generational player. And what he did to Rudy Gobert last night, I don't know if Rudy stole his girlfriend in another life. I don't know what was happening there, but he set the tone on Rudy, to quote your wife. and I'm telling you he has a little history with Rudy as many people around the NBA do

I don't know if your listeners have heard the Jamal Murray story but Jamal likes to tell a story of a game that they were playing against Gobert and you know Gobert basically called off a double team that go you know double team came over to help Rudy on Yokic and Gober calls off the double team

and Yokic who does not talk trash just looked over at Rudy and said brother I have 47 And so, you know, I think there's a little bit there. And Yolkaj got the actual MVP award in Denver last night pregame. That wasn't shown on the main broadcast. But I think he wanted to show what he can do. And we saw it.

I think the difference between Charles Barkley was great, Dirk Novitsky was great. But the all-time greats are not only productive, they have influence on others. Michael Jordan literally made it a global league. Yep. Magic and Bird had influence over the ratings and the resurrection of the league. I mean, Steph Curry has changed the way we look at shots. Just physically change the game. Denver now is starting, it may become a basketball.

It's always been like, yeah, it's in the mountains. Melo's like, I'm not when I play here. But Beyond Great is influence. And, I mean, when Draymond Green once told me, like, I don't know how to defend him. No. And that's the thing, by the way. Look, Rudo-Ga-Gaer is not popular outside of the city he plays in, usually. And he doesn't seem to be popular among other players in the league.

And I understand some of the outrage among fans being like, he's not a four-time defensive player of the year. He's not Akeem. He's not Ben Wallace, the two other guys who have reached that height. You can only vote for the people in front of you. Hakeem was not on the ballot this year. And I got to say that when you look at what Rudy did, he was the anchor of the number one defense in the league.

You look at some of the other candidates. I love Victor Webenyama. I have been a huge proponent of him on your show. He was not the player he was at the end of the season. Anthony Davis wasn't on the ballot either and should have been. And look, but this is my point, is that if you look at Victor Weveniama, if you look at Bam Metabio, if you look at Anthony Davis, who wasn't a finalist, but a lot of people had him on the ballot,

Nicolioch just trashed all of them. He has made mincemeat out of all of those players. He took AD to school during some of these Lakers series. He took BAM to school in the NBA finals, right? I mean, we have seen him make mincemeat out of every single guy. So, no, I get it. Rudy Gobert did not look like the defensive player of the year last year. But I don't think anybody ever looks like the defensive player of the year against Yokic.

I just don't. So we all love the Nick story and we all love Jalen Brunson. Indiana is so bad defensively. You could be a casual, watch it. The Knicks started four guards, not even big guards. And not they're starting. and dominated the boards. Like, I think as much as we like the Knicks story

and everybody's been all in, last night it really hit me. The Knicks are missing half, four of their top eight players and are going to get to the Eastern Conference finals. It was bad before Damon Yannis got hurt. Some of this, don't we have to pump the brakes and go, the East hasn't been good for years.

It may have been atrocious this year. I would say this. I would say that Janice got hurt and Joelle M.B. got hurt. And if next year, I'm not wishing good help on everybody, but if Yokic gets hurt and Anthony Edwards gets hurt, it will be very different playoffs in the West than it is this year. So I do think you just kind of have to, there's some bad luck that happened in the East.

That being said, yes, the quality, you know, one through five teams are in the West right now. And it's only getting more competitive. and we talk about what are the Lakers going to do with their head coaching job. What is this team going to do? What are the Sun's going to do? You have to remember, they're playing in the West. And you have to get past those teams.

We talked about this too, Rachel. If you look at the three teams that have the most draft capital, it's like Utah, OKC. San Antonio. All Western teams. If you look at the Rising Stars, it's Wembe and SGA. If you look at the players in there. Anthony Edwards.

Anthony Edwards. So it's like, it's not even there yet. The last two dynasties, if Denver wins, Denver, the Warriors. So it is what it is, but I let you mention Coach Kay. Is part of this to legitimize the JJ Redick hired that they've made a decision and they want to legitimize the choice? I don't think they've made a decision yet. You don't? I don't.

I think they're casting a very wide net. I don't think it's a great look. Obviously, if they end up with the right coach. it'll be fine and people will forget these three weeks. But I look, the sons, I don't think they should have fired Frank Vogel, but at least they knew what they were doing afterward. 24 hours later, Coach Bud was hired. The Lakers sort of made it clear, we feel we have to get rid of Darwin,

but they didn't necessarily have a clear plan of what they wanted to do afterward. And we've seen that by the fact that they've just sort of been waiting, talking to a bunch of people, we want to talk to people we haven't talked to yet, that kind of thing. I think they are still trying to figure out how to get someone, in that seat who is going to both earn LeBron and AD's respect and also be a long-term coach because the Lakers' biggest problem is that they have had six coaches in 13 years. And yes, they won a title in that span, but it was under some very unusual circumstances,

and I would say that that is not in general the recipe for a winning organization. Michael Malone has said many times, there were two different times. I thought maybe I was going to get fired, and Denver management was like, nope, we're sticking with you. Eric Spolstra has talked about the fact. He was like, oh, there's a season or two where I thought maybe that was it. And Pat Riley has made it clear, nope, you're our guy. And the Lakers just have not done that for their coaches. No.

It's all microwave. And look, I get it that Darwin lost LeBron and AD somewhere along the way. I mean, I was at the game where LeBron's hopping up and down, and Anthony Davis has said a couple things toward the end of the season that made it clear you didn't have as much respect for Darwin. But there was an opportunity if management wanted to say to its stars, Hey, we actually think this is the best guy available right now, in part because he's got two years on the job, and he can learn from that and keep nurturing these relationships. Instead, they say, okay, okay, you don't like him, great. He's out.

But that means now they've got to figure out who else is in. JJ's never coached anywhere before. You know, you've got a bunch of guys who would be rookie head coaches. That didn't work out so well with the bucks. You just have a lot of candidates who no one is saying, oh, my God, this is the guy. No one's screaming that. and I think they're still looking. You know, years ago, when I worked at the other place,

it was called the Hot Stove League, the Yankees Red Sox because of capital advantages mostly dominated it, but it got a lot of talk, stars moving. And I would say the NFL, when they moved their free agency period, and that combined with a lot of young general managers who are risk takers, there's a lot of movement. So it used to be the baseball hot stove was the big thing. and now the NFL is the big thing.

The NBA, because we love stars and stories, gets a lot of discussion. It doesn't mean this is a weak draft, so the free agency could be the thing that changes the league a little. You know, Lakers will be looking, Nicks will be looking. What's interesting is there are teams

that have talent and stars that just need another one, and in a year where it's a weak draft, you're not getting any help there. Right. And remember, front offices get fired, So they're looking around thinking, how do I keep my job too? Give me some sense, you know, what you've watched in the playoffs.

Like a lot of these teams like, OKC are going to draft their way to success. Presti's got a long runway. Next, though, Miami, Philadelphia, Lakers, big brands. Do you think it's going to be a frenetic free agency period? What are you hearing with your sources? It could be. I mean, Paul George is going to be a huge question mark, right? If he just decides to resign and re-up with the clip,

then that will be a big piece off the board, right? Donovan Mitchell, there's a big question of, would he ask for a trade? Would they even give him one if he wanted to? He's not going to be a free agent. If they did grant him a trade, if he asked for it, which he hasn't done, would they trade him to L.A.? I personally don't think that Dan Gilbert wants to do business supplying LeBron James with the guy that he thought was going to be his franchise player and hand him to LeBron. I don't think that wound has healed enough to do that. So there's just a lot of ifs in this summer.

and if Paul George decides to go somewhere else, that will absolutely shake up and change the league. And if Donovan Mitchell requests a trade and go somewhere else, that will have a shaking effect on the league. But those guys could not go anywhere. And then you could be talking about, where's DeMor de Rosen going? And then even DeMor de Rosen said yesterday,

I want to stay in Chicago. So there's a lot of potential, but there's also potential to be very quiet. I've never had in my entire career a great first day on the job. I'm almost a little nervous. I don't believe that. Oh, no, I couldn't even get my hair right when I came here. So I've had a lot of bad first days on the job.

Can we see a photo? I'm just asking. It was the color of your hair, actually. All right, all right. So Caitlin Clark last night. I went to the internet because I watched it. Yeah. And everybody's like, major disappointment.

I'm like, she has carried women's basketball in this country for four to six weeks. Yeah. And her second half, I was like, okay, that's Caitlin. Yeah. I was just like Wemby's the best prospect ever had five turnovers, 15 points, and he's 7-4.

Yeah. Look, she said it took her while to settle in. I'm sure she was a little nervous because it matters to her because she cares and it was her first game and we see that from almost every rookie. She had 10 turnovers. That's the most by WMBA rookie in her debut. But she also played a ton of minutes more than most rookies will play and

is a huge ball handler on that team. What I saw from Caitlin Clark is that Diana Tarasi was correct in the fact that she said the competition's going to be bigger, faster, stronger, and it's going to take Caitlin Clark longer to adjust. Diana Tarassi was also correct in the fact the second half of Diana's quote never gets reported anymore. She said, but I'm sure she'll figure it out. And that is exactly what I feel about Caitlin Clark. She will absolutely figure it out.

And she's not playing on the best team. If they were, they wouldn't have the number one pick, and they were playing against the sun that is expected to be a top five team in the WMBA. The thing to remember about the WMBA is we watch Caitlin Clark's journey through her rookie year is it is a much smaller league than the NBA. So you only have 144 players. In fact, you had a bunch of the rookies who were drafted in the WMBA draft just back in April. They didn't even make the team.

They were cut from the team because it is so hard to get minutes on a WMBA franchise because there's so few spots. If you are the 200th best player in the NBA, you're better than half the guys in the league. There's 450-something guys in the NBA. If you're the 200th best women's player in this country, you're not even in the league. You don't make it because there's only 144 spots. So that is a level of competition that Caitlin Clark is up against. It will take her a little time to adjust, and also she will be fine.

Yeah, it took her a half. Yeah. Took a half to adjust. Yeah. True story, I left my car running my first day on the show. I was just reminded of that. I went down in the garage. It was running.

Not joking. Did anybody walk away with it? No. No. It was. It was. I don't. I don't even know I brought it up. It was just bad. But yeah, as I'm watching her, I'm like,

I'd be nervous as heck. I mean, and by the way, everybody's gunning for her. Yes. So it's like, I don't think the league was necessarily gunning for Wemby. I think we were all fascinated. I was like, I'm going to watch Wemby play. I want to watch Luca, this kid from Europe play. Like, she's somehow weirdly polarizing. I'm like, she's going to be good. Yeah. Great to see you as always. Thank you. Want more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app.

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about it. JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's do some NFL here. Caleb Williams, we're working on a contractual obligation to get him in every show because you love him so much. He's drawn comparisons to Patrick Gahones before he was even drafted by the Bears.

Travis Kelsey is the latest to make that comparison, saying their college highlights have a lot in common. Here's Kelsey on his New Heights podcast. I think Caleb goes in there and makes him a better football team. I really do, man. And watching him play in college over the past couple years, both in Oklahoma and USC, I thought he was an absolute stud. Sure. Similar to kind of how Patty Mahomes plays the game, or at least played the game in college, where it was a lot of feel, a lot of just trust to throw on that thing downfield and letting his guys go make plays. And he has that game changer mentality where at any moment, you know, he can kill you with your arm and he can do some things with his legs and run the ball that a lot of QVs can't that can throw it that well.

And I think Caleb goes in there and makes them a better football team. I really do, man. So do I. I don't like this. What do you mean? Well, you know that phrase, right? What phrase? Under promise, over deliver.

You never want to over promise and then under deliver. And now the hype for all this Caleb Williams stuff, we got weapons. We won seven games last year. We're going to win ten. All it is is expectations on the guy. He's not going to be able to meet them. You bought into the Jets Aaron Rogers hype. That's totally different.

This is a rookie, man. He hasn't made a start in the NFL. Remember Bryce Young. He was number one. All the pressure on him. Oh, he's terrible. C.J. Stroud, no pressure on him. Wasn't the first quarterback taken.

We didn't talk about. We didn't talk about Bryce Young in transcendent tones. He was the best of what we considered was kind of a weak quarterback class. Caleb is easily the best in what we consider to be an incredibly dynamic quarterback class of five guys that could all make it. True or false? Last year you stood up here and said, Bryce Young, I see Drew Brise. That's what everybody said.

I see Drew Brise. He couldn't hold Drew Brise's jockstrap. I didn't say, I see Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar. I saw a small guy who with the right coach would be hyper accurate and win a bunch of games. Hyper. He's a whole. Drew Brie's a Hall of Fame. I'm not denying that.

But he's not like Farr, Mahomes, Allen, Marino, L. Wait, that's different cut of cloth. that's different. This kid... You don't think the expectations are getting a little out of control here. What if they are? It's the NFL. The expectations, 17 Sundays a year.

Who cares? Don't be the media that's always protecting Caitlin Clark or protecting Aunt. Great cuts through. You'll be just fine. Great cuts through. They're not comparing him to great. They're comparing him to the greatest. No, they're saying the standard in Chicago is actually low.

they're saying the Bears could make the playoff. That's what I hear. The Bears could. Nobody's saying the Bears are going to the Super Bowl. The Bears could make the playoffs. I don't think that's unrealistic. I don't know if they will. Right now I'd say no. But I think could. Yeah,

I think they could. Oh, okay. Good luck to Caleb Williams. Next up, let's go to the Texans. They had a phenomenal season. Won 10 games. Won the division. Won a playoff game. Remember, they beat Joe Flacco.

Now, I mean, expectations are even bigger after a monster free agency, including Stefan Diggs, landing him in the trade with the bills. Following the moves, wide receiver, Nico Collins said the offense will be real dangerous, adding, the sky's the limit. And the team can't wait to show the world what they can do. I mean, their offensive weapons, Colin, this is probably a top seven wide receiver skill position, guys. I was ready to sell a little stock, a little. little. I said, you know, sophomore slump,

we're getting a little. No, I think you're going to win the division again. I kind of do. And also, I think C.J. Stroud's style, like Jared Goff, he won't get hurt. I think Anthony Richardson is really special, but that style is screaming injuries at some point. You already had one. Yeah, let's go through the skill position, guys.

You've got Diggs and Nico Collins. Nico Collins had a great year, by them. Tank Dell. Tank Dell in the slot. That's three. Really good. Joe Nixon is their running back that they stole from. For instance. Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz. Great left tackle.

Great left tackle. The rest of the offensive line was shaky. Remember, Stroud got that concussion against the Jets. Had to miss a couple games. Yeah. So the offensive line's a little shaky. The defense, they added a lot of dudes. This is a potentially dangerous team. I almost wonder if they're overvalued, which is why I keep saying I'm betting the Colts to win that. Like the Bears, I don't think they're overvalued.

I think they're over-under. It's like nine and a half. I think that's a very fair place to put Houston. I think if you ask Houston text, nobody thinks. I think so the Niners. I don't think people think they're quite as complete as Baltimore or maybe the Lions roster. But I think win the division, win a playoff game, go toe to toe, maybe lose to a Kansas City. That feels realistic. Let's look at the division, right?

The Colts are going to be better with the healthy quarterback, right? Year two with their head coach, right? The Titans are certainly going to be better. I know they had a lot of change, but their skill positions improved dramatically from last year, and they got a new coach. Yeah, the wide receiving course. Actually, so like the Jags, do we think the Jags are going to have as bad of a second half?

They have a Super Bowl winning coach and a really talented quarterback. They'll be viable. So that division's, I feel like it's tougher than last year. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And they've got to play the first place schedule. Let's keep an eye on the Texas schedule. Colts had a very interesting draft. I thought it was pretty good draft.

Colts are a team. Really good draft, actually. I think Colts are the team to watch in that division. Final story is to the NBA. The Knicks with a nice physical win. If you're watching it on FS1, check this out. Devin Cheds over Miles Turner. Look at Devin Chess.

He's just jawed jacket. Swearing. Wants all the smoke. Right before this, he had a thunderous rebound dunk. Did you see that? Yes. Listen, as a guy who I've never dunked a basketball in a real game, his dunk back was just like, oh, that would be it. And then the crowd just erupted.

Deep Inchenzo, isn't he a DMV guy? Delaware, Maryland, Virginia area. I'm not sure if he's from there. He reminds me kind of like, dad was a tough guy. He's a tough guy. He's got a little swag. He's totally Villanova. He's got a chip on his shoulder.

I don't know his background, but I... He got into it with Miles Turner. I thought he threw an elbow at Turner, and Turner, like, is not really a fault here. But afterward, Devinchenzo took it a step further, calling out the Pacers for being fake tough guys. Oh, I want to hear that. They're trying to be tough guys.

You know, that's not their identity. And there was nothing much bad. I just don't, you know, I don't agree with trying to, you know, walk up on somebody that you wasn't fighting NBA. take the foul, keep him open. You're not a tough guy, just keep it. Basically trying to be our brain, our identity.

And, you know, they were successful with it, asking him, and we just regrouped, watch the film, and just understood that, you know, that's not who we are. We came out tonight, and that's exactly who we are. He's right, he's not wrong. I don't know about that. By the way,

I looked it up, DiVincenzo, yes, he's from Delaware. That's where Villanova recruited. DMV area. Yeah. Yeah. That was her thing. I don't like having to go on the road after calling out some guys as fake tough guys. Nicks are going to wrap this series up.

I totally disagree. I think Pacers get game six. Well, home courts mattered in this series a lot. Game six is Friday night in Indy. The turnaround for game seven is, I think it's Sunday afternoon, so not even 48 hours. So if the Knicks don't wrap it up. I'm telling you right now, Indiana's got no shot to win game seven in New York. No, I would agree with that.

But less than 48 hours, if Josh, sorry, not Josh, sorry. If Hart and DeVincenzo and Brunson all play like 45 minutes in game six and they lose, that turnaround is going to be tough, Colin. Indiana is aluminum foil. They can wrap a baked potato, and that's about it. There's no iron or steel here. They are aluminum foil. They need more T.J. McConnell in their life.

Less Andrew Nemhart. Sorry, dude. I mean, there's only one side to root for here. The Knicks may be limited, but they play their R-Saw. I have no problem rooting for them. Indiana is impossible to root for us. I don't know what's going on with Halliburton. This guy was almost going to be on the Olympic team.

That's the third guy you sold me. You sold me on Tatum for years, Luke and Halliburton. Well, it was like Brunson on the Olympic team or Halliburton, and then, you know, like Halliburton's been amazing all year. He's got this hamstring. And now he's, like, vanishing in playoff games. Like, what's going? I don't know something's going on with him, maybe.

Colin, he's a tremendous basketball player. You know this. I don't know this. What do you mean? You had him. I mean, at the All-Star break, he was a cross between Steph Curry and Jason Kidd for you. You were going nuts, and I'm like, not good. You guys, I think you really do have to consider this.

You have to consider how bad the East is with some of these performances. Jalen Brunson, there's a big difference. It's one thing if you're a running back and you run for 1,800 yards in the SEC or the Big Ten. There's another if you do it in the ACC. Like, scoring 44 against Indiana is not Jordan scoring 40 against the pistons who are tackling you and could use, you know, hand checking. 40 points back then against the Celtics or the, that is a legitimate 40. 40 against the Pacers.

So it's not legit. Jayloruts, his 44 is illegitimate last night. I'm just saying, let's contextualize what it is. That's fair. If you want to do that, you can. How many of his points were just wide open jumpers from 12? feet. Jordan didn't get those. By the way, while we're doing context and you're mentioning Michael

Jordan, what happened to Anthony Edwards? Michael Jordan last night, a five of 15. If Jason Tatum has a five of 15 night, you're shredding him tomorrow. I haven't heard one word. Ninety minutes into the show. And is like 22. Okay. All right. So we can compare him to Jordan one day and then he's a non-factor

in the next, in a big spot. And it's like, oh, he's 22. Well, like Jordan, people forget that Jordan in his prime. Believe, the advantage to gray hair is actually, I saw it Live. Jordan had bad finals games.

I watched them against Utah Stink. I watched them against the Sonics at home one game and a closeout game. I think it was Sonics.

Of course. Jordan had bad games where he shot like 32 times and shot like 40%. Go look at some of those Knicks games when a brutal

knocked down, dragout series. He had some awful games. Yeah. It'll never be shown at the other place on Jordan Center. Shots fought.

Oh. Shots. Just highlight real. Just highlight reel of the greatness. I've always told you the best 30 for 30 on the planet that nobody's ever made is Jordan in the Washington years. I mean, I just saw they released like five new 30 for 30s. None of them get me to a TV. They'll all be fine.

Jordan 30 for 30, the wizard years, people have no idea of a circus that was. Did that actually happen or was just a figment of your imagination? I watched two games with him. One of them in Portland. He was unbelievable. He could be unbelievable for one game Here's the crazy thing That was year 15 for him

I don't know if I've ever told the story on the year I don't think I can tell it on Fox Too many bad words? No, maybe I'll tell it on the volume I can't tell it on Fox On a network corporate thing A Jordan story Is it abrasive? Did he curse you out?

No, no, no, no, it's I'm not going to get into it It's not for air It's for podcast By the way, has an athlete ever cursed you out? Yeah, I've had People get mad at me out. Ty Lou called me one time and I

talked about Cleveland. I remember where I was sitting. I loved it though. It was so confrontational. It made me love Tyloo. He yelled at me. And it was funny. But that was on the phone. Yeah, but I like that. I would rather you come up and if you don't say something. I don't mind.

So you remember Steve Francis? Steve Brenchized. Did he yell at you? Oh, but a major league. No, I shouldn't say that. He was not a nice gentleman to me. As a young reporter. Yeah, I was doing an interview on Yao Ming and I was going to ask him questions and he was the biggest jerk I've ever met in any locker room ever.

Like a real... Well, his career torpedoed too. 99% of athletes I've ever dealt with even if I'm critical. I don't mind going face to face it. I've only ever felt guilty once. That was a JW Marriott in L.A.

And I was calling Andy Dalton the beige water pistol because everybody was like, red rifle. I'm like, eh, not really. And then I ran into him And he's got red hair and he's nice and, you know, he believes in God and all that stuff. And I see him and I just felt terrible. I was like, oh, I'm a jerk. Why can't I say nice stuff?

He's a nice man. Yeah. And I'm out here saying, you know, stupid, you know, water pistol. And he's like the nicest guy ever. I like how he just tossed it. And he came over to me. And I'm like, yeah, I'm a schmuck. He believes in God and all that stuff.

Yeah, he's one of those people that believe in God, has red hair. He's nice. He smiles. He comes over to you. I'm like, what am I, Lucifer? I'm horrible. J.W. Maria, I know exactly where I was. I was holding a cup of Starbucks coffee.

And I'm not intimidated because I always think when I go on the air, if I was sitting here talking about Katie, if he was there. Even Aaron Rogers. He doesn't like me. I know he doesn't like me. But I would tell him, what have I said that's inaccurate? But Andy Dalton, I felt bad because he's so nice. If Aaron had red hair and was not agnostic, I would feel bad about Aaron.

There is something about, you know, a God-fearing man that's nice. I felt like You want to go to church Sunday? What's that? You want to go to church Sunday? Nope. Okay. I have two things I don't go to.

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teams to 8 teams. If you watch these games, there's NFL players, not a doubt. So I really appreciate it. So Brady's at Fox now, and he's been practicing like nonstop upstairs. He comes into the building. I never got to see him, but he's doing all this work to get ready for the

broadcast. So much like his playing career, Tom is doing it the right way. And there is a right way to be a quarterback. I get so much pushback on whenever I'm like Will Levis's Gun Show or Johnny Mansell's immaturity or Drew Locke need to be cool. Yeah, but I'm right every time. That stuff, Cam Newton, ego. Cam was good. Never had back-to-back winning seasons.

33, 34 years old. Career's over. over and cam was really talented so i do think there is a way not with other positions necessarily but there's a way to act as a head coach there's a way to act as a quarterback and you're being viewed you're being watched you're paid like the most important person because you are and tom brady talking on the pivot podcast about the way to do things when i watch quarterbacks The first thing I watch is Are does he endear himself to his teammates

What are the things that he's saying? What are the things that he's doing to endear himself to his teammates? So that he does feel like one of the guys if he wants to separate himself from the rest of the team It's not gonna go you're not gonna play 20 years Just not but the only way that I could Get to where I wanted to get to was to have the best teammates and the only way I could get the best teammates was if I was the best teammate So you have to talk the right way, hang the right way, celebrate the right way, lose the right way. If someone said, man, you were an unbelievable teammate. You'd be like, thank you because they know you so intimately.

You can't fool people in a locker room. You can't bull your way through a football season. Maybe you can't for one year if you're a good actor. Why do people struggle so much with this truth? young men especially struggle so much. There is a way to act if you want to be taken seriously. There's a way to dress if you want to be taken seriously for certain positions. High school principal, you probably don't want to be at a kegger in a small town on a Friday night.

Stay home. You know? If you're a college football coach, you probably don't want to be in the betting pool like your buddies at the golf club. Like there's a way to act. There's a way to dress for certain positions. And I love that Brady comes out and acknowledges, like, you've got to be a little more humble because you're getting the most money. You're getting the most attention.

You've got to be one of the guys. He talked about a young quarterback he likes. When you look at some of these young quarterbacks, the way C.J. Strau was speaking, so he's like, I have a question for you. What are some of the guys you actually enjoy watching play because of the way they approach the game? I mean, CJ is a good example. Like, I really appreciated where he came from and all the expectations that he had and then what he's gone and put together last year with a lot of humility.

Humility, a way to act. You're not being fake. It's like, no, listen, you know how you like you'll say certain things around your buddies a weekend in Vegas? You're not going to say around your in-laws. You're not fake. You're just being appropriate for the room and the temperature and the same. setting. That's not being fake.

Right? Like when you're sitting on a plane next to somebody, you know, you're going to be a little extra gracious because it's a plane. The young lady may be nervous. Maybe she has kids. You know, you ramp up the niceness. It's okay. I don't know why young guys

struggle with this. Like, you can go through life arguing this, but there is a way to be as a quarterback. And it's not a gun show. It's not a lot of ego. It's not being the coolest guy. It's, hey, I'm getting paid the most. I'm getting the most praise.

I'm getting the most love. The owner pays the most attention to me. That may be a little humble. Spread the love a little bit. Act certain ways. Be the butt of an occasional joke. Go have a beer occasionally with the guys. Let them win an argument.

Like, there's a way to do stuff. Jay Mack, I know as you were coming up, you know this. The rule of major media, you were young Sparky fighting your way up. There are certain contacts to make. you've understood this, but it is an argument, but you were also a pretty driven kid. So at 25, you know, you had your fun days in New York,

but you grew up pretty fast because you had to because you own a company. And I do think there is a way. I like that Brady's willing to go out there and say, yeah, there's a way to do this thing. This position has a way to play it. So I think a reason we get along is we're very similar and like, we'll look at something and you'll see, oh, this is the path. At a newspaper, you've got to start covering high schools.

Then you get bumped up to this after three years. Is that after five years you get this? I was like, no, no, that's not for me. There's a, there is a route to success. There's generally a route. But I didn't want to take that route. That's right. That's right.

And you don't have, the route isn't always the same for everybody, but I do think for quarterback, there is, you know, if you were a career politician, like you know, Bill Clinton knew when he was nine years old he wanted to be president. Barack Obama knew when he was 16. There are ways, take one for the team, you don't do certain actions. Nobody's perfect. You want to get out of the house.

But if you know, if you're Mitt Romney, you know, like, pretty early in your life, I want to be a politician. I want to be a governor of a state. You know, there's just certain areas, certain things, certain people you should avoid. Do you feel like the Internet's totally changed that game and the trajectory and the way you can go about doing things? I'm just very glad I didn't grow up with it. With the Internet? Yeah, I just, it probably would have eaten me. Yeah, I don't give a rip now.

It's all termites, and I'm the house. I don't care. It's annoying. You know, I mean, I just don't care, but I didn't grow up with it. I don't have a phone. I mean, I drove, yesterday I drove to go work out. It's amazing. Everybody in the parking lots, either walking or in their car staring at their phone.

It's weird. It's like, you can't have a, you go to a restaurant, and it's like, you guys are going to talk? I never take my phone inside a rest. I try not to. Does anybody talk? You know? All right. Hour three is coming up.

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