The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NFL, Warriors

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

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Radio and FS1. You know, it's funny. J-MAC joining us. The internet is all about right, wrong, terrible, gray, there's no gray air. No gray air, no middle. There's no middle in the internet. My entire life with six kids is all middle. So I don't live in a world of unbelievable. It's the worst thing I've ever seen like Devante Adams. Wait for more. video to come out, not the end of the world. It's no big deal. I mean, as a man, it would be embarrassing if I had to rush to a platform to be outraged every day. Like, I feel like as a dad, I have to kind of be like a grown-up in the room with my family, not scream and yell and hyperventilate. So this week's a classic example. Devonte Adams, that is assault. That is,

if you get the second piece of video, he banged into a camera guy, he apologized. Dremont Green, Steve Kerr didn't suspend him. He's seen it 20 times. By the way, I was talking to a source last night that said Jordan Poole is the biggest trash talker for the Warriors, a bench player. And that Draymond and Jordan Poole had their... Damian Lillard told me six months ago, I asked Damian Lillard, one of the great players in league history, who's the biggest trash talker in the league? He said, Jordan Poole, a bench player.

You don't know what Jordan Poole was saying. Why didn't they suspend him? Moses Moody came out yesterday and said, I can't wait to have OG our OG back, Draymond. All I'm saying is, you think you know, you don't know. Nothing is the end of the world. Nothing is perfect. And it's like the Drayman situation is a great example. The team, it's not a hot take being on the side of Steve Kerr, which is

We'll say publicly to appease the internet, but privately will communicate, figure it out, find resolution, sit people down. That's what big grownups do. You communicate. That's why people go to therapy when they have a crisis. They want to talk it out. Let's communicate. So what you do now, what happens in America now, we just appease the masses that don't

know anything, don't have any real information. We appease them publicly. And then privately, we figure stuff out through communication, resolution, therapy. And so, like, the warrior situation, Steve Kerr is not suspending him. I'm on the side of Steve Kerr. That's not a hot take. Is that you could, suspensions are often just to appease the public. They don't, they don't make, has anybody ever been suspended?

And does it change you? That doesn't change. What changes people is communication, sitting down Jordan and Draymond and talking and apologizing. That's what changes relationships. Suspensions don't change anything except my paycheck. Well, I'll quickly bring this up. There was a fight on the Chicago Bulls.

2017. Bobby Portis and this kid named Miratich. Now they're both power forwards. Mertitich apparently lunged at him. Bobby Portis punched him out, broke bones in the guy's face. He had a concussion. The bull suspended Bobby Portis for eight games for that, Colin.

Now these two were battling over playing time at the same position. They ended up trading Mertich like four months later. Some of these situations like there's no video of this Portis punch and they still suspended him eight games. So I used to cover Steve Kurt

in Portland. He's the smartest professional athlete I've ever covered. I'm going to side with him almost always on any crisis. Almost everyone. Now, people said this. Well, why did they suspend Draymond for the KD stuff? Because the Warriors organization was walking on eggshells constantly with KD, whose high maintenance to make sure they didn't offend him. And by the way, when KD left, there was a sigh of relief to many in the building that they could actually have like honest, authentic communication. You didn't have to constantly make sure Katie was okay. And it's quite possible because people learn things that Kerr said, I'm never doing that again. I'm never going to have to suspend somebody walking. So these things are, they're just, they take time. There's a lot of

gray area. It's about communication. Suspensions are just to appease people. That's just to appease the suspensions don't change anything. What changes it is communication. If you have a crisis in your life, what do you do? You go to therapy. You sit down and talk to somebody. You communicate. There's resolution. So I think Draymond and Jordan Poole, that relationship, suspension's not going to change anything. Those guys got to talk it out. And if they have resolution and admission of guilt, then it's fine. Suspending's not going to solve anything. You don't think suspending him for the opener, a national TV game would have sent a message that this is not cool. This is not all right. We don't want you on the bench.

I'm going to trust Steve Kerr. Okay. My takeaway is always. I trust Sean McVeigh. I trust smart people that know situations better than me. John McVeigh went out and got Alan Robinson. How's that looking right now? No, no. Lessneed did. Okay, fair enough. Lessneed. Yeah. So, I mean, I just fall on the side of who's smart.

I'll support them. That's generally not a hot take. Support smart people. I mean, I'm more of a case-by-case basis. Right. But Kerr has pushed a lot of the correct buttons in Golden State over the last six years. A lot of people have said this. Well, well, how come they suspended Draymond for KD?

that situation in that locker room was bringing in an outsider who was high maintenance, was always offended, and he's a great player. But we've seen with KD. He can be prickly. He can be difficult. Kerr and KD struggled. Draymond struggled. And it was a different relationship.

This is a longtime family member who has sometimes gotten in trouble and sometimes solved the problems. I mean, that close out game against the Celtics, Drayman was unbelievable. Like he has been huge for them. and so you handle this relationship differently. Jordan Poole is a chatty trash talking reserve. You don't have these titles without Draymond. So not everything is equal.

If the corner office person, the man or the woman in the corner office, has power. In the state of California, like you're more responsible in California. If there's relationships or something, the more power you have, it's viewed differently. So relationships have a lot of different dynamics. Can we stop pretending on the internet you know more than Steve Kerr? Because I don't and I know Steve and I trust Steve and I know people who know Steve.

By the way, you ever see that video of Michael Jordan punching Steve Kerr? You didn't. I know somebody that was there. It looked just like that from the great leader, MJ. Well, Draymond Green is no Michael Jordan. Let's be realistic. The punch looked just like that. firm disagreement here, but disagreement is healthy, correct?

To go back to your original point on extremes, when do you think this country in sports and otherwise? It goes back to 2016, right? That's when it became, you're over here or over here. There's no nuance, no in the middle. It's just, folks, there's gray in every situation. I don't buy into black and white. Terrible or great. We're constantly romanticizing the past and ripping the current. or you're, it's just take a deep breath, stuff, context, nuance. This stuff is, it's not easy. Draymond punches somebody.

It was really easy until the video got out. Does everybody understand that? It was really easy until the public saw it. And then you have to appease the public. It was called a skirmish and they were over it before the video came out. Does everybody understand that? Wow. So people think that was reporters covering for Draymond because that was coming up.

from Jemann's camp. It was just a skirmish and didn't blow up. Video was the accelerant to this. Oh, yeah. When it first happened, it was just an altercation. It was no, it was just not, it wasn't even a big story. The video comes out, and now the public sees it. And, you know, so all I'm saying is take a deep breath on this stuff.

Take a deep breath. Not everything's great, terrible. End of the world solved. Most stuff, especially if you have kids, it's all gray. Yeah. Right? And you want to be in the. middle in life. You want balance, right? You don't want to go to extremes. If I'm playing basketball

three or four times a week, my wife is not happy with it. That's right. I can't do that. I'm only allowed one or two. You know, you've got to have balance. All right. Uh, here, by the way, here, here was, do we have the Steve Kerbite? Here is, here is the Steve Kerbite. You know, massaging this, working his way through this crisis. Draymond and I have been together for eight years. Um, we've had, uh, plenty of run-ins. We've won championships together. We've lost championships together. We've been through an awful lot together.

I trust him. He broke our trust with this incident. But I'm giving him the benefit of doubt because I think he's earned that. And I think our team feels the same way. So he knows he needs to regain that. A nuanced, complex, thoughtful, articulate version of solution. Not the worst thing ever. Nothing.

It's not nothing. It's inappropriate. Things can be inappropriate and not the end of the world. But that's what you hear, Steve Kerr say. We have a relationship. It's a long relationship. We've been great for each other. I trust him.

You do treat friends and allies and family. members different. KD. was like, showed up, needy, demanding, it was different. Walking on eggshells. So this stuff is... I wish all the answers were as simple as Instagram. I wish they were all

like that. I wish TikTok was really how the world worked. But it's not. Colin, can Draymond Green be the same intense player, right? Where he is leading the league in technicals and all this stuff? After this incident, does he have to dial it back and prove to his team? Like, hey, hey, hey,

hey guys, I'm a different person now. I'm calm or cooler. Does he need to dial it back now? No. What makes him great. By the way, Kerr has told people privately before that the essential part of Draymond, he keeps us on edge.

He goes, we're so gifted, we get complacent very quick. You don't get complacent. Draymond is all over you at practice. He's on you and shoot around. He's on you in the huddle. He gives that team that edge. He's not perfect. He's now expensive.

He's passed his. prime. This was inappropriate. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But he has been an essential part, not because I employ him on the volume. I've disagreed with him before. He and I have had it out. He and I have talked about my disagreements with him. Did he almost knock you out or not? No, no. But I mean, we, the bottom line is life is gray. A lot of it is nuanced. Most of it, 99% of it is. You'll never find that in the internet. Okay, Greg Cole is sitting around here waiting, wait and wait and laden. All right, we got a lot of football stuff. I want to start with this. Sometimes things

can look bad, but you get the film and it's more optimistic. Right. Let's start with Kenny Pickett Buffalo. What did the film say? I actually thought, given the circumstances of that game, I thought Kenny Pickett played well. You saw the kinds of things you saw in college. He's composed, he's poised, his mechanics are good. The ball comes out. While Colin, he does not have a big, strong power arm. know that. He's not one of those kinds of throwers. The ball comes out pretty clean. You know, it's a tight spiral. He's accurate. He made good throws in a game in which he literally had a drop back every time. They aren't a tough spot offensively because they don't really at this moment in time have a viable run game. One can debate the reason for that. One might think it's the

O line. One might think it's Najee Harris. It's probably a combination of both. But he's in a tough spot because they do not have a viable run game. And he is going to have to be asked probably due to the injuries they also have on defense, he's probably going to be asked to have to drop back far more than you would like a first year rookie quarterback to have to drop back. I've said this before about Brandon Staley. I think he's smart. I don't know if he's a great football coach, but he's bright.

He's good at the podium. He's thoughtful. They finally got a running game going a little bit. I do feel like sometimes when I watch their game, they're Herbert dependent. They can't stop the run. The defense isn't great. What do you make of their offense on film going forward? Because, boy, I like their roster.

Yeah, I mean, it was interesting what they did this week. I thought this week in watching their tape, to be honest with you, it was more a function of the Brown's defense, the interior of the Brown's defense, their detackles, really getting moved quite a bit. But I will say this. They did run the ball on first and 10 on 21 of their first and tens. I haven't checked every other game, Colin, but I would bet that that is a high number for them. And I would expect that that's not going to happen every single week.

But I think that at some point in this league, and again, people can debate the value of running backs. That's a different question. But the point is, somewhere in this league, you do need to run the ball. Right. And you can, again, you can talk about. in a relative sense, how many times, in what situations, but it's very difficult simply to be one dimensional all the time. You know, and one thing that's rarely talked about, Colin, when you throw it so much, is it's not just your quarterback, it's your O line. It's very hard for an O line

to pass protect 40, 45, 50 times a game. That's a very difficult deal, no matter how good your O line is. I said this, and I've said it for several weeks, that the Niners are missing, like seven to eight key starters. And they're not, you know, the Rams have cluster injuries on the old line. They can't move the chains. The Niners have eight starters out, many stars, and they're still rolling people. Let's talk about Garoppolo. You and I, you know, I've leaned on you a lot for the Garoppolo stuff.

I think he's a very quick, accurate distributor of the ball with some limitations up the sidelines. But I do think, and I've compared him to Chris Paul, if you need somebody to use the play, coachable, get it out quick and accurately, the playmakers, he's excellent. So what does the tape say on Jimmy what you're seeing? Because the rust was on him about three weeks ago. Has he refined it a little bit? He was much better this week. You would expect him to continue to be sharper. And again, we've discussed this, but it's worth repeating, Colin. He is asked to make a lot of difficult throws between the numbers and between the hashes. That is a foundation of their past game. Now, maybe it's a foundation because

to the throws he makes best. We don't know that. All we know is that's what he's asked to do. And there's a lot of bodies in the middle of the field. So every once in a while, he throws one that is a little bit of a head scratcher. But he throws with confidence. He throws with conviction and he gets the ball out on difficult, tight window throws in the middle of the field. And he made a bunch of those last week. And that's what their past game essentially is. And, you know, I would assume that he'd continue to incrementally get better just with more reps. So D'emiko Ryan's is the defensive coordinator. And my eyes just tell me this defense wrecks people, takes them totally out of what they want to do.

What do you see schematically, athletically from the Niners on the defensive side? Yeah, defensively. You know, defense is a little different in some ways because defense is not only about technique, fundamentals, execution, obviously do your job. But defense is also about high energy. And one thing that always stands out when you watch the Niners this year is the energy. You know, you could look at whofanga, you could look at Greenlaw, you could look at Warner. These guys fly to the football and it's contagious. This year they've been outstanding playing man coverage.

So now you have a question that remains to be seen because Emmanuel Mosley, who was playing very, very well. Yeah. He was their left corner. Ward was their right corner. I believe that was the case. I might be reversing it, but the two corners, they've played extremely well, and now Mosley is out. So it'll be interesting to see how they choose to fill that role,

because Lenore, the Oregon kid, has basically played in the slot, and he's done a nice job. They moved him out last week once Mosley got hurt, but now that they have a week to prepare, did they go back to Thomas, who was a rookie last year? And obviously they didn't feel that he was ready this year. But they played cover one man coverage really, really well. And that is now a question.

I don't want to say it's an issue. It's just a question. So I watch the Packers game every snap of it. And we have a trend now where Green Bay really struggles in the second half to generate offense. Now, you could make the excuse they didn't have the ball much. But this is now like the fourth game I've seen where they just don't do anything in the second half. So let's take the Giants game. What happened?

Yeah. Well, that's, again, to me, games are case by case. Sometimes trends do develop, but I will say this about the Giants game. One thing that really stood out in the fourth quarter in particular, Colin, was how aggressive their decoordinator, Wink Martindale was. He blitzed constantly in the fourth quarter. Now, Aaron Rogers has been playing a long time, so we're not going to sit here and say that he can't handle the blitz. but a blitz is not just on your quarterback. So it's not just saying, oh, you know, it's not Rogers. It may not be Rogers. But the point is, now your O line has to deal with it because they have to

sort things out. Your receivers have to be aware that maybe they've got to shorten routes or adjust routes on the fly, and it's a young group of receivers. So there's a lot that goes into executing a past game against pressure that is not just the quarterback. But that's one thing that really stood out this past week was that Martindale really came after that Packers pass game in the fourth quarter. Now, the Giants play the Ravens. Right now, statistically, Lamar and Mahalms lead the NFL in efficiency against the Blitz. So do I expect the Giants, they did it with Aaron, do I expect them to keep the Blitz up? Is this what their personnel allows them to do? And maybe this is what they're becoming. Yeah, and this is a great question,

because that's what I think Martindale likes to do. I mean, he likes to show pressure fronts where there are six or seven on the line of scrimmage. He likes to make the offensive line have to sort all that out, including your back, getting involved in protection, because if your back's involved, then he's not releasing into a route and you have one less eligible. So this is what Wink Martindale likes to do. This has been his MO. Now, keep in mind, last year was a different year as far as Blitz for the Ravens. they struggled versus Blitz a year ago.

That started with the Miami game when Miami essentially did the same thing. They lined everybody up on the line of scrimmage. You didn't know who was coming and who wasn't coming. And you may recall that game, the Ravens had three points until late in the fourth quarter. So I would think there'd be a mixture here because I don't think ultimately Wink Martindale has all the players he wants to execute what he would really like to do. But I think that he's more pressure oriented than not. I think that's the way he wants to play. Okay, so I was thinking about this.

I think I've mentioned this to you before. To be a great quarterback in the NFL, you usually have to have the it. Breeze was accuracy. That's not an it, Colin. That's not an it. That's a trait. Okay, a trait. There has to be something that I just go, wow.

I don't see it with Daniel Jones. It doesn't mean he's not confident. I'm not a Daniel Jones fan. I don't see the it. I don't see the it. I don't see the secret sauce. But that doesn't mean he can't win a bunch of games. So what is the film say on Daniel Jones and Daibol

and how that growth is working? Yeah, and it's funny you asked me that, because I did a deep dive on Daniel Jones this summer before Daibald. I probably watched 250 dropbacks. Wow. And when I watched 250 dropbacks over the course of one or two days in a row, I was a little more impressed than I thought I would be because I don't get to do that during the course of the season,

watch one guy just like that. I think Daniel Jones is a quarterback that clearly needs to be protected. I mean, obviously you could say that about most, but there are some quarterbacks that can execute better in the cauldron of fire than others. I don't think he executes particularly well that way, but he throws a good ball. I think he knows where to go with it. I think at times he's too cautious. I think at times that he does not turn it loose on balls you have to turn loose in the NFL, and it would not surprise me at all. if Daibel is working with him on that. Because you've got to make throws. You can't. And that's one reason why I think he gets stuck sometimes in the pocket. And that's something he either will work through or not work through. And if he doesn't work through, Colin, he'll be what you think he is. If he can work through it, he'll improve.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and say he'll be top five, but he will improve. Yeah. And Daible is a great coach. So Cowboys Eagles, listen, we always sort of, you know, the Cowboys tend to get more discussion and more hype than other franchises. But when I watch them play, Demarchus Lawrence, Michael Parsons, Trayvon Diggs, they have a young safety that's been excellent. My eye, every single game they've played, they have disrupted the O line of the opponent.

That's what I see. What do you see? This weekend, what do you think we'll see? Well, and you're right, but they do it in so many interesting ways. They're very multiple with their front looks. They stand people up. They put people with their hand on the ground. They've run amoeba fronts where everybody's standing up

and they've moved people around before the snap. They've run more stunts than any team in the NFL by a wide, wide margin. So what they do is they challenge an offensive line to have to sort out a lot of things both before and after the snap of the ball. Now, the Eagles who they're playing this week have a top 1, 2, 3-0 line in the league. and for the most part it's experienced, but it's still a challenge. So that to me is where this game, you know, that's where the rubber meets the road in this game. The Eagles offense has been good.

Last week they were not at their best, but they still won a road game. So that to me is what this game comes down to because this is a really difficult front, and that includes the linebackers, to play against. And you mentioned the safety. I don't know who you're referring to, but Donovan Wilson, number six, to me, shows up all the time. on tape. Yeah. All right.

So we want to do a deep dive here at Bill's Chiefs. That's the game of the weekend. Yeah. So let's talk first. Now they face the Bill's defense. Mahomes without Tyreek Hill, who's always a weapon that scares defensive coordinators and Sean McDermott. So now Mahomes against the Chiefs without Tyreek.

Do you suspect we see a different Kansas City attack? No. I don't think because of who the Bill's put in the secondary. that you're going to see them change up what they did a year ago, which, you know, I'm going back to the AFC divisional playoff game, which was obviously one of the great games. We all know that. I think what the bills did in that game, they basically played split safety. They played a lot of zone. They played a lot of cover two. They played some two-man. I think you'll see them stay with that because don't forget, they've started a Kairilam,

who I think is going to be a very good player, but he's a rookie. They're starting Jackson at the other corner. He's a young player. So I think what you're ultimately going to see is a lot of split safety. They're going to rely on their front, which has been very good. Their front four is healthy. It has a lot of depth. I don't think there's any injuries along that defensive front.

And they're going to rely on that to create pressure. The corollary point to that, though, is what happens when you create pressure, Colin? because we've seen Mahomes seemingly more and more make plays where he leaves the pocket. And you can't just say, hey, let's pressure Mahomes and then let him escape. Because not only can he make great throws, but he also runs for calculated first downs. So it's not just creating pressure. It's making sure that he can't escape that pressure. And that's going to be really important on that side of the ball.

You know, Kansas City fell behind the Raiders. I think it was 17-0. I look at the Dallas defense. I look at the San Francisco defense. I look at the Buffalo defense. And I see a velocity. I see they make everybody uncomfortable. Kansas City's defense has Chris Jones.

There are players, but they don't make people uncomfortable. So if I'm Buffalo, Buffalo moved the ball in them last year. I suspect Buffalo should move the ball in him this year. or do you see Kansas City? I do think Kansas City's run defense feels better this year until I saw Josh Jacobs gash it. Right, right, right.

What do you expect Buffalo's offense in Kansas City's defense to look like? Well, one could be sarcastic and say when you play the bills, your run defense is not really a major part of the equation. Right. But, you know, I think one player, just before I answer that, one player who is playing very well and is a very good player and maybe he's not talked about enough, but the film tells you he's good as their linebacker, Nick Bolt,

and he's a very good player. But, you know, the bills are a passing football team. And one of the things that they've transitioned to because they don't really run the ball well is they've now become a rhythm passing team, the kind of thing that no one thought Josh Allen could do two, three years ago. So in many ways they use that in lieu of any kind of volume or consistent run game.

You see the ball come out quick, You see a lot of six, seven-yard throws. I'm certainly not saying Josh Allen is Tom Brady. They're different kinds of quarterbacks. But remember when Brady used to do that all the time, everything was six, seven yards, and they would just constantly be second and three and move the chains. That's the way in many ways the bills are playing now, still having that big playability. Obviously, we saw with Josh Allen, and we've seen the last year or two, the kinds of throws he can make at the intermediate and vertical levels.

But I think that the bill's passing game, there's a major element. of it that's a sustaining element, not just a big play element. And I think that's where the difference lies over the last part of last season and certainly through the first five games of this season. And then, of course, you can get the third and 10, 90-yard touchdown. They don't happen every week. But we know that Josh Allen is more than capable of making those kinds of throws from the pocket.

If we didn't have, you didn't know anything. You just had video of Mahomes and Josh Allen. And you didn't know about their. You had video 43 years at NFL films, and I said, hey, which one of these guys is more talented? Mahomes or Allen, what would you say? More talented. I would say it's close, and I would say that size is a trait,

and 65-240 to me is a trait. I think that as a pure, pure talent, I would say Josh Allen. But see, I'm going to say this, and now people listening, I'm sure will rip me on social media, because it's not a big difference by any stretch of the imagination. But I think size is a trait. You know, it is football. So I would say, you could make an argument, Colin,

that Josh Allen is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks we've ever seen. Now, again, that's different than saying he's the best quarterback we've ever seen. So I don't want, I'm not saying that. He hasn't played long enough to even have that conversation. but in terms of physical gifts at 6-5-240, I mean, have you seen someone who's exactly like this guy? No, I think he's way more athletic than Big Ben. I think he throws a better, more accurate ball than Cam Newton.

I think he's got about 20% of both. But he is, I mean, he's just this, my only concern is they don't run the football consistently. And like Cam and Big Ben, he takes too many hits. And that's a concern. Yep. That's a concern, Colin. And I think in any given game, that could be a problem. You know, it's really hard to play.

Look, I think he is asked to do more than any quarterback in the league on a weekly basis. He has to be Superman every week. Yep. Nope. That's hard. That's really hard. Yep. All right.

Great seeing you as always. Greg CoSell. NFL films 43 years. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Yeah, he is something else. There is no question. I was watching, by the way, speaking to town, I was watching the doctor.

Dodgers Padres for about two hours last night. Great game. There is so much talent on the field. And it is, it's just, you know, it's just, you know, Kershaw gives up a Machado home run early. And it's like, you know, I thought, I'll go, here we go, the narrative that, you know, Kershaw can't win a postseason game. Soto, Kershaw.

I mean, you just look through this Padre roster and these Dodger rosters. You could combine those two teams and make a National League All-Star team that could compete with the American League. I'm not saying they'd beat the American League All-Star team, could compete with it. I mean, there is so much talent. Speaking of baseball, did you see Yankees game tonight postponed? Yeah, I would think so. That means you kind of are contractually obligated to watch Washington, Chicago, in the NFL,

which is going to be a stinker. Yeah, who do you like in that one? I'll talk about it. I bet the over. I think there's some points coming tonight. Yes, over on Wentz versus Justin Fields. All right. I'll watch it. You know, I won't watch it. Want more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app.

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I'm Sam Jay and I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84's big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode

where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing that. sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, the Dallas Cowboys are in Philly on Sunday night football. Should be a great game. Former Eagle Jason Peters knows the environment that Dallas will be walking into. He now plays for the Cowboys. Here's what he said about his expectations from the fans.

I just know Philly fans are effing idiots when it comes to the camaraderie and the Cowboys, any team really. They know that. They pride themselves on being nasty and vulgar. They're going to cuss at you. Philly fans are the wildest fans out there. Yeah, they're harsh. You know, cold weather, a lot of losing, a lot of intensity. How about this?

I just looked at the baseball schedule. Philly's Braves, game five, if it happens, is Sunday. So Phillies fans will have watched that, then get all lubricated and get to watch Eagles Cowboys at night. That's a big, big football, baseball combo in Philadelphia. All right. Next up, Colin. Aaron Rogers, I don't know if you saw this.

Took a hit on the final play of the loss of the Giants in London. Everybody tried to throw the Hail Mary, got decked. Apparently injured his thumb. He went on a radio show yesterday, and the host said, can you show us bending your thumb? And he refused to do it. Matt LaFleur says, hey, just because he sat out of practice, it's not a big deal. Rogers is going to play. The line did tick down seven and a half to seven, not big, but it did.

Your thoughts on Aaron Rogers facing a nasty jets pass. Well, I think all these quarterbacks by week five or six are dealing with something. Tren Dillford told me that years ago. He goes, week five on, you're sore. Something hurts. Russell Wilson. Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow. I mean, even Josh Allen.

You can't keep getting hit 11 times. So I don't think that's my concern with the Packers. My concern is why isn't this defense as dominant as it should be? It's got five, six first round players. They've got excellent personnel, elite corners, great linebackers. Why couldn't they get the Giants off the field? I'll take the L. I thought the Eagles defense was going to be great.

By the way, this is LaFleur versus LaFleur. The brother is going at it. Packers Jets. I think we'll do a little more on this tomorrow on our NFL picks, which have been good. Final story, Colin. Oh, Zion Williamson. Again, look at this. Driving to the lane, look at the tweak his ankle. Did not look good at all. He left the game to be evaluated. He said there's some soreness. He's going to be fine. This is all just pretty damn depressing if you're a Zion Williamson fan. Not to dismiss this, but Duane Wade hit the floor harder than that four times a night. Yeah, he's like 70 pounds every of the Twainway. And his...

His game thrives on the power and the speed. Yeah. I'm just disappointed with this. That team's interesting. But it does help the Lakers if Zion, you know, Zion missed the entire last season, but didn't play one game. Got the huge contract. The West, the West is really good.

Loaded. This is as good of an NBA, top to bottom, as the league has ever had. No, I mean, that's not hyperbole bit. The other day I counted teams that I thought could make the playoffs. I got to 20. Yeah. So I got like 60% of the league. could be a playoff. Did you have the Sacramento Kings in there?

No. Put them in there, Colin. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. We are going to check in on the Warriors. Rick Buker around the corner next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,

the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw,

unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind, the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network, on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush

didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English.

Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84's big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough.

Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust.

I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. We only got about six, seven minutes here, so I want to get to Rick Buecker, Fox Sports, covering the NBA since the early 90s and the Warrior specifically.

Let's start with this. Drain-On and Jordan Poole. I mean, Jordan Poole is a very chatty trash talker. Was this relationship suddenly bad, or had they been sparring for a while? They've been sparring for a while, Colin. And this goes back to last year. I was told that Andre and Dremont were playing good cop, bad cop, when it came to bringing Jordan Poole along.

Now, it was brought to me in the context of this is why Jordan Poole has evolved the way he has. But there was no question that Dremon was the guy that was getting after Jordan, that these two, you couldn't find more opposite personalities and approaches to the game. So it was already built in. if you had given me a guess, let's put it this way. If you said to me, one warrior punched another warrior, who do you think it was involved? This would have been my first guess, Dremond and Jordan, and there would not have been a second one. By the way, do you think old players, young players, could it divide the room?

It could. It very well could, especially, it would be different if these guys were, let's say, both had secure, contracts and they weren't going anywhere. But that's the element here that adds some spice to it, is number one, that they're both up for extensions. And that's going to be a factor. It's going to be a point of conversation. It's going to be something that they're going to be very conscious of. Second is the video. That's what really changes it. That's right. That's what's not being talked about here is, one, the video is going to keep this president of mine and makes it very specific and how generations respond to video like this is going to make a difference. The other part is that somebody, based on this, the angle of this, this was taken not from floor

level, but from above. And from above, that's privileged access. Right. That's somebody who is either a guest or personnel of the team. And I believe that's really where this goes to the part of the issues that the warriors are facing, why they feel a little unsettled, is because they're thinking, someone within our ranks or someone that we invited in exploited that opportunity and took advantage of us. Kerr, to me, is a perfect guy to manage this crisis, however serious it is. There are people that say, well, just get rid of Draymond. They've got Kaminga and Wiseman, and now they've got the Twitchy Andrew Wiggins.

Why not just get rid of Dremont? Because there is no replacing Dremont Green. I'm doing something for Fox Sports.com right now and asking who the best defensive player in the league is. And right now, Dremont is leading the voting. There's no replacing his IQ, the way he organizes them, the way he holds everybody accountable. And while Steph Curry is the leader of this team,

Right. It's Draymond Green, who is the emotional catalyst of it. And if you look across the board at this team, particularly at the veterans, they don't have anybody like that. That's right. With that personality. He defensively and emotionally is an indispensable part of this team. Make no mistake about it. Yeah, I was told by a source I trust last night that's close to Steve Kerr, that that's exactly what I was told, that Kerr knows his unbelievable value. And it's hard for fans to embrace it if you average seven a game. but you cannot replace him in the building. Finally, the Westbrook situation. We got video last night. He won't look Patrick Beverly in the eye. We have warm-ups where he's the only guy not with a team.

The video is crazy. What do I make of this? What is this? Well, number one, the warm-up, in this instance, this is after Russ had just been beaten off the dribble. Right. And neither LeBron nor AD takes a step in the direction of the guy driving to help.

So in this point, Russ is like, I don't need this happy, you know, hunky dory stuff, this team stuff. Show me on the floor that you're with me. And as for the pregame, that was a guy saying, I know my team tried to trade me all summer long. I know they don't want me here. And I'm not going to pretend like it's anything else. So I'm here. It made me think of Marshawn Lynch.

I'm just here so I don't get fined. I'm just here to play. I know I'm not wanted here, so I'm just going to go out and do my job, but don't ask me to do anything more than that. Wow. What a way to start a J-Max looking at that thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, come on. Pat Bev, Dennis Schrooter, and Russ Westbrook.

The number of GMs who've said to be poor Darwin ham, you got oil, vinegar, and oil. Like, what? What do you expect him to do? Can't wait to wash it. It's fun, it's drama. All right, Bukes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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I had him as 11th best quarterback in the league. I now have a 9-8-9. My take is, don't tell me you can't do it now. It's a very tight, like right now, I don't know what to do with Russell Wilson. I have no idea what to do with it. He can't be ahead of Lamar Jackson now. No, no, he's not. So I took him out of the top 10 because I don't know what I'm watching.

But I have Lamar. I need to see that top 10. I had Lamar 11 now. And by the way, Kyler Murray has disappointed me this year with his lack of leadership and his lack of preparation. So I put Lamar a slot ahead of Kyler Murray, who I always thought, I think Kyler Murray throws the prettiest ball in the league. The single, even better than Mahomes.

All right, hour three, coming up. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast.

Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bole Your Mind

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