The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Nick faces the music

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Colin talks to Nick Wright from First Things First about Patrick Mahomes playing poorly for the 2nd time in the Super BowlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Nick Wright's going to be joining us. He's a trooper. He's going to be joining us here in a couple of minutes. And I thought I would start, J-Mack. You'll get a kick out of this. Connor Orr, Sports Illustrated.

Excellent young, a journalist. Only deals in fact. acknowledges he believes that the Chiefs in 2025 will miss the Super Bowl each of the next two seasons. And he talks about how the Patriots had several gaps in Super Bowls. He said it's not anti-Andy Reader Patrick Mahomes. Great players get old fast and role players are hard to keep around. And the draft, even by the best GMs, is like a 60-40, 50-50 proposition. after the first couple of rounds, you're rolling the dice on draft picks.

And so, again, this is an excellent journalist that only deals in facts, Connor, or saying that. So there are things that I think you have to be honest about. Let's not do, like, recency bias, but Mahomes' number one weapon, the last three years have been Travis Kelsey. Kind of looks cooked. He's 36 years old. In the last couple of games, not really yet. So, you know, the classic sports muscle car can't be your primary car. like it's time.

Number two is in a very mediocre draft, they're going to get, they need a tackle, and they'll probably get the fifth to six best tackle because that position is so valuable. And unless they compromise and sacrifice draft picks, they're not getting one of the better left tackles. They also need a tied end and the two best ones will be taken. The other thing is the division. We've got to be honest now. Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh.

We saw what Harbaugh did in one year. We saw Bow Nix as a rookie. Sean Payton, I'm sorry, it matters. That's the best coaching division in football. That's not even arguable. That is the best coaching division in football. The other thing is we saw Jim Harbaugh do this at San Francisco, at Michigan, and with the Chargers. In one year, he turned them around.

This year, they have $65 million in cap space. The Chargers got to the playoffs with a rookie slot receiver as a really elite weapon. That was it. So they got a lot of cap space. and what the Chargers need is a defensive tackle and running backs, and the two positions in the draft that are absolutely stacked are defensive tackle and running back, and because of their draft position, they'll get the first or second best tied end in the draft, which they need.

And here's the other thing, and we've got to be honest about this. Mahomes next year is going to be a 24% cap hit. 24% of Kansas City's cap is going to be Mahomes. He's going to be making 66 large. Tom Brady was never over 14. It matters. It matters. I know the cap's going up, but it matters.

Tom Brady, on average, was a 10 to 12% cap hit. That's why those Patriot teams never had units that were bad. They were never terrible anywhere. In the two blowout losses to Kansas City in the Super Bowl, they're bad at left tackle. They're just bad. The Patriots were never awful anywhere. Didn't matter. Kicker, punter, quarterback, left tackle, all the key positions,

they were at least B-plus. And a lot of that was Brady's sacrifice. Tom talked about this last week. It is damn hard to win these Super Bowls. What I realized early in my career about Super Bowls was, man, we won my first year. Like, what's the big deal? It's like I went to college. We played an Orange Bowl I won.

We went to the Citrus Bowl, we won. Okay, now I'm in the Super Bowl. We won. All right, what's the bigger? We didn't have a great C in 2002. We won in 2003. What's the big deal? We won in 2004.

What's the big deal? Right? then you go to 2007 and you lose and then you go to 2011 and he gets to the Super Bowl after having a great team in 2010 and we lose and it was just like wow this is way harder we went 10 years between winning yeah it's really hard very very difficult they were in good health and then the ticker went not to mention how long is Andy Reid going to coach. I know this is somber, solemn. Nick Wright is now joining us lives. That's probably your best comedy bit in years. And you know, you know what is a staple of the best of the best comedians? What? They incorporate some of their old classics into their new material. So you had a lot of new stuff there, but But then you went back to one of the classic cowardisms, which is next year is the year

Justin Herbert breaks through. I mean, set your watch to it. And by the way, I do think you had the Chiefs because they're drafting 32 or 31, pardon me, unable to draft anyone of need. And I think you had the Chargers because they're drafting 21 getting the best running back detackle and tight-in in the draft. It is unbelievable. The Chargers, to their credit, who did have to go through the season with a rookie-wide receiver is their number one option.

Can you imagine making the Super Bowl in back-to-back years with a rookie-wide receiver being your number one option? I can't. It's probably never been done. No, I mean, listen, it is, the Chiefs and me deserve a lot of criticism for the performance on Sunday. Spinning that forward into this team being cooked is, I think, a bridge too far even for you. Like, I don't, maybe you've been hanging out with J-MAC too often off the air, and he's been spitting that poison in your ear. But they still go into next season the overwhelming favorites in the AFC West,

and they go into next season better positioned than any other team in the AFC. now it's hard to get to a Super Bowl every single year. I get that. But I think you're writing the obituary a tad too soon, my friend. Okay. The one thing I did say is that, and I mean, you've never denied that Brady's great. That's one of the great things you've always said. The guy's ridiculous.

I mean, it's literally the second part of his career. He was arguably better than Elway's entire career, right? But the one thing I'll say about Tom, and having lived in Connecticut during his reign, is that we used to always talk about this. If he had the second best poker hand, he could still win the hand. He didn't have to have pocket aces. Now, in fairness, last year,

I think the last couple years, the Chiefs didn't have a loaded roster. But I would say that in the Super Bowl losses, let's just talk about this one, I didn't feel, I felt like I was watching the same play over and over, and I didn't feel Mahomes adjusted a lot. Maybe that's Andy Reed. But it did, I watched it and I thought, God, Tom would have just moved the chains short.

He kept sitting in the pocket the same play. I thought Patrick really played terribly. Listen, I think it was one of the worst games of Patrick's career, but we're not. This again is where I just have to be the arbiter of fairness. Okay. If one wants to argue that, and again, Brady is the most accomplished player ever, the goat at the position and of the sport, and because of this loss, it's going to take Patrick an immense amount of time to have a chance to catch him because this was the opportunity to do something Tom never did. That is all true. Here's what is also true.

We are now revisionist historing how Tom Brady's. playoff defeat when going for a three p went it was not in the super bowl with the decisive play being a pick six it was in the divisional round to jake plumber with the decisive play being a pick six and i know that the the michael jordan propaganda machine has convinced people that losing in round one or round two is actually better than winning those rounds and then losing in the championship round, but that of course is ludicrous.

And so you're right that Tom never had this poor of a performance in a Super Bowl. That is unquestioned. But Tom had, as every quarterback ever, had brutal performances that prevented his team from getting two Super Bowls. Patrick's never had that. And so we can go tit for tat on these things, and I had to listen yesterday to Joe Montana, four and O in Super Bowls. And that is true. It is also true that in the dead middle of his prime, 85, 86, 87, those three years, Joe Montana in three consecutive

playoff games, had three consecutive round one or first game defeats and had zero touchdowns over a three year span cumulatively in the playoffs, three straight blowoffs, including a 49 to three, but because they happened in round one, they don't count. I don't buy into that I never have. Patrick played very poorly yesterday. He now joins the list of every single quarterback in NFL history, of which he wasn't previously on, where he played his worst game of the year in the biggest spot of the year.

But I think we are writing the obituary, as you literally are, a tad too soon. Yeah. Well, I think there, I do have Kansas City being a wild card team next year. So I think they're still. That's what you had them this year. I think that's what you had them last year or this year. You have them in the wild card every year. Every year is going to be the Chargers year.

And did you say Pete Carroll? I like Pete Carroll too. Does that team have a quarterback yet? I'm just like literally on the roster. Do they have a quarterback? Is it Aiden O'Connell? I don't think that I don't think Pete Carroll is going to move the chains with Aiden O'Connell. That's just me.

It is. I said this yesterday about the Eagles, though. If Saquan Barkley got hurt next year, cross your fingers, and they lose two free agents, and it's more of a Jalen Hertz offense, they wouldn't look the same. I mean, listen, this is a sport with regulated level of violence. I think the Chiefs will rebuild. They'll be fine. They need the left tackle. They need a running back. You know, they just, they have to hit some draft picks. They're prone to do that.

I do think the Andy Reid thing is real, is that I could see Andy with two more great runs and just say, listen, man. I got four or five of these things. I'm out. And then, as you know, even the great organizations miss on head coaches 50% of the time. Is there part of you that wonders the Andy thing is what worries you more than players? Oh, listen. I mean, a thousand percent.

And Patrick leading up to the game when he was asked, you know, basically how long can this keep up. His answer was, as long as Andy's still here. The whole team, you know what I mean, it gives him the respect and credit he deserves. Here is my, the reason I am not incredibly concerned about that. First of all, in the short term, we know he's coming back at least next year, and I would imagine, as you're saying, he's coming back for two or three more years. Yeah. He is just about to start a five-year, $100 million contract. So even if he doesn't finish that you have this time. The other reason that I am less concerned is if he were to signal that he was going into what would be the last year of his career, this immediately becomes the most

coveted coaching job in modern NFL history. Yeah. Like, would it be the most coveted job since the Bucks, I'm sorry, the Colts fired Jim Mora? The answer to that's probably, right? But even in that moment, Peyton obviously, had not accomplished 10% of what Patrick already has. And so I do think they will be fine. I also would not act as if losing the guy who I believe to be one of the three greatest coaches in the history of the sport

and the greatest offensive mind in the history of the sport, and the greatest offensive mind in the history of the sport, you know, what wouldn't be a significant, significant loss, but that is much further down the road than, you know, this or next season, at least I believe. Lost, a little bit lost in Luca going to the Lakers, is how insane LeBron has played this year.

It looks like year 13. It's unbelievable. It's incredible. It very much is Brady in Tampa. where you're like, is he's still a top four quarterback when he was 44? I mean, he left, and the next year you're like, I think he's still top four or five. What do you make? We know, I'll get to Luke in a second.

How do you explain LeBron? He's better than last year. What is it? So, I mean, listen, I think there is a natural benefit to truly, and I think this is being proven out in real time, literally being the greatest athlete. And I just mean raw athleticism may be in world history. Like you can say, oh, you found a way to be hyperbolic.

Like, I don't know who he's competing with on that as far as height, weight, speed, longevity, durability, all of it over a 25-year stretch. Like, I honestly don't know who was the corner. darn it, I shouldn't ask it. There was a corner that he played for Washington, he played for like Darryl Green. Darryl Green. Like Darryl Green. I was like, I don't know. Like is he on

that same list? I don't know. But regardless, so the reason I bring that up is LeBron is right now 75% of the athlete he was 10 years ago. Yeah. But 75% of

Prime LeBron is still more athletic than 95% of the rest of the Yeah. So because of that, he's been able to stave off the aging curve a bit. You then add to it. He's a better shooter these last two years than any point of his career. Yep.

The IQ is still, you know, obviously not going anywhere. And what I think we've seen the last couple weeks is the power of hope and the power of belief. Yeah. You saw it in the Olympics, Colin. LeBron was like, all right, these might be the last. really consequential games of my basketball life and you saw him on the global stage be the best player in the entire tournament night in, night out.

Good point. And then you saw this year when it's like, wait a minute, we're actually a little bit better than I expected. JJ's doing a great job. If I'm able to carry us when Anthony Davis is out, maybe that gets the team to make one of these around the fringes deadline moves. we want them to make and maybe we can steal a finals appearance.

And then instead of that, they trade for a top three player in the world. And now I think LeBron is like, oh my God, I can win a championship. Like me and if Luca can take Kyrie and role players to the championship, can take, or championship round, can take a young Jalen Brunson and role players to the conference finals, what if I all of a sudden can, actually hand the offense off to someone else, actually not see the team go to die when I go to the bench, actually be rested going into the playoffs.

And the Lakers are going to have problems defensively and the lack of the, you know, they traded for Mark Williams for a reason it got rescinded. But you have the highest IQ duo in league history now on a team. We've never had two players with this past, ability plus IQ playing together. So offensively, it's going to be a top three team. And I think LeBron knows what that means for him. For the record, does Jimmy Butler do anything for the Warriors? I mean, I think it makes them much more interesting. I thought the NBA. Make sure they don't miss

the play in. Yeah, I think the NBA had a great week. The Luca thing, the Butler thing, Deeran Fox to Wemby. I thought the league had a great week. Does Butler do anything for that team? Still a playing team, I mean, well, I mean, I think that without him, they were going to risk at risk of missing the play in. Right. And the Warriors have been in the play in and lost previously. I think without him, they were going to be at certainly, not only at risk, but probably a favorite to miss the actual eight-team postseason. Now, I fully expect them to be in the playoffs. I don't know that I think their ceiling is a round one victory.

I do think that. I think that Steph is still really good, but night to night. Now, Steph also, by the way, has been playing his best basketball as of late, maybe invigorated by the trade as well. The only chance they have of making any real noise is if the way Steph has played the last couple weeks, if he can keep that up. I also think that Jimmy, you know, Jimmy is not night to night

that reliable when it comes to an injury risk. So they are an very old injury concerned team, but I am a fervent believer that if you happen to have one of the 10 to 12 greatest players in the history of the league still playing at a high level, you have an obligation to go all in every year. It is irresponsible to worry about the future.

Your only obligation is to right now. So I think the Warriors did right by step here, even if it's not a real needle mover when it comes to winning a championship. So maybe we were a little premature on the headstone. I will say, however, is if they don't hit on some of these draft picks, drafting 31st, it's a little scary.

Drafting 31st, that's the best position we've been in in three years. You're usually stuck in the 32 hole. Think about, and, by the way, keep in mind, the Chiefs also have, they have the 31st pick, the 63rd pick, and then like the 66th pick, because they got that from Tennessee, and Tennessee finished with one of the worst records of football. So we're loaded to bear, headed into the draft. Tell you that right now.

Maybe we trade for Micah Parsons. Who knows? Colin, I'll leave you on this. The Chiefs, we all know since Patrick's been there, seven years, they have a two-game, one or two-game season. It starts in the conference championship round. Two years they've gone 0-1. Both years they made massive changes. One year after going 0-1, they fired the D-Cordinator, brought in Spags.

One year after going O'N-1, they traded Tyree Kill. Three years, they've gone 2-0. we know what you do after that, you hold a parade. They've now twice gone one and one. The first time they did it, they remade the offensive line. I'm very curious what they do the second time, because one-and-one doesn't cut it in Kansas City. It's at 500 season.

It's really embarrassing. So, like, I don't blame you for poking fun. But they will make a major adjustment. I don't know what it'll be, but it's not going to be quiet this off-season in Kansas City. I promise you that. All right. right first things first he's bruised and a bit battered but still shows up you know what

look at the sports gods i must have been a great person in a previous life because the fact that the day after my lowest moment of my adult life as a football fan i get to watch my large adult Slovenian son lucid hansche team up with lebron james i know it's not in a fever dream i mean i'm right back baby i am so back and it was fun to watch watch last night at the Staples. Good seeing you, Nick Wright. Rachel Nichols will stop by on the Lakers style. It was fun. Crypto Arena. My bad. Crypto. I'm sorry. I'm not a, I'm not a Bitcoin, bro. I don't keep up. Nick seems to be doing well. A little delusion still there about how quickly they can remake the

offensive line. Sounds like they're going to lose a guard, and they need to replace two other positions on the line. I don't think that's a one-off season job. I am closer to Connor or. I I think, and again, I think Buffalo gave him a hell of a fight in Arrowhead. Yeah, if you're Buffalo, don't you go all in, Miles Garrett? No, whoever we can get. Just go all in. You're close. There's two teams in the league that have to go all in on Miles Garrett.

Buffalo and Green Bay. Buffalo can't stop Kansas City. I've watched four times they met in the playoffs. Kansas City gives you 35 plus. That's with Sean McDermott. Go get Miles Garrett. It's not, players generally, you've got to overpay a little bit to go to Buffalo, Green Bay, right? Not hot, free agent markets.

Go by Miles Garrett. We've now seen the blueprint to take down the chiefs. Just get your pass rush to get after Mahomes and wear him down and rattle him and cover. And also, it's on the back. There's a lot of good offensive tackles in this class. There's no great ones. Joe Alt, the Chargers, is a higher graded tackle than anybody in this class. And Alt struggled at times this year.

Later in the year, he struggled in protection against Houston. Remember that game against Houston? Well, it's a good defensive lineman draft as well. So there's a world where Ravens, Bills, just take a couple bites at the apple and go after Miles Garrett. No. Anything's in place. If I'm Buffalo, I sign Miles Garrett and I draft, their offense is fine. Go get, fix the defense, trade for Miles Garrett, and then draft more defensive.

It's a great running back and defensive tackle draft. And I mean, Matt Miller's a guy that covers the draft. He's excellent. Daniel Jeremiah does the same. Those guys, I mean, people are saying there's like, 20-some draftable defensive tackles. Like, I forget the number, but it's like, it's something. So there's a way.

Winter. Boy, have you seen some of the winter? I heard it's going to rain here in L.A. this week. No, Wednesday and Thursday. Stinks. And now, it's going to be done by Friday early in the morning. But Wednesday and Thursday, it is a monsoon. Polar vortex is a.

Whatever it's called. Pineapple, brass or I don't know. Whatever. That's a decent movie. I'm not an epidemiologist or a meteorologist. Or a UFOologist. I'm not.

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Danny Parkins got all sick, too. So cross our fingers and everybody, everybody's kind of getting healthy. Maybe it was bad oysters. I don't know what it was. But it was a lot of people on the staff were sick. But we were talking about Luca to LeBron and Jimmy Butler to the Warriors. It was a really good week. I mean, listen, when Shohei Otani went to the Dodgers, it's like, oh, that's a good week for Major League Baseball.

And by the way, you know, the Mets signed a couple of players. It's like, oh, that's a good week for baseball. I thought the NBA had a really nice week, and now J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with some weirdness, Colin. So that Lakers trade from Mark Williams that was, you know, called off basically due to a failed physical?

Well, the Hornets are talking to the NBA and exploring options disputing the Lakers failed physical. They're essentially saying, listen, Mark Williams should have passed his physical. Why didn't he? Are the Lakers pulling out of this? Now remember, there was that topic yesterday that you talked about. LeBron's camp unhappy that the Lakers acquiesced instantly and said, Luca, what do you want? I want this guy. Okay.

And is this the Lakers saying, eh, and I think it that we don't want him? What's going on here, Kyle? Very weird. I asked the team this morning, is there a history of a trade being made, then being canceled, and then being okayed? Is this the Lakers playing games? Like, Dalton Connect, it was so funny last night. It's like, poor Dalton Connect. like you ship me out, now I come back.

I think the Lakers are a very good offensive team. And we've talked about this. If Austin Reeves is your number three score, okay, that's a different ballgame. That is a different ballgame. In fact, there'll be nights. You know, I mean, I think the Lakers can't. If I was the Lakers, I don't care if it upsets LeBron. I need a big.

They have nobody that can defend the rim. Jackson Hayes had a couple moments last night, but it's the jazz. He's more of an Aleoup offensive, run the floor. I just got to ask. Anthony Davis could not stop Yokish last year in the series. Rudy Gobert could not stop Yokic. His numbers were crazy. Nobody's stopping Yokic, so does it really matter that Yokic is going to go for four?

It's interesting because the Lakers, it's not small ball. LeBron's big. Luke is a big guard. Jackson-Hase is size. Austin Roo-Ree-Hachamora's long. No, Rui Hachamora's long. They're not a tiny team, but they're not, I mean, I watched last night. They're not a good rebounding team.

And generally speaking, if the Lakers play an opponent, seven times in two weeks. It's different. You come into L.A. They're playing well. They've got good energy. It's a whole different ball game if I can dissect you

and just pound the ball down low. And so I think, you know, there are teams, and one of these teams, we always know there are teams built for the regular season. Oklahoma City. Yeah, like I'm not sure they're a postseason team yet.

I think the Lakers, if they don't get a big, People are going to attack that. And they're just like, what is Yokic going to do against the Lakers if they don't get a rim protector? Score 45. Probably. Can they contain Jamal Murray? Because remember, they lost last year.

Wasn't it too late Jamal Murray shots like at the buzzer in that series? Like, they were close. It was a close series. I know they lost 4-1, but I know it sounds crazy. I think the Lakers are NBA finals material. I don't think they can beat the Celtics as currently constructed, but I do think they can get to the finals. sorry to the seven Oklahoma City phase. I just don't know if they can defend Oklahoma City.

Those are high-scoring games. I mean, whoever gets... Luke, who gets the whistle? Free throw merchant SGA? Well, free-throw merchant, Luca. Okay. All right, next up, our own Jake Laser here at Fox Sports reported that new Jets coach Aaron Glenn is going to move on from Aaron Rogers.

New York would absorb a $49 million dead cap hit by moving on from Rogers. linebacker C.J. Mosley said Rogers has nothing to be ashamed of. We tried to do something special. You know, injuries took part in that. Took away a lot of time. But, you know, he did do some great things this year, getting his 500 touchdown. He was a leader no matter what when he came into the locker room

where he was with us, well, you know, when he was with us this year. You know, nothing but respect for him, no, to come back from Achilles, 40-plus years old. I know the wins of losses can get in the way a lot of things that you can accomplished, but that's no reason for him to leave New York with his head down, because I know he gave us his all. Well, it's not all his fault, certainly. I thought Aaron played very well last year at the end of the year.

I thought they were going to bring him back. But I do think we've had two. He started playing well when they were like three and eight. Yeah, I mean, I just, I don't want to dump him. I thought Aaron played much better in the second half of the season, but I do think what is true, and this is undeniable, is both the Packers and the Jets dumped him. Now, there's a story out that there were some provisions the Jets put out there. So Diana Rusini literally just talked about this five minutes ago.

So when Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rogers met, Aaron Glenn laid down the law. You must be at training camp. None of this, I'm going to Egypt. And you're not allowed to go on a weekly show where Aaron Rogers was paid like a million dollars to talk to a former NFL punter and stir up nonsense every week, talking about epidemiology and Fauci and just nonsense. every week. And Aaron Glenn said, no more of that. Now, do we have, do we know if Aaron pushed back or Aaron was okay with those?

Diana Ruscini just basically said Aaron Rogers was like, okay, and it's not going to work out. So I guess Rogers walked away like, I don't want these, I don't want to be held down by anybody, you know. I'll tell you what I was told by a source Sunday. And this is not Diana Rusini's source, but I was told Aaron Glenn had made a decision. He didn't want the player or the person, Aaron in there. is that there was just too much noise and drama. Now, I'm not in that facility. I don't know that to be true.

I don't think of going on a weekly radio show matters or TV show. I don't think that matters. In the end, I don't think he's... Well, we don't know what the locker room was like, Colin. Like, again, he's saying nonsense every week. He's, like, taking shots at people and acting like an all-knowing Oracle. And it's all over social media. So, like, you can't help but it get in the locker room.

Imagine if you were doing radio hits and saying all this wacky stuff, and I got to come and talk to you? It's like, dude, what do you? you doing? Well, I think the bigger issue is, I think, and I've been told this before, by people I trust that wouldn't lie to me that have been teammates of Aaron, he's moody. And you don't know quite what you're getting with Aaron? And I think that was fine when he was arguably the best talent in the sport. But this is the way it works and everything. As your talent decreases, people will deal with less of your crap. And Green Bay got to the point where they were like,

Green Bay looked at that year. I mean, Green Bay went and looked at the year they got rid of him. Aaron didn't win the great quarterback. Go back to that last year in Green Bay. If Aaron would have been an MVP, Aaron, they'd have put up with his crap outside of that darkness retreat. That had brought him back. But Aaron wasn't anymore. So, again, if he was as good as Jalen Hertz was Sunday, if you were getting somebody that was in the prime of your career, Joe Burrow, then you just deal with it. And that's not.

That could be a law office. It could be a football team. It could be a band. The greater your talent, the more you'll allow to be dramatic. and, you know, sometimes irritated. You see the odds on the screen for the next Rogers destination? Pittsburgh is not. Give me a break.

I had Raiders two weeks ago on headlines. I'll stick with that for now. But it's weird. All of a sudden, you know, Rogers is out there. Russell Wilson's going to be out there. Kirk Cousins. Sam Darnold. Like, there's a Justin Fields.

There's a bunch of guys out there. A, I don't know where the Jets go. I don't know what the Jets do a quarterback. I have no idea. and B, I don't, is anybody going to want to put up with Roger? Is there a world where the entire NFL, like they shun Belichick? Do they say, no thanks? The one advantage New York has.

First of all, they've been bad for a year, so the fans are used to it, is just not having a quarterback and getting a top three pick next year. Who are we looking at, Arch Manning next year? No, I mean, I don't think it's a terrible idea of just saying, listen. Tank first year? Well, not necessarily tank, but we'll go get Kirk Cousins for a year or something. We're not going to get capped out on anything. We're going to build the roster this year.

We're going to build the roster. And I'll say this again. Be very aware of Riley Leonard in the third round or Kyle McCord in the third round. I would not be shocked if a quarterback in the second or third round that landed with a better roster ends up being the best quarterback in this draft. Listen, Jalen Hurts fell to the second round. Kind of beneficial, isn't it? He got Howie Roseman as a GM. I mean, Jaylen Hertz was a superstar at college.

You know, like Riley Leonard, I mean, what's he doing for 110 yards a game? Boy, you are just. I mean. You know, by the way, when he goes to the NFL and crushes, he might. I'm going to do that. I'm going to put that in Colin Wright a month and a half in a row. I've been on Riley Leonard for two years now. Yeah, I know.

You love him. Final story is last week on Breakfast Ball here on FS1. Burrow said he'd be happy to restructure his contract if it meant he'd be able to keep all his weapons. Well, over the weekend, T. Higgins, one of those weapons spoke out. He's going to become a free agent, and he doesn't know if Cincinnati is going to offer him a real contract. Said Higgins, we want to build something in Sinci, but it's not in my hands. If I go to another team, then that's what happens. Sounds a little like he's resigned to not returning to Cincinnati.

It's embarrassing. Go look at Philadelphia's roster and look at the fact they can't. pay a second receiver? Who else are you paying? Well, Burroughs making way more than hurts, right? Every year. And the draft pick, Cincinnati's hit. They just haven't been good.

They're not nailing their young kids. The way that the Eagles, Cooper DeGine, superstar, I mean, pick six at the Super Bowl. Mitchell. Mitchell, outstanding. Zach Vaughn was a free agent. Like, Sequin Barclay, Free Agent. They're hitting everything. Cincinnati, if I'm T. Higgins, as much as I love Joe Burrell, if I'm T. Higgins and I can

go to Harbaugh? Herbert Harbaugh. You know about Patriots? Would you chase money with the Patriots? I think Drake May is really good. Yeah, I think I would have no problem going to... Yeah, but you're not going to the playoffs since you. I would have no problem going to New England. If I was New England, I would go after T. Higgins. You got three years, you're not paying Drake May for another three, four years. You want to live in Boston?

Boston's beautiful. Or L.A.? with Chargers? Not everybody wants to live in Los Angeles, believe it or not. You sure? Yeah, a lot of people like living in Boston. You like it out here. It's okay. I like Boston, too.

Your little world, if you don't have a beach, you can't live there. Well, once you taste it, it's like, oh, this is nice. Look at the Patriots, $120 million in cap space. Yeah, they're going to go after them. What about Raiders? They don't have a quarterback. Commanders is spicy. They've already got a star receiver.

I'll take two. I got the quarterback on the work you deal. I think New England's a great place for him. Chicago doesn't need it. I mean, to me it's obvious. New England's the place. Or the Chargers. I think Chargers. Yeah, Chargers is a good one.

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Because the NFL draft is drafting people who have been in college three, four, sometimes five years, if they redshirted, is that it's a very fun draft to watch because most of you watch them. There's a Buckeye. There's a Georgia bulldog. There's a Oklahoma sooner. You've watched the players.

And the WNBA draft, the women's draft, is a lot like that, too, that you see stars from South Carolina or Stanford. The NBA draft, I mean, you're just projecting. It's really hard to be a GM in the NBA. You're guessing. You're drafting 18-year-olds. Some go to the G-League.

Some are just out of high school. I mean, you have no tape. But one of the things I love about the NFL draft is that you don't, it market size is irrelevant. If you draft well, you can be Buffalo or Green Bay or New Orleans. It doesn't matter. Of all the leagues, football is the fairest. of the leagues. Let's be honest about baseball. If you got New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles money,

I mean, just combine, you could combine the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, just in the National League, combine those rosters. I mean, maybe San Diego's got a couple of good players, but it's like maybe Atlanta has a cunea. But in the end, it's a money sport, right? And then in the NBA, I mean, guys like to play in Los Angeles. Guys like to play in certain markets. Sammy is always been attractive.

You know, guys like to play with Steph Curry. The NFL's very fair. Market size is completely irrelevant. If your scouting department is good. I mean, the two New York teams right now stink. Until this year, D.C. stunk forever. Huge market. We a lot of big markets, Chicago, Atlanta, New York, doesn't matter.

Baltimore's great. Green Bay's great. You know, Cincinnati's got great offensive player. Market size is absolutely irrelevant. it. And I was looking at all the players that Philadelphia had taken. And this is one of the things that I think is so attractive about the NFL is, and for our radio audience, this is a lot of numbers, but for the TV audience, they just don't miss on their top picks. And I said this a couple years ago, everybody said, oh, the Rams were in a rebuild, and they had back-to-back

defensive drafts. They did not miss on any pick. Their safeties, their corners, their rush ends, their detack, everything worked. And that's what I love about the NFL is it's not about money. It's not about prestige. I can argue the two worst run teams in the league. Three could be a Chicago team and two New York teams. The best team in New York is the one up in small market Buffalo. Right. The best Midwestern team is not Chicago.

It's little old Green Bay. And that is, I think, really endearing and connectable and relatable to NFL fans. But so, you know, when you talk about Philadelphia, I don't know if Nick Seriani's a great coach. I know the last three years, he's had a ridiculous roster. Just absolutely ridiculous roster. So if you go look at the foreseeable future, because they hit on so many draft picks, one of the easiest predictions in the NFL next year is Philadelphia is going to be a playoff team, even more than Kansas City.

I think Buffalo is a lock. And this year, I think I got six of the eight divisions, right? I think a pretty safe bet. Buffalo is going to win that division. Kansas City and the Chargers will both be playoff teams. Baltimore will be a playoff team. Philadelphia and the Lions are absolutely playoff teams. You had the Patriots going to the playoffs.

Who's coming out? Is it your beloved Denver Broncos? No. Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh, Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, good, good. But you remember, you need like four new playoff teams every year. I can tell you right now.

Okay, I'll tell you right now. is... Well, why don't we do a tease because we're running out of time and then do it next hour? All right. Can I produce a show as well as be part of it? Sorry,

sorry, guys. I mean, if you're not... I just see the clock. If you're not telling me about your three-pointers at home on your rec team, you're producing and directing the show. Didn't have a great night. Last night was double-teamed a lot

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