The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - NIL, Tua, LeBron, Watson

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

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Ah, here we go. Hour 2, live in L.A. It's the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Tyrese Halliburton of the Pacers. Great young player, by the way. He got traded to the Pacers. He's been great. 18 a game, 50% shooter, big three-point shooter, a rising star in the legal. Join us in five minutes. Joy Taylor is here. Well, there we go. Game 1. That was interesting. It wasn't the outcome that I expected. I did say I think this is going to be. to go seven and it's going to be a close physical series. Yeah. But that fourth quarter was an all-timer by the Celtics. That was zany, loony. They're not going to get that much space on the perimeter next game, I imagine. Well, I mean, just think about it this way.

Miami took the Celtics seven with basically a one-man offense. Yeah. So you think the series is going to look like that. I'm going to go with the Vegas line. hasn't moved one iota game one to game two and if the warriors would have won and just held on in one by six or something like that's what most of the game looked like the line would be minus four and a half fans in the media overreact Vegas doesn't and that's the truth sir i mean fans fans should overreact Celtics fans should feel great today warriors fans should be a little nervous

you know what somebody told me it's going to go seven a buddy of mine's wife uh told me the other day She goes, when I used to listen to you, you used to drive me crazy, Colin, because you would always say, take the emotion out of it. And she said, if you take the emotion out of it, I'm you and not a fan. That's all I. That's a good point by her. She said, I'm a fan. You don't want a bunch of people with no emotion.

Nobody would listen to you. You get us all fired up. So I think I looked for last night things that will remain. Yes. If the refs don't call fouls, and a lot of times in the finals, they let it go. It's a big edge for Boston. And I've got to come to terms with all of us do. Jalen Brown now is a great fourth quarter player.

Like it's one thing to do it once or twice. He is just money in the fourth quarter. He is a go-to. So we think of them as kind of Tatum gets the ball late. No, Jalen Brown is a more dependable fourth quarter player than Tatum. And Tatum's often very good. So if they've got two guys you can depend on mostly in the fourth, that's about what the Warriors have.

That's kind of two or three players. Well, so I think it's going to be an even series. It's hard for me with the Celtics, but I'm kind of rooting for Al Horford. Can I, before I get to Tyler, I don't know what I was going to do one story. I'm going to do a different story. I want to spend 90 seconds on the story I'm going to talk about. But I've been talking about this NIL stuff. So I'm going to give it 90 seconds.

That's all I'm going to give this story. And then I'm going to get talking about the finals again. But I'm going to do one of these stories every day until the season starts, every time I'm coach talks about this. This fear among college football coaches is crazy. So Ryan Day said, we're going to have to, we need $13 million at Ohio State to keep the roster intact, as if saying it's really expensive. Now, time out. This is Ohio State. So they're bidding on the best players. Purdue's not, doesn't need 13 million. The average school can go between three and a half to six and a half million. Ohio State's playing in a totally different ballgame. They're trying to

get Bama players and, you know, like Oklahoma guys. So that's different. 13 million. Do you know how much Ohio State Athletic Department made in a pandemic when you couldn't go to games? 107 million. Do you know how much Ohio State's athletic department made pre-pandemic? $234 million.

And you're freaking out because $13 million may go to the players. You play your coaching staff, $25 million. And half of those guys, you could lose him tomorrow. Ohio State's lost a million coordinators and assistance. It's still Ohio State. So this idea that, oh my God, the 13 million, if that's the top number for Ohio State to pay for your revenue producing employees, all right. That is not the number for most schools.

Here's the other thing to remember on this. Lane Kippen pointed this out. For years and years, you won on tradition, 50, 60, 70s, 80s, 90s. Then there was the facilities war. Oregon started that. The facilities war. And you were spending $50 million a year in facilities, $100 million a year. You don't need to anymore.

Got to pay the players. You do no longer need to have cranes all over your campus to keep building smoothie bars and installing, you know, massage tables at every locker. It's over. Kids want money. Everybody's got good facilities now. You don't need cranes on your campus. What you need is an ATM machine right next to your athletic department.

So you don't need to spend $30 million on those facilities annually. And for a lot of schools, it was more than that. You don't need to. Ohio State's football could never be updated from this moment. Just paint every decade. Kids are going to go there because of tradition and they can pay them a little scratch. So it's just like anything else in life. You ever had something in your life where some money replaces other money?

Right? Like, you don't, like, I don't put any miles on my car anymore. So when I go home, I use Uber. So when I lease a car, I can tell them I'll use 4,500 miles a year. I get a much better rate because I use Uber. So my money switches. So athletic departments can move a lot of that, build new facilities for football, another smoothie bar, another this, a slide, it cleans them.

Don't need to do that anymore. You just take that $30 million, make it $15, give it to the players. A lot of fear here. Oh, my God, the payers are getting, everybody else getting paid. Can't pay the quarterback. Can't pay the pass rusher at Ohio State? Come on now. Pay the kids.

Tyrese Halliburton did not start. Third year in the league, started with Sacramento. They traded him to the Pacers, and he is money. He has been 18 a game, 50% from the field. Look at him smiling. He's saying, yes, right. That's right. That's what I'm doing.

I'm dropping buckets. Tyrese, first of all, you've never been on the show. Thank you for stopping by. First game of the NBA finals, were you shocked? You play the Celtics now regularly. Were you shocked by how Boston won? I was not. I might have been a little shocked at the way they shot the three and the fourth.

But I think throughout this playoffs, throughout the second half of the season, they showed what they are capable of defensively, with their physicality, with their speed. So I'm not shocked at what they did defensively. I thought they made a lot of tough shots on the fourth, you know, and they got stops and that allowed guys to get open shots in the fourth. You know, they had a 40 point fourth quarter. I think that was more surprising than anything, but not surprised in the way that they played, you know, considering they've done this all playoffs. So Ty Reese is only 23 years old. He's only only eight guys in the NBA, average what he does and shoot 50% from the field and 45% from three.

So this is a young star emerging in the NBA. so you know how to score the ball. Tell me when you play Boston, Tyrese. What did they do defensively or are capable of doing that other teams can't do? Well, I mean, obviously you start off with the defense player of the year. Marcus Smart physically getting into you. And even if you're scoring, it's still taking a lot out of you, just how much he's hitting you, bumping you,

just a speed at which he forces you to play. I think that does a lot. But they switch down the line. The two J's, Jason and Jalen, can really defend at a high level. I think we've seen that all playoffs. And then you've got a guy like Al Horford, who is just been unreliable for so long. He can switch out on guards. You know, I think his length helps.

And then usually they went small last night, but Robert Williams usually guards the four. And he is the rim protector. You know what I'm saying? You beat one guy. You might beat the other. Robert Williams is floating waiting for you at the rim. So I think that they cause such a different issue than most teams because most teams want to play their shot blocker on a five.

Boston's allowed to do that, their shot blocker on the foreman. So you also started your career in Sacramento, not far from the Warriors. So now, now, you got the beat up warriors. You got, you got, you know, the in between the championship warriors. But you've been on the floor with them when they're running that, you know, that fluid motion offense. I did feel like Draymond Green was kind of right I felt for 75% of the game

that Golden State kind of led by four led by eight led by three back to nine I kind of felt they controlled it what's the most difficult part of facing the warrior's offense I would say the consistent movement they got so many different actions and they're always

hunting for guys like Steph to get going Clay to get going Jordan Pools obviously had a great playoffs thus far. You know, I think what that makes them so hard to guard is that they're always moving. And it's like those guys would play together so long. It's like people always mess around and say it feels like Jermann and stuff have like a telepathy.

And they do. And I think that's what makes it so difficult when you play against those guys. You know, I love Jason Tatum as a player. I said if there's three young guys, I would build around in the league. And they have to play for at least 10 more years. I'd probably do Janus, Luke, and Tatum. and Tatum, whereas Janice isn't a great shooter from beyond and Luke is not a great defender, Tatum doesn't have a huge hole. He's not a great ball handler.

But the one thing about Tatum, and he verbalized this, Tyrese, he verbalized this. He said, you know, I didn't know if I was the guy. You know, generally if you lack confidence in something, you don't verbalize it. And last night, Tatum did something that I've seen a few times. If he, if he doesn't beat you on the first step or he's not feeling it, Like, he just gets rid of the ball. Like, a lot of scores, Tyrese don't do that. Michael didn't.

Kobe didn't. Steph doesn't. Luca doesn't. They're just going to keep shooting. The times you've matched up with him, how do you view him as an offensive player? Because sometimes he becomes more of a distributor in that offense. It's not necessarily terrible. LeBron has done that.

How do you view Tatum as a player that you have to go up against? Well, I mean, at the other day, Jason is a superstar. Like, he's a tough cover. matter what. I thought last night he struggled. He missed, you know, open looks that I don't see him missing again. I think he's had like one game every series where he's not had the greatest game, but he's always responded the right way. So I'm really curious to see how he, you know, performs in game too. But, you know, when I think guarding Jason, it's like at the end of the day, it's still Jason Tatum. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no, I don't think there's ever a time

to relax. I think he just, he struggled a little bit last night and Jalen had a, it going so he was able to facilitate. I thought he made some really good reads, you know, driving, kicking, getting other guys going. So I thought he affected the game in different ways. And I think that's kind of what a superstar is, learn how to affect games in different ways. Warriors are seen as sort of an offensive juggernaut. They actually, since Steve Kerr got there, allow the lowest field goal percentage. So it goes kind of contrary into what we all think their offense. Give me a little, your thoughts about the times you face the Warriors defense and how it

differs from the Celtics defense. Yeah. So what I would say is, is Draymond is obviously the quarterback, right? He's the guy telling him where guys to go. He really fixes most of the holes. I would say, you know, obviously, I only played against Clay one time, but, you know, he's a high-level defender. Yeah.

I think Steph, you know, people knock on him as a defender, but he's done. this for so long, he's like always in the right spot. And he's just consistent. He know what you're going to get from him. He's like, he's super solid. So I think they just got multiple guys who have played together for so long. And when you have a group of guys who, who get along and who have played together for so long, it's like they know what each other's thinking and they know how each, how each other are going to react to certain things and, and know when to fix certain things. So I feel like they're a closer group. What I would say about Boston is I think overall they have better defenders individual one-on-one defenders

one-on-one defenders one through five. So I think that's what separates it. I think they're both great defenses. What I will say is I almost feel like Boston outside of 2016, the series that Goldstein lost to Cleveland, I would say this is probably the best defense that I think this franchise that this dynasty of Golden State has ran into just with their physicality,

the way they switch things, and the way that they change things up. I think for the first three quarters last night, you saw more of a drop coverage where Steph was able to come off and just knock down shots. But then Boston went small. So they had Horford by the five and they had Derek White and Pritchard in. And then they took Pritchard out, put Marcus Smart in. And Marcus Smart was guarding Draymond.

So that was changing things to where Draymond's not getting that quick roll. Like that's not there because they're switching everything and they're able to do it because they have all these great defenders. So I think that that definitely changed things for those things. You know, it's interesting, Tyrese. you're a guard, but you're going to be asked at times, you know, to guard different people. It's becoming a positionless league. In fact, Adam Silver, the commissioner, talked about having a positionless all-star game, just the best players.

And so, I mean, there's going to be moments on switches. You're going to get, you know, you'll be guarding a three or, you know, Jason Tatum or whatever it is. And it's interesting, if you go back to when you started playing basketball, and you're young, you know, nine years old to today, the positionless feel. does feel like to me that versatility is the new the new league that you have to guard multiple guys you have to do multiple things do you as as a guy that's grown up you're a guard your whole life do you like that that you are asked sometimes to defend a bigger player how does that land for

you oh i i love it i think that's what makes this game so versatile um you know i think we're getting more of the six eight six nine guard slash wings that can that can handle that can shoot I can guard guards, guard wings. I love it. I love how the game is evolving and just allowing multiple guys to do different things. And I think that's what makes Boston so successful. They just got, they have two big wings. Horford, it feels like can guard multiple positions.

I think JJ Redick was just telling me a stat about how Horford has the best one-on-one defensive field goal percentage in the league in the playoffs. And then Marcus Smart can guard multiple positions as well. So they just have so many guys that are so versatile. and I feel like that's what helps them be so good defensive. Yeah. Tyrese Halliburton, boy, you are a sharp 22-year-old guy. You really know your hoops. You're sounding a coach.

So I pick Golden State to win, but I did say I thought the Warriors got way too much time off, and I didn't think they'd be great offensively, and they weren't. Who did you pick in this series or feel would win, and how do you feel Tyrese this morning? Originally, I picked Golden State in six. I thought they would split the first two, split in Boston, and then Gold State would win the next two. I don't, I'm not very confident in that pick right now. But I am a believer in not overreacting.

I feel like it takes two games for me to switch my opinion. So after next game we'll be able to see. But, you know, when you get to the finals, it's just a battle of two mastermind coaches, no matter what year it is. So Eme and Steve Kerr, just two great coaches who made a ton of adjustments last night. And so I'm very curious to see the adjustments going into game too.

Well, you have an unbelievable career in front of you. You're always welcome back on our show. When you're on a road trip and bored out of your mind, tell us, we'll get you back on. One of our new NBA analyst, Tyrese Halliburton from Iowa State, great meeting you. Wonderful job. And thanks again. Yep, thank you. Appreciate it.

You bet. And by the way, when you watch his highlights, he's a long, lanky guard. That's the new NBA. You know, the 666-7 guy. Put him on a one, two, three. You're not going to guard a five. But I mean, look at Golden State. The only guy with size they have, real size is Looney.

And he's not an offensive guy. You know, again, when you, I grew up in an era where the center was off in the second leading score or the first. It was your two guard and then it was your big. It's just a whole new world now. And if you can't shoot a three, you can't have two of those guys on the floor. You can have one. So Golden State gets in a little trouble when Draymond's not shooting him.

He doesn't. And Looney doesn't. And so you get, you know, you get great three production from the other three guys, but when Williams is on the floor for Boston, and we said this before the series, if you told me he plays every game in the series, this is going to be a great series. He was limping early last night, and I thought, oh, this is, he's missed a handful of playoff games, but he is a complete, that you will score, nothing inside if Robert Williams is on the floor. And it's hard enough to get past Boston's guys, but if he is the wall at the rim,

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league. A lot of points. Oh, I want to do a quick thing on Tua. So, you know, I've said this before. I think Tua is the left-handed Mack Jones. And meaning is if the play breaks down, and in the NFL, that happens a lot. The O-Line breaks down. The defense has it solved. Tua and Mac Jones can't give you anything once the play breaks down, at least not much. Now, I think Tua is more athletic easily than Mac Jones. But when you look up most of the young quarterbacks, let's not go old guys. It was a different era Brady came in.

You look at the young guys. Burl can go off script. Lamar, Kyler, Josh Allen, Mahalms, Justin Herbert. Most of the young quarterbacks, Jalen Hertz, that I like, and even some that I don't, they can move. They can do things off script.

The problem for Mack Jones is he doesn't even have an offensive coordinator today. They haven't hired one. and they have the worst receiving cord next to maybe Green Bay in the league. So Mac Jones, if you don't have the ability to make things half an off script, you got to do what Miami's done. Yeah, draft Jalen Waddle, you get Tyree Kill, you get Cedric Wilson, you draft and develop Mike Gaseki, and you have an offensive coach.

New England doesn't even have an offensive coordinator with Mack Jones. So I've said this. I think the dilemma Miami's going to get in, too is going to have a good year. he's going to have a really good year. I mean, his numbers last year were okay, and that's with a stubborn, fairly rigid defensive coach. If he has a 15 to 20% elevation, and I think he will, the dilemma with Tua is, okay, still doesn't make a lot of plays that aren't scripted,

but how do you get rid of a guy that's got like legitimate like B plus numbers? So Tua now is firing back at his critics, and I'm here for it. I think it's pretty funny. You know, for me it's just zoned that out. I mean, we come out to practice, everyone else, Twitter Warriors, you know, keyboard warriors, whatever you want to call them. You know, they're not out here practicing with us working hard. So I don't know if you guys recorded that last one to Tyreek, but I don't know about you, but that looked like money. He's going to have a really nice year.

Mack Jones, again, if you got somebody that's got limitations, Steph Curry, then Beard. around him. Like, they've figured it out in Miami. They have two of the fastest guys in the league with Waddle and Tyreek Hill. Great corner. A great tight end. I think Cedric Wilson, as a third receiver, was really good in Dallas. So I think, I think two is going to have a good year. And I think they're going to finish second in the AFC East. And I think they're going to make the playoffs. And I don't think New England is. Joy with the News. Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. Well, the Celtics had themselves some type of fourth quarter. They were on fire

from three last night, especially during that fourth quarter comeback. Boston hit their first seven threes to open the quarter and finished it nine for 12 from behind the arc. Throughout the game one win, the team shot 51.2% from three. So this postseason, teams are a combined 15 and 0 when they shoot 48% or better from three point range. Oh, okay. So when they're hot, they win. However. However, what? Tell me. those teams have gone five and nine in the following game and have shot just 33.5% from three. Now, I don't like being the gloom and doom person

after a team has a big game. That's right. But it did feel like watching that last night. They wouldn't duplicate it. That's not going to be something that is duplicated game by game throughout this finals, which I don't think matters. I didn't think that was going to happen last night. and if the Celtics had lost the game last night,

it wouldn't change my opinion that the Warriors are going to win in seven. It's a long series. You're going to win some games and you're going to lose some games, and I'm not going to panic in reaction to both. Had they lost that game last night, if they got blown out last night, it wouldn't change my opinion about any of this is going to go, which is why it's also not changing my opinion that the Celtics shot that way.

I don't think they're going to duplicate that again. Jason Tatum went one for five from three. Al Horford went six for eight. Marcus Smart, four for seven, Jalen Brown, two for eight. Derek White, who's been having himself some moments throughout this postseason, five for eight, Peyton Pritchard, two out of three. Daniel Thice hit one.

So when everyone on your team essentially is hitting threes, this is how this is going to go, even against a team like the Warriors, who didn't have their best quarter, still favored by four and a half in game two, according to Foxbet. But that was something that I don't think is going to be duplicated. however, it does give you confidence going into the rest of the series. It's a great win for the Celtics on the road to open up in game one against the team that has way more experience in that situation.

But I don't know that they're going to shoot like that in game two. Now, they don't necessarily have to shoot like that. They can hit a few of their shots, the guys that need to hit threes. But Al Horford also, like, we're an incredible story. Well, you said this week, you said he's a Hall of Famer. And I thought... I didn't say he was a Hall of Famer. Somebody did.

I think it was Nick Wright that said he was Okay, and I was like, yeah, it was Nick and I was like, oh no. And then I went, so I went to Wikipedia and I'm like, boy, he's going to have a good argument, especially if he gets a ring and is this good in the postseason? Well, he's not a big time flashy player. Oh, aesthetically, there's, he's Alex English,

who I grew up with who got 28 a night and didn't dunk. But he's had some huge moments throughout the postseason. And especially if they end up getting, winning this championship, it's going to be tough to argue against him. I mean, my heat fandom makes it difficult for me to warm up. Actually, I thought about it last night because I'm like, I got to get over these jerseys. It's the Celtics. Like, it's Boston.

It's very difficult for me. But I like so many of the guys that they have. Well, in the way they play. Like, they don't, there's no load managing. I'm kind of rooting for EMA too. You know, I just want to see a great series. I'm not really rooting in any particular direction. But speaking of some guys spent some time in Boston, Tom Brady surprised the league when he

retired back in February. Yeah. And then surprised everyone again when he came back. He said he felt some pressure to come back because the Bucks free agency was approaching and that other responsibility in his life have now made him think about how long he'll continue playing. He said at this stage, it's like 55% yes and 45% no. It's not 100 to nothing.

That's just the reality. And I think as I've gotten older, that's changed because I have other responsibilities, things that I have off the field that are really important to me, like my family, my kids, your life gets bigger as well. we all do, our life gets more full. Yes. He was only retired for 40 days, retired on February 1st and unretired on March 13th. It did feel a little bit.

I feel like there's layers to that retirement. Now that we're seeing how some of these things have played out, I think that the Miami situation had a little bit to do with that retirement because obviously there were some things in place with him and Sean Payton and then that all fall apart with the Brian Flores lawsuit. So maybe that played a role in his retirement. him just deciding he wasn't completely done. And now obviously he's going to be joining us at Fox

whenever he does actually retire. I feel like this is the last year. There's too many things that have happened. We've already gotten the teaser retirements. And now we know what he's going to be doing with his post-football career. He hasn't have anything else to prove, obviously. It feels like this is the last year.

Yes, absolutely. And his contract is up after this year. So he's not going to go play somewhere else. Now, the Buccaneers would probably have him back for as long as he wants to be there. But it just, it feels right that this would be the last year. We get, we get to kind of have the farewell tour of Tom Brady. We know what's coming. And even though it's not official, it just feels like, it feels right that this would be the last year.

Yeah. So the Birmingham Stallions and New Jersey generals punched their tickets to the USFL postseason last week, taking two of the four spots. And the final two can be clinched this. weekend. So the Philadelphia stars will be in if they beat the Michigan Panthers. New Orleans Breakers can secure a playoff berth as well, but they'd have to beat the undefeated stallions. And they'd also need the Tampa Bay Banids to lose to the Houston gamblers. So this is the schedule for USFL for week eight. The Pittsburgh mallers play the New Jersey generals today at eight

Eastern. Tomorrow breakers and Birmingham Stallions at three Eastern on Fox. And then the Michigan Panthers and Philadelphia Stars play Sunday at 12 Eastern on Fox. ending with the Houston gamblers and the Tampa Bay Bandits at 4 Eastern. That is the USFL schedule for week eight with the playoffs on the line. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news.

By the way, it's interesting. LeBron James became the NBA's first active player worth a billion dollars. I don't know LeBron, but I know his crew very well, very smart guys. He's also, LeBron's a great past. Magic Johnson's a great passer. They've both become great businessman, which is a little bit of a life lesson, include others, help others. It usually comes back. But as Joy said earlier, something that's absolutely true about this is if you feel strongly

about anything in life, realize there is somebody in America that thinks as strongly as you do in the opposite direction. You should not talk politics. That's funny. Michael Jordan didn't. LeBron does. Both are billionaires. You should talk politics. Tiger Woods doesn't and didn't, and he's the richest golfer ever.

But Muhammad Ali did. And he was the most influential boxer ever. In this country now, go to social media. It's people trying to convince you to think like them. Colin, buy Bitcoin. You're not trying to convince me to buy it. You're trying to convince yourself it's going to replace the dollar. Colin, NFTs of the future.

I don't need to be part of your group. I didn't like the Boy Scouts or Frats in college. You're not trying to convince me NFTs the future. You're trying to convince yourself. Why would you be yelling at screaming in me? You don't even know me. is that however you think of LeBron, somebody thinks the exact opposite.

So as you manufacture your daily outrage for people who don't think just like you, remember, you can be woke and be rich. It's called California. And you can be non-woke and rich. It's called big chunks of America outside of California. We'll survive both. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd,

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Download the Super 6 app and enter your picks into the baseball contest for a free shot at the jackpot. So the Dodgers got swept by the pirates, and yet last night they beat the on-fire Mets. Baseball's, it's just a weird sport. Literally the pirates come into L.A. and fly through the Dodgers. The Mets are on fire coming to L.A. and can't hit. So there you go. You know, there's this term, not even a term. We call them bad contracts.

Chris Paul at one point was considered a bad contract. And Al Horford, when the Celtic got him, was considered kind of a bad contract. Darryl Morey wanted to get rid of him in Philly, right? And then Andrew Wiggins, who! Golden State, that's a bad contract. All three work. All three work.

So why do they work? Well, first of all, they entered situations where, let's face it, Boston's a strong culture, Golden State's a strong culture. Phoenix wasn't, but they had a strong roster. But this is one of the things about contracts in the NBA. There are always eight or nine contracts that are like, be careful about trading that contract if the player has self-awareness. That's what kills Russell Westbrook.

He has no self-awareness. Like, Horford came to the Celtics and realized, okay, I'm joining Marcus Smart, Jalen Brown, Robert Williams and Tatum. It's their team. I'm just going to bring in my basketball intelligence, my work ethic, my maturity, and be part. But it's not my team.

Chris Paul realized, I don't need to score here at all. That's not the issue. This team just doesn't have leadership. They don't have a quarterback. So they need me to bark at him, yell at him. It wasn't like he said, I got to score. He understood, Chris Paul understood, this is what. they need. A grown-up. They're all kids. He's been perfect. Andrew Wiggins, I'm a number one pick.

He realized, this is Steph's team. It's the Splash Brothers. And Draymond's the catalyst often of the offense. What they need me to do. And Steve Kerr and many of the warriors were surprised play really good defense and on night's Steph's off, I'll score. In fact, the Warriors, we were told we're surprised. God, Wiggins is a great defender because he realized very early on that was going to be key to him, is that they play small, so you've got to be able to defend, and Wiggins a very good defender. Look at who doesn't work. Pardon comes in, and Westbrook comes in, and John Wall comes in.

It's just a lack of self-awareness. Sometimes, like, you know, the old saying, you've got to know the temperature in the room. Like, sometimes you just have to understand when you walk into a room, it's not your room. like Westbrook literally vehemently disagreed with Frank Vogel who suggested yeah LeBron can bring the ball up the floor Westbrook's watched LeBron for 15 years LeBron brings the ball up the floor everywhere even when he play with D. Wade so you know you talk about bad contracts well-run companies generally can handle quote a bad contract especially if the guy with a bad contract has some level of self-awareness.

And with Horford, it's a great example. It's a five-time all-star. He's made over $100 million. But he's just like work ethic guy. He cares about the right stuff guy. And he figured out very quickly the temperature in the room. This is not my team. I'm going to be a law call of fame.

It's not my team. It's their team. It's their culture. I'm going to come in here. They trade him for Campbell Walker. And it's like, I'm going to give him a lot of work. to be available as much as I can. I can defend. I give him size, but he's perfect. Robert Williams doesn't need the ball. Horford sometimes needs it a little, so it's a perfect pairing of Biggs.

And Marcus Smart last night was talking about what Al Horford gives to the Celtics. We were a static for him. I mean, Al's the OG, man. He puts in the work, you know, and don't nobody deserve to be here more than him, you know, and the way that he carries itself professionally the professionalism, he comes to this game with every day. You know, we knew there was only a matter of time for him to have a big game and continue to have a big game. You know, that's what he does. That's what he's been doing.

And, you know, he's been that catalyst for us this whole year. You know, it's also, this is something I talk about a lot. Life is cyclical. And we just now have a society where everybody overreacts to everything. So a few years ago, people were freaking out. LeBron's changing teams and Durant's changing teams. Terrible. And fans didn't like it.

Look at what's working now. Strong cultures and sticking with your team. That's what's working in the NBA. Milwaukee, Boston, the Warriors. That's what it works now. It's cyclical because a lot of this move. Here's guys that have moved around a lot. Hardin, LeBron, Kevin Durant,

Kyrie Irving. It's not working now. John Wall, Westbrook, it's not working now. So is everybody freaks out. And for the record, this will change too. Because what will happen is Donovan Mitchell, that kind of player. If he got traded, this probably won't happen. But next to Luca, they'd be a very good team, right?

And all of a sudden, everybody would go, oh, we got to go back to getting a second star. So can we just maybe not overreact to everything? this is classic example of the NBA now. It's a very good message. Don't move around. Stay with your team. Get guys that are self-aware. Bring them to your culture. Loyalty matters. The teams that are winning aren't making a zillion moves. They're making smart moves. Wiggins, Al Horford, making smart moves. And I contend with Luca, the smart move isn't another star. It may be a defensive player.

I think Paul George would be perfect. But many insist Rudy Gobert would be perfect because guys can get past Luke and get to the rim. But much like Robert Williams with the Celtics, you're not going to score at the room, rim if Gobert is there. So I think that's a good place. Also another story. And it's just unbelievable. In my life, I don't sue people and I've never been sued.

I don't have an attorney on retainer. I'm not a very litigious guy. I'm kind of like, you know, just overpay, move on another day. So Deshawn Watson is going to get suspended by the NFL. That's almost guaranteed. His attorney today, Rusty Harden, who apparently is just as legendary attorney in Texas, and I'll let you look up what he said, basically said, yeah, you know what Deshaun Watson did isn't illegal.

Not great. As I read that on Deshawn Watson, takeaway was if I was Roger Goodell and I read what Deshawn Watson's attorney said today, passing off these 23 complaints from women as it's not illegal, I'd shut him down for the year. Like if that's how you're viewing it now, like there's a time to be taxful like in life. There's a time I've criticized quarterbacks for like, come on. Sometimes don't win the press conference. Just swallow your pride.

All you attorneys out there are probably, yeah, Rusty Hart. That was a big whiff. Remember, Roger Goodell ultimately has power on this. And what you're saying is what Deshaun Watson did. Wow. Talk about tone deaf. If I'm Roger Goodell today, I read that and I think I shut him down. for the year. We're at a point now where it's time to learn a lesson. Remember, when that attorney

speaks, he's not just speaking for his client. What he is saying is he's like marginalizing victims who are at some point, regardless of how much their victims are victims, 23 women. That was, to me, a big whiff by somebody who has paid millions of dollars to elevate your protecting your brand, get you back into the league. I just, I can't believe what he said. You can go ahead. Rusty Harden, Deshawn Watson. Look it up today. Woo! That is a massive whiff. I think Joy had the, I saw it during a break. You came out and we're talking about it and I'm just, uh, I'd fire my attorney.

I don't even have the words, honestly. Very rarely do I not have the words. I literally don't have the words. I would fire my attorney. Yeah, I, yes. I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't even know what to say. I'm just I'm flabbergasted by it. I can't believe he said it. It's staggering. I mean, it's just amazing.

He did the opposite of what an attorney's supposed. It's the last thing you would ever want to say in this situation. And to your point, he's not just representing Deshawn Watson. He's representing Deshawn Watson. Who is representing the NFL? And there's a lot of subjective calls coming up here on what to do with that. Well, they're in civil cases now. So this is not.

So that's going to only. only anger the people that are already furious with Jean Watson. You just inflamed a situation. Think about your happy place. Maybe it's a so fond game day, your fishing boat, wherever it is. Driveway.com let you buy or sell a car from there outward to down. Jason McIntyre's right around the corner. You know, tomorrow's headlines today.

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