The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 – Oklahoma State QR Codes

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

Jonas and LaVar, in for Colin, talk about the NCAA putting a stop to Oklahoma State’s idea of placing QR codes on their players helmets, Mike Zimmer details the deterioration of his relationship with the Vikings and how that might affect his upcoming tenure in Dallas, plus more Herdline News! #2prosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No. You're not throwing it down on the barbecue? No. It's like the last barbecue blowout. I wanted to take today off, but you said you were working, so here we are. What are you talking about? You're always working. What do I got to do with anything? Well, somebody's got to be your wing, man. Me and you, man. There we go.

Delman Louise. me and you. I don't know about all that. Who do you want to be? You want to be Thelma or Louise? Probably Thelma. Yeah. Wasn't she the main one?

I don't know. I'll be Louise. What was the name of that show? Thelman Louise. It was called that? Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

They drove off a cliff together. We're not driving off any cliffs here on this show, though. I didn't know that. Yeah, definitely not going to be doing that. I remember the show, though. How about your buddies at the NCAA? How about them? Yeah, your buddies over there who,

they're a little bit intimidated. So you remember we were talking about Oklahoma State, and we thought it was a little bit hypocritical that Mike Gundy came out and said, you know, I'm telling all these players that, you know, come back to me in December, transfer portals over, stop having your agents call and ask for money and all the other things that come along with it. And it was like, oh, okay, listen, he's got a point. Seasons here.

Let's focus on the stuff that matters. And then boom. And then they announced they're going to have these QR codes on their helmet. to where you can scan the QR code for their week one game and you can donate to their NIL fund. And it's like, well, it seems a little bit. I mean, it's a brilliant idea. It's kind of brilliant. But it was also kind of hypocritical that Mike Gundy was saying that.

And then they come out and say, oh, but by the way, you can use our players helmets to donate to our NIL fund during games. When he was saying the opposite or something different than that a short time before that. Well, the NCAA said no, no. The NCAA prevented Oklahoma State from using the QR codes on the helmets, linked to their NIL fund with the school. The school said in a statement that it interpreted the QR codes as, quote, institutional decals permitted under NCAA bylaws, while the NCAA said the stickers were, quote,

advertising and or commercial marks. This feels like the NCAA was a little late to the party on the idea and realized, well, no, that doesn't work for us. We didn't send it to them for final approval. There's just so many gray areas anymore. I think that the idea of when are you supposed to say something or when are you not like all of the rules governing licensing agreements, who owns those spaces, da-da, this, that, and the other.

There's just a lot of things that are going to be left. up to interpretation as the NCAA as college football, as college sports moves deeper into this NIL era of time. There's no way around it. Oklahoma State's AD came out and said, we disagree with the interpretation of the rule,

but we will abide by it and work with the appropriate groups to lead on the needed change. Our people came up with an innovative concept to raise the NIL value for our student athletes, but ultimately it just serves as the latest example of, here's the catch one, here's what makes the most sense, of how college sports are evolving at a faster pace than the rule book. That's good, yeah.

I know what I just hit you all. 100% spot on. Yeah. Like, that's all this is. Like, the NCAA was late to the party. And they're losing money. Like, add that to the equation. The only reason why it's a big stink is because some way somehow they're not getting

their cut of it. Any time you take a license holder, you know, from you know whether it be the PR you know like like social media whatever it may be when you own the media rights you're you have to you have to find ways to get your money you know big 10 they own media rights they have to find their ways to get their money what if what if those QR codes some way somehow devalue their ability to say, okay, well, this customer here paid this much in advertising through the NCAA.

But now they're like, you know what? Why don't we just put our QR code? Why don't we just pay to have our QR code on their jersey or on their helmet? There's just so many things that could change the way that the NCAA is able to do their business. same thing for TV TV stations

same thing for advertising agencies all the rules as it applies to this within the NIL are so fluid right now and moving so quickly that if you're not if you're not asking

which in a way is almost impossible how can the NCAA put together a rule book how can the NCAA say what you can and you can't do when they don't even fully understand it all yet. They don't fully understand NIL yet. So how do you put rules out there that govern it?

But then, oh, oh, oh, oh, no. No, no QR codes on the helmet. I wonder, did they give a reasoning as to why they don't want the QR codes on the helmet? The wording that was used, let me get back to the exact quote from the NCAA, they said it was, quote, advertising and or commercial marks. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

And they control that. Yeah. It's just, it's kind of like when Tony Romo did the fantasy football, he was trying to do some fantasy football convention in Vegas, I think it was. And this was years ago. I want to, God, probably 10 years ago at this point, a little less than 10 years ago. But the NFL stepped in and said, absolutely not. No, this would be, we look at this as like a form of gambling and it's like a form of gambling and all this other stuff that comes along with it. And then you fast forward a couple of years later and gambling's everywhere in the NFL.

like draft kings like all like it's everywhere and so like i mean they just had a super bowl in las Vegas they've had pro bowls in los vex like there's a team in los Vegas when not that long ago tony roma having a fantasy football convention there was frowned upon by the league and roger goddell speaking out against it it's i kind of look at it like this to where the NFL was way wait a second there's all the well hold on before anybody else can do anything let us get our piece of the pie. Let us go ahead and see what we can get from all this because once you realize you can make a significant amount

of money from it, then you're looking at it going, okay, well, that makes a more sense. The NCAA is going to do it. Now that we're saying you can do it, now you can do it. Right? Now we get our cut. As long as they're getting their cut, they're going to be okay with it. But if you're doing

something that continues to cut them out of the scenario and the circle, that's not what they paid for, right? If they belong to Playfly or the other one, what's the other one, Learfield, right? If they belong, if their rights have been purchased by these entities and they're running the media rights of these schools, controlling the logos, controlling the advertising, controlling all the dollars that go into the brand, if you've sold that off, then now it becomes pretty interesting as to what the conversation is between the university, the media rights,

licensee, licensor of what the brand of the school and the NC2A. There's like all kinds of different conversations that are ensuing that have to take place because everybody is still trying to make their money and you're trying to make your money off of these athletes. And so now that only goes so far, right? So now say for instance, here's a great, maybe a decent an example. Say you have a player that gets like Shador Sanders got that shoe deal. Well, what if some way

somehow he did that shoe deal and it was with Adidas even though the school is a Nike school? That says Adidas. Right? I can spell. See that shoe? It says Adidas. But the point is

okay, where is the line drawn? Well, you sign a contract, you come here, you have to wear Nike gear. You have have to wear Nike shoes da-da-da-da if you're playing in the game you got to wear Nike but what if kids start coming in and start negotiating like I'm not wearing Nike Adidas you know puma came out of the blue said they want me to wear new balance said they want me to wear their shoe they're going to make me a signature shoe I'm going to do this there's all kinds of things that can become problematic

as we continue to move until you saw the kid and Carolina he's suing the state because they don't want to allow NIL at the high school level, but in other states, they're open for business. You're keeping this kid away from being able to monetize himself and his name, image, and his likeness with his brand because of what? It's like all comes back to control. You've been making money off of these kids for so long that you got so inundated with what would happen if something like this were to take place. And the worst case scenario that could have taken place for the NCAA is for athletes to actually be in a situation where they're allowed to monetize themselves.

It's the worst scenario that could have played out for them. So my nephew plays at Middle Tennessee, and I've only heard just some stories, a couple of stories from my brother telling me about their dealings with schools and just stories that they've heard about money that's been thrown around and so on and so forth. and it's wild to think how much the landscape has changed, man. Because you can openly talk about money with players. Didn't that feel? It was so taboo-

Does that feel uncomfortable for you still? No, not anymore. But it did. In the beginning, it was like, because what's legal? Like, you don't want to get in trouble and you don't want to get to, like, what's legal? Because your son was recruited by multiple D1 schools. And like, I can't imagine. Oh, and the first thing I'm saying to them, like, when we go into it is, like, we're not motivated by

the money you can offer him. We don't need that. He's not coming here for the money. He's coming here for the opportunity, the education, the athletics. He wants to win. And he wants to get a good education from a reputable university.

So there were a lot of factors that played into it. One of them was not NIL because I do NIL. I specialize in NIL. Go to Disrupt U.S.U. What up disrupt you? Yeah, go check it out. But that's what, you know, learning and understanding the NIL space and what it represents, Jonas, has been what I've been doing, what I've been pretty much building my company based off of is just being as educated as you possibly can. And I'll tell you what, there are just so many gray areas.

And those gray areas create loopholes. And it creates opportunity. And within all of those loopholes and those opportunities, some people are going to get deals done that are advantageous to their businesses and it's advantageous to the schools. And the NCAA and these media rights companies are going to have to figure out what are the rules that they have to put into the contracts that they're doing with these schools anymore. They're going to have to rewrite the rulebooks.

They're going to have to get these schools to re-agree to different terms that are surrounding the NIL. They're going to have to do it. What happened as simpler days when it was blue chips and Ricky Roe got a tractor. You know what I mean? Like just a duffel bag full of cash. Anthony Hardaway's mom got a job in Chicago. Get to just tell them what to do.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we got your dad at that church. Like, just shut up and play ball. You remember, yeah, you remember when Ricky Roe went into Nick Nolte and said, I'm going to need more this cash? Yeah. And Nick Nolte kicked him out of the office.

Like nowadays, it's like you would have to negotiate with those guys. Yes. You got to negotiate. And you're not negotiating with them. Listen, we've got it, but it's in 20s. Is that okay? I wonder what these agents are charging. I wonder what they're charging.

I would love to know what these agents for these kids that are doing these NIA deals are charging these kids for a deal. Because anybody can be the agent now. Because anybody can be the agent. so you're like hey bro I'm gonna get you this but we're gonna go 50-50 on it what you mean yeah man you know I got you this signing

da-da-da you're gonna take this I'm gonna take this alright I got I mean what you're gonna say is your homie or your brother or your uncle or your mom you too good for us now you're gonna forget where you came from dad's I'm certain

I'm certain and dads are a major factor in all of this. I'm certain of that, especially the ones that think that they have business savvy. They're involved. They are probably the main ones trying to facilitate deals for their kids. Look at the story that just came out

that Tegovalo's dad and how involved he was in getting to his brother, Tilia, out of Maryland, or potentially out of Maryland. Auburn was in the mix. Into Maryland. They got him into Maryland. Maryland. And then you hear all those stories about just the negotiations, the back and forth, squeezing, you know, the coaching staff to try and come up with some more money for them to play in a bowl game.

Like, I couldn't imagine even five, six years ago that that would be conversations that would be had in public. Like, that would be real conversations. But nonetheless, you've been generating a gazillion dollars off of one of the best sports spectacle, spectacle days. and all the sports. Saturdays. You've monetized so amazingly. That's why you got all these conference shifts and realignments.

That's why everybody's joining one another to generate more money in the end. And so now you're going to, because it's going to come to a point of where they have to revenue share what they're doing with the TV money. They're going to have to do that with these athletes. It's just going to be interesting

to see how it all plays out. And this is one of those real moments that you're seeing the body, the governing body of the NC2A actually having maybe the last moments of them being able to actually dictate to major power five programs. At what point will the NC2A lose any type of governing power over these schools? because it's a strong possibility that maybe NC2AA only ends up having a certain level. Mid majors, FCS. It might come a time where the top power fives become independent because of all of the rules and all of the red tape

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the hour two edition starring Beau Benson. That'll be yours here again. It's Jonas Knox. About 20 minutes from now. So I would like to say this. Mike Zimmer and we can have. have the discussion following the quotes that we read off about what's that going to look like

and how's that going to go in Dallas with your guy, Michael Parsons and company, now that he's the defensive coordinator there. But he did have some thoughts and some comments recently. He did an interview with Mark Craig of the Minneapolis Star Tribune. And

listen, this is why he got to love Mike Zimmer. He is old school. He's going to tell it how it is and does not care who it offends. So apparently he and former Vikings GM Rick Spielman, which, if I'm not mistaken, you did the draft show here at FSR with Rick Spielman. And I've heard... In Vegas.

I heard he's a good guy. He is a cool guy. Spillman's are good people. So apparently Mike Zimmer tells this story that, quote, I walk in before the draft and Rick is watching. This is the 2021 draft. So this is, you know, basically where, you know, things started to take go sideways. So I walk in before the draft and Rick is watching quarterback interviews from the Combine. He hadn't told me anything. Normally he always kept me abreast of everything, and he and I were

always good. He said, the first round, Rick tried to trade up for Justin Fields. So that was the draft in 2021, where Justin Field ended up going to the Bears, and you saw all those quarterbacks get picked. Apparently, he wanted to move up for Justin Fields. But Zimmer says, quote, Fields hasn't done anything. He's a very dangerous runner. You know, he's a very dangerous runner. You know, He's trying to get better as a pastor, but later on, the Vikings went on to select Kell and Mund. And Mike Zimmer said, when he picked Mund, I just walked out of the room. I left the building. I didn't even talk to him on the phone.

The next day, I saw Rick Spielman and I said, and you said to me, are you mad at me? Zimmer told him, I said, yeah, I think you took four backups. When we had guys there, I thought were starters. From that time on, it just kind of got worse between us. I'm not saying nothing was my fault. I'm sure there were plenty of things that were my fault. Then he also talked about how he was critical of Kellyn Mund, where he just did not want to give him any playing time,

had seen enough of him in practice, and he went on to say, people made a big deal out of me saying that he only took three snaps. I didn't need to see more of him. I saw him every day of practice. Maybe I was omniscient or something, but he played three NFL snaps and two were bad. So he unloaded on the,

former GM, former players that were there. It's not like a Brian Flores situation. He also talked about, this is my favorite, after he got fired, he said that they came in and asked him, do you want to address the team? He said, hell no, they got me fired. He said, I haven't watched one Minnesota game since they fired me. He's all, I guess you could say I hold grudges. There was also the exchange that he had with Kirk Cousins on the sidelines. He was upset at Paul Allen, the play-by-play guy for saying that Zimmer snapped when it looked like he did,

where Kirk Cousins went up to him and shook him and Zimmer grabbed him afterwards. It did not end well in Minnesota for Mike Zimmer. But I guess my question to you is, if that's who Mike Zimmer is and maybe that doesn't land well with a lot of people in today's football climate, how the hell is that going to land in Dallas? where, look, Mike McCarthy has said, you know, Zimmer's going to be blunt and he's going to tell it how it is. And I think today's game needs more of that. But is there a place for that? When you've already got incidents that have taken place this season and comments that have come out where Micah Parsons and Mike Zimmer haven't necessarily seen eye to eye on some things,

Mike Zimmer's, you know, discussed potentially maybe not being happy with participation of some players there. and considering what they had in Dan Quinn, maybe under the radar, that's the dynamic to watch for this upcoming season. Because he's a great coach. I just wonder how that lands today. I don't know Mike Zimmer, so I can't really speak to it intelligently as to how that's hitting with the Dallas Cowboys. What I can say is that in earlier days, days prior to now, toxic coaches, were plenty. They are a dime a dozen.

I mean, they're just, that's just, you find them pretty, pretty simply. These days, players have more of a voice. Should I say, venture to say they have more rights, which kind of sounds funny because players didn't have no rights. Do it the coach's way or get the hell out of here. Like, I send you back home. I gave you this scholarship.

I'll take this. scholarship, do it the way I want it done, or you get the hell up out of here. That's how it used to be. Nowadays, it's like coaches have to be very, very careful and how they manage the relationships with their players because players, for one, can get you fired, for one, for two, I guess you could say they could get you fired. First way they could get you fired is they can complain about you and get you up out of there.

It turns into a thing. Maybe it turns into a thing with the GM. Maybe it turns into a thing with the owners. Whatever it may be, it could turn into a thing that gets you out of there. Second way players can get you up out of there is by their lack of performance. If you're running a defense and that defense is not living up to the expectation that they're supposed to live up to, especially if you have a Starworth and a guy like a Michael Parsons, if he's not having a a good year, 100%

the blame is going to go towards the defensive coordinator because he's already had monster years since he's been in the league. So what else could it be? Under Dan Quinn's watchful lie, he has thrived. You get at the moment he goes away and you bring in this new coach,

why is Michael Parsons or why is this defense not playing as well as they did under Dan Quinn? And so you know what they're capable of doing. You know what the comp is. And that puts a lot of pressure on the incumbent of that defense. And that's going to be no different for Mike Zimmer.

So I just wonder if Mike Zimmer has any type of finesse or understanding of the scenario that he's in right now. You're not the head coach. So you really don't have a voice like you did in Minnesota. You do not have the power of voice and the power of hand to dictate things. You are, in essence, a position coach. And you've been given a coordinator's job, which is great. but nonetheless you're really a position coach and you need to stay in your place

and let the head coach do what it is that he's going to do so I say that to say with all of the personality quirks or whatever it is that Zimmer brings to the table he had better be very very careful and understanding that has he ever coached for the Cowboys he was an assistant for a long time

okay so he knows the Jones family so that may be the only thing that's in favor of him. That's what I thought. And if he is trying to leverage this to possibly undercut McCarthy and maybe possibly end up being a head coach there, he had better play his cards, right?

And burning bridges with players is not the proper way to get to where you're trying to go to in 2024. I mean, maybe he this is post-Vikings era and he just said, you know what, I'm just going to be honest because I have no ties left to the organization, so I'll just call out the GM. I'll call out one of our

quarterbacks. I'll call out the play-by-play guy for questioning me on that. Like, I mean, you could look at it like that or I also look at it like this. It's clearly somebody who doesn't hide his frustrations well. And if you saw the way that

interaction happened with Kirk Cousins where Kirk Cousins went and shook him and he turned around. He grabbed him like, he was like, we're going to get this thing. They were going to throw down. Like, let's go ahead and handle this. Like, you don't grab on me like that. And he had made comments about cousins

publicly and so it gave the impression that he didn't like him. Yeah, that he didn't like him and I just wonder at this point in his career with maybe feeling comfortable because his connection to the Cowboys is the most important one, which is the owner, if

potentially there's going to be a line in the sand and there's going to be a point where Jerry Jones or somebody's going to have to step in and be like, hey dude, like, Micah Parsons is one of the best players in the league. We got to try and make this work. And Mike Zimmer sounds like the type of guy who will go public with criticism of players

and not be shy about it. Well, it sounds like the type of guy that can do what happens so many times, which is poison the well between a player and an organization. And that's not something that's new. It's something that happens when you have a guy that comes in and you didn't draft him. he's not your guy and you're going to treat things a certain type of way. And if that's how he's going to be and he's going to treat things a certain type of way and Michael Parsons is going to be how he's going to be and treat things a certain type of way,

somewhere, you know, the rubber meets the road. And then now it's who are you valuing more, you know? And that's that's unfortunate. A lot of times, a lot of times, they'll side with the coach. They'll side with the coach. and they try to figure it out as to how you're going to go about doing that. Now, I think this might be a tremendously unique situation here. I do not believe that they're going to side with the coach.

But with that being said, haven't there been like lightweight reports that have come out that players aren't happy with Michael Parsons or some of the people around there just aren't happy with Michael Parsons? So you start having propaganda hit the public and hit the media. And now all of a sudden, Michael Parsons is a problem to the law. locker room. Was it Malik Hooker who was like critical of his podcast or something like that? I mean, the dude is now like moving into the business world.

I mean, he's the CEO or whatever it is of a bleacher report, arm, media arm. He's expanding his brand. He's doing a lot of things. So I don't know if it's because of envy or hate or jealousy that that may be teammates or that these things are kind of coming out of Dallas in reports of him. But the reality of it is until you can show me that he is a cancer to your team in the locker room and on the field, his productivity is always going to speak louder than what any rumor ever could.

And so now the idea of him, the rumor circulating that him and Mike Zimmer don't talk that much, having said more than three or four words to one another, that reflects the coach. That does not reflect the player. that has to fall at the feet of the coach unless it gets to a point of where you can clearly say that this is something that the player is intentionally doing and it's undermining the coach and it's undermining this unit

and I haven't heard any reports of that have you I haven't heard any reports of that I mean you know what's wild about the whole thing is this just started to become normalized now but you know there's a lot of players careers who never got to be what they could have been or never even got off the ground because they got drafted to an organization

that tried to change who they were and what they did great when they drafted. Happens all the time. But nowadays it's almost like, especially at say the quarterback position where it's like if you draft a guy, he has success in college, build around what he does great

and try and improve the other aspects of it. It's common sense. Yeah, but there was a time where it wasn't common sense where you had. And these people are getting high. to do jobs. It's like, oh, like the qualifications of being a head coach. Like, you're sitting out here doing stuff you're talking about.

This is the part that blows my mind, though, is if the player has success, everybody benefits. Like, if Micah Parsons is great, it's going to reflect well on Mike Zimmer, Mike McCarthy, the Cowboys organization. But if Micah Parsons is clearly better and great because of Mike Zimmer, then Mike Zimmer gets that credit. And that's the ego that a lot of these coaches be walking around with. But he could very easily also get the credit just by, hey, listen, Micah Parsons went to another level. Like, I would be excited about the opportunity to coach a guy like that. Belichick, that's the famous story about when he coached Lawrence Taylor with the Giants.

Lauren Belichick went to Parcells and said, hey, listen, L.T. showed up late to a meeting. And Parcell said to him, why'd you start the meeting without him? Like it's like he's a great player build around what he does. Belichick learned that. I just watched the special on AI and him and his coach. What was the coach's name that he was with? Larry Brown. Larry Brown.

Yeah. I just watched that and it was a lot of that. I mean, you're going, there's a chance. Like I always say the most amazing players more often than not, especially on defense side of the ball. They're touched. Like they're touched. They're touched with something.

and they're not always going to be the most easiest people to deal with. And you have to understand that. I think sometimes we take for granted that coaches lack humility and they need it. In some cases, I think that some of the biggest ego maniac you'll run into are coaches. And we give them a pass because we'd be so focused in on the players. But these coaches be having egos, man. They be having alter egos, super egos.

you name it, like they be having egos. Just look at the way they be dressing sometimes or look at the way they handle things sometimes. The way their hair is done, the way they talk to the media, the way they do things. Like coaches are some of the most egotistically driven people within the game, within the sport.

And that just is a part of it. So sometimes you're going to have egos collide because these guys are making money now. The players are making money. The coaches are making money. And you have somebody who's going to command more money and a Michael Parsons. And you run into a situation with him. You're supposed to make that S work out.

You're not supposed to be a problem or a thorn in the side of that athlete because you feel like you're teaching him a lesson. That's a grown-ass man playing in the National Football League. Figure out how to make that work. We are brought to you by J-Lab. I just discovered J-Lab headphones. and I am hooked. JayLab has the best audio products in the game and they're ready to take care of you this football season. Find the blue box at Walmart, Target, Best Buy, and more, or visit jelab.com.

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This is the herd line news. All right, Beau Benson, what the hell we're talking about? That's right. NFL season getting dangerously close here at Thursday kickoff. Teams are starting to name captains for the upcoming season. I believe the Steelers named Russell Wilson a team captain

today. He earned it. Yeah. The Chicago Bears named first overall pick Caleb Williams one of their eight team captains for the 2024 season. Not too shocking, but given the off-season storyline surrounding Caleb and how he would be

bidding into the locker room. It's good to see. Clean the law. locker room, you know. Diva, all the other things that came along with it, you know. He's going to prove a lot of people wrong, man. And he's going to prove a lot of people right. It's going to be interesting to see.

And I say that in a very positive way. The people who are speaking down on him, he's going to prove them wrong. I think a lot of the people who are high on Caleb Williams, I think he's going to prove him right. I really do. I do think that, you know, he is still going to be a rookie. so there's going to be some growing pains and all that. I know everybody wants this finished product.

Like, oh my God, the Bears are probably going to have a 4,000 yard passer. It's like, okay, well, like everybody just relax. All right. Like, it's first tier in. I know the expectations are what they are. I know hard knocks, the reputation, all of that stuff. But everyone just, you know, they haven't been to the playoffs in quite some time. And there's a reason for that.

The roster is better and all that, but Green Bay looks to be the goods. You know, I'm assuming Detroit is going to be back and very competitive. There's still some work to do in that division, but, you know, I do think they'll make the playoffs. I'm not willing to give out my entire playoff picks because we'll be doing that on our show

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There you go. Yeah. Scotty Sheffler, he continued his eventful 2024 on Sunday, winning the FedEx Cup, capping what could be golf's best single season in almost 20 years. Sheffler won a $25 million purse, which brings his earnings this season to $62.3 million. And that might be more once the lawsuits from that arrest gets settled too. $62 million and in the midst of it all got arrested. Man.

That's what, so for those you that don't listen to the show during the week, two pros and a cup of Joe, Brady Quinn loves golf. Levar and I are kind of like. No, no, I'm beyond that. I'm beyond that part. I mean, I'll talk about it, but LeVar's way on the other end. Like, I'm kind of more in the middle when it comes to all of it. Like, hey, listen, if it's a good story, I love talking about it, but I don't play golf. I mean, buddy getting arrested was a good story.

Great story. It's a great story. TEPCA, right? That's his name? Well, no, it's Scotty Sheffler. Perseco. Kepka's the guy that they were trying to tell everybody is built like a linebacker at 180 pounds.

Oh, that's why his name is in my hate. Like, that guy wouldn't be a linebacker on the set of minions. But for some reason, they've got him as a linebacker at 180 pounds at the time. Didn't make any sense. But, like, when he got arrested, that was a good golf story to follow. And what was the punchline here? He won $25 million this weekend. He's made $62 million for the game.

the year and got arrested. How much money do you think he going to make from that police department? Yeah, who knows? I don't know. He also won the Masters. He got a green jacket. He got the Olympic gold medal. He had a child for the first time this year. Everything's coming up, Scotty Sheple. Ended up in the clink.

Dang. It's good for him, you know? That's the American dream, right? What a great redemption story. You know the best part about that story, too? The guy was arrested, and in like 12 minutes, they already had him in an orange jumpsuit. That was fast, man. Literally disrobed him in the police car. He wanted to have that orange jumpsuit too because he knew he wasn't a criminal.

So even be able to put that on like the swag factor that comes along with that. Bo, you've been to prison. Does the orange jumpsuit, can you take that home with you or what? Oh, I did. Okay. Which one would you rather wear? The jumpsuit or the green jacket? Why not both? Why not both? Put the green jacket over the jumpsuit? Why be an either or person?

Good call. Wow. That's a good call. That's kind of fire. We got time for the last one there, Bo? We'll save it. We'll save it for the next one. So there it is.

There's Bo Benson with the news here. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. What's miniature golf going to be an Olympic sport? I mean, come on. You talk about real talent, being able to hit a ball through a clown's mouth

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