The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Overtime, NFL, Sean Payton

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

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It's the herd wherever you may be in, however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. By the way, I was told during the break, Joy Taylor, that not only is Brian Daibol, the leading candidate for the Giants, and Joe Shane, the number two in Buffalo, really well-run organization. But that Ken Dorsey is the pick to be offensive coordinator for Dayball, and I will tell you, I have had two conversations, not even on the air, just with executives in the league over the last year, and I keep asking him, who's the next great coach? But he's five years away.

Both, said Ken Dorsey. Yeah, everyone loves George. You cannot do better as an NFL team. If you're trying to make your quarterback better, then Brian Daibol and Ken Dorsey, that is A&A. Now, I mean, because we've seen evidence of both, but Dorsey is, it was like Frank Reich before he got. the job. All my guys were like, Frank Reich should have been coaching like four years ago. And he got there and stabilized it. And there you go. So this could be a really good week for the Giants because they're a mess. But if you can get the GM, you know, there's arguments to be made

in the NFL now outside a quarterback. The GM may be more important than the coach. You got a bad personnel guy. There are limitations on what you can do. Yeah. This is a, this is becoming a little bit like baseball, where the GM, a lot of times has more impact than the manager or the coach. Well, I can leave the team in complete disarray. They can destroy the cap. They can cause problems with the head coach, disconnects with the owner. Like, they're kind of in control. All right. So I said, I'm not going to do until Labor Day next year. I'll probably do one or two in the summer after free agency and the draft. But we do herd hierarchy during the season. And we do it after free agency. We do it after the draft.

But today I thought I would give you, these are the 12, and best is a hard word. But they're the greatest players and the most crucial of the four teams remaining. By the way, there are four wide receivers in this. Every team has a wide receiver. They used to be icing on the cake. They're now part of the cake. The world's changed. So here we go.

Number one, Patrick Mahomes. Josh Allen has some of the same skills, but a bit more jagged. Mahomes is ahead of him on the curve, more refined. He is a one-of-one. Number two is Aaron Donald. Folks, the last defensive lineman that was this disruptive from the interior spot was Reggie White. He is unblockable. What he did to Tampa's good interior offensive line was comedy.

I put Debo Samuel 3rd. I don't believe the Niners are a playoff team without him. And I'm dead serious. In the toughest division, I think he is an old school football player, is he a running back? You can put him in the slot. The way he works with Kyle Shanahan, it reminds me the late Aaron Hernandez and the Patriots. He is the ultimate chess piece. You don't know where he's lining up. And the Niners use him brilliantly. He can be out of the backfield, out of the slot. You can put him out wide. You put him on a jet sweep. I think Debo Samuel, if I started a

franchise today, no quarterbacks counting, he may be my first pick. I, maybe I'm going over board. I love this kid. Number four, Cooper Cup. When you find a corner that can defend him, call me. He makes Pro Bowl corners look lost. Again, you can use him in so many ways, great hands, great routes. Number five, Joe Burrow and six, Matt Stafford. I put Burrow ahead of Stafford because he's done something Matt couldn't. Both ended up with a chronically losing franchise. Burrow turned it around immediately. Stafford never could. Number seven, Jamar Chase. again like Justin Jefferson of the Vikings. Good luck.

Most of the time, I'm not sure if he's open or you throw it up and he makes it open. A remarkable once in a decade franchise talent. Trent Williams 8, folks, when you're sending your tackle in motion, he may have had one of the great tackle years in league history. He was banged up at the end. Again, in that system, he is so valuable for Kyle Shanahan. nine and ten Travis Kelsey Tyreek Hill they're both great

flip a coin and then I put new Niners at the end I think Fred Warner's the best most dependable athletic linebacker in the NFL and Nick Bosa's healthy he leads a defensive front that reminds me of the Niners defensive front several years ago that got to a Super Bowl by the way Chris Jones was next

Jalen Ramsey was next although he had a bad week and then I put Vaughn Miller up there I know I'm missing people I'm missing great people but a lot of these like Debo Samuel to me, is he as great as Jemar Chase? In the Niners system, he is maybe outside of Mahomes, in my opinion, the most valuable offensive piece. I think he is a fascinating old school football player. I mean, when he got hurt against the Packers, that was the moment I'm like,

okay, it's over. Like if he can't go back in, they can't move the football. All right. And with that, Rick Spielman was a GM for 10 years with the Vikings. He won the, this is pretty remarkable. won that division with Aaron Rogers four times, six playoff appearances, drafted Justin Jefferson, Adrian Peterson, Dalvin Cooks, Stefan Diggs, and here's Rick Spilman, former Viking GM joining us. So what'd you make in my list? Was it a bunch of nonsense? What'd you make of it, Rick?

No, I thought it was good, but the thing that stuck out to me the most that I was looking at on your list is those four of those top 12 players were San Francisco 49ers that had the most on your list, which was interesting. since they seem to be the underdog, if you want to call them that, or the team that may not have as much talent at the quarterback position as the other teams do, but yet they have the most on your list as far as a number of players. Let's start with this. You had to hire coaches, and I said, if you look around the league,

Belichick now, Sean McDermott, they can't stop top quarterbacks. Like the best defensive guys. Mike Zimmer, I said this until the day it was over. I said, I think Mike Zimmer's a really good coach. But I don't know if it's fair, Dan Quinn. I think there's a ceiling. You tell me, you look around today because you'll be a GM somewhere else. It's almost that you have to interview.

I mean, you really have to go into the interview process, Rick, don't you thinking, boy, I'd like to find an offensive guy? I think the number one thing you're looking for is that head coach has to have a relationship with that quarterback. And can a defensive head coach connect with that quarterback? Now, you know, an offensive coach is probably going to be able to because that's his job. But can the defensive coach do the same thing? And just looking back through the history here and talking to you earlier,

the last two defensive coaches that faced off in the Super Bowl were Bill Belichick and Dan Quinn. Both of them had great offensive coordinators, Kyle Shanahan. Josh McDaniels, great quarterbacks and Tom Brady and Matt Ryan when he was rolling at the time. But since then, every head coach that has won a Super Bowl, take out Belichick and Brady, has been an offensive coach with an excellent quarterback. You know, it's interesting about these quarterbacks. Aaron Rogers went to a junior college, so did Josh Allen.

Mahomes didn't have a winning record. You start looking around. Joe Burrell had to transfer. Brady went in the sixth round. You have a very good track record. I mean, you sign Kirk Cousins, but you have a good track record of drafting. And a lot of times the talent is obvious. I mean, Justin Jefferson is absurd.

Delvin Cook. And that is not to in any way, you know, marginalize your pick. They were great players. You were able to see it. But quarterback, Rick, is different. And that there's very few of these guys who went to the prep school and then went to, you know, Ohio State, and then everything. A lot of these guys, it's soul, its character.

I mean, go back to Kirk Cousins, who by the way, has won a lot of games. Is that position now, A, it's so crucial, Rick. And B, it's the hardest I would argue to draft. Your takeaway on what the quarterback position means and the ability to get it right. Well, the one thing, I mean, you can see all the physical ability. You can see how he throws. the thing that to me has always been the Burning Bush question is does he have that it factor? And how do you measure that?

Do you do it through psychological testing? Do you do it through intelligence scores? Do you go through all the analytics, which I know you refer to some as analytics? Yeah. Because there's two different ways to look at those. But there's something about all these great quarterbacks that had a hole in them coming out. but somehow they came and have had a lot of success and have led their teams to a lot of success in the NFL.

And we've went as deep as to not only look at the physical traits, try to see how they are at games. I would go to games live to see how they interact with their teammates. What are their personalities? But there's something unique about these guys is when the pressure is on. And some of these guys, you don't have to have a great hole game.

But when it's the fourth quarter, the game is on the line. It's third down. You need to keep the chains moving. These guys find a way to get it done. And you can go through all the things that I have spoken about. But truly, you have to find the answer to that burning bush question. What make these guys great? Let me ask you this.

You know, Garoppolo is an interesting thing. The Niners obviously moved up to get Tray Lance. I do think. And I'm sure you saw. Tray Lance. He played some college football up near you. He's a very raw. I met the kid a couple of times. I really liked him. I thought he worked well with people. I saw him in social settings. I thought he was strong. He's a big strong kid. I think he has to clean up his delivery a little bit. And I think, you know, the Niners will do that. But it is interesting because they probably do

move off Jimmy Garapolo. And I'm fascinated with your answer here. You're Pittsburgh. You don't really have the guy in house you'd want. Your Denver, really nice roster, feels like you're missing a bit of a would you roll the dice on Garoppolo given his injury history? Because you know what, Rick? Kyle Shanahan's record in this league is a head coach without him starting. It's not good. So like you said, there's a magic there with Jimmy. There's something there.

Would you roll the dice with his injuries? The one thing that sticks out to me about Jimmy Garoppolo is, and this may be the it factor, he may not be the most talented player in these playoffs and going into the, championship games this weekend. But his maturity level, everything that was thrown his way, drafting Trey Lance with a third overall pick, the criticism he gets from the outside.

The one thing that you really notice about his maturity, his competitiveness is he doesn't worry about that. He worries about controlling what I can control, and that's all I can do, and stay focused on that. I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen a playoff game up in, Green Bay when they, uh, the San Francisco's past weekend, that an offense won a playoff game and especially in Lambo field and their offense didn't score a touchdown. But the other thing too is that I've experienced this every once in a while you may not have

an elite quarterback, but all of a sudden something clicks that year. I mean, Case Keenham took us to the NFC championship game. That's who he played against. Nick Foles. And then, Nick Falls went on to the Super Bowl that year to beat Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. So every once in a while, you'll get a quarterback that may not be as talented as the Joe Burroughs, the Mahomes, the Josh Allen's of the world. But somehow something's clicking on that football team. And I give a lot of credit to Kyle Shanahan because they're playing great defense. You know, they turn a game over and won that game off their special teams.

They're able to run the ball. and he understands what his team does best. And he puts them in the best position to win games week in and week out. And he puts Jimmy in the best position to win games because when they can get the running game going and then they can start doing the play action and letting him let the defense is sucked up because they're trying to stop the run. And then he hits it on somebody's play action. The biggest thing that I noticed about him in the Dallas game in this last week is he just can't

turn of ball over in critical situations, especially in the second half. But they have something going that's unique from all the other teams is that they're playing as gritty as anyone in this playoffs as a team and as a whole unit. I give a lot of credit to Kyle Shanahan for that. Well, you guys in Minnesota always game Aaron Rogers problems. You won multiple division titles. It is interesting. There's some secret sauce and you found it. I want to segue to this. And we'll wrap it with this. And I think it's worth a discussion. I think, you and I'll disagree on this. I'm okay. I don't like the hokey college football over time where you take out special teams.

I think special teams are hugely crucial. They won the Niners the game this weekend. College just eliminates those. I also know as somebody who loves skiing, the two times in my life I've been hurt skiing was on my last run as your muscles fatigue, the chance for you to get hurt increases later in games. I don't like the idea of Mahomes and Alice. playing another 10 minutes they're tied and another 10 minutes they're tied. And what that does compromising your roster the following week in a playoff game.

Because I think Kansas City and Buffalo could play 10 times. I think they'd split. I think at the end of overtime, they'd be tied. So most people want a new overtime. And my takeaway is we've got to not compromise teams the following week. I want it to be fast. You probably disagree, right? I look at it and I think, you know, I've been very honored to serve as co-chair of the General Manager's Advisory Committee with Tom Telesco, who I have the utmost respect for in one of the bright minds in this league.

But I think this will come up to the competition committee and does it end up being two different sets of rules? So, for example, in a regular season, we went through three overtime games. We won, lost each of the different ways that you just described. But when you get into the playoffs, and if you lose in the playoffs, okay, you're done. If you lose in a regular season, you're going to get a chance to play the following week. So I understand how maybe you taper the rules back, and plus you've got the 17th game now that also takes in player safety. But when you're in situations like this, I think it'll be brought up, whether it changes or not, that both teams at least give one opportunity to touch the ball.

A far-out staff that I saw was in 163 games, including playoffs, only 53% of the time does the team that gets the ball first win. When it's in a playoffs, I think the record is 10 and 1. Yep, you're right. And that's over 90%. Yep, you know, Rick, it's so funny because I saw that yesterday. It was really interesting, you said that. And my takeaway on it was, in the playoffs, you have the best quarterbacks.

So when you give the best quarterback the ball first in the overtime, you're in big trouble. In the regular season, it's almost a wash 50-50, first team to get the ball wins because you've got a lot of average quarterbacks. But in the playoffs, I think that's an interesting thing to consider. You go to the playoffs, both teams get a run. I wouldn't be totally opposed to that. That's a good idea. I like that. Oh, by the way, you have a story about Joy Taylor and Jason, her Hall of Fame brother.

I want to hear this, Rick, because I know I have. have it and I'm fascinated to put her on the spot. No, Joy, I just wanted to let you know how special your family is and Jason was when I was down in Miami. And happy belated birthday, by the way. And I listened to the podcast. And I believe I don't want to admit your age, but you did say it on the air, but you don't look anywhere near what your age is.

But I remember when I was scouting in Miami, I went to an Akron Zips game on purpose because they rarely have any players that come out since you. your brother, but your brother was getting inducted into the Akron Zips Hall of Fame that game. So I purposely flew up there. I went down and said hello to him and congratulate him at halftime. And he offered me a ride back on a private jet, which meant the world to me because I knew that getting from Canton, Ohio back to Miami was going to be planes, trains, and automobiles. And for him to even consider taking me back on that plane with him to get me back that same night,

I'll never forget that. But that speaks volumes. And not only your brother as a player, and I was fortunate enough to be down there in his prime, but who and your family stand for and what type of character you guys have. Thank you, Rick. That was so nice. That was so nice.

That was so nice story. I was very nervous. I had no idea what you were going to say. And generally when people have stories about me, it can go either way. So that went well. Thank you, Rick. Rick, I loved having you on. I'm going to get you on some podcast stuff because I could talk about this stuff

all day, continued success. You had a great run and you're going to be back in this league soon. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. You bet. Vikings. Vikings held their way with Green Bay. You go look at Minnesota under Spielman. They had their day. They had a lot of wins in division titles against Aaron Rogers

and Farrv. So, well, actually, he would be Aaron Rogers and not Farr. All right, we got a lot of good stuff here. Yeah. Your brother really is nice. He really is. Yes. Not that you're not. Great too, but we know that because I talk to you every day. No, I was genuinely nervous.

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and invite your friends to play too because the more people who enter, the bigger the jackpot gets. So it's interesting you brought up the Niners in the Rams. So Kyle Shanahan, it's perceived, has Sean McVeigh's number. So the last six times they've played, the Niners have won all of those. but it's not just about winning. The key is dig deeper. Look at the scores of the games. So since Sean McVeigh came in the league, he averages about 27.5 points a game.

In the last six games against the Niners, he averages about 18. They lost 20 to 7, 24 to 16, 31 to 10. And even the 27, 24 loss, they only had seven points after halftime and in overtime. The key in this rivalry and why this game is going to be close is because the D-line for the Niners is filled with first rounders, and the Rams O line isn't. Even Andrew Whitworth is a second rounder. And by the way, the Niners have another first-round defensive linemen. They got from South Carolina in the draft. He got hurt.

He'll come back next year. So you have really supreme first-round talent on that defensive front. You add in Fred Warner and Greenlaw to meet two great linebackers. It's just a match-up problem. They can't move those bodies. And so this game is going to be really close. It's not just that they're beating McVeigh. They're disrupting the flow of his offense.

Nothing works as well. So it's not like, you know, Shanahan is the master chess player, and McVeigh can't figure it out. Just look at the scores. Nobody's shutting down him. Belichick did in the Super Bowl. And then he, you know,

rebooted some stuff. And then they rebooted the quarterback. But you've got to remember, Stafford's first game with McVeigh, he completed 77% of his throw. So this offense with Stafford, it works. But once again, like Goff, there is an issue here. Match up problems. The Rams O line, which is a little old at left tackle, which is okay, not great at center, gets pushed around.

And it's only going to get worse next year. Ken Law is the kid's last name. When he comes back, could get worse. So that's why I've said, I think the Rams have to attack. The offensive line. Everything else is fine. They really draft receiver, tight-in. They do the skill positions.

Great. They're really great. And they've drafted the O line really, really well. But if you want to win this division, you've got to solve this Niners defensive front. And if McVeigh's struggling with it, then anybody's going to struggle with it. If Stafford and McVeigh struggle with it in Cooper Cup, when you're holding this team to seven points on like eight second half possessions and overtime, that's an unmovable front. that you're just, it doesn't matter what the game planted. That's why I think this weekend, again, barring Jimmy G.

Turnovers will be up for grabs with five minutes left. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I can't wait. Oh, these games are, I'm not. And normally there's, there's an outcome that's a little like, I don't know if I'm excited to watch that.

But how great is it if Joe Burrow is in the, Super Bowl with the Bengals. Like, that's amazing. It doesn't feel, it feels like it would be too fast. Like, there's usually baby steps. No, no, yeah, but like, it would still be amazing. Now, look, I mean, the chiefs are favored by seven,

but that's like, that's not an outcome I'm not rooting for. Like, I'm not, I don't really have any rooted, vested interest in any particular matchup. I just, like, I'm excited to see it. You, normally there's like, we're excited for the games, but we really want to see this. By the way, remember you and I, I'll just put it on me. When the NFL was moving all these teams, Raiders to Vegas, Rams from St. Louis to L.A.,

Chargers to L.A. I remember saying at the time, guys, this is way too much movement for the league. West Coast NFL fans, it's like, it's just too much movement. Well, Justin Herbert has ensured the chargers are going to work. Vegas feels way cooler than Oakland did. And this Rams thing, not only did they get the coach right, not only did they get the GM, right. Not only did they get the stadium right, they got Matt Stafford right. Just go back to three or four years ago, five years ago, when these teams were all moving,

I didn't know if the Chargers... It felt chaotic. It was chaotic. But between the cool Vegas Stadium, it's got a great vibe. Herbert has changed just the optimism around the Chargers. This LA thing is humming. They have gotten all the big decisions right. Well, Aaron Rogers' future in Green Bay is up in the air. And yesterday, Matt LaFleur made it clear that they absolutely want to retain their quarterback. I think we're all a little numb to this situation right now. We're hopeful that he'll be back next year, obviously.

I mean, this guy has done so much for such a long period of time for this organization, for this city, for this team. And so, you know, I want to be respectful of his process, whatever he needs to go through to make the best to decision for himself and certainly we would love for him to be a packer and be a packer until the day he decides to retire. Well, Rogers had indicated that he would speak with Packers GM Brian Gudenkuntz before making a decision before free agency starts in March. The Packers are also trying to keep Devonte Adams and as we know Jordan Love is their current backup quarterback who nobody feels is the guy at this point. I was talking about this last night. When you look around the league at

potential landing spots for Aaron Rogers, if he does choose to force his way out of Green Bay, he doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild, nor should he want to be a part of a rebuild at this point in his career. So when you look at the teams that need a quarterback upgrade, which after this weekend

looks like most of the league. Right. But in reality, you know, contract situations and, you know, all of that, because we like to just play fantasy GM like there isn't a whole salary cap going on in contracts. Where would he actually go? That makes sense for him at this point

in his career? Like what isn't a place that needs a quarterback that would want Aaron Rogers that could actually work? Yeah, Denver feels like, because I think the Denver GM is really sharp. So I think Denver's got the roster of the GM. Now they have new ownership. I'm not too concerned with it.

It's a good stable franchise. And they don't have a coach yet. It could be one of Aaron's assistance. Denver, to me, feel And if I'm Green Bay, and let's say Aaron says, I demand to be traded, I do not think that'll happen. I think he's coming back. I don't think he'll retire. But if he demanded it, that is where I would send him.

A, I could say, okay, I don't want all draft picks. GMs do not want all draft picks. They want player. If I give you Aaron, you got to give me more than a rookie from LSU. So they have two great corners. Could they give me Fuller or Patrick Sertan and draft another one? Could they give me Cortland Sutton, by the way?

He's an expensive receiver, but they've got several. So I could have, you know, you first got to sign Devante Adams. That's the first thing I do. But my takeaway on this is Denver, I'd get him in the AFC. It would be so hard to get out of that division. I may never see him again. Privately, I would like the fact that I don't want to see him in Super Bowls.

That one works to me. But if you're Aaron, now you have to play Justin Herbert and Derek Carr. Yeah. And Patrick Mahomes. I know, but there's, if you go to the AFC, you're going to have to go through them anyway. What about this? What about the Colts? Colts is very interesting to me.

You know I love Ballard. Ursay is, Ursa can be impulsive, but all owners are. I like Frank Reich. They have a power running game and a real good defense. The division is completely winnable. The Texans in Jacksonville. It is interesting. I mean, I think they would take him because they're at Witsend with Carson Wentz.

Of course. And there's certainly a market for Carson. Carson Wentz? By the way, that's a Joy Taylor just nailed this. If Green Bay said, okay, we'll take Carson Wentz, who by the way, grew up on our footprint, you probably can't do better. If you got trapped and you go, we'll take Carson Wentz for a year, Jordan loves behind him. We may draft another. See, I think Carson went in that division. My takeaway would win the division. I think he would win the division. I think he'd win the division. And if you're Aaron Rogers are not going to

Patrick Mahomes. We're going to lead tomorrow. I mean, they want to send him to the AFC if he does move. No, you send him away if Aaron. And by the way, it would be a great fit for Aaron because Frank Reich played quarterback in the NFL. You know Aaron would respect that. It's the weakest division in the

AFC. Yeah, absolutely. And again, you put Aaron Rogers on that roster. That is, and you got a real owner. So if you have a demand, you got a real owner. Very much wants to and is very frustrated with the quarterback position. And by, hey, I'll tell you right now, you give me Wence, Kirk Cousins, Justin Field, Jared Goff,

with the Packers structure, we win that division. It's not terrible. I'll take 10% of whatever the deal is, guys. That was a really good call. Bruce Ariens recently said he would be shocked if Tom Brady retired. But he noted yesterday that the team will be looking at free agent quarterbacks this offseason in the event that it happens. Yeah, we do that with every position.

So quarterback, obviously, you start there. And again, see where we're heading and wait and see what Tom does. But we'll be doing our homework. That's for sure. I'd be comfortable, Rick, if it is, you know, I like what we have. But again, you never know what's behind door number two. We kind of went down that road two years ago and there was Tom Brady. You know, if he does retire, if Tom Brady does retire, and I'm not, again,

I'm not in the business of guessing when he's going to. and retire. He'll let us know when he wants to do that. But the bucks could look really different really quickly. They could potentially lose Byron Lefich and Todd Bowles with these coaching hires. If he does leave, Gronk, I imagine, will retire. So he won't be there anymore. I mean, I don't see Gronk playing with another quarterback at this point. He's already retired once. It's such a bad cap hit for them, though, if he leaves. If he's not on the roster next year, I think I read somewhere, it's like a $30 or $40 million cap hit. It'd be like, well, now the good news is you have a rookie quarterback,

and you're not paying him anything. Dave Kyle Trost. So you could deal with that for about a year. Listen. But look, I mean, that's what it is. Like, that's, so what? You got Tom Brady, got a championship. That's right.

You know, it's not, I'm going to be looking at the bucks like, wow, what a terribly run an organization. No. But sometimes you bring in somebody like, well, LeBron James or a Tom Brady. And you've got a couple years, you've got to bounce back from. That's the way it goes. So Antonio Brown is already lobbying for his next job. He was recently on the I am athlete podcast. And he said he wants to play.

in Baltimore with Lamar Jackson. Well, Lamar Jackson saw the video on Twitter and responded with a smiling purple devil emoji. It's kind of like a sinister, happy emoji kind of energy. Lamar said in 2020, he'd be happy to play with AB, whose cousin Marquis Brown, is Hollywood Brown, is on the Ravens roster.

But, you know, this is something that we're going to be watching throughout the offseason. Again, I don't understand it. I get that Antonio Brown was once a, well, he is a Hall of Fame level receiver, but is not playing like that at this point in his career. I mean, going to the Ravens, Ravens are a well-run organization. My only issue is it's going to turn out exactly how it is right now in a year and

half. Like that's the clock on Antonio Brown. I don't get it. I just do not understand the need for Antonio Brown in the current NFL ecosystem, which is getting Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson level players, and they start day one in the league. The league has never been more wide receiver friendly in my life. Since he's left the Steelers, he's played 19 games, 99 receptions, 1,164 yards.

He had his best season since leaving the Steelers last year where he had 53 receptions, 564 yards, and six touchdowns. He's not exactly lighting the world on fire on the field. Now, off the field, you're going to get plenty of headlines, but not the kind of headlines that you necessarily want. C.D. Lamb, Will Fuller, Chase Claypool, Cortland Sutton, DJ Chark, all have similar stat lines to Antonio Brown. To your point, there's so many wide receivers coming out in the draft. If you get with the right quarterback, you can elevate a wide receiver that could even be undrafted.

The risk reward of dealing with Antonio Brown when you just look at the numbers is basically nonsense at this point for dealing with this kind of press, which you're going to get. It is inevitable. You are not special. Every single team that has taken him from the beginning with the Steelers has dealt with this. You are not going to be unique in this situation. It's an inevitable outcome. I still think it's going to happen because, I mean, Lamar just retweeted it and essentially endorsed the idea. But good luck.

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This weekend, 81 million people in America watched Sunday football. 70 million watched Saturday. 150 million. Those are the numbers they're in. The NBA finals averaged nine. But Colin, there One game. All right, let's go to the NBA finals Deciding Game 6.

It had 12 million viewers. Sunday had 81 million. Saturday almost 70. There are three reasons why. Number one, legalized gambling is growing, and it is jet fuel for football. Don't get yourself. About 15% of these numbers are better than last year.

Number two is we had a lot of racial and political division in this country the last several years. I do believe the NFL navigated it better than the NBA did. They helped their players. They created programs. They felt like they were working together. But number three, and I think this is a big one, and I think it's the biggest one. The NFL's got cooler stories.

I mean, let's think about the NBA stories this year. Sullen Ben Simmons, indifferent. I don't want to play. Selfish Kyrie Irving. I'm not going to be there for my team. Stubborn Russell Westbrook won't be a team player after all these years of failing in the postseason. Look at those words, sullen, selfish, stubborn.

And then look at the NFL stories. Mahomes and Small Market, Kansas City. Is he like the most likable player ever? Josh Allen, overlooked, goes to Wyoming, turning Buffalo into a power. Joe Burrow takes the historically awful bingles, puts him on his shoulders. Jimmy Garapolo doubted by everybody. Folks, the NBA has got a story problem.

It's given way too much power to the players. And I grew up watching the NBA in the early 70s. It's always been a players league. It was about Dr. Jay, not the coach of the gym. I'm comfortable with that. All leagues are not the same. NBA is a players league. But labor and employees, I'm treated better here than any company I've ever worked at.

Fox is known it's very pro front-facing on-air people. It's got a great reputation for that. They'll let you do other things, other options, but there's still regulations and guardrails. I ain't running the company. I think the NBA has given so much power to the players. I mean, Steve Nash literally saying, you know, Kyr, has his right to make a choice. Privately, Steve Nash was furious.

Privately, Steve Kerr was exhausted by Kevin Durant's high maintenance. But you can't say that as a coach or you're done because if you lose the star, you're fired. Frank Vogel had to ask permission to bench Russell Westbrook one time in the fourth quarter. That's not a healthy business. I love the NBA. They've given too much power to the players. And I'm for giving. don't watch GMs. I don't go to these games. But I have a friend who's a season ticket holder.

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Number three, Saints quarterback room is a mess. Number four, Dak Prescott and those weapons with Sean Payton, now we're talking. Dak finally gets, over the last several years after post-injury, gets his guy, gets his offensive genius. Sean Payton, no longer the Saints head coach. House and Dallas, Jerry Jones is listening. He used to coach in the Cowboys system. And they need an upgrade at head coach. Just telling you what it feels like to me.

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