The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Colin talks about the "Friday News Dump" by the Cowboys about their new head coach Patrick Mahomes has yet to have a bad season One of the reasons why the Chiefs keep beating the Bills in the playoffs   Guests: Nick Wright, Kyle Van NoySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Show's just starting live in Los Angeles. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. By the way, we put it up, did we put it up on my social media, Anthony Davis, Jason Tatum, who do you want? I have said this. You've got to be fair in our business. For years, I said about Anthony Davis.

Dad, Baud, doesn't train enough. He had a reputation to solve. wouldn't play through injuries. Two years ago, something happened, whether it was diet, physical training, Barkley banging on him, calling him street clothes. The dude has given us two great years as a top five player. I think he's the best defensive player in the NBA. He's one of the few guys that makes Yokech work for it.

And so we'll get updates on the poll. You have been telling me for years, Jason Tatum, is the man. And my takeaway is then why in the Eastern Conference Finals and the finals is Jalen Brown getting MVP. He got the MVP, but who led them in points, rebounds, and assists in the playoffs. Jason Tatum, my guy. He's a top five player in the league, faux show. I don't think there's any doubt about that, except from the guy I'm sitting across from him.

Okay, I like Jason Tatum. Sure you do. Sure sound like you do. Okay, so I said, I thought this was so crazy. The Friday news dumped by the Cowboys, and then they had the press conference yesterday. Our radio audience won't be able to see the air quotes by Stephen Jones, but just watch this again. Obviously, we're also evaluating where it didn't go right, you know, in terms of, you know, this drought that people say we're in in terms of a championship game or a Super Bowl.

It's 29 years. There's no reason for air quotes what they say as a drought. I'll put the last NFC championship appearance on the screen. just in the NFC. 29 years. And then Jerry had another soundbite, and I'm not sure the point he was trying to make. If you don't think I can operate out of my comfort zone,

you're so wrong. It's unbelievable. This is as big a risk as you can take no head coaching experience. Yes, that's what the critics are saying. This is a huge risk. No coaching experience. I think Jerry is validating his critics. And with that, Nick Wright, first things first.

Let's talk about more positive things. Let's talk about winners. So yesterday, I didn't buy into the official thing. One of the things, and I talked about, because I know you're a great poker player, and I said Spaggs and Andy Reid once again in a matchup against Buffalo are better poker players. They say if they go all in on one or two hands, they always know what to do it. And I said, what drove me crazy about Buffalo is when you go into one of these final tables, you got to save your best. You got to bluff and save your best.

The Josh Allen Tush pushes drove me crazy. Now, Hessell right. They told you basically early in the game. This is what we're going to do, every single play on fourth and one. Did you feel the same? I felt a lot of things. First of all, credit to you, Colin, you called this one early. The Buffalo Bills, still the Chiefs without the trophies.

Maybe always will be the Chiefs without the trophies. And we can get to your analysis of the game. I would be remiss to not acknowledge you and JMAX analysis before the game. why don't you just pick the team that always wins to win? It would be easy. I understand J-Mack. J-Mack has dug the hole too deep. He's just like, can't say he's going to hate me forever anyway,

so I'll just triple down on it every year, eventually I'll be right and I'll be able to declare victory. You, Colin, could just be right. Just be like, ah, Mahomes and Reed, I'll just go with them. But so maybe next year, maybe when they're going for the four, Pete, we'll see. now your point about the QB Sneaks was a great one. I thought your point, I hadn't thought about it from the perspective of Jalen Hertz a little undersized, Josh Allen a little, not oversized, but real big, that it makes it almost harder for Jalen to get a bad spot than Josh.

Right. So all of that's good. But I think there is a bigger point that you're kind of making, but it's the one I was hammering all year. And it's why I found the chief skepticism so absurd all year. How many times do they have to show you that they are saving their best stuff for the biggest moment? Yeah. How many times do the chiefs have to show you that they will use games during the year? How many, during the season?

You know what we saw? A lot of men. Mahomes and Xavier Worthy, not quite on the same page. He can't get his feet down. He can't track the ball. They practiced it in games again and again and again, and then they hit it in a huge spot. During the first matchup with the Bills, Mahomes, zero rushes. During the playoff game against the Bills, a career high in rushes.

Contrast that, Colin. This is we're all bringing to the Tush Push stuff. To the Bills approach. The Bills' Tush push this season. was from a statistical perspective more effective than even the Eagles Tush Push. Yes, yes. The bills found something that worked, Colin, and just like, okay, this is what we do. Are we going to work on something new?

Nope, we're just going to go to the thing that works. Are we going to have an alternative? Nope, we're going to go to the things that works. Are we going to, no, we're just going to put it on tape two dozen times doing it the exact same way because it's so effective in the regular season. And then in the playoffs, two things have happened. One, you have given the Chiefs an hours worth of film on exactly how you run your critical play. And two, you don't have an alternative because you've just been doing the thing that works.

And so it is, I just really hope people learn from this season that on certain teams, they can't be evaluated by point differential or by explosive performances, because they are actually planning for game 20 during game seven. And certain other teams are treating every game like the Super Bowl, which is great until and, of course, you are playing a game to get to the Super Bowl and you don't have another gear. So I defended Josh Allen. He had a bad first drive.

I don't think he had the better coach or the better coordinator. I thought the best head coach and best coordinator were on the other team. Kincaid should have caught the ball. They didn't call a single play for James Cook in the final drive. Inexplicable to me. So I did feel like, I mean, even on the tush push, Josh did everything he could. I mean, the truth is, the fact that he got the ball off on that final play to Kincaid, it's a remarkably athletic play that he even got it off, even if he threw it to the wrong guy.

But I didn't put a lot of the onus on Josh, do you? So I think we might find a common. ground here, Colin. I think Josh did everything he could have on the final play while also coming up very short on the final drive. The fourth and five was dead on a rival when they misidentified the blitz. Now, maybe that's on Josh, maybe not. It seems like the former offensive lineman quarterback and, you know, football, all 22 folks are in an internet war about that play, and I'm staying out of it. I'm like, I don't know, guys.

I probably would have missed the blitz or two. You guys figure that out. Once that free runner was in Josh's face on fourth and five, he made as good of a play as you can make. I don't think it's fair to say Kincaid should have caught it. I would say he could have caught it. So that part I agree with. But the flip side to that coin is this, Colin.

333 left, all three timeouts, down three points. biggest drive your life, six plays 17 yards. That's not great. It's just not great. We can talk about, this is about Mahomes' greatness. Josh was in a position that I is a Chiefs fan. It's the worst feeling there is, which it's like, oh my God, Patrick might not get the ball back. Right.

They have the, like, you're in a spot where Patrick might not get last licks. And for Josh to go into that, and they get the first down on his scramble, and then first in 10, he has the worst throw he's had all games since the opening two throws over Shakir's head. Second and 10, he darts one essentially to Curtis Samuel. Now you're in third and 10, which set the table for fourth and five. And now, again, I think he's the second best quarterback in football. I also think if we are being fair, two years in a row, he has had the ball in his hands down three points in a game he was either favored in at home or it was basically a pick-um in a spot that he can go win. And last year, first and 10 or second and nine, he misses the guy. Third and nine, he gets rushed.

Fourth down, they missed the field goal. but still it would have been Mahomesball of a minute 40 left. And yesterday, 333 left, three timeouts, down three points on the 30-yard line. To get 17 yards out of that drive is a miss. And the flip side to it is Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs had a more successful, far more successful drive trying to run the clock out than the bills had trying to save their season. So I'm not killing him for it. but if you want to beat a legend, you have to have a legendary moment, and he didn't.

So it's interesting. Let's say Mahomes wins his third in a row. So Bill Russell had 11 titles. By the time Michael got to three, forget six, there was an understanding. We're looking at the greatest player of all time. There was a sense that they put it on his statue. Yeah. It's engraved.

After three titles he retired and said the greatest ever was, the greatest there ever will be. Nobody was like, but magic's got five. Yeah, exactly. Go right. And so Otani, even with the Angels, he didn't have to have Babe Ruth's entire career. We're like, yeah, that's better than Babe Ruth. Because we have eyes and we're reasonable, right? I'm not.

It's like, yeah. I don't know that Otani being better than Babe Ruth is a universally held opinion. But I like that you are trying to move the Overton window to. Hey, I said it. Now everyone agrees. I love the take, but I don't know that that is, you know, the consensus. But go ahead. I'm with you on this.

So Tom's got the most hardware. but there is and by the way for years and years montana had more than tom but there was a feeling the minute tom won his fourth we were like yeah it's it's but it football's weird yeah because in football it really comes down to like you know we're just going to look at tom's hardware's insane and nobody's saying Tom's less. But there is something about Jordan's game against Russell, and you're just like, yeah, I've never seen anything like that, and I've been watching basketball 50 years. Mahomes is doing stuff where, I mean, whether he's manipulating officials, throwing with his

left hand, it just looks crazy. If he wins a third straight, do you think the discussions will begin? Okay, forget numbers. That's the best quarterback ever. So definitively the discussions will begin. Now, let me say something in just the... I'm obviously a Mahomes guy. Right.

But let me say what Patrick, I know for a fact, would say about this exact topic right now. Now, if he wins another one, maybe it changes. He would say the hard part is going to be that Tom beat me in a Super Bowl. And that where the Russell Jordan thing falls a little flat is, they did, in fairness, play twice in the postseason, and Tom won both. Now, one of them, you know, Patrick drove him down the field, tied the game, never got the ball in overtime, but the league who rigs everything for the Chiefs didn't change the rules

based on that overtime. They only changed the rules when the Chiefs did that to the bills, of course, just remember. So that's a fair point. And folks be like, they played and he won. It also is crazy that if you just change one result, say if you like change the Tampa Chief Super Bowl, change one football game, and all of a sudden, instead of right now it's seven to three, it's six to four with Patrick going for five and it's like, well, this thing's over already. But those results didn't change. He won those games. The flip side is the guy has been the best player in the league since the first game he played, and we've never seen that before. He's never had a down year.

He's never had a down season. The worst year of his career. They win 12, 13 games. They lose an overtime of the conference championship game. The idea that if we want to treat his first season like his learning year, he 5,000 yards, 50 touchdowns overtime against the goat in the AFC title game, he has played six years since then. they have been to five Super Bowls.

Five Super Bowls in six years. They've won three. We'll see if they win four. And if you pull off the three, Pete, then you do have something not only that Tom doesn't have that no one else ever has. So here's what I would say. I think he's the best player ever. I think Tom is the greatest of all time. I look at those two different things.

One is more about talent and ability and one is more about accomplishment. If Patrick were to pull off a three-peat, I not only do I no longer think he has to get to eight, I don't think he has to get to seven for it to be a consensus opinion. Okay. I think if Patrick pulls off a three-peat and gets six rings, and then it's like, okay, he's just the greatest we've ever seen. And I will say this, here is the other stunning piece of it, Colin.

Patrick just played in his seventh conference championship game. he's 29 years old. Tom Brady did not play in his seventh until he was 35. So when people are talking about will Patrick play long enough to catch Tom on the ring stuff, he might not have to because there was that drought for Tom as great as he was in the middle. And I don't see that drought ever coming for Patrick. A 10-year zero Super Bowl drought seems unfathomable given what we've seen from the this player. Now in defense of Brady, whereas Mahomes got Andy Reed, Montana got Bill Walsh,

Tom had to deal with, you know, Belichick who thinks Matt Patricia's an OC. I won't go into that. I mean, okay. Again, I'm not going to, again, you're putting me in, it's like, hey, Nick, want to come on the network's best show and, you know, try to tear down a bit the network's biggest employee? Not what I'm trying to do. However, if you're going to go after Belichick, I am going to remind everyone that first Super Bowl, I think they scored the whole playoff run, three offensive touchdowns, and the defense was pretty good. And so we can say he didn't have an offensive mastermind, but that 0-1 season, you know, they did win some playoff games without getting to 20 points.

The defense that Belichick, I think, had some hand in, was probably a little helpful. Okay. Maybe a little. Okay. We're going to have a final question. So we pose this earlier. I have never, I think Jason Tatum's an excellent player, but I never bought into the top five guy in the league stuff. I said their game, I said this three years ago, there are games.

I think Jalen Brown wants the ball more. In fact, I think they move Marcus Smart out of town because he was taking the ball to Jason Tatum's hands. Jordan wouldn't allow that. The late Kobe wouldn't allow that. So I said this. I didn't love Anthony Davis' early career. I thought he was soft. I didn't think he played through injuries.

I didn't think he was in the greatest shape. The last two to two and a half years, he's been the best defensive player. He's a dominating force. You really can't defend him when he plays the way he wants to play, which is a big four. It's virtually impossible, maybe not Yokic level, to defend. So I said today, he had another monster night, unbelievable. And I said, if you're asking me today who the better player is, especially now for the next three to four or five years, I'm like, oh, I think it's Anthony.

David. J. Mack is a Jason Tatum guy. So I think he is much more intimidating defensively from rebounding. I think he is a dominant 12 feet and in player. And the other thing is I never, when I turn a game on, I always said this about LeBron. Your eyes go to Anthony Davis immediately. He is on the floor. There are offensive possessions in the playoffs for Jason Tatum. I'm not sure he's playing. Who's a better player today? Well, gosh, darn. I didn't. This. This is, what a question. Because it is, here's the thing, top five or not, what is definitively true, and you were right about is,

in the Yokic Janus Luca tier, Tatum is not. Now, is Shea in that tier now, maybe, and so call that four guys, I know Luca's hurt. And then there's a real debate who would be next. I would rather have Anthony Davis. Boom. Because I, now listen, I want to be fair here. You don't have to be.

I think that, well, no, I'm trying to just be totally honest about it. Listen, they both have performed excellent on deep playoff runs. You know what I mean? I understand Tatum wasn't great in last year's finals, but he was fine, like they, and they won easily. I think that, let me put it like this. I think that Anthony Davis at his best is better. If you told me, I know I'm hymning and hawing, but I want to give you a real answer.

The best of Anthony Davis is better than the best of Jason Taylor. Yes. I do think Jason Tatum, over the course of a season, probably adds a little more impact than AD has shown over the course of the breadth and width of his career. but AD when he is locked in because I agree with your first point. I think Andy Davis is the best defensive player in the league, and it's a crime. He's never one defensive player of the year. So when you get that from him basically every night,

when you add to it he can do this type of stuff offensively. He hasn't really fully unlocked it the way you would have hoped. I get it. It's probably a little disrespectful to Tatum, but you don't mind flirting with a little Tatum disrespect, and I respect that from you. And so, yeah, I mean, let me put it like this. Do I think last year, if you switched them, put Tatum on the Lakers and Anthony Davis on the Celtics,

do I think the Lakers go further in the playoffs? Obviously not. Do I think the Celtics all of a sudden don't win a championship? Obviously not. And this year, when the Celtics have, I think, real competition, do I think they might be better because of how they're built with Anthony Davis instead of Jason Tatum? think there's an argument there. I think that you're also going to get, man, people in Boston already, like, they've kind of given me a break for a bit. Now you've got me back on the state and stuff with you. I don't need to drown on the ship with you. I don't know why you're pulling

me into it. One of them just feels so, if you told me I have a series, seven-game series, I'm taking Anthony Davis. I don't know about five years, 10 years. I got a seven-game series, and you know who's going to be in that seven-game series is going to be a yokech. is a Janus. And it's like, oh, well, that's a, that's a whole other thing. If we're talking about, like, if we're trying to get through the people you have to get through, I understand that. You're swaying me more and more. But again, I haven't, I got to tell you something, Colin, I'm on such a Chief's Sugar High. I couldn't, I mean, you might as well just ask me about badminton. I haven't thought about the Lakers in a week. Like, I, I just, I mean, I, I'll tell you what I have done, rewatch that game three times. Oh, my God, oh, the calls, the, calls how about the phantom dpi on the chiefs that nobody cares about yeah i mean give me everybody can i i got to say one thing on to you yeah but just because it's a big platform your show fellow members of the media please stop letting the tail wag the dog it is not supposed to be that we in members of mainstream media scroll the algorithm bastardized for you tab and

be like, well, this is what people are talking about, and therefore we talk about it. It's supposed to be the other way around. We set the conversation. So this whole idea of we have no choice but to talk about the officiating after the AFC championship game. Why? Because Dove Clyman and ML football, who aren't real people populated your Twitter feed with it, grow up everybody. I agree. Not you, Colin. You've done a good job. Yeah, I agree. I don't believe in look. I think Kansas City situationally, circumstantially, is the best football team, which New England was for 20 years, and Kansas City grabbed the baton, and now they're doing it for the foreseeable future. Nick Wright, first things first is always, buddy, great seeing you.

See you, buddy. You got him off balance on that 80 Jason Tatum. What's our poll say? So, Wes, our social media maven just posted it. There's not many votes, you know, a little under 1,300 votes. Anthony Davis polling at 20 percent, Jason Tatum, at 79. 9.8%. So the audience overwhelmingly siding with J. Mac on the Jason Tatum versus anti-Dash. You know what that is? East Coast people drinking early in the morning. West Coast people aren't up yet.

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basically the Tampa offense was incredible. Now he's in Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence. Now, I will say Cohen had a bit of an awkward press conference. I know you're big on these. Here is Cohen excitedly talking about his new QB. How do we make Trevor Lawrence in this offense as dynamic and explosive as we can be? Right. We've got to build it around him as well, right?

We've got to make every part of this about improvement. And he will be a part of that process. He's earned that right. I cannot respect his toughness and mentality and work ethic more than I do already from afar. And this will all be about Trevor right now. And people don't like that? Well, no. We were saving the best for this moment.

So we have this clip. There's this saying in Jacksonville, Duval, Duval County. And here's Liam Cohen for some reason. Just shouting Duval. Oh, boy. What? Duval. Yeah, no, people didn't like that.

I don't know. I'm going to give all these first time coaches. I saw Nick Seriani wear a jersey Sunday. Well, wait a minute. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's going to the Super Bowl. This is, hello, I'm your new coach. Duval.

Like, it's just goofy. I don't know. Siriani is not good at the podium. He's not. I think, here's the thing. I think Colin will be successful in Jacksonville. He's got Trevor Lawrence. I'm surprised at how many people have bailed on Trevor Lawrence already.

Well, I think, I don't know if people are bailing, but people are watching the games and they don't see him elevated. Greg CoSell's never been a big fan. I've been on, Greg and I rarely disagree on quarterbacks. He and I are on opposite sides or close to it on Trevor Lawrence. I like him. He's not as big a fan. All right. Over under.

One half Super Bowl trip for Trevor Lawrence in his career. So he'll never make the Super Bowl. No. Doesn't mean he can't win playoff games. If his next six years, he wins five playoff games for this franchise and this thing with Liam Cohen works, I think you have to say it's a successful career. So you don't think Trevor Lawrence will make a Super Bowl ever? I think what's happened is since he got into the league, the quarterback plays getting better

and better and better. I mean, God, look at this league. This year. Caleb Jaden, Bonix, Pennix, McCarthy, Drake, May. We could have six guys that all. worked. There's the Burrow-Herber Tua class with Hertz. We're getting these classes now on a regular basis every three years where like four or five guys can play. You know, you know the Warren Buffett saying when everybody's running away, you should run in. Like everybody's

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You know, they were one of the big winners yesterday because their coach, Pete Carroll, had a normal press conference. He was not weird. This guy's been around the block, 73 years old, talked about his relationship with new Raiders GM, John Spitex. I think it's a perfect mesh opportunity for us to show you how important it is for this relationship to be at the tip of the spear for our programs. His background, his mentality, his devotion to character and football and the game

and have a respect for what it takes to make this thing strong and right. It has just hit me right in my heart. Yeah, I think SpyTech comes from Jason Light. You know, I'm a huge fan of the Buccaneers' GM. He has been his right-hand man for many years, and he was part of, I mean, Tampa's had a ton of good drafts. I think Spitech and Pete are, that's about, I kind of felt like the Raiders have been kind of just ham and egging it for years. They don't quite have it right. This is, to me, easily, GM coach, this is the best job Mark Davis has done.

Like, I like Telesco, but Antonio Pierce, I'm like, interim coach, I'm not sure. This is winning coach. Excellent GM prospect out of a very good drafting team. Worked under one of the shrewdest best drafters in the league the last 10 years. I like it a lot. Who is their quarterback week one, 2025? Well, I told you, I would go Kirk Cousins for a year. I would, if I would draft Shadour Sanders, if Available, probably won't be.

I would go get, the Raiders have 10 picks and a lot of cap space. I would get Kirk Cousins for a year. And then I would draft. If I could, either a Jackson DART or a Kyle McCord, give it a run for a year behind Kirk Cousins, see what it looks like, and then next year's draft, quarterback draft class, is much better, and if a year in the backup doesn't look apart, then you go draft the position again. Justin Fields, if he hits the market. No, I'm not interested.

Sam Darnold? Donald or Cousins? Well, no, Darnold's better than Cousins, but I don't want to get locked in four years with Sam. So my take is go draft with your second pick. First pick, go get a weapon. Second pick, if you're the Raiders, go get. Again, there's a, I don't think Riley Leonard is a second round pick. He's more fourth.

Will Howard, I talked, is his more fifth. I think Jackson Dart. Jalen Mill Road, that'd have to do anything. He won't be available. He could be. If he's available in the Raiders' second pick, maybe that's the guy. Okay. Now, I mentioned Justin Fields because our final story is about the Steelers.

And, you know, disappointing end of the season, despite an awesome start. Owner Art Rooney the second said yesterday, he'd like to resign either Russell Wilson or Justin Fields. When asked about head coach Mike Tomlin, Rooney said, when you look at how many games Mike is won in this league, you don't win that many games if you're not a good coach. And I know he's frustrated like we all are in terms of not being able to take that next step, but we still feel good about him being the leader and still think he has the strengths that he always had in terms of being. being able to lead a team. One of our producers here had a good take that, you know,

Cowboys are starting to kind of fail to the bottom. They're headed down, down, down. And are the Pittsburgh Steelers going to be the new Cowboys just headed down because they can't figure out quarterback and they're investing in defense? Again, if Cleveland Land Shadur Sanders, who is a pocket quarterback with Kevin Stefanski, who is a pocket coach quarterback more than he is a mobile quarterback,

then I think, I think that's trouble. Steelers have the worst quarterback in the division. Again, I don't want to make it sound like Russell and Justin can't play. I've told you, we're renaming this franchise, the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are stale. They continue to lead the NFL year after year. Next year will be year number four in a row in succession.

Most money paid to defensive players. That is not winning playoff games. Okay, how's this? I had floated the idea of trading T.J. Watt last offseason. I think that's a smart move, and they're outraged by that. Well, it looked bad for like 10 weeks, and then it started to look smart at the end of the season. I'm just curious, do you revisit that? Do you say, hey, if you're drafting second, whoever you are, T.J. Watt, can I introduce you in Watt and some something?

Think about this. You're in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson, and you don't think it's viable to trade a couple of first-round picks, a T.J. Watt, maybe throw in George Pickens if he drives you. you nuts to go get Chodor Sanders. What's crazy is not taking a swing. Or running it back with Russ for the next three years. Because Pittsburgh's too good to get a top 10 pick. So you're going to have to at some point. Pittsburgh is going to be too good. They won eight, nine games, ten games.

You're too good to get a top eight pick. So what does that mean? You're going to have to at some point give stuff up. And so to me, it's crazy not to consider moving T.J. Watt a couple of first. And again, if I had to throw in George Pickens, the Steelers draft wide receivers and pass rushers as well as anybody in this sport. And remember, Baltimore got Lamar

at, I believe, 32nd in the first round. So maybe you don't have to go up if the Steelers think that they can build something with Jalen Milrow. Yeah, I mean, maybe next year's draft is so good. I mean, maybe the Steelers go up. Jalen Milro may be the answer. But the idea that it's ludicrous

to consider moving off a great defensive player and first round picks to get quarterback salt. If you let the Browns, if the Browns get either Cam Ward or Shadour Sanders, and they're both capable of, they're both franchise quarterbacks, I think.

Then you're the only franchise. Lamar, Shadur, Joe Burrow. Not to mention Herbert, Mahomes, Alan, Alan, CJ Stroud. Trevor Lawrence. I will tell you this.

Sam Darnold to the Colts to me is a perfect But yeah, if you don't have a quarterback right now, it's just like, what do we be? And it's tough to find them. You just have no chance, really. Isn't it funny that it's met with outrage when you consider saying, listen, you guys will find pass rushers? You can't pay a fortune for a safety. He's going to the Hall of Fame, obviously.

Nobody questions that. But, you know, Aaron Donald leaves, right? Hall of Fame are all-time great. Jared Verst comes in and is like, oh, my gosh. What do we have here? J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Learn the Hardway and listen now. You know, it's interesting as I watch the Chiefs, I feel like when I watch the Patriots, or it was the Michael Jordan Bulls, the part of me is in awe of the spectacle of greatness, and you don't get a lot of dynasties. Kyle, Van Nuoy, 11 years, two Super Bowl championships, is now a Raven. He had an excellent year. So let me ask you, Kyle, when you watch Kansas City, I know their arrival, does it drive you crazy or is part of you saying, listen, man, I've been in that chair, I've won those close games with Tom.

How do you view it? You know, I get really excited, honestly, just because, you know, to beat the best, you got to beat the best, you got to beat them. Like it's plain and simple. If you're trying to end something, you need to beat them. Part of me hates them. Part of me respects them. You ought to respect what they're doing.

Andy Reid at the helm with Patrick Mahomes. They've been a great team. I think it's been the three-headed monster with Kelsey Mahomes and Chris Jones. Those three sticking together, and then you can put anybody around them, and they seem to figure it out either defensively with Spags and Chris Jones. Jones or offensively. It doesn't even matter who the offensive coordinator as long as Andy Reid's there with

Patrick Mahomes. And, you know, what's impressive to me is just the amount of games they've won that are just one score games. It's gone on all season and that's what championship teams do. I've been a part of that where it seems

like in the fourth quarter teams start to shrink and shrivel away and they've done a good job of sticking to the plan. gets nervous because they know 15 is going to bail them out if it comes to that. And then it seems like on defense, they're always going to get that stop. So they got an awesome thing going, and hopefully the Eagles take advantage in the Super Bowl somehow and win.

You tell me, again, you've been on a dynasty. Now you're watching the Chiefs. How do the Eagles match up? Now, it's a green wall of talent, Kyle. They got nothing but dudes everywhere. How do they match up? You know, I look at this matchup, and I think they match up really well. Both teams can go strength on strength. You have the Kansas City Chiefs who methodically have driven the ball down the field and have come away with touchdowns. I think they're one of the top teams with the longest play drives for touchdown ratio. I believe the Eagles are the best team defending that. So then, you know, not getting beat. over the top, not getting beat with big plays, you're going to have to drive this length of the

field against the Eagles defensively, and they match up really well because they tighten up in the red area. Now, offensively, the chiefs, to me, they struggle a little bit against the run. They perform, you know, well when it matters, but Sequan's a different beast. I don't think they've faced an O line like they have with the Eagles. And then what's going to come down as the X factor to me is Jalen hurts. Is he going to be able to make the throws when he needs to? And I believe he can. I think him and A.J. Brown got into a little rhythm last week.

You saw that fourth down conversion with a go ball. It's not my favorite thing to do. But when you have A.J. Brown a true number one, it's a good decision. He came down with it. And then he had a touchdown in the game. I felt that chemistry really helped them and hopefully it'll gain traction going into this last game. Final question. One of my favorite guys, Kyle Van Nuo, you've got a couple minutes here. Listen, Lamar's great. I'm his biggest fan. The reality is when Tiger was in his prime, nobody was beating him. That's just the reality of it.

What do the Ravens do to get to that next level? You're close. I love Lamar. It was a bad day for Mark Andrews. It happens. What is the vibe in Baltimore today after another gutting playoff loss, Kyle? Yeah, I love Lamar too. And I'm sure he appreciates. appreciates you being one of his biggest fans, especially with the amount of people that aren't for whatever reason. If you just watch the tape and you watch them, it's greatness. You know, something I'll bring up, you saw the other night, Josh Allen had two throws, really weren't very good throws, and then he had another couple later on that didn't happen to be turnovers, right? and then he everyone says he played a solid game you know which he ended up doing lamar jackson

had two mistakes against the buffalo bills which happened to be turnovers in one game you have kansas city and you know patrick mohams and josh allen you know throw balls that should have been caught for interceptions they didn't in our game you know you have the fumble and then the one miss throw that happened to be turnovers and then he plays lights out before after that during the second half played unbelievable. It's just getting rid of those costly mistakes. Yep. Or the ball bounces where the team doesn't catch them,

where we take advantage of that, where we don't have turnovers in our games. And I think he'll clean it up. I think it's a learning situation. There's many quarterbacks that didn't win until they were in their 30s of their first Super Bowl. Lamar's still young. he's still getting better.

I think he's going to take it up another level. I know he has another gear. I know he has another level of play. I've seen it in practice, and I'm excited to see it again this year, up close, you know, personal being on the bench, watching him and cheering him on. Kyle, you just keep playing.

You just keep making plays. You're about mid-thold. Now, a minute left. How old are you right now? Come on. Tell me. How old are you? I'm 33.

I'll be dirty for this next year. I'm grateful to keep playing. My first Pro Bowl, a lot of people, you know, are pumped about it with me. I'm excited for all the fans that voted for me. And then, you know, my play, it speaks for itself. It's a mind. It's a mindset. Just like you feel like you're the best at your job.

I feel like I'm the best at mine. Hey, next time you're in L.A., come sit on our set. I'd love to see again, buddy. Yeah, you already know. It's all love. I hope to see you soon. All right. One of the really great guys in this league, Kyle Van Noy, he didn't know what his future was a couple years ago.

And he ends up with a great organization, did a nice playoff run. So Kyle Van Noye, good dude, Greg Olson next hour. That guy loves football. That guy was sitting on this couch that we turned into a chair. We just saw it right in half. That's what we do. And he's like, I don't know, man. I miss football.

I want to go play football. I'm available to play football. Boom, Ravens. Worked out just fine. All right. Jason Tatum, Anthony Davis. Come to your senses on that poll that's available on my social media platforms. Shake yourself, people.

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