The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Penn State vs Notre Dame

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Colin he talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films about what we can expect from Lamar Jackson as he tries to overcome his playoff struggles Preview of the Penn State-Notre Dame game tonight  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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hour two and a Thursday, Notre Dame Penn State. Tonight, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. In three minutes, Greg Kosell is going to stop by and excited for that.

We're going to talk about all the playoff games and the matchups. It's interesting. I looked this morning, J-Mack. We've got 14 teams in the playoffs. The best eight quarterbacks won their division. So it's more and more, it's becoming a quarterback-centric league.

But I think coaching matters more, experience matters more, home field can matter, weather can matter more based on, like some quarterbacks. I don't trust going into cold weather. Josh Allen, I do. Mahomes, I do, big strong quarterbacks I do. So here's the NFL Wild Card weekend schedule. I put these teams in three tiers.

So you can follow along if you're on TV or radio here. The first tier is it's kind of the trophy class. they can hoist a trophy. I think five teams can win the Super Bowl. I think it's Philadelphia and Detroit, Kansas City, Baltimore, and Buffalo. They can hoist a trophy. Now, the next class are teams that I think can win a playoff game or two. They can win game or games in the playoffs.

I think Green Bay, Minnesota, Rams, Chargers, Bucks could win a couple of games. I think Tampa's the weakest of that group, but I think they could win two games. And then there's those who have been invited, and they certainly earned it more of a participation. trophy, Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver, and Washington, I would be surprised if they won a game. So the trophy class, certainly capable of making life uncomfortable. That's not to say the teams in the second tier couldn't beat a team in the first tier. And it's not saying Washington can't beat Tampa or the Broncos can't beat the Buffalo bills, but I kind of feel like there's three tiers.

And with that, we go to Greg Kosell joining us live, 45 years NFL Phil. films. So just from the outside, I look at the Chargers, Texans, and I think coach, quarterback, and consistency on defense, bolts, bolts, bolts. Chargers are across the board. But it's the playoffs. C.J. Stroud can be streaky. You know, Chargers in big games, even with hard ball, I don't know yet. What does the film say? What are you expecting in that matchup? Yeah, I'm kind of looking at the Chargers. Oh, Texans D, believe it or not. You and I have spent a lot of time talking about Stroud this year.

We'll put that aside for the moment. But I think that the Texans are a really interesting defense, because over the last many years in sort of the NFL history, so to speak, what are the two positions that everybody says that are premium positions on defense? Edge, past Russia, and corner. And those are two positions that the Texans have really quality players. They've got Hunter and Anderson on the edge. They've got Stingley, who's a top three corner in this league.

Now, he doesn't necessarily match up. He almost always plays left corner, and the rookie Lasseter's had a terrific season. Where they're hurting is they've lost their two slot corners. So now they're sort of working with someone they picked up, Brian, who got cut by New England, and he's been playing slot corner. And the reason I mention that is that's predominantly where McCaffrey, McConkey, lines up, Ladd McConkey. Mokonki's had an outstanding year, and I'm just curious how that's going to play out, because the Texans do like to play man coverage.

Yeah. All right, let's talk Denver going into Buffalo. Buffalo is a big favorite for a reason. What I want to concentrate on is Bo Nix, because rookie quarterbacks don't do well in the playoffs, first game, especially on the road. Bo Nix against Buffalo's defense. Could he succeed? Could he move the chains?

Yeah, you know, that's really interesting about the Bill's defense. That's my concern in the playoffs for Buffalo, to be honest with you, because they don't really have a dominant pass rush. Von Miller's had some good snaps in recent games, but he's not going to play 40 or 45 snaps in the game. Their secondary, I think, has some questions. Now, they do get their two starting safeties back in Hamlin and rap, but it's not a great secondary. So I'm just very curious to see how this plays out, because I think that Denver can have some success throw away. the football. Now, the issue for them is they've not been able to run the ball with consistency. But I will say this, Colin, the other side of the ball is not being talked about a lot.

We know that Josh Allen can be special. We know that their offense in any given game can put up 30. That's what they averaged. But this Denver defense is very, very good. And they've got a lot of really good players. They're very good up front. And they've got a really good corner and Sertan and a really good safety combination that a lot of people don't know about in Locke and Brandon Jones. So this game, I think this game could be. I mean, I could be wrong. Buffalo could win 3510 and no one would be surprised. I understand that. But there's a part of this game that really intrigues me that thinks it could be a close game. So I think Philadelphia's got the best roster in the NFL, and I think one of the ways to beat them is to keep that

dominating O-line Sequin Barkley off the field. You're not going to beat... I mean, you've got to move the chains against Philadelphia because if you give Sequan and A.J. Brown and hurts, and that O-line can just suffocate you. It's a little bit like playing Detroit. The best way to beat him is don't let that O-line

control the clock, the game, and the tempo. How does Green Bay's offense match up against the Eagles defense? And this is where you go into the weeds a little bit, because what will Green Bay do in terms of personnel. Because keep this in mind, the Eagles defense has been really, really good, and that's one reason the Eagles can play offense the way they have all season long, because they've not really won a lot of games big, and they've not been ahead big in a lot of games going into the

fourth quarter. So defensively, what have they become? They've become a nickel defense since week five, I believe it was, when Cooper Deghine became the slot corner. They play about 85% of their defensive snaps in nickel. That's who they are. So the question is, will Bay, now that they have two really good tight ends, Kraft has been really good and Musgrave is back, and Musgrave was considered a better prospect than Kraft. Will the Packers

play a lot out of two tight ends, Colin, and see how the Eagles play. Will the Eagles play with their nickel where they want to play? Or will they go with their base defense and take Dijin off the field, which is not how they really want to play? I think that's something to look at early in this game

because that will dictate based on what you said, if they can control the ball with their run game, which I think they need to do. Both teams are run-based. Yeah. So I like Tampa to beat Washington, and one of the reasons is I think Washington will have trouble running the ball, and I think they'll have trouble stopping the run. So to take a rookie quarterback on the road without much of a run game, and I think Baker may feel, I just, I look at Tampa's run game, and I think not Baker, not Jaden, I think the Buck's run game is, the story of this game.

What say you? Yeah, and I think that's fair. See, the Bucks have become a really interesting offense. They run a lot of plays because Baker Mayfield has the third most dropbacks in the NFL of any quarterback, yet they run the ball really, really well. Irving has been kind of a revelation. I mean, I really liked him coming out of Oregon, but he's five, nine and a half, 192, and I'm not sure anybody.

I certainly didn't think he could carry the ball over 200 times as a rookie, and he's done that and he's been really, really good, and he's dynamic and explosive. Their run game is really good. Now, the commanders do have a very good defensive front, so that's a definite matchup in this game. But the other thing that really strikes me about this game, Todd Bowles, since about week 12, we know he blitzes, but Colin, since week 12, he's blitzing like crazy. Now, Jaden Daniels has been very good against the blitz, but that doesn't deter Todd Bowles. He doesn't care who he's playing against. So I think that's a real critical matchup in this game. How are the

commanders handle the Buck's Blitz concepts? So the game, the Monday night game, J-Mack loves the Rams. And I will admit Darnold struggling against Detroit gives me some pause. I guess here's

my feeling on Minnesota. I love the coach. I love the quarterback. I love the receivers. I don't necessarily love the O-line. I think they're well coached, but I don't think their personnel's great. The Rams are at home. I think they've got a more stable, talented team unit to unit, whereas I think there's some stars in Minnesota, but a few holes. I'm kind of interested.

Ram's Young Defensive Front is healthy, twitchy, and I kind of think they match out well with the Vikings O line. What do you think? I agree a thousand percent, and the tape shows that. The Vikings O-Line has struggled throughout this season in past protection. And Darnold, one of the reasons he's become really good this year is he's willing to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball late in the down with bodies around him. But this Rams D-Line, particularly their sub-front, where they have Turner and Fisk inside, young inverse outside.

I think that's going to cause problems for this Viking. King's O line. And you could make the argument that right now as a rookie, that Jared versus the best speed to power Russia in the NFL. Wow. He's going to give problems to this O line. So that to me is it'll be an overlooked element of this game because everybody, of course, focuses on the quarterback and the skill players, but I think that that could be where this game is won and lost. You know, one of the things, we were talking about the Chicago Bears earlier, and I said, listen, you got to maximize as much as you can, Caleb Williams, but it can't just be about

Caleb Williams. Joe Burrow didn't make the playoffs because they're too quarterback-centric and they're bad other spots. And I look at Baltimore and Lamar wins the MVP and what do they do? They go get him Derek Henry. They don't say Lamar, we want more of you. They're like, you know what, we want this to last a long time. We want to be a little less Lamar reliant. That's why I respect the Raven so much. So I want to talk about Derek Henry, not just Lamar, here against the Steelers because I love an organization that has a superstar and doesn't make him put the Superman cape on every week. I think Ball, I think Lamar completed 10 passes once this year and they won a game. I love that. Let's talk Derek Henry Ravens Against the Steelers.

Which is a lot like the Eagles, too, and that Jaylen Hertz hasn't thrown a lot of balls in a lot of games. So you talk about Derek Henry. You know, they lost once to the Steelers and they just didn't give the ball to Henry very much. The second time when they won. they did. You know, I think if you talk to Todd Monkin, he'll tell you that Henry is the key to what they do. Now, we know how great Lamar is. That's no knock on Lamar Jackson. He's had his best year, and he's an unbelievable player, and he dictates many things defensively. But you could argue that Derek Henry is really the starting point, and when they give him the football, everything works off that, and their run game is extremely multiple. So Henry has been terrific.

I mean, in any other year, the fact that he gained over 1,900 yards, no one's even talking about that because of Sequin, deservedly so. But 1900 yards isn't bad either. So it does start with him, but I think Lamar has in many ways improved this year as a passer. And when I say that, you can look at the numbers. We know the numbers. They're great. But I think there's things I look for when I watch tape that tell me whether a quarterback is playing at a high level. And there's examples of that.

And actually, we've seen it throughout the year. We can go to the play right now if you like, because that's a group. There's a great example of it, and it was from last week. I mean, this is a touchdown. He threw to Andrews. And it just, you know, you see it now. It looks, hey, good throw, pretty routine. But this was not in the least bit routine as a throw.

And what you're going to see here is you're going to see Jackson. He's in the gun. They're in 21 personnel, which means they have Ricard on the field, okay? And there he is. So they have two backs, because he's essentially a back, and they've got Andrews here. and he's split, the single receiver split to one side of the field. And he's going to run a corner route, okay? And they run this a lot with him in the red zone.

Now, what they're going to do is take Mitchell, who's a very fast back, he's going to run into the flat. So it's really a two-receiver route to that side of the field. Now, look at Lamar sees. He sees a post-safety. He knows that that safety will not be a factor at all on Andrew's corner route. He's not going to get there. So he knows now that he's got the matchup that he likes.

Andrews versus Delpit, the safety for the Browns. Now, Delpit's a very good player, but you know he'll take Andrews one-on-one against any safety in the league, certainly in the red zone. So as this play develops, we stop it right here. This is where Lamar has made the decision to throw the football. Okay. Now, he sees this. He's not going to throw it right there. He's going to throw it to his spot, but he's made the decision to throw the football.

So this is about timing, this is anticipation, and now it requires really precise ball location. And this is really what you look, because look at Delpit now where he is in relation to Andrews. He's outside of Andrews. But Lamar knows with Delpit's body turn that way, Colin, he cannot play this throw. So he throws this ball. This is the kind of thing you look for when you study quarterbacks, these kinds of throws. and the ball location is absolutely precise. It's perfect, and you get a really good look at that from this angle.

So these are the things you look for. Most quarterbacks can throw to guys who are open. Throws like this really dictate how a quarterback's playing. Lamar's made more of those kinds of throws this year than ever before in his career. Yeah, my staff just wrote down that Zay Flowers has been ruled out, which I don't love, because I do think... Not a surprise. Yeah. He can be a little hit and miss.

There's some drops, but he has added an explosiveness, which I think is an element. Baltimore is no fun to play. The quarterback's the fastest guy in the field. There are just no fun to play, and that's why I – By the way, I want to ask you one big, broad question. And I want to go back to Harbaugh and the Chargers, again, and we can show some video and talk about this. But defensively, it's the same darn team. You know, they added Alt.

and Ladd McConkey, and they got a couple of fifth round corners out of college. How in the world has Jesse Minter taken the same personnel, and they've gone from 32nd to first? What is the film say on the Chargers' revelation on defense?

He does a lot of different things. For instance, they're a big team playing what we call Big Nickel with three safety, so they take Derwin James, and they basically have made him a multi-dimensional, dimensional movable chess piece, and he is a dynamic player who can pretty much do anything on the football field,

and he's become foundationally a very important piece. Then one player who was there last year, Colin, and you know him from USC, Tui Polo, too, he is a really, really good football player, not talked about enough, another player that can line up inside, can line up outside, you can stand him up in the middle of your defense. He's a really, really good player who doesn't get talked about enough because Bosa, Mac, James, but they just have some players who are multidimensional. multipositional and can really affect games.

Yeah. Greg Kossel, 45 years at NFL films, never gets old. Great seeing you again. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. You've just seen, this has been the year of many things, but I think it's been the year where quarterback importance has really taken off. Eight for eight, best quarterback won their division. I also think you have gotten such examples of, like we always knew coaches were important.

But there's a reason coaches now should be making $15 million a year. Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, that's what they, I mean, when Belichick and Brady, for years and years, we always thought it was kind of 50-50 thing, is Denver should not be in the playoffs. And I like Bo Nicks. Sean Payton got them into the playoffs. The Chargers should not be this good defensively. offensively they're good they're not special they lack some speed and consistency they they're not quite as dynamic at tight end or running back or receiver as you'd like but boy this

i mean you talk about between haribor and sean peyton uh the level of coaching is and and it's and let me just let me just throw in dan campbell the fact that 18 different guys on the i r for detroit 12 on defense and yet they've held up very well I look at Detroit, not just as the head coach, but the staff of Campbell, Aaron Glenn, and Ben Johnson, that is as good as... And by the way, in Minnesota, pick for fourth. Brian Flores, Kevin O'Connell. You're seeing this year, you're seeing a big gap in coaching in this sport. Good stuff today.

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is no knock at coach or Notre Dame, but I think everybody should be in a conference. I think everybody should play a conference championship game or no one should play a conference championship game. I think everybody should play the same number of conference games. The truth is I disagree with this, because college football and college basketball are uniquely quirky, and they're not the NBA, and they're not the NFL. I mean, let's be honest. We let a Mountain West team into the playoff. Really think they're one of the 12 best teams? Nah, it's kind of part of the sport.

College basketball. We put teams in that I couldn't find on a map. Do I think they're one of the 68 best teams? Nah, but we just sort of let them in. Notre Dame is different. They have academic standards that other programs often do not. Many players going to other fine universities can't get in or handle the workload of Notre Dame.

Notre Dame doesn't need your money. Notre Dame doesn't have to be part of your conference. And I'm okay with that. Between their donors and national alumni, they play at a different level. Not everybody has to be homogenized. That's one of the problems with pro basketball. All the teams play the same. I like an independent.

BYU is an independent. You have service academies. You have Notre Dame. Not everybody has to be jammed into a mass. massive conference. And by the way, this has always been a sport of have-and-have-nots financially. I mean, you can go back to the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s. It's overwhelmingly outside of like an Oregon. It's mostly the same programs at the end of the year. So I like Notre Dame's independence. I think they have standards that are above many of the other schools. I think

college football is better with Notre Dame flourishing. Joel Clatt earlier today stopped by and talked about the cries that Notre Dame should join a conference. You can understand why coaches would want them in a conference. I think that conferences inherently are more difficult than being independent, although with their scheduling partnership with the ACC, it kind of depends on how that league is going. It was not very good this year. And then the other side of this would just be the financial impact.

And Notre Dame and people around Notre Dame have told me that their independence is vital to the way that they raise money for their institution writ large, not just their athletic department and their football program. So that is a big piece of this. It's important to them on many different levels, including the donor base, feeling like their dollars really matter. Also, yes, Ohio State next year, I looked at their schedule. It's much tougher than Notre Dame's.

Okay. You know, that's the reality of it. But also, Notre Dame in this new format currently, can never get a buy. So Notre Dame could run the table and they'd still have to play an opening game. So whereas Oregon may have had a tough opening game, but they got a buy. So Notre Dame, according to the new format, Notre Dame never gets a buy. And so I just, again, independent movie studios, independent bands, independent teams,

independent political candidates to me are vital for certain companies and entities. in industries. And I like Notre Dame not having to bow down and be part of every conference. Do I think they fit the Big Ten? Absolutely. There is no question academically and athletically. I think they fit the Big Ten not only in the geographical footprint, but they fit the conference. But the fact that they're like, yeah, they're not that interested.

Oregon and Washington were pleading to get into the conference. And Notre Dame's like, yeah, pass. that's why they're Notre Dame. That's why they're different. They don't beg. And financially, they don't have to borrow. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. We touched on the Jalen Hertz Concussion Protocol earlier. Well, how about his opponent at quarterback, and that's Jordan Love? Everybody's curious in this Fox Wild Card matchup, how healthy is Love going to be? He's got an elbow injury he's dealing with, limited at practice. And then he said, and maybe this is games and ship, we'll see. I'm hopeful.

What? Malik Willis has also been limited with a thumb injury. Eagles, four and a half point favorites at the link. Your thoughts on Jordan Love? I think it's a tough spot for Green Bay. I think they could beat Philadelphia if everybody was healthy and it was in Lambo. But I think Jordan Love is still an assessment. player. I don't think he's a finished product. I feel like there are certain players,

like Justin Herbert, I felt by the end of his first year, I kind of had a finished product. Like I just thought he had so many college starts. I kind of feel with Bo Nix, I'm getting close to a finished product. Jaden Daniels, I feel with Jordan Love, it was Utah State, it was second tier football, came in and sat, still doesn't have a ton of starts. I feel like he's an ascending player, and I, at this point, I think this is a tough spot for him. But I will say, if anybody could get hot, he hasn't been turning the ball over. If you told me there was an upset this weekend and it was

Matt Lafleur beating Nick Sariani and Jordan Love went off, I would not be shocked. Has Love been a top 10 quarterback this year? I think I consider him a top 10 quarterback in the league. But this season Well, I mean, you could argue

Holmes wasn't a top 10 quarterback for much of this year outside of the winning. Oh, look at that. Interesting. Well, I don't live in the moment. I think Jordan Love's size, arm, What do you want to live in the past? I like to live in the future. The present is the best place to be.

Next up is Brock Purdy. Oh, boy. I hope everybody's ready for like two and a half, three months of Brock Purdy extension talk. John Lynch says he's their guy, Kyle Shanahan. Here he is talking about Brock Purdy, the leader of the Niners. Brock is the leader of our team. I've loved these three years with Brock. I plan on being with Brock here the whole time I'm here.

So, like, Brock's been a stud. He's a guy got a lot of confidence in and just as a human. But it starts with what he's down to the field these last two and a half years. And capable of winning a Super Bowl with him. We just almost did. And I know he's capable of getting the Niners of Super Bowl in the future. Okay. You're not feeling it, huh?

I like the plan on. I don't want to be known as a hater because I think he's a franchise quarterback. I just, well, I think he's good enough to be a franchise quarterback. I just don't think in a world of Lamar and Herbert and Alan and Jaden, and I don't think you're going to hoist a trophy, but I think he's a franchise quarterback. He was seconds away from hoisting the trophy last year against the cheese. So let me ask you, who gets a bigger bag this offseason? Brock Purdy or your guy, Sam Darnold?

Well, Sam Darnold will probably be franchised, so Brock Pertie. I don't think the Vikings are Unless he puts up a stinker You mean like he does in week 18 18 of 41? Come on Buck 66 with the Tiger Woods shanked in his prime A couple of drives

Not on 18 on the Masters Because that's what that was last week for Sam Darnold Right? Come on Okay, fine, fine Yeah, right Rock 40 anyways, let's wrap it up with Josh Allen He's gunning for his first

Career MVP Award and listen, he's been amazing this season, partially thanks to OC Joe Brady, who took over in the middle of last season. Brady is one of the names floating around for head coaching jobs, and Alan was asked about his impact on Buffalo. He hasn't done anything for us. The team should stay away from him.

He's been fantastic. You know, coming into a situation last year that's not easy to switch play callers mid-year, and he came in. And, you know, from that day on, if you look at our splits, our success that we've had as a team, you know, it's noticeable.

So he's one of the most positive guys in the building. He's always got juice and energy for the guys. I think that's something that we love and appreciate about him, and he's as real as they come. I don't know if Brady's going to get a head coaching job. He will not. Well, well, what about New Orleans? What about them?

I think New Orleans is going to take Tampa's OC and weaken. Oh, Liam Cohen. I think that it'll weaken the bucks as it strengthens down. Well, Canal has started to turn it on at the end of the season in Carolina. It takes some time. So listen, I'm not bashing Brady. He was awesome right at LSU with Burrow. He's awesome in Buffalo with Josh Allen.

What do Burrow and Allen have in Commoncom? They're really ridiculously talented quarterback. What happened when he didn't have one in Carolina? Everybody got runoff quickly. Like, if you have a quarterback, you're going to be successful, right? Well, that's what I say. That's what I say about your buddy Ben Johnson. What coordinator couldn't move to change with the Lions running backs,

O-line, tight-end, quarterback. I mean, you guys are all... That's why he's talking Patriots or Bears, and not Jets. Right, Ben Johnson? I mean, I just think we've... I'll contend that the most amazing, on resume, the most amazing coordinator, Detroit's the defensive guy,

who is missing half his starters for the year, and yet they're going out and putting a hammerlock on people. But I understand offense is clever and hook-in-laderal. Don't downplay hook- And ladders. Come on. Those are, do you know how cool those plays? Oh, they're fantastic. But it's like, you know, they are one play. It's like a hole in one in the golf tournament. It's awesome. You know how often the guy that gets the hole in one on Thursday wins the tournament? Almost never. Yeah, but come on. The hole in ones, you can't duplicate that. They've duplicated the hook and ladder.

All throughout the season, teams can't stop it. They're running in a midfield, third and 12 hook and ladder for a touchdown. That's the stuff dreams you're made of, man. What you can't duplicate is Detroit's offensive roster. You can't duplicate that. It's difficult. They got like six guys that may get Hall of Fame votes. Six? Center.

Left right tackle. Goff will. I mean, uh... Excuse me. What? Jared Goff's going to get Hall of Fame votes. If they go to the Super Bowl, he's in his second Super Bowl, go look at Jared Goff's numbers.

I think you'd be shocked how good they are. Jared Goff in his prime. I just caught off farther. I have not given an ounce of thought. Jared Goff is in his prime. He's going to stay behind. behind this O-line for four more years. You go look at Jared Goff's numbers.

So, wait, Eli Manning, let me just go back. Hey, Dan Fouts, no Super Bowls in the Hall of Fame. Jared Goff's putting up Dan O numbers. So Eli Manning, two Super Bowls, is he going to be a lot? Yes, absolutely. Okay. I'm just saying, you start looking at Jared Goff's numbers. Taking two teams to a Super Bowl if he gets there?

Do you have Russell Wilson Hall of Fame? No. How many Super Bowls he's been to? Two. It's not all Super Bowls. It's not all Super Bowls. Russell has good numbers. Come on, man.

He's the playoffs every year. I just say you asked me would I put him in the Super Bowl, and I said no. Hall of Fame. Or Hall of Fame. I said no. And I'm not saying that with Jared Gough. I'm just saying he's got four more because he's not a run around get hurt guy. And the old line, he never gets touched.

He's going to put up. He is going to put up for the next four years. Jared Gough's going to put up silly numbers. It will. Yeah. See, this is what so fun about working with you sometimes. You just said something so crazy. I was like caught off guard.

You think it's crazy? And now I'm like, you know, there's maybe. You don't think Jared Goff's going to get Hall of Fame votes? I mean, everybody out. Ken O'Brien's got some Hall of Fame votes on. Well, Ken O'Brien had a good year. He had a good run in the 80s for my Jets. J-Mack with the News.

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So, you know, there's a story out there today, Ian Rappaport saying, among others, that it looks like Mike McCarthy will stay with the Cowboys. And this has been my take, is that Mike is not a hip, young, offensive guy, nor is he a big prominent alpha. And those are the kind of two coaching groups we all love. But I thought we'd play blind resume today with Mike McCarthy to give you some sense of how accomplished he is. And I said earlier this week, he's won with legends. Brett Favre. He's one with higher maintenance quarterbacks, Aaron Rogers. He's one with

highly compensated good, not great, DAC, and he's one with backups, Cooper Rush. He's a darn good football coach. So let's play blind resume. We'll put Mike McCarthy up on the left. I'll try to talk this through for our radio audience. So on the left is Mike McCarthy with eight division titles, 11 playoff wins, and a Super Bowl. On the right, we don't know who this is yet. He has fewer division titles, far fewer playoff wins, and similarly one Super Bowl title. Who is that coach? I am guessing.

Here we go. Mike Tomlin? Mike Tomlin, there you go. All right, the next one. Mike McCarthy has a 61% winning percentage, eight division titles, and 11 playoff wins. He is slightly ahead of

the coach on the right, both tied with 11 playoff wins. So he would be viewed as the slightly more successful coach. Who is that coach? Bill Parcells, to me, one of the three to four best coaches in the history of the sport. Bill Parcells.

Let's put up Mike McCarthy's career. Winning percentage, division titles, playoff wins, and Super Bowl titles, all superior, all somewhat, I mean, division titles, almost three times as many, to Kyle Shanahan. Now, look at J-Mack, rolling his eyes, wincing at the suggestion that Boy Genius is not as accomplished as Mike McCarthy.

Now let's go to the next. Okay, so this one is fascinating. So they're both won 61% of their games. Mike's got twice as many division titles. Mike's got significantly more playoff wins, and they both have a Super Bowl title. Let's see who that is. Sean McVeigh. Now, in fairness, McVeigh is much younger.

But again, it looks like McVeigh is heading down the Mike McCarthy track. Okay, so I'm just asking you, I've got two more, J-Mack. Is there any of this getting a little uncomfortable? Okay, so facts over feelings. Oh, stop. This is data over delusion. I am here as America's honesty broker, just delivering the mail. Yes, sure, sure, of course.

Okay, let's do a couple more. Okay, now this one's interesting. This is a big boy coach. So this coach has a slightly better winning percentage and one more playoff win. These are, whoever this coach is opposite of McCarthy is an all-time legend. Who is it? John Harbaugh. J-Mack feels as though he's getting humbled on national.

National television. Okay, so it's just very interesting. Now, I'm giving you young coaches. I'm giving you legends. I'm giving you guys. I mean, Mike Tomlin, when you suggest he should be let go, it's outrageous. Everybody wants to bum rush McCarthy out of Dallas. Let's do it again.

So again, this is a highly accomplished coach. Division titles almost the same. Playoff wins almost the same. McCarthy, for our radio audience, has a slight edge in everything but winning percentage. This coach is Sean Payton. Anything you'd like to add to this discussion? You want some context or not really?

Oh, context. Okay. Let me throw you a little context. Who do McCarthy have as his quarterback for most of that playoff run in Green Bay? It's one of the five greatest quarterbacks in the history of the sport. Is that accurate? It's safe to say? Do Sean Payton have a Hammondegger? Yeah, you had a Hammondegger and Bo Nix? Who do you have before that? Russell Wilson? Disaster.

Drew Brees was on his second team at the time. Wait, you got Dak Prescott and Canton. Did I miss something? I mean, he's the highest paid quarterback in this history of football, I think, right? The highest paid. Yeah. I mean, McCarthy gets handed, Aaron Rogers, and then he goes to the Cowboys who are a really loaded team. Then he has handed a quarterback that is the highest paid in the sport, despite the fact that he's kind of a B2B plus quarterback, limiting the talent around him.

winning record with Cooper Rush. By the way, he got old, rigid Brett Farb. He didn't get Brett in his prime. And then he got Aaron, who wasn't his prime. But I think it's reasonable to say is Aaron's not the easiest guy in the league to coach. That's fair. But, you know, these blind resumes really, they irk me to no end. Because it's basically counting stats.

Oh, look at those numbers. And then you start to provide context. And you look at McCarthy's playoff failures. I mean, how many meltdowns have they had in the postseason, Colin? I mean, almost every year in the playoffs, McCarthy is a failure and a disaster. There's only one coach in league history that has won big Super Bowls, regardless of quarterback. Joe Gibbs, that's it. Well, Bill Parcell's one with Phil Sims and Jeff Hostetler.

Come on. That's fair. That's fair. Parcells and Joe Gibbs. That's fair. I mean, I'm sure there's others. And by the way, Joe Gibbs is a top five coach. ever I think Parcells is top three.

So I'm saying, so now all I'm saying about Mike McCarthy, we love two kinds of coaches. The cool young hipsters, the Sean McPhase, I love him too. And we love the progressive, innovative, offensive guys. Or we love

the alphas. Tomlin, Vrabel, Harbaugh. Mike's neither. So some of what hurts Mike is aesthetics. He's not young and cool, and he doesn't, he's not an alpha. He, and I said this for years

in Green Bay. He looked like a Milwaukee cop. And Aaron was this L.A. hipster, and I always said it was such a weird relationship. I also said that Sean Payton and Russell Wilson, I know both a little would not work. Russell tends to be the ultimate optimist,

great conviction for things, oh, it's always a sunny day and Sean can be kind of harsh, blunt, and it's sometimes a little skeptical. And I said, forget the style, forget stylistically. That won't work. Just like Aaron Rogers and McCarthy should both actually take credit. They don't really match up personality-wise, but both of them, both Aaron and Mike made it work for a long time.

And both, even Aaron deserves credit. They eventually rubbed each other the wrong way. But Mike gets dinged because he doesn't quite have the right marketing behind him. Yeah. When he takes to the podium, he's not got like funny. moments. He's just kind of blasé, right? He indistinguishable. That's right. Good word.

He's just nothing that stands out. Now, is he a good coach? Yes. I actually think he should say no to the Cowboys. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. I'm going to put you in the spotlight. Better coach Mike McCarthy or Sean McDermott. Things getting a little uncomfortable in the studio. It's not uncomfortable. I just need to give it some thought. I think McCarthy's probably

had more success, right? If you put the rest of it. No, that's not arguable. We didn't even do the blind resume with McDermott. Yeah, he doesn't stack up. Okay. Who's the better coach? Because I think McDermott's very respected. And again, I think Sean's excellent.

But nobody's trying to bum rush him out of town every 15 minutes. I mean, McCarthy is dealing with the most meddling owner, a quarterback that is a B being paid like an A plus. He was like runner up to MVP last year. had a couple of, in the last several years, a couple of bad drafts in a division with the most aggressive, deepest roster, Philadelphia. Listen, McCarthy, I'm not trying to run him out of Dallas. I think he shouldn't deal with Jerry in this nonsense. I would love to see him in Chicago, but I don't know that.

So do I, I would hire Mike McCarthy in Chicago, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll. But when I say that, people agree on the Tomlin, Pete Carroll. But they're like, if you said it, and I've said this, I would hire Mike Tomlin in Chicago, Pete Carolyn, Chicago, and Mike McCarthy. But one of those three, everybody would be like, I don't know. I'm just saying he's got a marketing issue, not a coaching issue. That's fair. Hour three.

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