The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Picks that won't miss

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Colin doubles down on why he likes what the Falcons did with their first round pick He gives his picks that he doesn't see missing in the first round   Guest: Steve KeimSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Draft is done, at least the first round. Tonight starts at four our time. I think it's seven Detroit time. It's the herd wherever you may be in, however you may be listening. Thanks for Megan S, part of your day. So I defended, to some degree, Michael Pennix to Atlanta and Buffalo moving back. Again, there's certain rules in this draft. I'm a big believer in move back if you can, unless, you know, Arizona has a receiver that's transcendent.

Chicago gets a quarterback, who I think is transcendent. I think a lot of teams, I think the Chargers tried to move back and instead said, we'll take Joe Alt, best tackle on the board. I like Harbaugh's talk that we needed weapons. We look at offensive linemen as weapons, which I thought was smart. But overall, I thought most teams got it right. Little questions about the tackle Cincinnati got with eight starts. But, you know, they're probably saying job number one is to keep Joe Burrell healthy. But he's a developmental player.

Didn't love that. Other than that, I'm okay with most of it. Was this a blip with half the round going offensive players to start just because it's a weaker defensive draft? Or do you see this as like a legit trend going forward? Generally, you get to about 17, 18th pick and you run out of really elite players. I thought like Jared Verst to me was about the last, like really, really special player. Now, they'll be special players everywhere. But, you know, a lot of GMs I've talked to.

You get to about 18, 19, and then you find somebody with a hole. Like they're a good route runner but lacks speed. or they've got the speed, they're not great route runners, or they've had injuries before. Jared Verst to me feels like he could walk in as a power rush or be a really good player, opposite Young with Kobe Turner on the inside, let it loose. He could be a really nice player. But you get around 18 or 19, and that's always what execs have told me.

Then you kind of run out of first-round talent. End of that first, that's why I defended Buffalo. End of the first can be Death Valley. You're getting a second-round player and paying a first-round price. Didn't love the Niners receiver pick. it's fine. Receivers hard. Kansas City and San Francisco have missed on a lot of receivers and those are good GMs.

By the way, C.J. Stroud was doing a live stream and he almost fell into tears that the Niners took Pearsall because he wanted him. I guess he worked out with him watched state, but he loved him as a receiver. So it's just not poo-poo the pick too much. All right, so the Jets, I said this earlier last hour. This was a grown-up

move. Olu Foshanu, the Penn State tackle that didn't allow a sack. So the number one priority for the New York Jets over the next nine months, which is today, April 26th, until January 5th, nine months basically, is to keep Aaron Rogers upright and healthy. Brock Bowers would not ensure that. A wide receiver would not ensure that. Old quarterbacks need better offensive lines. Stafford went to the Rams with Whitworth, Super Bowl. Kirk

Cousins chooses Atlanta. Smart call. Brady went to the Buccaneers who had excellent interior blockers. But when Aaron Rogers went to the Jets and Russell Wilson went to Denver with battle lines did not work out. So to me you've got to make sure Aaron is upright. And old quarterbacks, I think, need

better offensive line. There's a reason old people move to gated communities. Safety, right? And I think that tight end for Penn State is he's the gate at Del Bocca Vista of the Jets. Old quarterbacks need

to be upright and protected and not be thinking about what's coming from my backside. And the other thing is, Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady have never loved young receivers. They don't have the patience for it. They want to win now. You already have Garrett Wilson. There's no reason to go get another wide receiver, a young guy. If you can have them on the depth chatters, your second, third, or fourth, fine. There's tight ends all over this draft, but I like to pick.

Here's Robert Sala after getting an O lineman, not a star tight-end or receiver. you guys know me by now O-line D-line the more the merrier you can never have enough you know from an O-line perspective to be able to protect the quarterback keep them upright

allow him to go through progression so he can get it to our playmakers and we do feel like we've got a bevy of them getting and improving our offensive line and free agency and adding to the depth in the future of the offensive line was a big part of the discussion all right somebody that was in 10 of the

war rooms of the Arizona Cardinal, probably more when he was scouting. Steve Khyme, my buddy, former NFL GM for the Arizona Cardinals from 2013 to 2022, Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger, Budabaker, Kyler Murray, Callais Campbell. So let's start with panics. I said earlier, I'm never going to bag on you for drafting another shooter in the NBA or being quarterback heavy in the NFL. People are sort of outraged by it, and I'm like, Kirk's coming off of surgery.

Right. Did it bother you? Not at all. I actually love the pick. Again, like you just said it, Colin, 35-year-old quarterback coming off in Achilles. And to me, Michael Pennix Jr. was the best natural pure passer in this draft.

You told me that months ago. Smooth stroke, tremendous anticipation, great ball placement. I thought, again, you can talk about the injuries all you want, which, again, is forecasting. I can't forecast all those injuries. But I can tell you right now from a pure passing standpoint, point the guy's exceptional. What about the money?

People say, you know, I said my bigger issue is Dak Prescott getting $380 million, not Kurt getting $180, right. It's a heavily front-loaded contract. Does that mean probably, listen, after a year, I would say year one is Kirk. But what if at Thanksgiving,

Kirk goes down, has a bad stretch? Would you go with Pennix? Absolutely. I mean, look at the money that the Denver is eaten with Russell Wilson. I mean, there's business decisions you have to make. again, there's no better problem to have than a young quarterback being successful. Yeah. So now, J.J. McCarthy, I didn't love him.

I think he'll work in Minnesota. The draft illustrated that there wasn't this wild scramble to move up. Even Minnesota moved up. There were a lot of smoke screens in this draft. Harbaugh, best quarterback, got to go number one. That's just Jim wanting to create urgency so he can move down. In the end, didn't the draft tell us? that more people like Pennix than J.J. McCarthy?

I don't think there's any question. I mean, to me, it just showed what the real market was. And I think that that's the thing that we do as the media. We create some of these thought processes when in reality you watch the tape, and the tape tells you what a player is. And to me, again, just based on instincts and the feel for the game, Michael Pennix Jr., as far as the pure passing skills, was exceptional, and really fits in what the NFL is looking for.

J.J. McCarthy is a winner, though. You cannot hide from the fact that he is a winner. he operates the offense at extreme high level. I know people talk about system quarterbacks. To me, a system quarterback is a lot of guys that operate at a high level. And if J.J. McCarthy can do that at this level, which he played in pro offense in college, I think he'll have a chance to be a good player as well. Yeah, I mean, I went and looked at the draft previews of J.J. McCarthy several months ago.

They all said at this point, game manager. Yes. None of Pennix has said that. There were concerns about him, but he was not viewed as a game manager. He was viewed as a great deep ball thrower. Yes. Concerns about his underneath us. I always said, I'll take a quarterback.

I got to teach a drag route too, but you can't make Tua have a great deep ball. That's right. I can't teach that. Yeah. Bo Nicks at 12. Now, I don't know what the comp is, but I tend to think with Sean Payton, it will work. Yeah. What do you think on that?

No, I think he went to the perfect place, just like J.J. McCarthy. I think he went to the perfect offense, you know, with a great play caller. I think Sean will put him in a position to succeed. You know, the kid has tremendous leadership skills. He's another guy who's a football junkies. Dad was a football coach, was also a quarterback. I think sometimes when we get on Bo Nix, because some of his struggles previously at Auburn,

which I think is hard to do. When you look at the second round, second pick in the draft, Jaden Daniels, who did not play particularly well at Arizona State at times. So both of those guys got to better football programs, got coached in a way where they could improve their game and really help their stock. I remember this about Bo Nix.

He was a freshman at Auburn. Oregon came in with Justin Hurst, Herbert and they were favored to beat Auburn and Bo Nix as a freshman had the game winning drive late. Yeah. And I remember at the time I'm like, who's Bo Nix? In fact, I was mad. I said

Oregon, you can't lose to a freshman. So Bo Nix was a highly touted guy who, by the way, I think there's value in transferring better program, better players, and flourishing. And that's what he did. Yeah, there's no doubt. I don't love the portal, but at the same time, some of those opportunities that we've seen, like a guy like Bo Nix, I think,

It certainly has paid off. People are very critical of Buffalo moving back. Now, first pick in the second round, they have all day and all night to negotiate. It didn't bother me. Your take on wide receivers, their needs moving back. Yeah, I mean, I always love the top of two anyways, you know, because you always have that time, as you talked about, to really judge what's left on the board. Sometimes there guys that maybe slipped out of the first round.

It should have been first round picks. And certainly a lot of good players. I mean, who's to say Ladd McConkey's not going to be better than Xavier Worthy? He may be when it's all said and done. But, you know, I think probably the biggest thing that I would have to concern is here is a team that you're chasing and the bill's chasing the chiefs. And it's almost like a mind trick a little bit, that they're trading with the team that they're chasing, you know, and I'm not to say that the bill shouldn't have stood pat and

took Xavier Worthy, but, but, you know, the Kansas City Chiefs had already gotten Hollywood Brown, who's a very similar player in the offseason. So another speed guy, another undersized, sort of linear guy. You know, Worthy reminds me a little bit of Deshawn Jackson coming out of Cal. Okay, there you go. So that's your comp. Because to me, he's a track guy that's a bit small. I do worry sometimes if those guys can get off the line, injuries that you like Xavier Worthy.

Yeah, you know, again, I think, you know, for what it's worth, you know, he's a speed guy that's going to uncover and create big time plays down the field. Now, the biggest difference is is can he get gritty? can he play between the hashes? That's the real question. So the Bronc Bowers pick is interesting. So outside a receiver, the number one miss first round position is tied end. Bowers is exceptional. The Raiders needed a quarterback. Instead of moving up, they went tied end.

He's good, but that's not generally a position of need or is it? I think if you have a game changer, it can be. You know, particularly for a team like the Raiders, who took the best player available. is really what they did. You know, I know that the Raiders were disappointed because I know they wanted Jaden Daniels, and I know they also would have taken Michael Pennix Jr. If he would have fell. Yeah, you heard that too.

Yeah, so their inability to get up to get Pennix probably is a real head scratcher, yet at the same time to be able to take a guy like Brock Bowers, you know, if you're playing with a mediocre quarterback or a guy who's average at best, there's nothing like having a guy like Brock Bowers to help that quarterback play. You hosted the show last night with Jay Glazer, Levar Rob Stone, the Fox Sports Radio Draft Show last night. when you're in, I've only been in the draft room one time. You know, you go through, I am sure, five or six run-throughs on this.

Yes. Do you ever get caught off guard? Like when these situations happen, we tend to think everything's thought out, but we're, I mean, Atlanta takes penics. Yes. Did you ever have a sense of stuff that was going to happen, or were you ever truly surprised? Well, I mean, I generally felt like I kind of had a feel for. it. Yet at the same time, there was one year, I think I was picking 19 or 18, and I'll never forget, there were four players that I coveted. I mean, I really, really wanted bad.

And then at 19, those four players were still there at like 15. So I think, okay, we got a chance to get one of them. All four of those players went right before I picked. All of them. And you want to talk about a sick feeling. So I'm sitting there. Matter of fact, I was picking a 20. And then we traded back with the Saints. We took the Ian Buchanan, who ended up having a decent career early on. And then we took John Brown with the third round pick that we acquired from that trade. It was a good receiver for some time.

Yeah, you could see when Jacksonville moved back yesterday, they wanted Brian Thomas. Because Ridley left, and you could see they were praying Pittsburgh didn't take him, and Pittsburgh has a history of landing quarterbacks. So, Jaden Daniels goes two. So I thought that was the pick. Did you at two? Yeah.

Why over Drake May? Well, you know, I knew Cliff really liked him. And to me, Drake May was a guy that was in that number two spot the whole offseason until sort of the lead up to the draft. I think that Drake May maybe didn't have as good offseason in terms of the workouts, the measurables and all those different things. I felt like he was a little careless with the football, you know, sort of turning the ball over. And I don't think he took the Carolina program to a higher level that he should have for being a top-notch quarterback. And I thought Jane Daniels played just flawless as senior year at LSU. Yeah, the, you know, it's funny about quarterbacks.

Where they land matters a lot. I thought there was an argument to be made for New England to get the roster right. And then go get a free agent quarterback next year. The ghost of Brady still hangs over that franchise. They go get Drake May with a weak roster, and also he's the least refined of these guys. Does that worry you? Yeah, you know, there's something about Drake May that's. just sort of reminding me of guy like Kyle

Kyle, Kyle Bowler coming out of Cal, or even like a Blaine Gabber coming out of Missouri. Has all the physical attributes, looks the part, is a very, very smart guy, good, good upside, yet at the same time, is it there? Does he have it? Right. And to me, with the quarterbacks, if you don't have that it factor, it's going to be hard to be successful

in this league. And you knew it with Kyler immediately when you got it. Yeah, it felt like, it felt like just Kyler was just a baller. You know, he just had that sort of confidence that he was the best on the field at all times. All right. Steve Kime joining us for our radio audience. So when you look, so now you have time in your Buffalo, and you're sort of sizing everything up,

in Buffalo does need a receiver. Washington Husky still have two. I would argue A.D. Mitchell, many people like him overworthy at Texas, there's receivers everywhere in this draft. Do you think Buffalo, with the first pick, is getting calls this morning to move back? I don't think there's any question. You know, generally, and I've had the first pick in the second round,

that pick is highly coveted. And we're talking about probably anywhere from, I'm guessing, Colin, six to eight teams are probably calling to try to get up to that spot. Because there are still guys on some people's boards that are top 15 picks for them. A few years ago, I traded up in high in the second round for Buda Baker, who was a safety out of Washington that I loved. And I had a first round grade on him,

so I traded up to the very top of the second round, was able to acquire Buddha, and the rest of history. I think he's been to five or six Pro Bowls. Yeah. So, you know, it is funny how people are viewed. do you follow any of the draft stuff and the experts you're watching all this stuff because listen I think most of the time you know the draft people are mostly onto it obviously panics was much more highly thought of than McCarthy that's pretty clear yeah but but by and large did you

ever have a moment in the draft when you well you just said this that you thought you may have been on an island with a player. Like everybody liked Boota to some degree. Yeah, sure. Safety's don't usually go in the first round. Kyle Hamilton did. That's right. But do you ever feel and second guess yourself thinking, you know, I like this guy and nobody, none of these draft preview, did you rely on scouts, your intermission? What is Buffalo doing right now?

You know, I was hoping that the scouts would sort of drive guys up to me that they like, that maybe even were. And, you know, as a general manager, you want people to be emphatic about their opinion. You don't want them to just get with the herd and just do what everybody else, no pun intended, to do what everybody else is doing. You want people to have their own original opinions and that's what you get paid for as a scout. But, you know, for me, I always relied on my gut and my instincts, you know, which was the big part of it. You have to do that as an evaluator. And listen, I mean, the best quarterback in the game early in the draft process was not thought of as a top 15 pick. Patrick Mahomes early on was thought to go in a second round. Texas

Tech had some poor habits. Yeah. Was not always mechanically sound. And there some questions about him. I throw on the tape and I'm like, this guy's going to top ten. There's no doubt. Eventually, the right people are going to see him on tape and he's going to climb the ranks and he obviously did and Kansas City traded up for him and the rest is history. Well, we talked about this yesterday. Josh Allen was the third

pick. Justin Herbert, a lot of people like two or more than him. Is there anything with all these team drafting quarterbacks? The sizes are different, the shapes are different, the armed talent is different. Is there anything with quarterback? what Washington, New England, Minnesota, Denver,

like I think Chicago got the best quarterback. Do you believe that? Caleb Williams in terms of power and jet fuel. Was there ever in your career, was there something that there's a through line where you're like all quarterbacks at some point have this? Or does that not exist? No, I don't think it exists. I think they're all so different.

And again, the mental makeup is a real big part of it, obviously. And that's the hardest part to read. I mean, we can judge the skill sets, the arm, the throwing, motion, all those physical traits that we all fall in love with, the hardest part is to read is the heart and the mind. And they're the two toughest things to do and probably the most critical things to do, particularly at that position. So I think Arizona has a chance with 11 picks starting yesterday, two and the first,

to come out the most improved team. I ran into Kyler at a UFC fight. We chatted, got along great. There are some concerns like, we know he's the guy. We know it's the talent. Do you think stuff is overvalued in terms of video games, putting stuff out, not practicing. I mean, when I watch him play,

he looks dialed into me. But are those legitimate concerns going forward for Cardinal Fing? I think he's a fierce competitor. I really do. I think he's just a guy that's young and still has not played a ton of football. You think about, you know, in the offseason, he always played baseball in college. Then he goes to the pros. He had a couple good years, and he

gets hurt. So now he had to sit out, and I think that time maybe it bodes well for him, because now he was able to sit back and see what it takes to be a real true pro. And I think the Cardinals aced it. To have two those first round picks, to be able to get him a weapon like Marvin Harrison, Jr., to be able to get the rusher from Missouri, who I know is a versatile player who can play inside and out, I think they aced it as well as the two other teams who had two first round picks, Minnesota and Chicago. Were you surprised that Bears in their history took another receiver?

I loved it because I thought there's nothing better for a young quarterback than a great player like a Dunezay. And to me, I'm not saying he's Larry Fitzgerald, but he has some of those traits. Great character, great leader. he's got tremendous ball skills great in a crowd great catching radius i think they're all in and he's a really good player so ryan poles missed on a couple early receivers beelous jones chase claypool he's had a great six months um the bears have a defensive coach i was my prediction was mad eber flus was going to pound that table do you think last night i mean you know you had offense defensive coaches do you think iber flus was pounding the table because poles is now he's ace

his old line tackles. The draft, you know, Cole Commet's been a player. DeAndre Swift they get, there's been a lot of positive moves. Do you think Chicago, do you think that nine pick was settled on earlier or that Iber Fluse may have been saying, I'm a de-coach, I need to pass rush. I would think that Coach Iber Fluse

sort of was smart enough to know, listen, if one of these three receivers is here to pair with this quarterback, you can't go wrong. To me again, those top three receivers, everybody had him a little different ranked but at the end of the day, too valuable, too good of a player, too solid. He's almost a can't miss in my opinion.

Finally, Caleb Williams, any concerns at all, you watched a ton of him. I always say, just go watch the Arizona game. He'll put your, because Arizona was in a good football team. Anything that worries you about some of his off-script stuff? I just, I think the simple part of the game. I think,

again, when you have guys like him that can do so many rare things physically, Sometimes you take sort of for granted the ability to play calm and poised inside the system, not having to improvise so much, which can create bad habits because of your skill set. And for him, I think he's just got to play smart. He's got to play within the system. Don't hold on the ball too long. Get rid of it and live to fight another day.

But I think he is a tremendous talent, and he does some things that are very, very hard to imagine. Now, you saw Mahomes on tape. You saw him. what do you make of that comp? I think there's some similarities, especially the sort of the golf platform throws, the ability of armed talent,

the freakish nature to get themselves out of trouble and still make throws down the field, just exceptional. And I know Cliff had them both, and he thinks are very similar. Some people worry, Chicago's a big town, he is beautiful girlfriend,

big celebrity, USC. I've argued he's the first NIL super star, we got to get him a little bit of a pass on this, jumps into the stands for mom, the nail polished. What do you make of all that stuff? You know what, to me, in those situations, particularly if I want to be the guy drafting him, don't overthink it. There's very few Caleb Williams walking this earth.

So don't overthink it. And if you're going to miss, you're going to miss on the person, not the player. Really? You know, I think if you're going to miss, you're going to miss because the guy didn't love it enough. But that's not, to me, after talking to Cliff about him, and the way Cliff said he's dialed in, the way he competes. the way he wants to be better. He's a football junkie.

I don't have concerns. Yeah. The guy, he was all riled up last night. That was so much fun to watch. That was great. Steve Kime, see you at dinner tonight. Absolutely. All right.

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Let's start with Jim Harbaugh. Everybody's new favorite coach in the NFL. Chargers went at 5, did not trade down, and they got the best tackle available in Joe Alt out in Notre Dame. Some have criticized the pick after L.A. got rid of their top receivers. Malik Neighbors was on the board. Hardball pushed back on that narrative. I know the question is going to come up and you're going to say,

you know, what about a weapon? What about a offense alignment? We look at as weapons. That group, we talk about attacking. We talk about attacking on offense. Offense alive is the tip of the spirit. Have total confidence and trust that we got it right. And then you also got to go make it right.

And I believe that, you know, we got a great partner in doing that in Joe All. You know, first round, get the best player available. They also have picks at the top of the second, third, fourth, fifth, six rounds. They can move back on those and get other picks. Sometimes the people that cover this draft are not smart. Wide receiver is the deepest position in the draft. There are tons in the second and third and fourth round. Pooka Naku was a fifth rounder last year in a bad draft.

the idea that you just, when you get to the top five pick, take the best player available and the tackle bust rate is like 30% bust. The receiver bust rate is 73% bust. The other thing is when Rashon Slater got hurt their left tackle, now they have another tackle. If a big body, 310-pound guy's ever gotten hurt, there are chances they get hurt again, like centers in the NBA. Like, Joe Alt is the best player available in their eyes at that spot.

When, you know, generally speaking, taking the best tackle in a draft is never a bad thing, unless you don't have a quarterback, and they do. So they have eight picks left, second or third, two fourths, fifth, sixth, and two seventh. They're going to probably move down second and third and accumulate more, but there is plenty of time. The second round is a great receiver round. Great. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think the charges are going to be a. a good place. I think this is a... Not to give away too much for later. I think this is a

playoff team in the AFC and the AFC is stacked. I think they cracked the code mostly thanks to Jim Harbaugh. Next up, let's do the Dallas Cowboys, Colin. Traded down from 24 to 29 to take Oklahoma tackled Tyler Geithen. See him

here on the video. He will take over at left tackle after Tyron Smith left for my jets. Here's Jerry Jones chiming in on Tyler Guyton. It's hard with offensive well and you would hope to have a little sexiness to this pick using your first round pick and i actually thought we had that with tyler smith two years ago i think we got it here this sexy pick for an offensive line because got a lot of upside and uh so i'm excited about that

yeah i mean the cowboys have drafted pretty well with their top picks micah and cd lamb you can't you can't criticize the cowboys top picks they've usually been very very strong and Again, they moved down and got a tackle. I'm not going to beat up on that. It's fine. Listen, you got to get Dax some help. If that help is a tackle, it's help. Dax's not good enough with an average offensive line.

Now they have to go get another receiver. So Dallas is in a spot where let's go get another receiver in the second and third round, and I think they will address that. Yeah, my guess is the logic here. If we take a first round receiver again, let's say he doesn't pan out, because as you said, the bust rates high, let's just take a safe tackle, and then we could take two receivers later. That's right.

Yeah, it's just a numbers game. They did Buffalo move back, Dallas moved back. It's okay. This is the smart play. Jet slid back one pick, got a tackle. That's right. Final story is the Niners. A lot of questions about what they were going to do with the Brandon Ayuk situation swirling.

So they end up drafting a receiver at 31. GM John Lynch, he knew the questions were coming. he addressed the receiver and their situation after the draft. Brandon being a part of this team, Debo is a part of this team and a big part of this team. So like I said, we feel great about that group, and we feel like we just made it better with another really good addition to it who complements the group real well. Close the door on a trade. Never close the door on a trade.

I mean, we'll always listen and we have, but we like our group as it stands. I think they're going to make a move with Ayyuk. With Buffalo. Okay, so let's come up. Let's say, is there another team? How's this? Is there another team with a quarterback on a rookie deal who could afford Iyuk the way Houston was? Carolina.

Carolina did just draft the receiver, but, you know, you can always use another one. I'm thinking of an AFC team. You know the GM a little bit. Indianapolis Colts have Pittman. And, you know. And they wanted Brock Bowers. I was told they did try to move up to get Brock Bowers. Keep an eye on the Colts.

Yeah, and I, Shane Steichen will get the most out of any weapon. That's not a bad call at all. You got Anthony Richardson. I mean, load them up with receivers. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad call. I love Ayuk. I think Ayuk is crazy. I mean, it's weird.

We both like him, but again, when you see the money Amor-Ross-Ain-Brown guy, I'm not given. I'm sorry. By the way, Anthony Richardson's got a big arm. Brock Purdy doesn't. So I-Euk, there's an argument to great fit in Indy with Stikin and a strong-arm quarterback. The Niners don't throw the ball over the top. They just don't. It's not the, it's not Shanahan's offense.

So I could argue Iyuk's great, but the slot guy they got, the Ricky Pear saw, the kid from Florida, he's a slot guy. That's much more built for their offense than an over-the-top receiver, although he's not as good as Ayu. I don't know who's pushing this Debo narrative. There's some reporters in Sanfran that Debo could be on his way out. I just personally hate that move. I think he is such a valuable. You can't find that in the draft. You can find straight line guys inside outside.

You can't find the Debo's him. He is one of the best chess pieces, right? in the league, I would say. Oh, I think he's probably now the best chess piece. Well, I mean, McCaffrey, they have basically McCaffrey and Debo. They're two of the best. They're probably two of the best. So I wouldn't move off Debo.

I'm sorry. Jemak with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Coming up next, the three players in the first round that will not miss. And the three players, I think may. That's coming up next.

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So here's the three players in the first round. I don't see any potential for missing. One of them is Caleb Williams, the quarterback for the Bears. They have a really, really good roster. Backs, receivers, tight ends, and they still have draft picks. I just like what they have. have a deep threat. They have veteran receivers. They have productive tight ends. And their GM picked another receiver in the first round. I just can't see it missing.

Marvin Harrison of the Cardinals. Listen, the last time he had a great receiver, DeAndre Hopkins, it was back-to-back Pro Bowls. Kyler Marie is an accurate thrower of the football. Marvin Harrison can go deep underneath. It doesn't matter. He runs the routes. I think he's the best receiver probably since Calvin Johnson in the draft. I don't see it missing. And Joe Alt, I am Harbaugh in Michigan and Harbaugh, Stanford, and Harbaugh on the NFL, built great offensive line.

6-8, 320, one sack allowed all season, and Notre Dame played a real schedule. I don't see a miss there. I'm not talking multiple Pro Bowls, but I can't see Caleb, Marvin Harrison, or Joe Alt missing. The three players that I do worry about, and I look at, and I think there are circumstances, that worry me, Drake May.

Doesn't have any playmakers, defensive head coach, they just don't get yards after the catch. So he's going to have to make plays with his feet. He's not a refined quarterback yet. Defensive coaches don't tend to elevate unrefined young quarterbacks. I worry about that. Amarius Mims, eight college starts. I know Georgia's got good players,

and I understand Joe Burrow in that division needs protection. but a developmental offensive tackle in a division with T.J. Watt and Miles Garrett, that is a heck of a pass rush division. I don't like it. I didn't like the pick. Ricky Piersall, a wide receiver. He's more of a slot receiver. I think there's better receivers after him.

He makes an occasional spectacular play. He's got an incredible work ethic. Receivers, a high bust rate in the first round. And be honest with you, this is an offense that has come. complicated. It can take time to develop. They may move off another receiver, meaning people will put pressure on it. And the Niners and the Chiefs, despite the fact they're well-run, have missed on a lot of wide receivers. It is a tough position to draft. So those three positions I have concerns about. The Lakers are going to get swept. They lost game three last

night, and it looked just like the other games against Denver. LeBron James is taking some heat this morning for his comments after the third straight loss in this series. You're supposed to have anxiety and pressure and feel the pressure. That's what it's about. This is what the postseason is about. Me and this guy been playing together for six years. We've been to the mountain top. We've been close to the mountain top.

We've played a lot of games. We know what it takes to win. We know what it takes to win a championship and how, you know, damn and near perfect you got to be. That's not like something that's so crazy to obtain. I've been a part of it four times. And it's just basketball. At the end of the day, it's just basketball.

Well, when you win, it's legacy, brand building, and amazing, when you lose, hard to pivot to, well, it's just basketball. Basketball is really important. It is your brand. So we had said, we suggested, this was viewed as a hot take. Jay Mack and I said, lose to the Pelicans, rest LeBron and AD, go play OKC. You match up great. They're young. You're bigger.

You'll lean on them. And it will give the off season after you win that series or go seven, optimism and hope. When you get flushed out in four or five by Denver, Darwin's in trouble. LeBron's angry. People get defensive. They'll probably have to make a big move.

The upside to getting shelled by Denver again, it will force the Lakers to go get Trey Young, who I think fits. You've got to stop convincing yourself, basically, that Austin Reeves and Dilo are, dependable in the playoffs. They're not. And Darvinham's going to take the heat. But what you really see in this is Denver is like the luxury brand of the Lakers. The Lakers are the generic brand. Everything the Lakers do well, rebounding, Denver's better. Defend late size, Denver's better. Clutch time offense. Denver's the better luxury brand version of this.

And so sometimes in sports, you kind of try to see around corners. a good matchup. What's a bad matchup? How will it land if we lose? And this was obvious. Denver's just better everywhere. They've got younger stars, bigger stars. They have the best defender in the series. Arguably, AD's great, but AD is now relied on to score a lot of points because Delo, Rui, just haven't shown up in the series. So you're going to get a really noisy offseason for the Lakers. My guess is the upside to it. There's duality in everything. There's the upside to every bad side, is they're going to move off players who are convincing people they matter. DeLo, Rui, go get Trey, go get a dependable third star.

I like Austin Reeves. That's not it. That's not beating Denver. Some of this is, and we said before, we thought the Lakers matched up well with Denver. We didn't think they'd beat Denver. There's a reason they've lost 10 or 11 straight. Denver does everything the Lakers do well, slightly better, or significantly. significantly better.

And every one of these games has looked virtually the same. Whereas Jamal Murray may have a bad half, Deelow will have a bad game. Where Michael Porter may have a bad quarter, Rui will have two back-to-back bad games. That's the difference. The top end players overwhelmingly in the Nuggets favor. Also, you can see this. So much is being asked of Anthony Davis that he runs out of gas in the fourth quarter,

where Yokic can have a bad half in Denver, and then Jamal Murray can take it up. So you're watching Anthony Davis here. DeLo scores no points. Rui gives you nothing. So Anthony Davis by the fourth is out of gas. So you know how you solve that? Trey Young.

Trey Young gives you 28 a night. There'll be 34 point nights. So nights that Anthony Davis doesn't play well, doesn't have to worry about it. That's a guarantee. There are no guarantees with D.Lo and Austin Reeves. These are second-tier players. So Trey Young is a first-tier player that is important. Perfect. There's about six guys in this league

without a lot of flaws. There's another dozen that are excellent. Kyrie Irving, Trey Young, with flaws. The Lakers need another one of those. So how do you get a Trey Young? D-Loh, as you said, probably going to opt out, so you can't include him in a trade. So now you're looking at, oh, we've got Rui Hachimora and Austin Reeves, two starters,

and three first round picks. Is that even enough, A, to get Trey Young? And B, what's the rest of your roster? Like, the Lakers played three guys off the bench last night. Dinwiddie, Tori and Prince, and Gabe Vincent, my guy who was elected. I got news for you. You know who had the best bench in the league last year? The Pacers.

I'm not talking about bench. They have three guys. That's it. Trey, AD and LeBron. There's no room for error. Remember, LeBron and AD played like the whole season, and they were in the plan. Okay, so you're saying right now, the Lakers have three guys. What do they have now?

In the regular season. Against anybody else, they look pretty good. They just ran into a juggernaut in Denver, which they should have dumped. Against everybody else, you do realize they don't play Denver every night. They had to be in the playing games. That's a fair point. They're not great against everybody else. They're especially vulnerable against Denver, but they were in the playing.

They were in the playing last year, and they got the conference finals. So, like, the talent is there? I just, I don't. No, the talent is not there because the West. Well, the top end talent. I'm sorry. LeBron and AD. Top end talent.

We would agree. And by the way, they'll be. a year older next year. So this is not like Oklahoma City, Minnesota. Okay, what do you do? Let's solve it. Trey Young. Figure out how to get him. Make it work. Just get him. If you have to

give, first of all, first round picks, with LeBron and A.D., those aren't going to be great picks anyway. Fair? Move anything that's not LeBron and A.D. to get Tray Young. If you get Donovan Mitchell, that's good too, but I would favor Tray Young. Yeah, let's see what happens with that Cavs' magic. Because Donovan Mitchell, to me, is way more

appealing. That guy's an animal. Tray Young. I'm not anti-Donovan Mitchell. If he lands here. It's probably just too difficult. I think he's viewed as a better defender, I think. Better everything, probably. Well, you know, he can be a little bit of a hole.

Sometimes he gets, he's got a little Westbrook, a little bit, a little bit. Trey doesn't? He does too. I like his game, though. It's fun. Hour three next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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