The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Potential Movement at Top of Draft

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

The Browns and the Giants are looking to move down in the NFL draftEven Jerry Jones is commenting on the horrible Luka Doncic trade Guest: Nick Wright See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for The Herd at Fox SportsRadio.com, or stream us live every day on the IHeart radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right. Here we go. It's hour two. Thanks again, Jordan Schultz, who filled in the last week. He did a great job.

J-Mack is back. J-Mack traveled. He's not messing around. Between Jet, chat, GBT, and Google Translate. You go all over the globe. You just point that Google Translate, that app, and it can translate anything. Yeah. went to Japan and it was phenomenal, the culture, the food, the people love it.

Highly recommend for your next trip with A&M would love Japan. It is just phenomenal. Do they have good wine? Amazing food and sake. I was doing sake bombs, left and writers. Between you and Ryan, don't you guys ever just go to Vegas for a weekend? Does everything have to be like Singapore air? Been there, done that.

You know, a lot of Vegas. But I do need to go to Vegas, cash some winning ticket from the NFL season. season. Got some cash coming my way. All right. Here's the story. The Browns and the Giants, according to Peter Schrager, who used to, where did he work? Let me think for a second. Anywho, Shreggs is over at the other place. We love him. According to him, the Browns and Giants are considering trading down.

So the problem with this draft is it is a trade-down draft. Even at the top of the draft, by the second pick, you get Travis Hunter. who wants to play both sides of the ball, and Greg Kosell last week brought up, I think, a pretty interesting point. Imagine Nick Siriani walking into Vic Fangio on a Wednesday, you know, as they're preparing for a game and saying, hey, Coach, Vic, you know, today Travis is going to be with the offense, not with you. Well, Vic's going to tell him, well, then, you know what, he's not, he's not playing on Sunday, but I don't care how gifted he is, but you know what, if he makes a mistake, we're giving up a 60-yard touchdown. So to me, it's not whether he's physically capable of doing it. may be that freakish guy that is. Because what he did in college is absolutely remarkable.

It's ridiculous. But I think it's more about the preparation during the week. I'm not sure you can be a part-time outside corner in the NFL. You know, this is not college football where you're playing, you know, Washington State and just athletic ability reigns. Like, everybody's great. And you may still be great, but you'll get worked if you're not sitting in those film rooms.

And that's the second player drafted. By the third player, Abdul Carter potentially, he's been advised to get surgery, and he's like, I'm not getting surgery. So I already have issues with the second and third pick. There's only one player in this draft that I love unconditionally, and that's Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan. Productivity, toughness, durability, motor. I watched them play 15 times the last two years. he ate everybody for lunch. And people say, well, his ceiling isn't high.

All I know, every game I watched, he was in the backfield. Every game I watched, it didn't matter if it was Ohio State, it didn't matter if it was USC, it didn't matter if he had Harbaugh as a coach, it didn't matter if he had Harbaugh's replacement. Mason Graham was the one player that, in this, again, if it was a great draft, maybe he'd go 13. But in this draft, I got no personality issues, no injury issues, productivity, durability, toughness, production, that's the only guy. Outside of that, I mean, the number two and three picks, there's dilemmas. So, all right, let's go. This will be good today. We've got a lot to talk about. Nick Wright, co-host, First Things First, three Eastern on our network.

So, you know, before I get to the NBA, I did say this. I like the draft. I've always been into it. There's one kid I just love. There's a lot of question. So I did a mock draft last week. And now, and I, you do this stuff real well. Was there anything on this? I actually think some, most of this stuff is not just their good players, but their needs. Like the Jets' tight end situation, it's never productive. Gino Smith is actually good with a run game. Ashton Jenny fits there. The Dolphins have to. I like that. Yeah, the Dolphins, please draft an offensive lineman. You just lost Toronto Armstead. Most of these I like, is there anything that jumped out to you on that.

Well, I'm glad you're asking me. You know, final mock draft comes out Thursday on first things first. Remember last year, 19th most actor, mock drafter in the entire world, your guy, Nick Wright, picked it up as a hobby and, you know, top 20 in the world, nothing to talk about. So I kind of want to go through

this if we can, because I love the draft. I don't love college football as much as you, but I think I love the draft as much as you. I cannot believe that you, the man that coined the phrase, better than Babe for Shohei Otani, you are not in love with Travis Hunter. Why are we putting a ceiling on what Travis Hunter can do when we saw him all there? It had been at least eight years

since a college football player did 250 snaps on both sides of the ball. He did 700 on both sides of the ball. So I agree with you that he's going to go too, but just from your talk beforehand, It seems like you're not as in love with him as I am, so I'm just curious why? I think a little bit is there's a rigidity to football because there's one game a week, and these defensive coordinators and offensive coordinators get very prickly, and they want their guy in meeting rooms. For the record, I think football players practice too much. I mean, Sean McVeigh proved it.

We're not going to have anybody play in the preseason. Now nobody plays in the preseason. So I would argue a lot of its nonsense. I think he's going to be a brilliant NFL-wide receiver. I do think, however, there's going to be people on the defensive side that resent the fact that he's never in meetings. But I have him going, too, because he is a, I mean, he's a transformational all-time talent. He's got something Michael Jordan had that I've never seen before. Michael's very rare.

Michael could play 18 holes of golf in the heat and then drop 44 and play 48 minutes. Like some guys are built different. They just have this relentless, you know, ability. to never get tired and the kid hasn't. So, all right, so if we say, I totally agree with you on the Jags taking Mason Graham. I think that's going to happen. I absolutely agree about the Raiders in Ashton Gentie. Pete Carroll wants to win right now.

I think I'm higher on the Raiders than I guess just about everybody. In the race to finish second in the AFC West, which is what the race is. I know this show is big on the Chiefs. I don't know, probably having a top five pick next year, listening to you and JMAC how you think of Can City. But I think the Chiefs will win the division because they do every year. I think the Raiders going from bottom three quarterback to top 12 quarterback, bottom three coach to top 10 coach. If they take Gentie, I think they could finish second in the division.

So I agree with you on a lot of this. I want to ask you about the Giants, because if you're the Giants and everyone's job is on the line, don't you probably try to double dip? and by that I mean draft Abdul Carter at three. Everyone seems to think Shador is going to slip out of the top 10 and then use next year's first round pick, which is someone else's problem if you get fired this year anyway, to then trade up and get Shador.

Like I do think the Giants could end up with Shador. I just don't think they're going to take him over Abdul Carter at three. Okay, so this was my dilemma and I said this. I didn't include trades. A story came out, which I just mentioned five minutes ago, I think the Giants want to trade down and get out of the Shadur thing, and then go get Jackson Dart at 28 if somebody moved up, which I don't love either, but I don't think my take was

Abdul Carter is not worth half a point in the NFL, and if Shadur can just stabilize the offense, he's worth four. And I also think Brian Daibald is a pretty darn good coach offensively if he got Daniel Jones to win a playoff game. So to your point, I think they want to trade down. I think there's division in the room on Shadour, but I would not include trades. So that was my toughest pick. I didn't know what to do with the Giants.

Yeah, listen, I'll tell you this much, and then I know you want to get to the NBA. The Patriots would be thrilled with this, because the Patriots are staring at a worst-case scenario of it going Cam Ward, then the two blue chippers, Travis Hunter and Abdul-Carter. And then they're like, well, what do we do here? Like, we just spent all that money in the offseason on the D tackle from Philadelphia, so we're probably not going to take Mason Graham. We spent all of our money this offseason on the defensive side of the ball. We have no weapons for Drake May at all.

I'm not as bullish on Stefan Diggs as I think some people are, but there's no wide receiver you can take it for. They're not going to take Gentie at four. So I think they would then be in a spot where we're going to take the short-armed offensive lineman will Campbell it for like that's probably so I think the Patriots the point of this is they would love if somehow another quarterback win in the top three in addition to cam ward and then they had the opportunity to draft Abdul Carter I just don't think that's how it's going to fall for them okay we got good NBA stuff so I want to start with this yeah don't you can't

get too caught up in game one I'm going to get back to the Lakers in a second but Vegas is telling you, they're a five and a half point favorite. They had eight days off. They just weren't ready to play. And Minnesota is one of those teams that loves, like the Baltimore Ravens. They love ugly sports. They love the bang. They're not artistic. They're not aesthetically pleasing. That was perfect. Rusty Laker team, not ready to play, and we just get to be ugly, physical. So I'm not worried about the Lakers. But there's a problem with the NICS. There is a big problem. They are a campaign fourth.

quarter from being 0 and 2 at home. Tibbs is not an offensive coach, and they got offensive issues, and I think a bad time to try them and solve them is going on the road at 1-1 in the playoffs. I think the Knicks could be in a little trouble. You were there last night.

So I was there last night. I had pretty amazing seats I paid for, by the way. I'm not going nobody gives me tickets. Our friends at Seat Geek, I guess, helped me out a bit, but I bought them. And I I was right behind the Knicks bench, and I'm shocked they lost that game.

Shocked. You're right that now in retrospect, you look back and you say, man, eight quarters of this series, the Pistons have been the clearly better team for six or seven of them. But going into last night, I thought, okay, the Pistons got demoralized by that fourth quarter, a 21 to nothing run. in this series, if you were to say, hey, who are the five best players in the series, the Knicks should have four of the five. Madison Square Garden is one of the only true home court advantages that exist.

It's still in the NBA because it's so loud. They don't play the goofy music throughout the game. The fans are really into it. I know I sound like an old man, but it's true. And Cade Cunningham and those kids on the Pistons along with the veterans in Tobias Harrison Schrooter said, no, not today. And Jalen Brunson, well, he played well, but was really trying to get everyone in foul trouble,

and that maybe took him a little bit out of rhythm early, even though he finished with 37. Carl Anthony Towns went total milk carton mode where he was nowhere to be found for the final 20 game minutes of that game. McHale Bridges played, I thought, fine, but missed some open shots, and now all of a sudden you find yourself in a fight. with a team that crowd in Detroit, Colin, the last playoff game, the Detroit Pistons won

prior to last night. Paul Pierce was their opponent. It was against the 08 Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals, so that crowd is going to be out of their mind. And so I think all of a sudden, instead of this being what it should have been, a tidy five games for New York, it's looking like it's going to be six or seven with Tibbs playing his guys 40 plus minutes every single night, and then they're going to walk into a buzzsaw against Boston. So I still think the Knicks are going to win this series. I think they have more

talent than the Pistons, and I don't think as great as Cade was last night, and it was great all year. I don't think he's going to throw up 33 and 12 every game. But the Knicks needed to win this series quickly to have any shot against Boston, which they probably didn't to begin with anyway, and I no longer think they're going to be able to do that. So I'll get to the Lakers again in a second. I want to go to Houston. I pick Houston to win. Me too.

In six or seven, I thought. They need to score. They need to make some shots. But it's really interesting. I want to throw this at you. This is almost bigger than the series. Jalen Green and M. Thompson. They didn't go to college.

They went and got some. money went to these other leagues. And I watched Jalen Green and I'm like, what is he? He's just an athlete. I mean, the staff clearly doesn't trust him. And I sat and I watched it and I thought, and I don't want to go too into the weeds on this, but I'm like, here's what worries me about Houston. A bunch of great athletes. I trust one guy in the half court offense. Shen Goon. Other than that, I trust Butler. I trust Steph. Pods, I actually think and hit big shots. Dremont, I trust, the catalyst. I may be on the wrong side of this. Golden State has been in so many of these games. You know, Nick, playoff basketball is often

half-court basketball, and Houston's not good at it. All right, so there's a lot here. You know how they give us those inside the coach huddle sound bites? And normally, they're super sanitized because they're not allowed to give us any strategy. I thought, TNT released a clip during the game of Kerr talking that I thought the Warriors might get mad at because it was a little revealing where Kerr says if we stop turning the ball over, they can't score. And then he added, they cannot score on our half court defense. That was correct, but it also showed, I think, how little respect Golden State understandably has for Houston's half-court offense. Here's the reason I, because I picked the Rockets in seven, and admittedly,

I was watching that game like, okay, if this gets to seven, is there a single player on the Rockets other than Shingoon and Fred Van Blee that aren't going to be terrified to shoot the ball? So that gave me some trepidation. But here are the two reasons that I think you and I might be okay with our picks. First one is this. For a game where the Rockets couldn't score, For them to be down 23 in the late third quarter and still claw their way back, not to get it to a four-point game, not because they hit a bunch of threes, but because their defense is that good and can slow down the Warriors as much as it did. That to me was a positive sign. And the other one is, Steph and Jimmy combined for 56, and the Warriors still only score 95. points. You're higher on pods than I am. I'm old enough to remember you calling him a Clay Thompson

replacement. That was maybe a little premature, but he is their third best offensive player. Dremont doesn't want to shoot. Moody doesn't want to shoot. They're playing Guy Santos, who shouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Quentin Post, who all he wants to do is shoot. Like the Warriors are a couple bodies short of being a championship caliber team. Now, maybe they can get past Houston based on the brilliance of Steph anyway. But here's one other note. Three years ago, when Steph was 34, not 37, and the Warriors won the championship, that entire postseason run, he played more minutes than he did in game one this past game one time. Like the Warriors already are going to the man, we are going to die when Steph or Jimmy isn't on the court. And so if the Rockets

can get the split in game two and extend this series. I think they could be okay, but somebody's got to make some shots and somebody's got to play confidently offensive basketball. Okay, we get to the Lakers. I think the market sometimes tells you five and a half point favorites at home. I thought Austin Reeves got bullied. They depended greatly on Luca who didn't pass but scored, and LeBron had eight days off and just didn't.

I mean, listen, it was the classic underdog comes in, told they're facing the league's marquee franchise, big chip on their shoulder, well-coached, and the Lakers were caught flat-footed and just never could chip. I do think they're just built, and I think Ants become a tremendous player. But I do think the Lakers are built to win this series, because as much as we love defense, you've got to get buckets. And they got three playmakers. What say you, I think the Lakers take tonight and control of the series?

Well, listen, I do think they win tonight, and I'd be shocked if they lose tonight, but I was shocked the way they looked in game one. And I agree with you that offensively, the Lakers will be much better. Austin will be better. LeBron will be more assertive. They'll hit more threes. Offensively, I do not worry about the Lakers. Here, though, is the way the Timberwolves can win tonight or win this series. I think that the Lakers' defensive approach of, we are going to make Ant a playmaker instead of a scorer

was the exact opposite. Because I think that has serious knock-on effects. First of all, the Timberwolves over the last few years are in the regular season, I think, 21 and 3, when Anthony Edwards has eight or more assists and the three losses, they scored a ton of points, they just couldn't get stops. They are at their best when Ant is playmaking because A, you have good three-point shooters that are getting wide open looks, and B, everyone knows when guys are getting the ball and seeing the ball go in, they then defend better because they're more locked into the game. So I thought the Lakers approach would be, and I think it should be.

Ant, you're going to be single-guarded, and if you score 40, we'll deal with it. basically what the Timberwolves did to Luca. The Timberwolves said, Luca, if you get 40, so be it, you're not going to get 10 assists. The Lakers have the opposite approach. I think that's a mistake. I also think when it comes to Jackson Hayes, J.J.'s got to make a decision. Zero minutes or 15 plus, but eight minutes is nonsense. Like, it's not enough time to get in a rhythm, but it's enough time to do some damage to your own.

So he's got to make a decision there. I think the Lakers' best five-man lineup involves asking a 40-year-old guy in year 22 to play center. But I think Luca, Austin, Dorian, Rui, and LeBron. With LeBron at the five might be the lineup that gives Minnesota the most trouble because the way to punish that lineup would be have Rudy Gobert get the ball, but they won't pass the ball to Rudy Gobert and he can't score. So that's what I would do. I think the Lakers will win tonight and I think they're fine.

but I was a 9 out of 10 in confidence going into the series. I would say I'm a 7 out of 10 after the first game. I'm going to throw a take at you before we go. So you're old enough to have seen MJ play a lot. I'm old enough to remember all of it, including the bad games. But I've always said LeBron's always been more magic. I mean, really the personality passing, ball handling, elevating others. LeBron's more magic than MJ.

Kobe was MJ light. But I've also, I do believe this. If you combine Kauai and Kobe, that is MJ. Is that hand size, strength, no body fat, strength, mid-range brilliance. Michael had personality and durability. Kauai doesn't. But Kobe didn't have hand size or that kind of strength. That basically, if you never saw MJ play, Kobe had his flare, his personality and durability.

Leonard had the hand size, the strength that, I mean, he'll take on anybody. He doesn't even need pick and rolls. It's like just bring on Gordon, bring on Porter. That I think there are times that I do see some Michael where I'm like, God, if he just was able to play and had a little personality, what do you make of Kauai? Well, listen, Kawhi, I saw James Hardin, you know,

basically be like he's been disrespected or underrated. I think Kauai is one of the only superstars in the league who there has never been a day of his career he was underrated. He's always either been properly rated or there was a brief moment when he went to the Clippers and people were talking about it like he was the best player in the league where he was a touch overrated, but he's been properly rated. I think everyone understands that a healthy Kauai Leonard is year in and year. out a top five playoff performer in the league. That is what he is. Now, I think that he has earned that right over a decade of playoff performances. All of them, save the bubble when he and the Clippers fell apart, when he's been healthy, he's been really good. So set the health aside, put it in a drawer, and hope that he's actually healthy. I do think that we have become so

incredibly prisoner of the momenty about everything, that it's not about what happened last year or even last week. Game one of this series, he was the third or fourth best player in the game. And James Harden was better, Joker was better, Jamal Murray had an argument. Now game two, he gave us the best game any player has had in any game this postseason. And so I think Kauai is a brilliant player who, the nights that his mid-range is falling like it was last night, there truly is nothing you can do with him. And it was a great win and a great performance. But because I think we feel like we were cheated out of a few years of Kauai playoff runs,

we maybe when we see it, you know, get a little over our skis about, you know, where he is in the NBA hierarchy or how often we can rely on that. But he was unbelievable last night. And the other takeaway from last night, before we go, just fair is fair. It doesn't happen often, but when it happens, it has to be acknowledged. Nikola Yokic, that was the worst playoff game he's had in a few years. And he's a big part of the... Yeah.

He lost track of the clock, took a terrible shot when there was plenty of time. The final shot of the game, Aaron Gordon's wide open. He forces it when he doesn't need to. He has seven turnovers. He has missed free throws. Their path is Joker being the best player in the world. He wasn't anywhere close to that last night. So again, heavy is the head that wears the crown.

He wears the best player in the world crown last night. I expect him to bounce back. But if you just get an average Joker game last night, the nuggets are up to nothing, and it's a very different series. Nick Wright, co-hosts First Things First. You look great as always, buddy. Crush it today. Thank you. You too. See you soon.

Yeah, he pays for his own seats. That's a real journalist, America. No freebies. No freebies. Nick Wright's out there grabbing his wallet. Just confirmed, I'll be at Lakers, Timberwolves tonight. How'd you get those tickets? What's it to you?

As the gold standard of journalism in American cable television, it's, you know. My buddy has a ticket, so I got the invite. I got tapped on the shoulder. Like, they're going to the bullpen. Jay Mack, can you come? I was like, yeah, just off a play. Between your international travel and Laker tickets, you're like, you're almost a member of the Kardashians family. I'll be in the doghouse for this one for a couple days probably with the wife.

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It is a move-down draft. Here is the well-traveled J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So we've got some great news on the NBA front. Yannis is getting back his wingman. Yes, Damien Lillard has been cleared.

from his blood clot, and he will play tonight. Colin, this is kind of sort of shocking. Now, he's been only out since March 18th, so not that long when you consider other blood clots ended guys seasons. Dame Lillard is coming back at his first practice last Thursday. And now he did have some beef with Tyresee Halliburton in game one. I saw that.

While Dame was on the bench talking trash, they go back to, I think it was the, what's a mid-season tournament, whatever that thing's called? Dame's a boxer. You don't want to mess with Dane. I don't know. I like Halliburton. He seems like he's just out there having fun.

I like Dane. Dane's a little combative. I will say this about the Pacers. I don't think people give them respect. Seacom's great. Halliburton's a great young player. Indiana gets overshadowed. They're good, man.

They got dudes. It's a really, really good roster. They got closers. They can play half-court basketball. They can get it up the floor. They are better than the box. So most people like the zigzag theory in the NBA playoffs. If you win game one,

bet on the dog in game two to come back and tie it. What's the line? Work last night for both teams. This one tonight, I believe, is four. It was four, one up to six, then back to four with the Dame News. I think the Pacers win this one. I'm not sold on this buck. I don't think they're very good. No, I pick the Pacers in the series.

I think most teams in the NBA, we know they're good. I think Indiana's good, and nobody outside of Indiana gives them a lot of love. I think they have really good players. I like watching them play. Yeah, for all the talk about, you know, people don't play their best. mention the playoffs. You only play like six or seven guys. Pacer's have like nine guys they can throw out you. And that matters. I kind of like the Pacers to winston. They can get up and down the floor. They can do the half-court stuff. You know, certain teams like Houston, they look

lost in a half-court set. Poor Houston. Anyways, let's go to the second story, and that's the Detroit Pistons, Colin. One of the best stories in the playoffs so far. Look at Cade Cunningham. And then he points at Carmelo, Anthony. Who's in the front row? Listen, man, Kate Cunningham looks like a legit baller, 23 years old, and absolutely carried Detroit last night. Yeah. He was so clutch. Well, he was Oklahoma State guy. Wouldn't he a number one pick?

Number one overall pick? Yeah, he was a great. He was young when he came into the league. I put out for fun last night on Twitter. Who would you rather build around Cade Cunningham or John Moran? Oh, Cade Cunningham, easily. That's what I didn't think it would be universal Cade Cunningham. John Morant's won a lot of playoff games.

He's done some damage to the playoffs. I'm not anti-jaw Morant. People think I am. I'm not. But after about four different incidences, I have my reservation. Like, you are, it's one thing when you come into the NBA. Like, I mean, has Zion ever really changed? No.

Still injuries and maturity. Like, I think generally mature kids, mature adults were mostly mature kids. You don't find, go to college with the craziest guy you were in college, probably doesn't end up as CEO. Now, by the way, Doesn't mean he can't be successful and a wonderful person. But if I think of the biggest part of years, the wildest guys in college, they're a version of that now. Interesting.

So anyways, it was Detroit's first playoff win since 2008. Colin, I don't think FS1 existed in 2008. You were on the other side of the country. I wasn't here. Here's Tom Tibido, very upset the Knicks coach, talking about how the refs say they had a factor in the result. Obviously, huge discrepancy and free throws. Huge.

So I got to take a look at that. Right? So, you know, I don't understand, you know, how on one side that, you know, you talk about direct line drives, the guy's getting fouled and it's not being a call. Right. So, and look, I really don't give a crap how they call the game as long as it's consistent on both sides. Well, it's love. So if Cunningham's driving and there's marginal contact and he's getting to the line, then Jelen deserves to be getting to the line. Okay.

You got to remember. refs aren't paid to be fair. Okay, they're not paid to be fair. The Celtics, by the way, don't shoot a lot of free throws because they jack up a lot of threes. So the reality is Detroit is initiating contract, contact, they're moving the ball better, they're attacking more consistently. Cat didn't have a field goal. There was like six minutes left in the second quarter.

He never scored again. Well, I'll say in the first half, Detroit, I think, attempted 13 three throws the next one. And the next drive, Jalen Press is driving all the first. day. So I thought it was a little, by the way, free throw advantage was 28 makes to 16 makes. Yeah, because you know the NBA is like, we want to get the Knicks out of the playoffs. No, I just, you know, the whistle, that game was super physical. By the way, we've talked about this. Regular season and analytics is totally different from NBA playoffs. What we saw last night, just physical, a lot of grabby stuff. I don't love that. Well, that's the playoffs.

Then blow the whistle and tell them, guys, stop doing that. We want to see basketball, not a lot of football season. Play hurt. The reality of it. Here we go. All right, final story, Colin. Let's go to the NFL. NFC North has become one of the toughest divisions in football the last couple years. Lions have dominated the last two seasons.

And the success, is it getting to their head? Team president making some interesting comments when talking about bringing the draft back to Detroit from Green Bay. Trying to get the NFL to consider bringing it back because I don't think they'll ever topic. So, and I told you offstage, you know, there's no way Green Bay will come. close. They'll finish second or as I said to Brad off stage third like they did last year.

Ooh. A lob and a couple of grenades there. Yeah. The trash talk in this division has gotten fun. Oh, it's a good division. A lot of talk. That was pretty interesting. I mean,

you know, what did Michael Jordan say in that docu series? Hey, it's easy to talk trash when you're winning. Yeah, talk trash when you're losing. Nobody does that. Detroit's won the division two years in a world. rolling and now he's throwing this stuff at Green Bay. I think this is risky. Because I might be on an island. I think Detroit's coming back down to the pack a little bit here. Well, Aiden

Hutchison does come back. One guy that can't fix the defense? He's their best guy on defense. Their coordinator's gone. So is the other. I think the one thing that really worries me, whenever an organization loses a star coordinator and they hire within. I'm not a fan of that. I am not. Now, sometimes there's a certain culture. Like Nike years ago brought somebody from outside the company to run. It was a disaster. Sometimes there's a certain culture where people in Google know Google.

You don't want to bring in somebody from another company. They may not get the culture of it. But in football, generally, if you have a coordinator opening, go get the best coordinator in the world. It's the NFL. All these teams are printing money. The problem with the best coordinator in the world, he wants to be a head coach.

He doesn't want to make a lateral move to coordinator. So it is really tough to find great offensive coordinator. Yeah, but that's the downside to hiring good people they may leave. Yeah, that's the reality alone. That's a good point, yeah. J. Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Somebody would go, yeah, I don't feel good about this at all. So is Luca, or is Nico Harrison a loner too private? Only surrounds himself with yes, man, or just inept. All of them don't qualify you to be a GM of an NBA team. I don't know the man, but he just should stop talking. But here's Jerry Jones on that deal. The world knows that I've got my hands full thinking about what we think about over here, much less trying to figure out. I look at the maverick through very much entertainment eye, and Gene lives and dies with that basketball.

And I just cried when Luca left, but I understand that. Yeah, I mean, it's very rarely in my life. I mean, I don't even have a list of them, but very rarely in life, have I seen a trade in pro sports and immediately went, oh, that's awful. If the media summarily acknowledges that's a whiff, it generally is. I've said this about stars before. Sometimes we hype people up. But when we really go overboard, like Bryce Harper, LeBron James, or Tiger Woods, it's generally warranted. right

it's like like christian pulisic he's he's our best attacker he's our best pure soccer talent ever and people have been on him since he was like 14 years old it was warranted now we went a little bonkers on freda you do

but moved off that pretty quickly but the lucca trade is what in the hell is that what are we doing here and you know i think most of the time your instincts your first opinion on a move

is whoa and i said I would have slept on it. A.D. Austin Reeves, three first-round picks. I would have slept on it because he'd missed back-to-back camps, plays no defense, can be ball-centric, doesn't elevate necessarily everybody. I mean, the other night he had one assist, and that's playing with LeBron and Austin Reeves. So you didn't share the ball a lot.

But, I mean, one thing is clear. Nico Harrison, I heard this yesterday. This is hard for me to come to terms with. I did know that Luca was important to the fan base. I didn't quite know it to what level. But really, the way we looked at it is, you know, if you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, PJ, Anthony Davis, and lively,

we feel that's a championship caliber team, and we would have been winning at a high level, and that would have quieted some of the outrage. Now, in fairness, if the team didn't fall apart physically, and won in a nine-game winning streak, it would have helped a little. I think the only thing that can save Nico Harrison,

because I do like the Mavericks talent, they'll be a playoff team next year. I really believe that. If Kyrie Irving comes back and they get a good draft pick, they'll be a good team. But if they got Cooper Flag, and we've looked at the odds for that,

I do think if they got Cooper Flag, eventually, A.D., Kyrie, Cooper Flag, I think that would be the, life preserver for Nico Harrison's career. But it is, anytime you see a trade and your first reaction is

the hell, what is that? It's a bad trade. And I, yeah, it's, I mean, I remember, I don't even want to mention this because it seems like I'm picking on him, but I can remember a quarterback getting drafted really, really high in a

Midwestern franchise, and just thinking this is a a horrendous traffic based on what I thought and what several people who I trust in the NFL thought. No reason to pick on him. Charles Barkley was more direct last night.

Man, don't do no more press conferences. Like, I don't even know what you're doing. I really don't. Like, I got sympathy and love for you, but I have zero idea what you're trying to do. This war is over, brother. you're taking the L. I hope you keep your job.

I hope that team get healthy, but, man, don't do any more interviews. Yeah, and if you do, I've said this about NFL coaches before. If you do a press conference on Wednesday, don't wing it. The answer to almost anything is a public figure is politician, football coach, GM, don't wing it. And I do feel bad. The craziest part about this is, did nobody for the man. Mavericks raise their voice or their hand before this was considered, which leads me to believe, I mean, Jason Kidd didn't know. Mark Cuban didn't know. And both of those guys, especially Cuban,

Cuban's a talker, he's social, he's verbal. If Mark didn't know, if Jason Kidd didn't know, well, then you're relying on, like what, junior staffers for the biggest move in the history the franchise. If I was going to make a massive career move, I have four or five people I'd call. All of them much more successful than me. And I'd say, hey, you tell me, you've been in this business for 20 years, I wouldn't go to interns. Hey, Sparky, what do you think? Like, Jason Kidd didn't know, Mark Cuban didn't know. Those are Jason Kidd's top five point guard ever, and Cuba's is one of the smartest people in the country in tech. And frankly, been a good owner. If you didn't include those two guys? Who were you

including in the conversation? A lot of people just want to be surrounded by yes men, Colin. They want to be told that reinforced your beliefs. We, like everybody just agreed with it. If you had five guys that liked the NBA but didn't love it, if you had five of your buddies and said, hey, we're going to trade Luca for

Max Christie, Anthony Davis, and a first round pick, all five of your buddies, even if they don't love the NBA, that's stupid. We see this in NFL. NBA politics. You don't want to be challenged. You believe you're smarter than everyone else, and you can make all the decisions. And that's what this guy believed. Hey, I know AD and Kyrie from my dealings at Nike. We're good. We're going to win. Even you're out here saying, hey, with Kyrie next year, they're really good. If Kyrie's back, he ain't going to be back by Christmas,

is he? Bad trade, bad messaging. And by the way, chances to get Cooper flag 1.8% to get the number one overall pick. That's not happening. So you're saying there's a chance. Okay. He went from Nike to the front office. Maybe it's just not a good fit. Maybe it's just that. Hour 3, Todd McShay. Hey, guys, it's us.

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