The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Prediction for the big game on Sunday

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Colin gives his reasons why he's picking the Chiefs to win their 3rd straight Super Bowl Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins The Herd to talk about how he got ready to play in the Super Bowl and what to expect  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in, it's hour two. It is a Friday, live in New Orleans. It is the herd. Michael Urban in a couple of minutes. J. Mack, it's the time of the show before the Super Bowl.

Friday is our pick day. And years ago, when I lived in Connecticut, over a decade ago, I watched every New England game. It was in the throws in the midst of their dynasty. On occasion, I would pick against Brady in the big. games and almost always was reminded that was a mistake so here is my pick for the Philadelphia Kansas City Super Bowl chiefs are minus one and a half I like Kansas City and here's why presented by draft Kings she's versus Eagles they are

12 and oh in games decided by one score this year I think it's a one score football game. They are very good in close games. Not a lot of blowouts. I don't foresee a blowout. I think that helps. They've won 37 straight games when winning the turnover battle. But by the way, even when other teams don't turn it over, they're 7 and 0. So they've beaten perfect teams. They have 12 comebacks this season. I think it's reasonable to assume both teams could trail. Their offense, one turnover in nine games. I also think Andy Reid off a bye in my lifetime is the best coach in league history, and this constitutes a buy. Philadelphia, meanwhile, not as many close games.

They haven't trailed much. As a pure pocket passer in his career, when trailing with four minutes or less, Jalen Hertz, completely. percentage is under 50%. I think it's going to be a clean game. I think it's going to be a close game. I think it's going to be a high scoring game. This is an empty the bag coaching and player game. You let everything go. And I have seen too many close games with Andy Reid and Mahomes, leading or trailing. And the one thing Mahomes does that only Tom Brady truly duplicated, maybe a little John Elway. I can never tell what the score is. Pressure is not a burden.

And I do feel like coach quarterback. I've got a clear edge. I like Kansas City, 30, Philadelphia 27, Super Bowl 59, Draft King Sportsbook, new customers bet five, get 200 in bonus bets instantly. Downhole. Load the app. The promo code is heard to sign up, like the Chiefs, buy a field goal in a high-scoring game. Michael Irvin, three Super Bowls in the Hall of Fame are joining us. So you went to three Super Bowls in four years. Did you find it? Because you've always been not only a playmaker

on the field, but good time, Michael, off the field. Did you find when you were in the middle of that dynasty, it was a little harder to focus on that third Super Bowl in the fourth year? You know what? That's a great question. But I did not find it difficult. You know, we had a group after going through those early years, Colin, where we were 3 and 13, 1 in 15, in a few short years later, now we're in Super Bowl. Oh, we never got tired of those. We remember getting our butts kicked all the time, you know, and having those team-only meetings and then still coming out after that meeting, getting your butt kicked.

So when you turned it around, no, we never got tired of it. It was always a great thing. To this day, if I'm with Troy and we're out, we still talk about, man, we should have won five, man. We should have won four or five in a row, you know. So you still look back and think on that. So it blows my mind. And no, we didn't have to tell you.

Let me take these shades off because I don't want everybody to think I was on Bourbon Street too long last night. I ain't going to say I wasn't on Burbin Street, but you know what I mean. Let me give you the real so you know, okay. You know what I said, Colin. Y'all know, go ahead on. Listen, there's a lot of cities to go to bed early in. We're not in one of them.

We're not in one of them. And you've got to know how Super Bowl, every day, you say, I ain't doing that again tonight. And you do exactly what you say you're not doing, because you're running to everybody that you've known, all the people that we're in business with. You know, it's just such a great time. So two weeks to prepare. Take me through Jimmy Johnson's prep. You don't want to bore the players. You want to add, you want to layer the preparation.

Did you find Jimmy changed a little bit in these two week off spaces? No, no, Jimmy was, Jimmy had a real good understanding of the men he was leading. Jimmy, and I love him to this day, and I mention it. People think of a lot of things, but Jimmy understood we were boys, and he said, you know, we're going to get great work in this first week. Great work. And then we're going to go out to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl Sunday and no eyes or no primary girlfriends.

None of them comes with us on Sunday. Sunday, Monday, I don't wanna see any of them. Tuesday, Wednesday, they can come on in. He would tell us, I want you guys to go have a little fun Sunday night. Have a lot. Get it out, get it out of your way so we can focus on football. I thought that was brilliant. Because now you don't go to the whole week thinking

about what's going on out here. You had you on Sunday and Monday night. Now you're going to focus in. I'm talking about by the time Wednesday came around, we had the, I swear to you, we used to have practices. Super Bowl. They were the best practices I've ever seen. Not a ball hit the ground, and we were ready to play football.

It was smart. Give them time to go get all that stuff out and then focus back in. So during the Aikman, Irvin, Emmett days, all your games felt big. You were a big TV product. Super Bowls are different. And Michael, your college games at the you were big. But our Super Bowls, even, I don't look at you as a guy that would get nervous. None like it.

But in a Super Bowl, did you ever look up at all the pictures and even you, a little bit, thinking, I need to get hip. I need to run around. I mean, there's a little anxiety. All that's happening. And there are guys here, right? You can tell them until their ears fall off. You've got to be ready.

You're going to be to calm yourself at the beginning of the game. You're going to hyperventilate. I've never been so tired as I was in a lot. It's Super Bowls. I'm like, why am I this tired? I started thinking, did I do too much early on in the week, you know? But it's just your hyperventilating. You got to think about this.

This is the moment you played in your front yard talking about this all your damn life. And it's about to happen. Emmett and I walked on the field together in Pasadena and all week, because we were playing Buffalo and they had played in Super Bowls, you know, everybody's talking about experience. We say it's a game is a game. I run a slant route. I don't care if it's on a football field, Super Bowl, or in your front damn yard.

I'm going to catch that slant route. I'm just talking all kind of noise. When I got to that game, Eminent and I walked on that field, I'm going to, oh my God. I looked at him. He said, I said, I said, did you feel that?

He said, yeah. I said, don't say anything. Because if they know we scared, they definitely going to be scared. Total anxiety. But you're going to have it. It's impossible. to have and I'm telling you everybody's going to have it even if you've been here

before yeah I can remember one of Brady's first Super Bowls Bella check there's an old piece of video where Bella checks like hey settle down Tom right right right into it Tom right right you know it is you know what I love about Tom though I was the one in New Orleans one here yeah oh no I say was it I think Green Bay somebody they beat a Bill Parcell's one of his team it beat him here I remember Tom came over to me right after after that and I was standing there because I did the game he came and said amen right after the game there just won he said what do I need to do to get back here how do

I win more how do I do it I thought that was incredible you know Patrick Mahomes last year right after he won two he said I got to get back here and win three in a row that's what it takes it's got to be a mono-maniochua attitude about it even one win is not enough I want the next one and the next one. So I always think one of the reasons I had Philadelphia winning their division, but they were really noisy. Nick Zariani's noisy. But I do think there's an advantage because Jalen, Hertz, and Sequin are not.

So they're two stars kind of really reserved guys. I always thought the Cowboys worked because Jimmy and Troy let you guys be yourself. Were there times in the game or in the game, or in moments during your, because your team was always so big, there was a little bit of noise. Did I could see Jalen Hertz have to go to A.J. Browner. Did Troy ever have to lean on you and say, hey, Playmaker? Did you ever go, or did you have to be chaperoned at all? Well, no, the funny part is, the funny part here.

See, Troy was, Troy was this straight guy. He was so focused and, you know, so mature and he was great about it. But I knew, I knew I couldn't get debate unless me and Roy. was right. He's getting the pad ball version. He got to throw it to me. You had to be right. Right. Me and him was always right. He and I was always right. Now, I would get in it with defensive linemen, right? Like a Charles man or somebody. I'm yelling at or Reg White.

Hey, move, woo, woo, and my officer lines said, Michael, stop making him mad. You're not blocking him. You shut up right now. Troy never had a problem with me. But those office alignment, they had a problem with me talking to the defense alignment since I wasn't going to block them. When you're a player, so you were part of a dynasty and Mahomes is part of a dynasty.

More pressure earlier late. Do you think can't, I mean, when you first come to this thing, you don't know what to expect. Now all of a sudden you're making a second trip, a third trip, a fourth trip. Did it feel different for you in your last Super Bowl than your

first? You know what? And I always tell people, there's nothing like the first. There is nothing like the first. because it's that first time that you realize that childhood dream are playing in that front yard. But that's second and third one is great. You got to understand. There's everybody in your head, in your mind, everybody in the world is focused on this game. That's never not a great situation for a real guy, real player like me, or the guy like Troy, or a guy like Patrick Mahomes.

They look for that moment. You were talking about something earlier. You were talking about the pressure of playing in these kinds of games. And as you were saying it, I was thinking, you got, the great ones have had an affair with pressure all of their careers. They sleep with it, eat with it, live with it. It's what makes them tick. It's an affair with pressure. They're looking for pressure.

So they look for these moments. The Tom Brady's, the Patrick Mahon, the Troy Aitman's, those are the guys you love playing with. So in these big moments, I mean, a lot of the times Mahomes has made a play in these games that is off script, when he was all banged up and he had a 45-year run. Do you get in pressurized moments, and it doesn't even have to be in a Super Bowl? This game's tight, 28 all fourth quarter, six minutes left. Are there moments that there's a look, there's a wink, that it's off script? Because you have so much time to prep, it's the last game of the year, you've never been more prepared. Does that mean that we don't see moments where you go to Troy on the sideline,

like, listen, I'm going to change the route? Or was the game too big to do that? No, no, no. We've done that because you play the game like you play the game. We had in our first NFC championship game, Troy called this play 896. He called it four times in the game. Four times. Every time I run a bang gate, Alvin Hopper, ran a curl route on the other side.

J. No. We'll take down the middle. the nine route. Every time he threw that ball, he threw it to the curl route. Dude, game was on the line. We were up by four. We needed this drive to put him away. And he called it again. He called it again. He said, Scott, right, red, right. Before he got the nine and the six out, I ran the album, spot him already gone. I'm changing the play right now. I ain't talking nobody about this. That's a game on the line. You're throwing this ball to me. Troy was like, what are you doing? I said, wouldn't the damn play.

I got it over here. And, you know, he snaps the ball because I went over there. They brought the double team to me. He throws the back slant. He throws the backside eight route to Alvin. And I'm like, I remember the play. He's gone with my football. In the fly.

On the fly. I was like, that would have got me. Oh, my God. You know, but I'm happy. I'm happy. And Troy, we talked about a lady. He said, had you not done that, we still may not, we wouldn't have gotten that backside play.

It would have been a different play. So thank God it worked. Now a lot of times Charles Haley, because you know Charles Haley was Charles Haley and Leon Lett, Charles would tell Leigh-Lette, we're gonna, hey, we're gonna run a twist, a twist, T-E-Swiss, and Leon Lette, like, no man, Coach didn't call that. Charles said, you either run it or I'm gonna run up your ass, you know, right, you know, because, and then, yeah, yeah, he ran it. If Charles get the sack, Coach said, great job calling this, calling that play. If Charles don't get the sack and they make a nice play, they say, Leon Lett, what the hell were you doing? They never went to Charles. They only stayed okay.

Did Jimmy Johnson give, like, what is a speech before a Super Bowl at halftime? You don't have to sell the players on it. Do you remember the pregame speech? Right, right. Jimmy was great at this now. Jimmy was great at this. Our third Super Bowl, so many of us were still there. Jimmy, right before the game, he said, I know a lot of you may be full of these moments, may be satisfied of these moments, but a lot of us have never had these moments.

And he made every man that hadn't had a ring stand up, and we had to spend time looking. Don't you think they deserve one, two? It's not just about the ones you have. It's about them, too. And we're going to get them one. I thought that was something great, because it really made you think about, wait a minute, I got two rings, but these guys do not, and these are my teammates, and we play little extra hard for that. Do you think it's an advantage in a strange way that Kansas City didn't bulldoze people?

They struggled with Houston. Do you think it's an advantage having played 15 close games this year? It's an advantage if you come out on top, like they have come out on top, and most, if not all of them. You know, they're incredible in late games because like anything else, it gives you confidence and you're going to be back in these situations again and back to that relationship with pressure. All of Kansas City has that affair with pressure. They know about it, eat and sleep with it because they know Patrick Mahomes is the guy that gets the past, gets to get the football first.

And this guy, we always trip on talent shoulders down. I'm telling you what makes Patrick Mahomes degree that he is, is his guilt shoulders up. He knows how to play just the play, each play, and that makes him great. He don't try to do more than he needs to. He understands the significance of one play, and every time he just beats you. So, yeah, that's a hell of a great opportunity and a hell of a great advantage when you play that many tight games. Do you lean either way in this game? This has been a tough game for me.

I don't think I've ever been had a game more difficult to call than this game. You know, when you look at the things that on the outside, because it's not the skill, you've got to try to pull in all the things that make them have a deeper will. This is the third straight Super Bowl championship. Patrick Holmes talked about it right after he won number two, the second straight. And I ran to Travis Kelsey at the back.

basketball game in Dallas, that's all he asked me about. So they've been living with this. This is what they want. So that creates a great will. You think Jalen Hurts, who have fought his way all the way up to get respect as one of the top quarterbacks in the National Football, wants to go 0 and 2, in a Super Bowl, lose to the same guy again. So that's going to create a great will. This is going to be a clash of Titans.

And it's going to be a hard fight. game. I heard you talked about it being a high score game. I think it's going to, I don't think it's going to get up that 38, 35. I think we'll live closer to that 22 that Kansas City average. We may not even get to the 27 points that Philadelphia average right now. This is going to be a defensive game even though we're going to be looking at the office. Because think about Philadelphia, don't give up big plays. They're going to make you dink and dunk and patron Mahon don't mind thinking and dunk it. And on the other side, they're going to

hand the ball off. So we're going to have a lot of time. It could be a fast game. Yeah. Right. Like seven-yard completely. Like honestly, it'll be a quick game. Correct. But boy, I'm going to tell you something. That defense for Philadelphia, they're running around, and they're flying around the ball. It's going to come

down to them. And I'm not talking about on the back end. I'm talking about on the front end. You've got to get the Patrick Mahoney and bring him down. By the way, the Eagles, I think this is something. They have two rookie corners. I don't know, but if I'm a homes, I know you guys have been great all year.

I would go after a rookie corner in the Super Bowl. But remember now, the Eagles like to play that two shell, too. So they got two corners and but they have safeties over the top. Now, last time I looked at the last game, what they were doing, they were up on

Travis Kelsey, but they were giving him a free release when you go back and look at the game. You know, they double teamed them, but you give them a free release. You give him a free release. I ran to Bobby Teller the other day. And we were talking about that old Philadelphia defense they used to put on me when they got Bobby Teller. Bobby was saying, my job was not to worry about covering you. It was to beat you up on the line of scrimmage. I got helping the coverage, and it wore me down like a boxer because his job was just to punch me every play. That's what they got to do in Travis Kelsey. They got to wear his butt down. You got to touch him every snap when he's coming off the football. The Playmaker, Hall of Famer, Michael Irvin. Thanks, buddy. Man, it's always good to talk with you, buddy.

I can't wait to get to this game. It's going to be a great one Sunday. I'm telling you, this might be one of the best Super Bowl. Not the highest scoring Super Bowl, but I'm telling you, we're going to have some fighters out here fighting. Agreed. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day,

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His dad, Archie was really good. And if Arch Pop, maybe it's four. And I love Eli. He did not get inducted into the Hall of Fame 2025 class. I think he's a Hall of Famer. I don't think you can tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning, who had two of the great iconic throws and moments, David Tyree and Mario Manningham,

where he wedged that ball in a small, you know, football-sized window to Manningham up the left sideline and eventually drove and beat the Patriots. So Eli Manning, the Manning name is familiar, but Eli's career is so unfamiliar. His regular season record is 117 and 117. It doesn't exactly scream Canton. He had 344 touchdown passes.

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And mostly led by great defenses. But I would take his career, which is noteworthy because of a handful of very iconic moments, over people that get into Hall of Fame because of longevity and very solid production. That's not a knock on Harold Baines, Fred McGriff, Craig BGO. These are great players. Eli is the Hall of Very Good with unbelievable moments. His career passer rating is lower than Jay Cutler. And so he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

But I've said this before. I said it with Jose Konseco. He introduced steroids to baseball and then sort of by speaking up eliminated him. Like you can't tell the story of baseball without Jose Konseco. And I think that's part of it. Hall of Famers all look different. Very few are as good as Dion Sanders. If you're going to hold just that standard, nobody gets in.

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J. Mack with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. All right, Colin, let's start with the Super Bowl. Travis Kelsey, a superstar in his own right. He's been linked to Andy Reed, his entire career. was drafted a couple months after Reid was hired in KC.

Kelsey Mahomes and Reid are on the verge of a three-peat, historical stuff. And Kelsey talked about how much of an impact his head coach has had on his career. He's unbelievable coach. He's a player's coach, but at the same time he's going to hold you accountable. And I think the first really year to two years, I was with Coach Reid. I was like, man, this guy's not messing around. Like there wasn't too much of the personality that I saw. now knowing that he's like a father figure to me.

He's like a, he's like, I don't know, one of my uncles growing up that I respect so much because of who he is. And I owe everything to that man. Yeah, I mean, I think I talked to Tony Gonzalez about that. Is that Tony Gonzalez early in his career played with a staff that didn't

totally appreciate what he could do? And I think tight ends a very unique position. I think it is very dependent on the coaching staff and the quarter Like, Gronk was obviously going to succeed. But if Gronk goes to Carolina, goes through four coaches, each coach views him differently, five different coordinators, Gronk came into pro football, is kind of underappreciated,

had had some physical injuries, and needed time to build trust. Also, Gromk was kind of a silly, fun-loving guy. It was sort of that strident, intense, regulated environment that really let him flourish. I mean, there's no question without Brady in New England. Gronk isn't doing broadcasting. Gronk isn't the entrepreneur he is. He's just not going to get opportunities.

So I do think it matters that George Kittal gets a Kyle Shanahan. I do think it matters that Travis Kelsey. I mean, Travis Kelsey was going to be a good player. He's now a legend. That legend stuff doesn't happen without Andy Reed. If you listen to those comments and you say, oh, he's 35 years old,

does it sound like somebody who's near retirement? I know he said he doesn't want to. But it really sounds like he's being reflective on a long, awesome career. Yeah. Last year at this time, he acknowledged he's had about 10 surgeries. I think if they win, my guess is he retires. And I say that because he's coming off, Colin, his worst playoff game with Mahomes. Two catches for 19 yards against the bills.

That was his lowest output in the playoffs. He used to just totally dominate safeties and linebackers, remember? Like they would line up against him. They were barbecue chicken. He would go right at them, eight catches, under 19 yards. In the last Super Bowl against Philly, six for 81 in a score. And I just look at that Buffalo game, and I'm like, I don't know, he's slowed down. Yeah, I think it's time.

And by the way, also, he now has the ability to do other things. Like so, and that's part of it. A lot of guys retire and they're lost. He's got plenty of activities. He's got options. All right, next story is Kevin O'Connell won the AP coach of the year. last night at NFL honors. And now he's got a big off season ahead.

What's he going to do at quarterback? Sam Darnold, your guy, had a huge year in Minnesota, and he wants a long-term deal. O'Connell says the Vikings will continue to have an ongoing dialogue about bringing him back. Colin, I don't think you or I think that Darnold's going to be in Minnesota. Obviously, J.J. McCarthy, waiting in the wings. Look at the stats here on Darnold.

First 16 games, he was incredible, right? And he ended the season kind of on the struggle bus. What's your guess? If he doesn't stay in Minnesota, where's he going? I think the Raiders are in play. USC, Pete Carroll. If the money is right, I think the Raiders are in play. But I also think the Raiders, I think Shadur Sanders drops.

I think Shadur, I have talked to two people in the league, and their favorite part of Shadur Sanders is the kid, not the quarterback. They like him as a person. They like that they feel they can build around his personality and temperament and his maturity. They're not in love with him as a quarterback. So I think, I don't know, I can see Pete Carroll making a run at it, but I can also say, I can see Pete Carroll saying, listen, we're going to give Choudoir the controls for a year. And if it doesn't work, next year's a great college quarterback draft, we can redraft and move. So I think that's a possibility.

How much would you be willing to go to paid Arnold? Because I don't know that he, is Baker. I think he's Baker. Yeah, I think he's that high 30s, mid to high 30s. I'm comfortable. Very comfortable going. And I think Baker's contract. allows you to retain a Mike Evans, a Chris Godwin.

And I think that's what Sam needs. Sam's not going to get a receiving corps like that. And he's arguably not going to get a coach like that. So don't think, we said this with Gardner Minchew when he had Shane Stuykin and went to the Raiders. He's not taking Shane Stiking with it. So you're not taking Kevin O'Connell or Justin Jefferson with you. So we understand you're going to get about 80% of Darnold's production. Is that good enough to pay him $35 million?

If you go in with those expectations, then I think you're fine. I think it's fair. Final story is to the NBA where the Warriors officially introduced Jimmy Butler after acquiring him in that trade with the Heath

but they ended up losing to the Lakers. LeBron was magnificent. In the Bay Area, Butler talked about putting the Miami issues in the past and getting back to winning basketball.

I don't have anything to say. I'm good. All of that is behind me. I'm moving forward and I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be wanted again. I think the biggest part was just give me to be able to play basketball again.

I just want to be able to go out there and do what I've been doing for a very long time and have fun and smile and rip and run. And I feel like I'm just doing cardio majority of the game. So I'm very, very, very happy that I'm not getting suspended in a way. Analytic Mavens would submit to you that it's not a good fit, that you can argue based on analytics that Wiggins is a better fit than Jimmy Butler. I do think he adds a big game toughness and a physicality.

I don't think he makes the Warriors much more interesting. I think the NBA had a great week of interesting. The Lakers and the Warriors who get better ratings than virtually everybody except the Knicks. I think the league had a great week. I don't necessarily think he makes them that much better. They're not a lock to make the playoffs at this point. It's not a lock.

And I just looked at the ages. Are you ready for this? They're core three guys. Jimmy Butler's 35. Curry's 36. Dremont's 34. That's a lot of tread on those tires. Butler has two finals runs with the heat.

I don't know, Colin. You know I'm a Steph Curry guy. I don't even know if they're a lock for the playoffs. I would be wary of like the spurs passing them with Wembe and Fox. Yeah. But you're right. They are interesting. That's for sure.

By the way, Jimmy Butler and Dremont Green are two guys who kind of run hot. It could be a potential powder case. if things go sideways. I only got his 60 million a year, but... You know what, though? The NBA, for the last three to four years has really needed interesting. Yeah. And there is no question.

Think about this now. Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, Warriors are all over the last year have made moves, whether it's cat to New York, Luca to L.A. I mean, I think four of the biggest brands

in this league, Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Warriors all got more entertaining to watch. So I think the NBA had an incredible two-week stretch. We're not talking about, should we shrink the quarters to 10 minutes? So we'll move the three-point line. There's none of that chatter anymore. Listen, by Tuesday night after the Super Bowl and Monday show, by Monday night,

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I think it's going to be Dallas Goddard. I think Trent McDuffie can take A.J. Brown mostly out. I think it's Dallas Goddard. I think it's underneath stuff. I think it's Sequan Barclay. It's bubble screens. That's what I think they run. All right.

We're going to make some choices, Matt. I'm going to play a little game. You give me the unit. and all make the choice. Okay, we've got to play a little game here, and this is kind of, now we get very specific. We make a broad choice on the game. You give me the choices, units, coach, quarterback, all make a pick.

All right. Colin, which head coach has the advantage in the Super Bowl? Andy Reid, the Chiefs, or Nick Siriani and the Eagles? Easiest choice, this is Andy Reid, who is 33 and 7, as a coach, including the playoffs, off a buy. So this is the best by coach of all time. Listen, he is one of three coaches ever to appear in six plus Super Bowls, Don Chula, Belichick, the others. That's an easy one.

We wanted to give you a layup to start. Let's go for another easy one. Quarterback, Colin, the guy named Mahomes or Jalen Hertz of the Eagles. Second easiest one, because I do think there are moments with Hertz behind that O line. When that offense is humming and they are hard to stop. I mean, he has great games. Although I don't think he's a great quarterback. I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes.

17 and 3. This is insane. In a conference with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, he is 17 and 3 in the playoffs. He's won 9 straight. Decent. Since that Burrow lost at Arrowhead, dude, he's won every big game. Every one. A third straight gimmee for Colin.

Running backs, Colin. Chiefs are Eagles, the Chiefs by committee, or the near MVP, Seekwad Barkley. Easy one, Philadelphia, and you have to also consider the offensive line. That is part of it. Listen, I think Walter Payton's the best running back I've ever seen. Barry Sanders, probably second. Then you get into kind of a Christian McCaffrey class, Adrian Peterson. I think he's in that class.

I think, listen, this is nothing against the O line for Philly because it's dominant. I think that when he's jumping over people, like, I'm sorry. I mean, I get speed, I get durability. I get toughness. He can catch it out of the back field. That's an easy way. Right. Not a layup.

Wide receiver. Which group has the advantage? The Chiefs with D.Hop, worthy in Hollywood Brown, or the Eagles with A.J. Brown, DeVontes Smith, and I guess I should mention Jahan Johnson. Philadelphia. This is how good Philadelphia is. Devante Smith is almost forgotten on this team. And if you think about it, he had almost 70 catches.

So the Chiefs did not have a thousand-yard receiver this season, including the play. So in terms of a one and two combo deal, we talk about that in pro basketball. A.J. Brown is a top three to four receiver in the league. Devante may be the most talented number two receiver. He and T. Higgins in the NFL. So that's an easy one. All right. This is kind of easy.

Tight end, Colin. Who you got? The Chiefs with featuring Kelsey and Gray or the Eagles featured Goddard and Calcutta. Well, I'm going to go Travis Kelsey and what I believe is his last big game. And I also think there is a gronk Brady quality that in these really big spots, Kelsey tends to get youthful. We've seen this before. You think he's kind of shot. And then all of a sudden he has 11 targets and nine catches.

I'll go Travis Kelsey. All right. Now, offensive line, Chiefs are Eagles? This is challenging. Obviously, the Chiefs had two all pros. But the Eagles have argued with the best offensive line in the league. Who you got? I think Philadelphia, I think basically an offensive.

line has to be defined to a large degree by left tackle. And I think the Eagles may have the best left tackle in the game. I mean, listen, Joe Tuny is perhaps the most underrated offensive lineman in the sport. The fact that they could move him from guard to left tackle, and he was excellent, that is rare. You're not moving Quentin Nelson to left tackle, are you? I mean, the great guards in this league don't play tackle. I keep trying. So, yeah. Do you want to go to defense now? This is difficult. We'll do the defensive front. 7. Chiefs or Eagles? We know Chris Jones leave the Chiefs, but the Eagles with Jalen Carter, Zach Vaughn. This is a tough one, Colin. Who you got? I like Kansas City. Oh, come on. I think this is...

What? I think this is the part of the Chiefs that is really overlooked. First of all, Chris Jones can move anywhere on the defensive lines. George Karloftus, three sacks and a couple playoff games. And he's also a playmaker. You can put Nick Bolton in the box. I think Kansas City is the best tackling team. I also think these guys have now played together several years. They are, spags can dial up exotics, shifts.

I think this defensive front for Kansas City is the secret sauce. You start looking at them against Houston, Buffalo, Baltimore, in key situational spots, Red Zone. They rise to the occasion. By the way, Eagles went into Baltimore and smashed the Ravens, just pointing that out. First disagreement.

Anyways, now let's go to the secondary. This is also difficult chiefs led by McDuffie or the Eagles who have a bunch of young guys, but man, that's a no-fly zone. Okay, but I'm going to take Trent McDuffie. Listen, the Eagles have two rookie D.Bs in the biggest sporting event in America. I think that with Andy Reed having a couple of weeks to prepare, they're going to put in stuff to make those rookie corners of Philadelphia, make choices, in big spots, in congested areas. So I think Kansas City's secondary will play better than Philadelphia's,

though I would argue overall against most teams, Philadelphia's appears better. Yeah, I gotta be honest, that's a shocker. I think the Internet's gonna have fun with that one. And finally, let's go to special teams and the kicker, Harrison Butker, who has been on an absolute heater,

hasn't missed a field goal in the playoffs since the last Super Bowl against the Eagles. 15 for 15. Jake Elliott, who is much maligned in Philly right now, shall we say. Yeah, this is an easy one. If it comes down to field goals, Kansas City is going to win going away, Harrison Butker. Listen, the only one that, listen, I think the Chief's defensive front is wildly underrated, and because Jalen Carter is a new phenomenon, and he's not 100 percent. He's been sick all week. I think Chris Jones in these big spots has an Aaron Donald quality. He just plays,

and I'll say this, between Mahalms, Chris Jones, Jones and Travis Kelsey. They're just better in these games. They play above themselves, and without playing above themselves, they're Hall of Fame-level players. And I think you have your pick next hour. We have Julian Edelman and your pick. Let's just say you and I disagree significantly on the game, Colin. You think Philadelphia's defense is much better than Kansas City's, and I think Kansas City's defense is sneaky good. I'll have some good numbers for you, Quinion Mitchell, the young quarterback. I mean, what he's did against

scary Terry McLaurin and two matchups against Puka Nakua this year, I mean, he's a lockdown defender. He'd take away one of your stars. Hollywood Brown, D. Hop. Xavier, Worthy. Well, Worthy scares me, because I told you I bet his prop. You can move him around.

He's a chess piece. He's going to be all over the place. I think I'm going to go Eagles here, Colin. I think, we'll see. So I still contend this is going to look like the Brady New England, Russell. Wilson, Pete Carroll, Marshawn Lynch, Super Bowl, where the better overall roster, Seattle loses late on a situational play by New England's defense. I think the head coach and the quarterback clearly are edges to Kansas City, and I think

it's a close game. Listen, Kansas City doesn't lose close games, and it's not going to be a blowout. So Brandon Ingram, do we know if he's playing yet for Philadelphia? Brandon Graham. Graham, excuse me. I'm sorry. You're thinking. Brandon Ingram just got moved in the NBA.

He just got shipped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't know still if he's been activated off the IR or not, but the depth on that defensive line is going to be a major problem. And this whole Chris Jones thing coming. You really think Chris Jones is going to manhandle Milata? Have you seen that guy? You can move him off Malada.

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