The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - QB, NBA

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

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That first hour flew by Ryan Day, Ohio State football coach, joining us. That was great stuff. We're going to have a great guest here in about three minutes. It's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. I heart radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I went out last night with my buddy Will Blackman, ran into Al Michaels. So funny. You're sitting there having, Will Blackman and I are sitting there having, he likes wine.

He's a Somali. Yes. And I'm having a cocktail. just one, need total clarity. And so I'm about ready to call Uber. And Al Michaels walks in, the voice of America. And I'm like, there's how Mike. Will Blackman was like a kid.

And it was his childhood idol. I had to put him back in his chair. I got to get a selfie with Al Michaels. I'm like, who you sit next to, but of Erica's honesty broker? I was pretty starstruck when we had Al Michaels in here, too. You know, he's called a few games. He's a pretty big deal.

Pretty big deal. You're very Hollywood these days. Listen, two days ago I went into a building. I would have laughed at people who went into it my entire life and then I was in it. And then last night, I'm with a wine, Somalié and Al Michaels. It's a pretty big deal. I mean, I think you should lean into it. We are here in L.A.

It was your New Year's resolution, not resolution, your new mantra to say yes to things. Oh, that's right. Colin, how do I know that more than you do? That is right. That was my New Year's mantra. say yes more often. Yeah, mine must be more disciplined. How's that going?

It's moderate. We're still working on it. So I was defending James Harden. So when James Harden went to Philly, I said, this is going to work. It's going to work fast. They're going to get to the Eastern Conference finals. I don't know if they can beat Phoenix. I watched Phoenix again last night without Devin Booker and without Chris Paul.

Phoenix is so good. Phoenix is so good. There's so much fun to watch. Man, they're going to 1,000 miles an hour. And so Hardin's come out and he's crushed. Now, two of them are against the Knicks. One against the T-Wolves, let's not go crazy, but he's joyful, he's distributing. And this thing is, as fans, fan is short for fanatic.

I understand you're emotional. Your emotion, I go to basketball games and football games. I've never once booed in my life. I've never sat down as an adult and gone, boo! Never made those sounds. I don't cheer. So you could not have a stadium of me. I go, fingers crossed, cocktail, and analyze the game.

I'd be a terrible fan. I literally, you could win the championship, and I, you could win the championship, and I, you it would be silent. Fans should be emotional. The downside of the emotion is you go crazy and I don't like this guy and it clouds your vision. A lot of people don't like James Harden because of what he did in Houston, what he did in Brooklyn, blah, blah, blah. Dude is great. So here's what I care about when it comes to a guy with a ball in his hands in the NBA.

Do you get to the playoffs? I don't care that you win regular season games. Do you get to the playoffs? 12 playoff appearances in 12 years. He has 100% hit rate on his. team getting to the playoffs, 25 a night, seven assists, and 44% shooting. So I get, and by the way, that assist per game number is going to go up. He'll get closer to eight if he stays in Philly for four years because he's really developed

that as part of his game. He's a much better distributor today than he was five years ago. He's grown, adapted, and evolved. So we always do this blind resume game with NFL guys. And I said, let's do blind resume. Okay, so blind resume for the radio audience. So this player averages less points, less assists, fewer assists, shoot slightly better from the field,

but only get you to the playoffs 50% of the time. Who's that guy? Let's see. Oh. That's Steph Curry. You like produce? I like them apples. All right.

Let's do it again. Let's go James Harden, who I'm defending all the time. You don't like him, but I keep defending him. So this guy averages a little more, fewer assists, doesn't shoot quite as good again. Playoff appearance percentage, less than 60. Who's this great player? Who's this bum? It's Mr. First Belt Hall of Fame or Alan Iverson,

who anytime I criticize him, you're all over me. That guy's pretty good. That's funny. Let's go to another guy because you don't like James Hardin, and I told you this thing in Philadelphia was going to be money, and it was going to be money day one. When he's engaged, he's unbelievable. He's Kobe offensively.

So this guy averages way less, way fewer assists. He shoots a little higher percentage. He's pretty good, but he's not nearly James Harden getting you to the playoffs. Who's that stiff? That's Dwayne Wade. Who has Pat Riley, Eric Spolstra, Mickey Erison. Let me want to do one more? It's funny.

James Hardin is no good. I don't want James Hardin. This guy's no good. He's bum. All right. This guy averages a little more. Assists are the same. A little better free throw field goal percentage shooter.

playoffs not as high as James who's this who's this stiff oh the logo why don't we just make James Hardin the logo it's funny in it right you don't like James Hardin Uncle Colin like James Harden uncle Colin told you they're going to get to these in conference finals this Brooklyn thing's a bunch of nonsense this thing's going to work got we got one more oh there's an er guy okay this this stiff averages 25 a game not nearly as good a passer as James. They shoot the same percentage, and he's not quite as reliable getting into the playoffs. Who's that bum?

I love your emotion, but you guys are loony tunes if you don't think James Hardin's unbelievable. He's an unbelievable talent. Well, I don't like the way he does. Gets the playoffs every year. Well, I don't like the way. 26 a game. Seven assists.

44 from the floor. You don't have to love him. I just put like five of the best guards of all time. numbers stack up great. And by the way, unlike Steph Curry, he hasn't had like, you know, that kind of cultural dominance. Like Warriors are maybe the best run franchise in the league for a decade. He's in Brooklyn. I mean, come on.

You've got to be fair about this. I love your emotion. You've got to be fair. James Harden is, and I would say this about James. He drove me nuts his first three, four years in the league. I think he's evolved. I think he's a much better distributor now. He's a much better teammate.

With that, we bring in the guy who played 9. years in the NBA. He could be a broadcaster if he wants. Real sharp, real funny. Chandler Parsons, Rockets, Gris, Mavs, Hawks, former second rounder out of Florida. Are you, now, in Gainesville, I've been to more than once. Gainville, that's a good time. Gainesville's a good time. Gainesville is a fantastic time. So my first, one of my first jobs out of college, I got a job in Florida. Lon Kruger was there. And they had Dwayne Shinsius, and they had a couple of good guards. And they end up going, I think, to the final four. I covered them. And they were a football school. And I remember like they told me as a sports reporter and they said,

go cover the Gator basketball team. I'm like, they don't play basketball at this school. And I looked up and it was like they were great. Remember that? And by the way, there's an argument to be made, not to bore everybody. The last great college basketball team, back to back, Billie Donovan. 06, 07, yeah. Brought everybody back.

That was Ron Brewerer's on that team. Corey Brewer. Cory Brewer. Joe Keme Noah, Al Horford. That is a great college basketball team. Yeah. So let's talk a little NBA. So I said this about Miami.

You've been in this league long enough. There are teams that are built for the regular season, and I compare the Miami Heat this year to Utah. Great coach. They play defense, deep bench. But the NBA comes down to who's got the best to get a bucket guys. And it's like, I like Jimmy Butler, but he's better. To me, he's an athlete, gives you 20 a night.

He's not a great get a bucket guy, like a Kauai, like a LeBron, like a Steph. And I look at Miami and I'm like, I know they're a number one seed. But Philadelphia gives me harden and Embed. those are two of the four best get a bucket guys so I don't know I just I have a hard time buying into Miami what do you like about them or not I like them I think first of all then

like you said they're the number one seed and their top four guys haven't really played much together this year right but in their half court offense they don't really have it they got guys like Tyler Hero that have to create for them and get a bucket Jimmy and that's not really their role right so I think they've had a great year I think they're starting to get fully healthy I think they're going to start meshing

but championship contender, I just, for whatever reason, I'm not buying it. What do you make of my fascination with Hardin, who I didn't love early, but I think he's really, I mean, my eyes tell me he's a better teammate now than he was six years ago. I'll tell you this. I play with James for two years in Houston, the time with the era you didn't like him. I have my best year ever with him. I average close to 18 points a game with him, and that was strictly off the attention that he got, right?

So he does his ISO thing, you know, he lulls the defense to sleep. I would just stand on the other end of the court. He would low my defender's sleep. He'd kick it to me. I'd either catch and go, shoot the three, or do my little shot fake and get in the paint. But to him, for him, I think he's very unselfish. I think he kind of gets a bad rep just because all the, you know, forcing trades doing all this. But like you said, he's a very willing passer.

He's an unbelievable score, probably one of the best ISO scores of all time. No, he's like he's in that Kobe Bryant efficiency. And like you said, you need that. You need game on the line. You need someone like James Harden to go get you a bucket, to get to the foul line. And he does that at an elite, elite level. And like I said, personally, dude's a great guy, great teammate. And like every star, you've got to deal with some stuff, right?

He's not going to practice every day. He's not going to do everything that everyone else does. That's right. But he's giving you 40 and 10 and 7 the next night, and you just learn to live with that. Listen, Clyde Drexler was not a good practice player. Barkley didn't like to practice. Iverson wasn't a big practice guy. Yeah. It's a, you know, it is funny about this. We forget this. It's 82 games. It is a, and it's a winter league. So you get off that plane in Milwaukee, and then you get on a van and then you go to a hotel and then you, you know, when you start looking at the NBA right now, and I want to talk about the Lakers because they're obviously very, very popular.

LeBron plays well with virtually everybody. Westbrook doesn't play well almost with anybody. But give me the first time you were on the floor with LeBron James, the first time, and as a basketball guy, you're a guy that knows a sport. Your first interpretations of what you were watching. Just wow. I mean, he's a, first of all, he's a physical specimen, right?

There's NBA players, and then there's guys like LeBron where he's just, he's 6, 8, he's 270, he's straight yoked, and he can do it all. He sees the floor. He's a willing passer. He can get you a bucket. In my eyes, he's the best player of all time. Like, I think he is just, he's the new generation, the best resources, fastest, strongest basketball player of all time.

And so when you go against him, just, you just try and honestly limit his touches, be as physical as you can with him, which is tough because he's more physical than anyone that's guarding him. I was like 220, 225. So, yeah, like there's, it's like, again, you just try and deny him the ball. You try and make him hit tough shots. and just hope he settles, honestly. Yeah, I remember seeing him years ago in Miami. I think you worked in Miami, Joey.

I went to a heat game, and it was a really interesting game. They were blowing somebody out. It was a clippers. They were blowing the clippers out. It was like 10 years ago. And Karan Butler's a heck of a player. I think it was Karan, came out to guard him. And LeBron scored on him three straight times.

And he did a let... This was when LeBron was really in Miami coming into his prime. He did a left-hander off the glass. And Karan was on him like a glove. And I had turned to... I think it was Anne, I turned to it. I was like, that's, that's, that, nobody, people can't do that. It's, it's the shots like that, though, that you just have to live with when you guard him.

You want him to have to take the lefty running hooks or the fade away one-leg jumpers. Those are the ones that you're okay with. It's the blowby, the easy buckets that you want to limit for a guy like LeBron. I said this this week. It got some blowback, and you were in Memphis for three years. They love their hoops. That John Morant's obviously remarkable. But I did see Derek Rose, who was remarkable and took the league over.

I mean, it's all we talked about for two years. When young, and he's only 174 pounds, D. Rose was 200, Westbrook's 200. So he's 174 pounds. There's no handcheck. He can't stay in front of him. He leads the NBA in paint scoring. And my takeaway is, these guys down lower big. That floor is hard.

I said, I know he's great. I worry about sustaining it. I saw a wall fall apart. John's not a great shooter. Rose wasn't a great shooter. Westbrook started getting hurt in year six. But if you don't shoot, if you're not a natural shooter, like a Steph Curry, Dame. You've got to score at the basket.

When I watch John, I'm like, how long can he be jumping over Biggs? What do you make of it? I mean, that's a question that nobody really has the answer to, right? I think you look at a guy like him, and he's 21, 22 years old, and he is leading the Memphis Grizzlies to a home court advantage playoff series. He must see TV. And yeah, I see your point that he's not exactly, he can't really shoot from the outside, but for him to be doing what he's doing with,

doing that yet he's had some bumps and bruises he's going to miss some time that comes with the long grinding NBA season but I think he's the best thing that's ever happened to Memphis I think he's done an unbelievable job and with injuries like that you can't predict him right no one can ever see him coming he's always going to add strength in the weight room he's always going to work hard he's always going to hopefully do the right things meal plan all this stuff to keep continuing to get bulk on him but I mean it's hard to criticize a guy like him with watching what he's doing And with that team, with, you know, Sharon Jackson, who I think is fantastic. But then we start talking Desmond Bain, Dylan Brooks is a third best player on a team as the number three seed in the West.

Pretty good. That's nuts. You know, it used to be that international players, there were very few, they were very finesse and highly skilled. The domestic player, the D. Wade was a tough guy. Our guys were tough guys. the international guys were known as lean they go to those academies they're highly skilled you can push them around Tony Coochooch great player but you can push them around

and all of a sudden the international game our guys get more skilled because they see that so our guys are getting more skilled and the international guys are getting tougher and then here comes Luca he's like 19 years old and I remember thinking he doesn't look super athletic he's kind of puffy

and then all of a sudden I watched him his first year I'm like, dude, that's just six, seven and a half of elbows. And were you, he feels like he is the next wave of international players, where he's got a chip on his shoulder. He's physical. Yokic has some of this too. Like, I didn't feel like the international game gave us Yokic and Luca 20 years ago. First time you're on the floor with Luca, your thoughts about him as a player and international players as a whole.

So, Luca is, you know, if I'm taking one player from now, of the future. It's Luca Donkich. I think he's the best player in the NBA. I think with what he's done at his age is incredible, right? And it's when you see him, I never got a chance to play against him, but I've been around him. He's huge, and he can't be sped up. Whether you put a Patrick Beverly on him or a Kawhi Leonard, he does what he wants, he gets where he wants, he holds him off in the pick and roll. He's got the ISO step back three. He's a willing passer. They've done a great job putting shooters and lob threats around him that make him even better. And yeah, I think when you look at his body, you're like, you know, he's a little pudgy.

He's a kid. And so imagine him on a meal plan in the wait room. He's doing this without any of that. So, I mean, I think he's spectacular. I think he's, you know, he's destined for greatness. And I think he's the best player in the NBA. Yeah. And he's got just an array of shots.

Yeah, he talks. He's tough. He's barking. I mean, he's almost barking at the refs too much. But he's getting his guys going. he's getting everybody involved. You know, it's really interesting, Chandler. I heard some, a GM say this years ago.

The international players 20 years ago felt like visitors. Yeah. So they would come into our game and be like very respectful. They would never like demand a trade. It was like, I'm visiting. Lucas is like, no, this is my place. Oh, he's took over quick. Like it is his team.

It's his league. He is, he's unbelievable. And I honestly make, I looked them to make a good run in the playoffs this year. I just think he's special, man. I think he can do it all. I think I love the trade for them. I love Denwitty. Yeah.

You know, I love the system. Does Spencer need the ball too much, though? You know what? I think he's a great option. Guys like Luca, they can do everything, but they need those second and third players to relieve pressure. And when Luca gets in foul trouble, where he goes out, you need the Spencer Denwitties of the world to go and get a bucket like we were talking about.

Chandler Parsons is joining us. The Zion Williams situation is interesting. I loved him. I talked to two general managers who said, listen, I would take him number one, knowing weight could be an issue, and this kid ripped through shoes. What's he going to do to tenants? I want us to remember this. He literally was breaking Wilts Chamberlain's records when he played. His first year on the floor was like, I mean, literally you could tell, people just didn't want to take a charge.

People didn't want to get in front of him. I don't even know who to compare him to. When you watched him, was there a comp when you said, oh, he's going to be blank? I'll say this. Four or five years ago, we're watching him play at Duke. And one of this very, very, very smart, brilliant trainer, doctor, I know, we're watching Duke play. And it's doing the game when he bust through the shoe, right?

And he's saying, just speaking in anatomy terms, there's no way this dude can continue to do this with that athleticism, with that weight, with that body. He's not going to be able to last, and it's going to be a real issue. And it's sad because you see the production he has when he's playing. He's a top 10 player in the NBA. But I mean, he's missing a lot of time and it's a real concern. Do I think New Orleans trades him? Absolutely not.

I think he's a franchise player and I think they need to find ways to get him, you know, on the floor. Not a lot of guys are picking New Orleans and free agency. Not a lot of guys are choosing to go there. But you see what they're doing now with CJ and Brandon Ingram. They're starting to look like a team. So you throw in a healthy Zion in the mix, then all of a sudden there's something to talk about. But it's a shame because Zion is this extreme talent. We're just not seeing enough of them.

Chandler Parsons is joining us. So when you did a Kobe story the other day, and I don't want a gravy train on it because it was up in smoke with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson, so I don't want to take away all the Kobe stuff. You told a hysterical Kobe story. And you've already told it on that platform, so I want people to go to that platform and listen.

I don't want to steal that story. But it is Shaq at Kobe's funeral was hysterical telling Kobe stories. And Kobe was a very complex balance of the most confident person ever, but an incredibly cool guy to young guys. And I say this respectfully, respectfully as a pro athlete, was Kobe the most intimidating player to ever be on the court with? Because when I look at Kobe, I'm like, I saw a dude shrink around Kobe. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you look at guys like him and Kobe and KG come to my mind. KG is just like, you know, he's a nut talking to himself screaming. He can be a little intimidating on the court as well. Do you remember the first time

you had to guard him? Oh my gosh. Yeah. He's just he just he probably talks the most trash of anyone I've ever played against. And like I said, he's just he's talking to himself. He's screaming. He's getting the crowd riled up. He's just, he takes you out of your game just from what he's saying. Kobe on the other hand, you just see Kobe. Kobe's a killer on the court, right? He's when I guarded Kobe, he took that personal. He was, he was offended that I was guarding him. You were good enough to guard him. Like who is this kid guarding me, like, no chance. Like, he's almost looking for the double team coming, like, when I'm guarding him. And I hope that's, I don't think that was just me. I think that was honestly the approach and the mindset he had, whoever was guarding him. Now, he talked too.

He talked so much too, but honestly, he was more like a sarcastic, like, uh, you know, like I'd shoot an air ball and he'd hit me on the butt and say, good shot on the way back down. He was almost like a classier trash talker. You know what I mean? Yeah, he was, he was not as brutal as like a Kevin Garnett. When, you know, I say this, when you look at your NBA career, it's nine years in the NBA, if you could tell any young person coming into the draft, if you say to that, because you were a dominant, like, best player in the state, your dominant college player, and you had a very good NBA career, we have the NFL Combines, the NFL drafts coming up.

So what would you, give me, give me a couple pieces of advice that you would tell a young person, because now they're coming in, you guys are coming in at 19. Right. just think about how college basketball years ago. Patrick Ewing came back like three years at Georgetown. Duncan. Now it's like the idea of staying a second year as a dominant big, it makes no sense at all, right?

Give me a couple things you'd tell young kids. Yeah, and I stayed all four years. So my process took a lot longer to get there. But I just think just to embrace it every single day, right? The things that you don't enjoy throughout that whole process, the shootarounds, the practices, the long film sessions, training camp, as a guy that's been out of the league now for two years, that's the stuff I miss.

I miss the flights. I miss the locker room banter. All that little stuff that goes into the games, which is obviously, you know, that's the prize. All that stuff is what I miss the most. So I think it just truly flies by, man. And like, you never know when it's going to end, especially with injuries and with everything that's happening.

You never know when your time's up. And so just really just work as hard as you can and enjoy it because it really, it flies by like that. I could take you, we could go an hour. Okay, I'm going to ask you a series of questions. Okay. Looking for individual answers. Most underrated player in your decade in the league that didn't get loved,

but you thought he was a dog and a pain in the butt. Most underrated player. I got to go with Mike Connolly. Until last year, as an All-Star, finally got in as a replacement. He was the head of the snake on those grit and grind teams. He's just the best teammate, heck of a player. Super smart. Great smart guy.

I think he's always just kind of been in the shadows, and he's had a heck of a career. Strongest guy, a guy that physically, okay, let's take LeBron out, but a guy physically that you couldn't match up with him, just too much. In the decade? Yeah.

Do you remember Peckovitch from the Timberwolves? Nikolai Peckovic? Yes, yes, why? Can't move the guy. The strongest guy ever, the hardest screens I've ever tried to fight over, he was by far the strongest dude I have ever played against. Never tried to get through a Paul Millsap screen?

Yep, he's a good one too. Oh yeah, yeah, he is country strong. Who was the coach that made you the better version of yourself? I would say J.B. Bickerstaff. He was my assistant in Houston when McHale was the head coach. And he was always just, he was the player developed. guy, but he was also the offensive guy, but he was the cool young coach

who could relate to the players, but he also he had respect, J.B., I think, and you see what he's doing now in Cleveland. I think he's the coach of the year with what he's doing with that roster. It's a bunch of kids. They're terrific. I think he's the coach of the year. So I think just him, you know, the way he can personally relate to you, good times, bad

times, he's always in your ear. He was by far my favorite coach I ever had. Underrated, most underrated travel city, the place that you went to, and you're like, oh God, they got great food. They got good walking. Okay. Most underrated. You know what? I like Minneapolis. It's cold. If you can if you can take away the, you know, that, which you really can't. But great, great food, though, great people. I had a really good time in Minnesota. Is it different playing in New York?

You hear like the MJs and the Kobe's. And we said this before. When I watch the garden, they're so expressive. You can see their faces. They feel like they're closer to the floor. What is it like to play in New York? As a basketball player, just, you know, the garden is the mecca, right? That's the most famous arena. That's where it's, it was my favorite place to play. It's just that atmosphere they create all the celebrities there, the Knicks, the fans, the New Yorkers talking all the trash. That to me is just like, you know, it's different.

If you have 30 in Cleveland and you have 30 in the garden, it just hits harder, you know what I mean? It's a different 30. every time I go to an NBA game if I get good seats I always think it's funny how often players talk they'll talk to you now obviously I'm on TV

but you know you see a bunch of people there is something about being in the NBA it's the second quarter you lead by 11 do you ever get in the conversations with people? No doubt I was a big talker I think you know especially because when things are going well you're kind of instigating the talking

but then when you're playing bad or you have an awful shot or something like that then the fans are chirping and I think it's good I think it's fun You know, they're there. They're paying a lot of money to sit there and watch you play. I think, you know, a casual, funny interaction just makes the game better. It makes the sport better. All right, Chandler Parsons, you're going to have, you can do whatever you want now in your career. I think you're going to be fantastic.

And what a pleasure. They told me today you were coming in studio. You know, this COVID thing. We haven't had many studio guests. So this has been absolutely fantastic. And we take a break, right? Yes. I always forget if I'm in my break time or I go to joy.

Chandler, thank you so much for stopping by. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream,

This is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jek. And I'm Alex English. We pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more. important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for

black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross,

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I think that was just great. So I didn't want to, I want you to steal the late Kobe story. The story wasn't late Kobe Bryant had a story. I don't want to steal that. It's on somebody else's platform. It's fantastic. He's very funny. And it's the essence of Kobe.

It's kind of the coolness of Kobe. So Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Jimmy Garabolo is going to have shoulder surgery this off season. And it will reportedly keep him out for about four months. Seems huge to me. Could affect his trade value.

I can't trade for. I'm done. I can't do it. I mean, look, injuries are just a part of Jimmy Garapolo's story. It's part of his deal. But John Litch isn't too worried. I never like saying minor when someone's having surgery, but it's a capsule issue in the back of his shoulder that you can, you know,

you try to rehab, but if it doesn't get well with the rehab, then you go to the alternative route. And that's what they've decided to do. it's going to take some time, but he's going to be fine. You know, we're so fond of Jimmy and, you know, that situation's active. It's fluid. You know, you're here. A lot of teams have interest in him.

I mean, Jimmy Garapolo has had a lot of injuries. That's just a part of his story. He missed two games with the shoulder strain in 2016, then a torn ACL in 2018, sprained ankle in 2020. You know, I like him. I've defended him for years. Yeah, I'm much higher. and Jimmy Garoppolo than most people are. Certainly more than Niners fans are.

But, you know, availability is a skill. There's no question. I would generally lean towards taking a guy that has slightly less talent, but is always available. Yeah, Kirk Cousins. Than someone who is, you know, on the higher end, but you cannot rely on physically. I mean, that's Kirk Cousins.

Kirk's always there. And he, by the way, is talented, but Kirk's always there. Right. And I would think Jimmy Gropolo is a better quarterback than Kirk Cousins. but he's not as available. So, yeah. You have to bounce that in. There's a reason why Tray Lance is there.

If Jimmy Garopp, I firmly believe if Jimmy Garoppolo was not injury prone, Tray Lance would not be in San Francisco. I certainly don't think they would have traded three first round picks. They maybe draft a quarterback. They might have drafted one, but I don't think they would have moved up to get Tray Lance. No, I agree. I agree. If there's never been an injury with him, I totally agree.

I just think it's going to be interesting to see where he ends up because he is injury prone, but he. Look, he wins games. When he's out there, he's winning games. Maybe not in the big moments. He's going to give the other team an opportunity to get back in it. He's going to insist on that. But the quarterback market is light this year.

So I think that it's concerning, but it's also always been a part of his story. So Andrew Barry, the GM of the Browns said this week, he fully expects Baker to be the starter for this year. Yes. Stavansky also stated he has full confidence in Baker this season, but he did not rule out bringing in some competition. I think every day those guys, understand that it's a challenge.

So in terms of the room and those type of things, Tony, I'm not going to get into that necessarily, but I think Baker, all of our players understand that it's a competition. You're getting challenged every single day. They treat every day like a challenge. So I'm comfortable with how that goes. Here's a problem with this. And every year we have a team that has a quarterback competition

and you can just take them out of Super Bowl contention. Yeah, it's not going to work. Just go ahead and move them into the other category. If you don't have a guy, that's what you're doing when you have a Super Bowl, when you have a quarterback competition. There are certain teams where this is not the conversation. Yes, we get it.

You're always challenging yourself. But your position as the starting quarterback of an NFL franchise is only being challenged if you're not good enough to really be the secure starter. Patrick Wilms is not in a quarterback competition. Josh Allen is not being challenged by the other quarterbacks in the room. That's not the situation. Russell Wilson.

them. Like, you can bring in whoever you want to back them up. Mitchell Trubisky was a legitimate starter in the league backed up Josh Allen. Josh Allen's not worried about Mitchell Trubisky beating him out in camp. That's not the situation. So this is where we are with the Browns now. And part of this is because of Baker's injury. But also, I think we have enough evidence that Baker is overall a slightly above average quarterback. Yeah, that's fine.

I think it's reasonable. I think he's right in the average category. I'd put him average. His record is absolutely average. It's like 500. He's a 500 quarterback. And you're dealing with a 500 quarterback who also has. all kinds of other stuff with him.

He's not a guy that's like doing the franchise quarterback thing. So I'm very interested to see who they bring in, if it's somebody that really will challenge him or if they're just going to go with another backup quarterback. So James Hardin made his home debut with the Sixers last night. He had 26 points, nine rebounds, nine assists in the win over the next. It feels so good and so right. He said after the game, it felt great to play in his new city.

I mean, just excited, man. I love the fans just felt like home. You know, I mean. So, I mean, just the love to support, man. Look around and just, you know, we love James. That right there, like, makes me go out there and play harder, and I just want to do whatever it takes to get the win. Oh, listen to that.

It's amazing how warm and cozy it gets after Ws. In Philadelphia, too. I know, all those tough Philadelphia people. Oh, sweet. You know what? I grew up with the Sixers when they had George McGinnis and Caldwell Jones and Steve Mix and Maurice Cheeks and Andrew Tony for years and years they were great and some Dr. J stuff and then they weren't very good for a long time and they were a man and then they had

Iverson and I never really thought they were a championship threat is I I really think this team could win it. I don't know if they can keep up the pace with Phoenix but I this morning Phoenix won Philadelphia two that I really believe that between Maxie Tobias Harris they don't have a great bench that's the one thing you can get away with. You don't have to have a great bench to win the championship. Well, that's what's kind of good about this trade when everything happened

and how it all worked out. At this point in the season, you're just gearing up for the postseason. So having a great bench, like seating, is that really going to matter for the Sixers? Not really. So you can take advantage

of your not great bench or not deep bench right now as the season is. is coming to a close as we're winding it down and then go into the postseason with the rotation that you're going to use in those in those series. I don't think it's an issue. If this was at the beginning of the season, then that might be an issue because you might need to rely on James every single night more than you would.

Look how happy is as a player. Body language says a lot. He's happy. Look, whatever went on in Brooklyn and we'll see how the rest of it plays out. KD is coming back. I think it's a move for next year. There's still a lot of pieces that have to fit. But, I mean, we both said it.

This is something that's going to click right away. It's looking pretty good. Yep. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Good news. Always a downside.

I'll talk about that coming up. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlie. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time,

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win.

Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in

sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it.

And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro.

Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way.

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And he said, man, when I was in Washington, he was telling me about some conversations that he had with Kirk Cousins. I'm not going to give away the private conversations. but Kirk's a nice guy and it was just dysfunction. Ownership, front office, roster, and it's just you just can't overcome it, right? And right now, Washington, there's a story out today. They called the chiefs on Patrick Malhams, the quarterback, they want to find one. There's a downside to everything, and there's a silver lining with everything.

The NFL now, the quarterback play is the best it's ever been. there's more offense than ever. But because of that, the downside is, I've been doing this 25 years. I've never felt like I can eliminate half the league from winning a Super Bowl until now. I've never felt. I always felt like it was a bottom four,

and then there's probably another four. You can take, I was thinking this morning, just on what we're seeing, the cultural shift where you have to have a top quarterback. You don't have to have a great old. line. Bingles proved it. You don't have to be great everywhere. I mean, the linebacking core for the Rams, the safeties were all beat up. It wasn't a, it wasn't, they had holes on their team. These, because of what the games become, in the AFC, which is the better conference right

now, it's the deeper conference, dolphins, jets, brown, Steelers, I don't know who their quarterback is, Jags, Texans, Titans, Broncos. As of now, Broncos got Aaron Rogers, deal, changeer. Those are not Super Bowl teams. And they have a lot of strengths. The Broncos and Steelers have really good rosters. You're not winning in the Super Bowl. You're not winning multiple playoff games. You're not getting out of your division. Would that level of quarterback play? Let's go to the NFC teams have eliminated. Again, bears, bucks,

commanders, eagles, falcons, giants, lions, Panthers, Saints, Vikings. Not good enough at quarterback. Just not good enough. There's four other teams that I don't think will win, but out of respect, the Patriots and the Niners are too well-coached Those young quarterbacks, they just have ways of, they make people better fast. And the Cowboys and the Colts, I think they've drafted well. They got really good offensive lines. They got a lot of good players.

I do not think they would win the Super Bowl. But I think they're, you know, they wouldn't shock you if they won a playoff game. I'm left with 10 teams. That's it. Like that's the downside to what is happening now in the National Football League. And, you know, any time in any business, in any industry, when something becomes super important, you eliminate swaths of people. Give you an example, politics.

It didn't used to be this way. If you're not a millionaire or you don't have the backing of a millionaire, a hundred millionaire or a billionaire, you can't be president. You can't, the television ads are so expensive. Radio, newspaper, especially television ads, are so expensive now. It just eliminates 95% of the people. You cannot be president. Good luck being a governor in a state with people.

Florida, Texas, New York, California. You can't be a governor in those states unless you have $100 million behind you. And I don't necessarily think it's good for politics to have the rich people running for office. I think we need to find somebody who's maybe not been a trust fund kid or not a billionaire. I don't think that's what we want representing the overwhelming majority of America. So if you don't have money now, you can't get the big offices, the big federal offices, can't get it. And I think in the NFL now, there's 10 teams. I'm thinking off the top of my head.

You know, Buffalo, yes, Baltimore, yes, Cincinnati's proven with Burrow. You know, Kansas City, I would put the Raiders in there, actually, because they have a legitimate top 10, 12 quarterback. But it's just taking people out. Just can't do it. Can't compete. And so, you know, it's funny sometimes. You know, in college football, we tend to believe that you have to be a big school. To really compete.

I mean, Ohio State, a lot of money. Oklahoma, a lot of money, Notre Dame, a lot of money. There was a brief bit of time when Chip Kelly invented that fast offense for about four years, and you're like, Oregon's blowing everybody out. But once again, football tends to be a copycat sport. Everybody caught up to Oregon and Chip Kelly. and now they're back to being really good, but I don't think they're a national championship team.

And so, you know, and this is why in sports, all these leagues are trying to create parity. Nobody wants a team to dominate. It's very difficult. Football now is moving into an NBA field where it's like if you don't have two stars in the NBA, you're not on the championship. Now, it's understood.

A lot of teams do have two stars. There are a lot of teams with a lot of good players. But in the NFL now, it is, it is. And it's really in the last two years, Like, it is obvious. When you're literally getting rid of Jared Goff who got you to a Super Bowl. And the smartest young offensive coach goes, oh, no, no, no. And Goff was moving into his prime.

No, we're going to do better than that. That's telling you what's happening in the league. That is telling you that, you know, people are like, you just got to get that guy right. Rams had the best defense at Aaron Donald. They had this, they had that. We just weren't special at quarterback. So it is, I've never felt like that in all the years I've done this for a living. but I just eliminated all but 10 teams.

Now, again, Denver lands somebody, Pittsburgh lands Rogers. We'll have a different conversation. But today, that's how I feel. Hour three, we'll go back to the Combine with Charles Davis. Good to have you in. Thursday. Live in L.A. It's the herd.

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast is. Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away,

such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to bowl your mind on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.